Ex-Premie Forum 7 Archive
From: Sep 01, 2001 To: Sep 08, 2001 Page: 2 of: 5


Glasser, channeling Goober -:- Premies: Scurry like Rats from these Forums!!! -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 18:36:41 (EDT)
__ cq -:- This is what Glasser says: -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 08:00:06 (EDT)
__ __ Chuck S. -:- Bravado masking fearfulness... -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 14:25:47 (EDT)
__ __ Lady Charlene Glasserly -:- You People..... -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 13:35:06 (EDT)
__ __ Jim -:- It's a little early for the champagne, Glasser -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 13:14:23 (EDT)
__ Tim Matheson -:- My fellow Premies, ignore the advice of Charles -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 07:00:59 (EDT)
__ __ salsa -:- no CHIT or DECEIPT -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 09:15:18 (EDT)
__ silvia -:- Re: Premies: Scurry like Rats from these Forums!!! -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 20:49:21 (EDT)
__ __ Sorry Silvertongue but -:- Premies ARE stopping posting on the forums -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 02:18:32 (EDT)
__ __ __ Francesca :C) -:- I would love it if the premies ... -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 16:48:42 (EDT)
__ __ __ Joe -:- Not Posting does not equal 'not around' -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 12:46:15 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Re: Not Posting does not equal 'not around' -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 13:36:35 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ A S Fisher -:- Not Posting does not mean that -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 18:10:36 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ The Psychiatric Panel -:- Glasser has problems -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 14:00:59 (EDT)
__ __ __ witheld -:- WHO CARES? This is an ex-premie forum! [nt] -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 11:04:01 (EDT)
__ __ __ Steve -:- Re: Premies ARE stopping posting on the forums -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 03:10:48 (EDT)
__ __ __ silvia -:- Sorry for u -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 02:33:51 (EDT)
__ __ Rick -:- Re: Premies: Scurry like Rats from these Forums!!! -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 21:11:36 (EDT)
__ janet -:- weird-i cant read it or -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 19:46:07 (EDT)
__ __ So can you hear -:- the laughter alright already? -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 02:22:04 (EDT)
__ __ Rick -:- Re: weird-i cant read it or -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 21:12:54 (EDT)

Joe -:- EXTRA... Most Popular Maharaji Websites!!! -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 18:16:33 (EDT)
__ __ Rick -:- Re: EXTRA... Most Popular Maharaji Websites!!! -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 11:42:10 (EDT)
__ Facts Not Fiction -:- WRONG -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 20:09:31 (EDT)
__ __ Joe -:- No DIMBO you have to search for POPULAR -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 20:12:43 (EDT)
__ __ __ Just wondering -:- Re: No DIMBO you have to search for POPULAR -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 22:30:06 (EDT)
__ __ __ testing -:- ignore this post -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 15:17:22 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Joe -:- Re: No DIMBO you have to search for POPULAR -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 02:04:18 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ salam -:- Re: No DIMBO you have to search for POPULAR -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 23:05:54 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Just wondering -:- Re: No DIMBO you have to search for POPULAR -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 00:22:21 (EDT)
__ JHB -:- Other Results -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 19:14:33 (EDT)
__ __ Joe -:- Yeah, I was going to complain to Google, too -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 20:13:18 (EDT)
__ Rick -:- Re: EXTRA... Most Popular Maharaji Websites!!! -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 18:33:05 (EDT)
__ __ Joe -:- Re: EXTRA... Most Popular Maharaji Websites!!! -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 18:56:30 (EDT)
__ __ __ Joe -:- Wow M must be pissed! -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 18:58:58 (EDT)
__ Deborah -:- Re: EXTRA... Most Popular Maharaji Websites!!! -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 18:20:32 (EDT)

salam -:- fakiranand news -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 12:53:32 (EDT)
__ Francesca :C) -:- Here's the article -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 13:22:13 (EDT)
__ __ janet -:- he was in norwalk CA -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 19:41:43 (EDT)
__ __ JHB -:- Heyji! Read this bit! -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 13:45:44 (EDT)
__ __ Joe -:- Can't Fakiranand be arrested? -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 13:34:23 (EDT)
__ __ __ guyiti -:- Re: Can't Fakiranand be arrested? -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 08:20:01 (EDT)
__ __ __ janet -:- joe-see my post above -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 19:42:54 (EDT)

cq -:- Does M now think his father was deluded? -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 12:43:27 (EDT)
__ silvia -:- Of course he does -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 15:02:34 (EDT)
__ __ cq -:- Re: Of course he does -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 05:13:36 (EDT)
__ __ __ silvia -:- Never question the MASTER -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 09:19:35 (EDT)

__ __ Cynthia -:- Re: FA -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 11:15:15 (EDT)
__ __ __ Big Powerful FA -:- Djuro the Worm -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 11:21:16 (EDT)

Who will be -:- the next satguru...poll... -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 01:26:06 (EDT)
__ Bob D -:- Re: the next satguru...poll... -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 10:47:05 (EDT)
__ silvia -:- DAYA NT -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 02:08:55 (EDT)
__ I nominate -:- Bill Clinton -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 19:23:30 (EDT)
__ such -:- Nobody! [nt] -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 18:24:29 (EDT)
__ Deborah -:- Monica? [nt] -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 18:22:10 (EDT)
__ Richard -:- SHRI SHRI ICHIRO !!!! -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 13:02:28 (EDT)
__ Either -:- Wadi Sue or Charles Glasser (nt) -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 11:13:29 (EDT)
__ janet -:- Re: the next satguru-my thoughts -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 06:46:41 (EDT)
__ __ janet -:- sorry-corrected text, no typos -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 19:31:11 (EDT)
__ __ Famous person's maid(deceased) -:- How come the boss still gets.. -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 13:29:31 (EDT)
__ Maybe He'll just sell the business -:- and waddle off into the sunset [nt] -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 06:25:28 (EDT)
__ Salam -:- Re: the next satguru...poll... -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 03:15:43 (EDT)
__ __ Chelaji on the Path -:- You mean you're NOT Guru Nerdji Salamji?!!! -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 19:36:43 (EDT)
__ __ __ salam -:- Re: You mean you're NOT Guru Nerdji Salamji?!!! -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 23:07:48 (EDT)
__ btdt -:- Re: the next satguru...poll... -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 02:47:06 (EDT)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Definitely Premlata.... -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 11:11:35 (EDT)
__ __ __ Brian Smith -:- SPEECH !!! what ever happened -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 19:34:18 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Yup... -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 11:04:30 (EDT)
__ __ janet -:- i predict a split -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 07:10:49 (EDT)
__ Steve -:- Norman Higginbottom from Scunthorpe nt... -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 01:34:27 (EDT)
__ __ cq -:- How about Jeffrey Archer? (nt) -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 06:18:36 (EDT)

Rick -:- OT - Is this a cult? Anyone know? -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 20:38:03 (EDT)
__ such -:- oh,dassa dragon lady massa Chinga Hai -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 18:33:51 (EDT)
__ Vidal Sasoon -:- Don't you LOVE her blonde hair? -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 11:42:16 (EDT)
__ __ Brian Smith -:- I hear Goober likes Blondes -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 19:05:50 (EDT)
__ __ Rick -:- Re: Don't you LOVE her blonde hair? -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 13:15:32 (EDT)
__ Sounds like perfectly -:- normal behavior to me.. [nt] -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 08:17:30 (EDT)
__ Cynthia -:- It's on The Rick Ross Site... -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 20:54:20 (EDT)
__ __ Rick -:- Thanks Cynthia, appreciate it (NT) -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 21:11:15 (EDT)
__ Bob -:- Re: OT - Is this a cult? Anyone know? -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 20:43:10 (EDT)
__ __ Sound Familiar? -:- An Excerpt -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 01:52:11 (EDT)
__ __ __ cq -:- Cult? They only drink the Master's bathwater!(nt) -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 06:25:04 (EDT)
__ __ __ btdt -:- Re: An Excerpt -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 02:50:47 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ such -:- oops,da meter peaked above 8 hz [nt] -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 14:04:14 (EDT)
__ __ __ Rick -:- Re: An Excerpt -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 02:38:13 (EDT)

JHB -:- Forum Archives -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 20:14:10 (EDT)
__ salam -:- Re: Forum Archives -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 03:23:36 (EDT)
__ Peg -:- Thank you so much for the work you do on EpO -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 00:46:25 (EDT)
__ __ btdt -:- hey Peg -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 02:59:17 (EDT)
__ __ __ Peg -:- bdtd I wondered where you got to [nt] -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 13:49:19 (EDT)
__ Jean-Michel -:- ***** Best of Forum ***** -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 22:34:39 (EDT)
__ Cynthia -:- Thanks so much... [nt] -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 20:56:22 (EDT)
__ Pat:C) -:- Forum Archives - thanks, John [nt] -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 20:39:08 (EDT)
__ silvia -:- thanks JHB Nt -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 20:28:18 (EDT)

suchabanana -:- da voice roll + other techs -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 18:35:22 (EDT)
__ btdt -:- Re: da voice roll + other techs -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 00:49:03 (EDT)
__ __ janet -:- use your n4eighbors to the max -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 20:04:09 (EDT)
__ janet -:- Re: da voice roll + other techs -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 19:48:20 (EDT)
__ __ LOL Janet, you got -:- dat Simpson preacher down pat! -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 21:07:46 (EDT)
__ __ __ janet -:- he died and came back. -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 06:00:18 (EDT)
__ such -:- link -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 18:39:19 (EDT)

Pat:C) -:- Steve,Carl, Bob,Ham,Joy,La-ex,Such,Janet -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 17:12:15 (EDT)
__ janet -:- sure pat-bout what???? -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 19:49:27 (EDT)
__ __ salam -:- Re: sure pat-bout what???? -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 03:21:17 (EDT)
__ __ Pat:C) -:- sure pat-bout what???? [nt] -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 20:37:40 (EDT)

Da Man -:- Are you brave enough? -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 16:35:36 (EDT)
__ janet -:- im sick of challenges -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 07:18:51 (EDT)

Wendy Miller -:- premie -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 15:50:07 (EDT)
__ janet -:- Re: hey wendy-dont go! -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 19:56:54 (EDT)
__ JHB -:- Re: premie -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 17:55:34 (EDT)
__ __ michael donner -:- Re: premie -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 19:04:13 (EDT)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- Hi! -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 21:24:35 (EDT)

Chuck S. -:- A MUST READ... -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 15:39:01 (EDT)
__ a0aji -:- :: Egg McGuru :: -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 00:12:31 (EDT)
__ __ a0aji -:- Re: :: Egg McGuru :: -:- Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 00:14:08 (EDT)
__ The Creator -:- Just created a new section -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 06:01:03 (EDT)
__ __ RichMandrake -:- Creator, Im Honored but... -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 11:38:41 (EDT)
__ __ __ The Creator -:- You need to BEG AND PRAY -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 12:32:19 (EDT)
__ BTDT -:- Re: A MUST READ... -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 01:01:02 (EDT)
__ Nigel -:- Simply the BEST forum post ever... -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 19:30:26 (EDT)
__ __ Jean-Michel -:- Tagging it *** Best of Forum *** -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 22:41:25 (EDT)
__ silvia -:- WHOW!!! -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 16:56:23 (EDT)
__ Deborah -:- I agree:post this on EPO page -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 16:07:29 (EDT)
__ __ Zelda -:- Re: I agree:post this on EPO page -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 16:27:42 (EDT)
__ __ __ Deborah -:- Re: I agree:post this on EPO page -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 17:21:50 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Zelda -:- Re: I agree:post this on EPO page -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 19:55:51 (EDT)

salam -:- janet -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:24:58 (EDT)
__ salam -:- Re: janet-the secure one?? -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 20:06:20 (EDT)
__ __ janet -:- i posted the above--oops -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 20:13:39 (EDT)
__ __ __ salam -:- yep ,,,,,,,nt -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 03:17:16 (EDT)

Loco -:- Boris is still linking to CAC -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:01:17 (EDT)
__ janet -:- Re: Boris-face of our accuser-see4yself -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 20:12:49 (EDT)
__ __ Deborah -:- Thanks Janet [nt] -:- Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 13:09:45 (EDT)

Loco -:- Boris is still linking to CAC -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 08:56:40 (EDT)
__ Bonk -:- Re: Boris is still linking to CAC -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:50:25 (EDT)
__ __ Bonk -:- and -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:23:21 (EDT)
__ __ Loco -:- Re: Boris is still linking to CAC -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:22:56 (EDT)
__ __ __ Bonk -:- No you are thick -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:25:04 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Loco -:- Re: No you are thick -:- Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:32:27 (EDT)


Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 18:36:41 (EDT)
From: Glasser, channeling Goober
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Premies: Scurry like Rats from these Forums!!!
Message:
Glasser, what a character. He's a legend in his own mind. He deserves a wider audience...

Glasser's "Hot Update"

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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 08:00:06 (EDT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Glasser, channeling Goober
Subject: This is what Glasser says:
Message:
QUOTE:

September 5, 2001. A few years ago, some very confused people who had quit practising Knowledge a long time ago, supported by an even smaller but vocally hateful minority, created a website which encouraged out-of-context quotes, revelation of private facts, sinister juxtaposition of text, out-and-out lie and exaggerated stories for the express purpose of hurting Maharaji and destroying his efforts to spread Knowledge. I have made my feeling clear about them and their efforts.

They just haven't learned to move on with their lives. The same four or five angry losers keep sending me hate mail, asking me to ignore what I know in my heart in order to give their hateful agenda some credence. These sad people chose to leave Knowledge, and left with empty lives, need the encouragement and confirmation of others to convince them they made the right decision. When three people lie to each other, does that make it a true, positive, and healthy experience? Nope.

Last month someone on the Internet gave them a taste of their own medicine, and posted the same kind of crap about them that they've been posting about Maharaji for a while. It was an ugly business, and they cried and whined and blamed and shouted, but never denied a word of it. They promised criminal actions but of course, law enforcement officials laughed them away, as the crackpots they are. Like neutered hamsters they've resorted to their old tricks, sending hate mail to me and other people who practice knowledge, posting personal information about people on the Internet, and following their activities. When some nutcase does it to them it's an outrage, but when they do it, of course, it is OK because they are On The Side Of Right. How sick can you get?

My advice to people who do not have a hateful agenda is to delete these public chat forums from their browser's bookmarks. It's better to just let the circus go on without you and each temptation to see 'who's saying what' is a distraction from an opportunity to see and feel something beautiful instead.

-- Charles

ENDQUOTE

I wonder if Glasser would include his own site in the bookmarks he wants premies to delete!

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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 14:25:47 (EDT)
From: Chuck S.
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Bravado masking fearfulness...
Message:
You must have had to type that all yourself, CQ. Charles had put it on his website as a .GIF file, so nobody could copy it. Thanks for taking the time to type it out for us.

It's the standard list of all the most cherished beliefs about us by the most fanatical Premies. He makes all the usual boring allegations, which many of us have responded to before, but he ignores each time. He's pretty good at ignoring stuff (I don't doubt he's taken to heart M's advice: ''Leave NO ROOM FOR DOUBT in your mind. NEVER QUESTION the purity of the Master'').

And Charles' advice at the end, for premies to delete bookmarks to our fourms... yes, he is quite scared by what we have to say. Apparently he has no faith in the Premies, that they can discern for themselves what the truth is. God forbid they should scrutinize anything, M's TRUTH needs to be protected from scrutiny and criticism. It's not very STRONG truth, apparently.

It would seem Charles has no faith that Maharaji himself could explain it all away, which of course, he CAN'T do. That is why none of the Premie websites link to our sites, although we link to many of theirs. We are not afraid of what they have to say. They ARE afraid of what we have to say. Glasser's post is riddled with fear. It must be awful to feel you have to hide from the truth, in defense of what you so desperately want to BE the truth.

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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 13:35:06 (EDT)
From: Lady Charlene Glasserly
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: You People.....
Message:
Dear ex-es,

You must understand that my poor husband is distraught over this site.

After all, YOU PEOPLE were never supposed to know that the Malibu manse is owned by Seva Corporation of America.

You were never to find out that my dear girlfriend, Valerie Biscotti's brother-in-law Alvaro is the Registered Agent for WaHaDaMar Inc. and is amassing quite a tidy sum for the children.

And my girlfriend Randalia Proudy's husband, Randy absolutely goes livid when you post public records about his 'financial ventures' or his tidy little home near the Malibu golf course.

You are all so vile. I MEAN IT: 'VILE YOU ARE'.

Now myself, Lady Charlene Glasserly, and my girlfriend Valerie Biscotti, and our other dear girlfriend Randalla Proudy.... well you just wouldn't understand. Do you realize what we had to go through to marry these... ahem... gentlemen and thus advance our positions in the echolon of that tragically, comic short little guru and his tart of a wife. YOU ARE RUINING OUR AFTERNOON TEAS WITH ALL THESE DAMN FACTS.

Well I'll be back later but try to keep the facts you bring up out of the conversation because then Cookie Jacobs wife of Bobby has to deal with him bitching about moving company's out of California, Nevada, and Florida where the Corporate Records are readily available to the State of Delaware so y'all can't access the TRUTH as readily.

Harruummph.... shame on y'all. Now I'm off for my pedicure with one of the lower echelon premies and I am not happy about their new attitude they've developed if they've been reading the FACTS on this site. I mean, don't you understand? My God, they could ruin a perfectly good top coat if they were to find out ALL THE TRUTH.

Good Day... and Ta Ta

Lady Charlene Glasserly on behalf of herself and friends Valerie Biscotti and Randalla Proudy!

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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 13:14:23 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: It's a little early for the champagne, Glasser
Message:
Charles,

If you're reading this, it's a little early for you to celebrate whatever it is you think you've got to crow about. Be patient, my friend. You'll see.

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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 07:00:59 (EDT)
From: Tim Matheson
Email: None
To: Glasser, channeling Goober
Subject: My fellow Premies, ignore the advice of Charles
Message:
for he is a cowardly man. A real premie is not embarrassed by Our Lord Maharaji and does not tell others to run from the evil of the mind.

No, we should face it, confront it whereever and whenever possible. I speak from my heart/.

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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 09:15:18 (EDT)
From: salsa
Email: None
To: Tim Matheson
Subject: no CHIT or DECEIPT
Message:
YOU ARE RIGHT BROTHER. WHAT IS WRONG WITH PRAISING OUR LIVING lord, THE SUPERIOR POWER IN PERSON?

Why be shy, said our LORD. Say it loud. Scream it in the streets: OUR LORD HAS FINALLY COME!!! ALLELUYA! Praise the LORD!

So what that is 'my' LORD. My make believe LORD, not real? I have the right to believe in what I want.

Yes. HIS K is the most precious.
Yes. He is the only one REVEALING it.
Yes. He is PERFECT.
Yes. He is rich: He works hard for his money. He pilots a plane and everything. His feet get tired. He 'sacrifices himself for us.
He doesn'r charge anything; he does it from the heart.
If you don't like it WALK> That is compassion and perfect LOVE man! Yes!! He is so, so, so special!!
He tells me I should be proud to be special.
Yes. As he says, the world sucks, but life is beautiful. A breath here and there and my mind is leaving me.
Oh, he is so, so wise. Why read books? He is so, so simple. I feel like I'm turning into a vegetable, but hey, HAPPY> I smile and smile. :)

He is so, so cool man! He shines. I don't know if is his face lotion or what, but he shines. He speaks to me, each and everytime. Is so, so private. Magical.

And beside, why would I want to leave the cult? What about rotten vegetables? That is scary man. Why leave and then find out how horrible it's? I rather stay, just in case. God forbide I msut live on my own and be responsible for my life. I need him to tell me what to do. I need his words to 'rock me' silly.

Jai sat shit anand!

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 20:49:21 (EDT)
From: silvia
Email: None
To: Glasser, channeling Goober
Subject: Re: Premies: Scurry like Rats from these Forums!!!
Message:
Sounds 'nice' but it has no truth to support his statements.

We did practice K.
We dislike the liar master.
Premies do want to read what we are saying: Many are in their way out.
CG attempt to persuade premies to stop reading the forums is a good 'service' to globber but it'sn't working: Every month/week almost we have new EX PREMIES!! We are recruiting more exes faster than globber gets premies....

FUNNY, YOU CAN'T COPY HIS WRITING.I wonder why.

Premies under the 'influence' are funny, aren't they? So paeanoid.

As much as he wants to make it to be, CAC worked against Lardy. Sorry CG.

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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 02:18:32 (EDT)
From: Sorry Silvertongue but
Email: None
To: silvia
Subject: Premies ARE stopping posting on the forums
Message:
Haven't you heard the latest command from Capitain Krommet?
Haven't you noticed the fresh air on LG? No-one around - right ?
Pwk have been instructed to vacate cyberspace. A handful remain, assigned to clear up the debris. Soon there will be exes pontificating spiteful sprouting wisdoms of the mind - only to exes...
Now, if you want funny ha ha and funny peculiar...
That'll be IT!
A dwindling but invisible audience happily watching.
Without engaging.
What on earth will you guys say when that reality hits home?
NOW THAT'S A FUNNY THOUGHT!
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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 16:48:42 (EDT)
From: Francesca :C)
Email: None
To: Sorry Silvertongue but
Subject: I would love it if the premies ...
Message:
... stop posting on the ex-premie forum. BRING IT ON!

It would be like a radio without static. People here critize Maharaji and his methods and his cult. Most of the rancor that I ever see on this Forum is when anonymous premie trolls come here and try to argue.

And sorry, I won't argue with you. It's not worth my time, OR yours.

Sincerely,

Francesca

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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 12:46:15 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Sorry Silvertongue but
Subject: Not Posting does not equal 'not around'
Message:
The history of the forums have been that many more people read the forum than post. Since no one but premies or ex-premies would even be interested, or probably even heard of Maharaji, that's the group that is 'lurking.' Premies might not be posting, but that doesn't mean they are lurking and reading. That's why EPO gets more traffic than either Elan Vital, or Maharaji's sites. Whether people agree or not, they like to see what's happening.

I think premies are embarrassed by the CAC incident, and don't want to appear to be condoning or associating with it. It seems Charles Glasser Jr., however, has no such qualms.

To bad Mr. Glasser is disappearing from our cyberspace. We shall all miss him greatly.

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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 13:36:35 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Not Posting does not equal 'not around'
Message:
Hi Joe,

That Glasser is a real piece of work. When I went to that page, I clicked on his ''who I am'' and saw the box with his email address which says: ''Rants, Raves, and Correspondence.''

What a complete idiot he is, unbelievable!

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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 18:10:36 (EDT)
From: A S Fisher
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Not Posting does not mean that
Message:
We have started collecting evidence of the cult members' increasing paranoia and escalating madness. I would appreciate it if anyone could repost some of the more insane posts made by cult members in the past as I am collecting evidence of the cult's entry into the semi-final phase (as detailed by the investigators into Jonestown) - disintegration and sociopathy. I already have the original text of Glasser's first website and CAC as well as some posts made here but would not be averse to more. Thank you.
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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 14:00:59 (EDT)
From: The Psychiatric Panel
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Glasser has problems
Message:
After reviewing his profile, it's clear Mr. Glasser has serious problems with anger, cannot handle criticism, and is subject to bouts of rage. The latest missive from Mr. Glasser is filled with lies and fantasies, so transparant, that we fear he has lost all contact with reality, and may, at any momet, be found hunched over a toilet in a tiled bathroom in Brooklyn. We issue this warning in the hopes that he will get appropriate treatment.
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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 11:04:01 (EDT)
From: witheld
Email: None
To: Sorry Silvertongue but
Subject: WHO CARES? This is an ex-premie forum! [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 03:10:48 (EDT)
From: Steve
Email: None
To: Sorry Silvertongue but
Subject: Re: Premies ARE stopping posting on the forums
Message:
Well that'll suit most of us just fine . Premies are generally tedious on the forums anyway.

Keep that plectrum moving,

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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 02:33:51 (EDT)
From: silvia
Email: None
To: Sorry Silvertongue but
Subject: Sorry for u
Message:
No, I don't agree. The guru is too good in the trick....we better stick around...

I have a rich life TODAY, do you know? FUN and truthful!

I don't have the time or the wish to divulgue ALL that I do...but I wonder when the kingdom will fall...and I continue coming here to amuze myself...I flew, free...each day more leave: IT MAKES ME VERY HAPPY....:)

There will always be some idiot trying to trick another person into guruchi. There will always be a person wanting to check guruchi. We are here.

Waz up man, you don like me? If you just knew me...

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 21:11:36 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: silvia
Subject: Re: Premies: Scurry like Rats from these Forums!!!
Message:
You can't copy his writing because unlike most web sites, his is a 'picture' of the text, not the text in html format.
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 19:46:07 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Glasser, channeling Goober
Subject: weird-i cant read it or
Message:
copy and pste it, nor can i highlight it with my
'find' function to make the text stand out.
i get a cursor if i click on it, but nothing happens after that.
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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 02:22:04 (EDT)
From: So can you hear
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: the laughter alright already?
Message:
IT'S DEAFENING HERE!
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 21:12:54 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Re: weird-i cant read it or
Message:
The text is not in html, so you can't copy or paste it. It's really a picture of the text.
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 18:16:33 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: All
Subject: EXTRA... Most Popular Maharaji Websites!!!
Message:
This is too funny, but not surprising.

The Lycos search engine when asked to search for 'Maharaji' lists sites in the order of which ones get the most internet traffic.

Well guess which one is NUMERO UNO?? You guessed it, it's Ex-premie.org. Roger Drek's site is second. Maharaji's site if FOURTH and Elan Vital is FIFTH. Apparently the plans for Maharaji's 'residence' which are on EPO are SO POPULAR, that the page is given it's own entry and is the TENTH most popular page. This is so hysterical.

No wonder Maharaji is shitting his pants over us. This is where everybody is coming to find out what's going on. It sure ain't to good old number four, that's for sure.

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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 11:42:10 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: DJURO
Subject: Re: EXTRA... Most Popular Maharaji Websites!!!
Message:
Who dropped this guy on his head as a baby?
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 20:09:31 (EDT)
From: Facts Not Fiction
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: WRONG
Message:
Yeah, right. TOO funny. Ha, ha. Dream on.

  1. Megaspider [37.com]
  2. Alltheweb

  3. Google
  4. Lycos
  5. Yahoo
  6. Ask Jeeves US
  7. Asta Vista
  8. Looksmart
  9. MSN
  10. Netscape
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 20:12:43 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Facts Not Fiction
Subject: No DIMBO you have to search for POPULAR
Message:
If you do that, EPO is number ONE.
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 22:30:06 (EDT)
From: Just wondering
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: No DIMBO you have to search for POPULAR
Message:
How do you search for Popular sites ?!
Just curious..
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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 15:17:22 (EDT)
From: testing
Email: None
To: Just wondering
Subject: ignore this post
Message:
ignore
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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 02:04:18 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Just wondering
Subject: Re: No DIMBO you have to search for POPULAR
Message:
Go to lycos. wwww.lycos.com

Click 'popular' and NOT 'websites' and search for Mahararji. It sorts by sites that get the most traffic and We are ONE, Dreck is TWO, and poor Maharaji is FOUR. EV is FIVE.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 23:05:54 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Just wondering
Subject: Re: No DIMBO you have to search for POPULAR
Message:
type in cults followed by maharaji, and u will find the best anti-cult sites like ex-premies, da?
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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 00:22:21 (EDT)
From: Just wondering
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Re: No DIMBO you have to search for POPULAR
Message:
Thanks. Just so that I've got this straight (as I'm not an internet genius as you can probably tell) the list of sites that show up when I follow your example are sorted by the number of times each site has been visited ? Or is there something special I've got to type in to see which M related sites are more popular than others..
That's what I was wondering..

Cheers

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 19:14:33 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Other Results
Message:
We're also number 1 with Ask Jeeves. Full results of search engines I can think of:-

1 Ask Jeeves
1 Lycos
3 or 9 Yahoo (they have two lists)
4 Netscape
4 or 9 MSN
8 Looksmart
10 Google
18 GoTo

Look for our rating to go up with Google and GoTo. I blame the webmaster:-)

John.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 20:13:18 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Yeah, I was going to complain to Google, too
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 18:33:05 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: EXTRA... Most Popular Maharaji Websites!!!
Message:
Hi Joe,
How does Lycos know how much traffic a web site gets? Does it go by how many times a site is visited as a result of their search engine?
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 18:56:30 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Re: EXTRA... Most Popular Maharaji Websites!!!
Message:
Here's what it says:

Under the heading 'Popular' it says

10 Web sites were selected based on user selection traffic

Under that heading EPO is first, Drek is 2nd, M is 4th, EV is 5th.

Then there is a second heading just 'Web Sites' which lists a bunch of sites, I guess in no order of popularity.

You can try it yourself by going to www.lycos.com and search for 'Maharaji.'

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 18:58:58 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Wow M must be pissed!
Message:
I just checked and Drek's site, which is number TWO in popularity, is the one with the mock-up of M's site, with M giving the finger. M must be REALLY pissed that more people are viewing that, than his own site. Very funny.
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 18:20:32 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: EXTRA... Most Popular Maharaji Websites!!!
Message:
Okay, so how do we improve? What else could we put on the EPO pages to bring the premies here. Let's think!

Thanks for the great news. Oh! And where on the list is LIES GREAT?

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 12:53:32 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: All
Subject: fakiranand news
Message:
The latest news update on Satpal's website, Manav Dharam, indicates
that Fakiranand, now 71, traveled with Satpal on an international
tour this summer, (didn't make Detroit though). See
the news update section of Manav Dharam. There's also some
interesting info there about the number of Satpal's ashrams in India
and elsewhere. Prempal will tear out his hair if his brother wins
the best guru race! Ha!
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 13:22:13 (EDT)
From: Francesca :C)
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Here's the article
Message:
Here 'tis. Can also click the back button to get to the rest of the news.

--f
[ Fakirinand news ]

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 19:41:43 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Francesca :C)
Subject: he was in norwalk CA
Message:
that's here in los angeles. that means fakiranand was back on US soil and should have been apprehended for his attempted murder of pat halley.
now if we just had a mole inside manaav sharam, the way the EVmonitors read and watch us, we would have had advance word to ge the police or the FBI.
i suppose we should ask pat halley first, if he wants to maintain his complaint about what was done to him, and from there, let the FBI or interpol handle it.
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 13:45:44 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Francesca :C)
Subject: Heyji! Read this bit!
Message:
Among other speakers of the day was Maharaj's son Shardheyji, who gave a mature discourse despite his teenage years, elaborating on how an enlightened soul can bring about peace and harmony, much like a lit candle kindling many more candles.

Looks like Satpal is winning the spiritual dynasty race.

John.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 13:34:23 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Francesca :C)
Subject: Can't Fakiranand be arrested?
Message:
Does Pat Halley know that Fakiranand has been back in the USA? Do the police know? Isn't Fakiranand still subject to arrest?
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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 08:20:01 (EDT)
From: guyiti
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Can't Fakiranand be arrested?
Message:
It might be a good idea if Fakiranand's legal name ( the name's that on his passport) were known. That would definitely facilitate making a report to law enforcement authorities.
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 19:42:54 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: joe-see my post above
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 12:43:27 (EDT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Does M now think his father was deluded?
Message:
Shri Hans, Maharaji's late father, had the following to say about the 'Master':

'O my Guru, Lord of all Lords, I ask for nothing more than to serve You day and night. If only I might see my living Master, I would tell Him all my sufferings, weeping, and rest my head on His Holy Feet. I would tell him everything.

When he wishes for the means to experience the essence of Truth, the devotee must accept a Guru. In the spirit of adoration, he should salute his noble Guru who is God Himself, who is enthroned in the thousand jewelled crown.

The aim which the yogic scriptures set us is the union of the individual soul with the Supreme soul. When a devotee remains in the company of his Satguru, in the spirit of devotion, his body of dust becomes filled with bliss.

I bow before my Guru who reveals the Lotus Feet of the Supreme Lord permeating the whole universe.

Lord, I bow before your Lotus Feet. I come to Your shelter, My Guru Maharaj Ji, and bow before You. You remove the three forms of suffering which we find in this world, disease, disaster and ignorance of the soul.

You remove the fear of this world. You are the very incarnation of good fortune, and filled with blissfulness. You are Shiva, the one who lets endless nectar flow.

You are Generator, Operator and Destroyer, You are the Lord of Lords, King of Kings, the most High. I do not know how to remember You nor how to meditate upon You. You are Lord Shiva incarnate.

You are hidden within the cave of the heart, and you expand to fill the universe. You reveal Yourself to be consciousness itself. I bow before you.

You are the Lord of all the blessed, the rescuer of Your devotees. I bow before You. You are beyond time, unique, incomparable. You are the one that all prayers turn to. You can be seen yet remain quite invisible. You are all power and glory, You are the noble Buddha. My Satgurudev, salutations!'

From Shri Hans Ji Maharaj's magnum opus: 'Hans Yog Prakash', published in the late 1960s by Divine Light Mission, India.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 15:02:34 (EDT)
From: silvia
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Of course he does
Message:
but it's good bussiness!!

Premies: Read Bob Mishler's radio interview.

MISHLER

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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 05:13:36 (EDT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: silvia
Subject: Re: Of course he does
Message:
Didn't M say 'never doubt the purity of the Master'?

Which in turn raises the question of whether 'purity' has anything to do with the 'Master's' message.

If you're right about M thinking his father (his own Master) was deluded when he said that the Master was God incarnate, then he's setting an interesting precedent here.

If it means that, if premies follow his example, they're allowed to question what the 'Master' says and reject it if they want to, just like M has done with his own father's teachings.

Which would be a turn up for the books.

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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 09:19:35 (EDT)
From: silvia
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Never question the MASTER
Message:
takes care of all, doesn't? whatever doubt a person feels needs to be stopped: You can't doubt his purity....Isn't ALL crasier than we ever thought? Oh my...WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT HE IS. One can't even think?

TOO MANY GODS.

ps: sOON i WILL BE READY TO BEGING e-mailing sound, ok?

Chau. :)

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 11:15:15 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: FA
Message:
FA, I agree. Djuro is creepy and only takes up space.

IMHO...:)

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 11:21:16 (EDT)
From: Big Powerful FA
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Djuro the Worm
Message:
Hi Djuro. Don't come around here any more. That means don't post here. You are not welcome. We here at the Forum have become quite proficient at tracing you asshole spammers and will no longer tolerate your transgressions. We are taking a hard line and will do whatever it takes to make you stop.

So unless you want the whole house to come down on you like a ton of bricks, stop spamming this forum. This is your last warning, jerk.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 01:26:06 (EDT)
From: Who will be
Email: None
To: All
Subject: the next satguru...poll...
Message:
A number of people have been speculating that m may annonce some sort of retirement, or at least partial retirement in the next few years...

According to the m philosophy, there shall be a successor to him...

Based on this, who would be your first pick to become the next satguru?

(And doesn't it seem strange that this ordinary person, whoever it may be, would then assume the role of satguru, or living lord, and people would then worship that person and assume that they have all sorts of divine, mystical powers?)

No matter who you pick, it all seems very, very bizarre....

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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 10:47:05 (EDT)
From: Bob D
Email: megapode@hotmail.com
To: Who will be
Subject: Re: the next satguru...poll...
Message:
As I understand it, retirement is not an option for perfect masters. As they say in the classics 'there can be only one', and the perfect master will be the perfect master until his form shuffles off this mortal coil.

I would bet that when that happens a religion (IE a bunch of dogma and a dead perfect master - as M once said) will evolve from the current Elan Vital.

Unless Maharaj Ji makes an uambiguous, very public stipulation as to who will succeed him that is...

And even that would be contested.

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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 02:08:55 (EDT)
From: silvia
Email: None
To: Who will be
Subject: DAYA NT
Message:
maybe not. Amar is too shy for the 'job'.
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 19:23:30 (EDT)
From: I nominate
Email: None
To: Who will be
Subject: Bill Clinton
Message:
As well as being a seasoned public speaker, He comes equipped with his own Monica, his own scandals, dubious money schemes etc. Except for the difference in height, business would pretty much go on as usual
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 18:24:29 (EDT)
From: such
Email: None
To: Who will be
Subject: Nobody! [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 18:22:10 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Who will be
Subject: Monica? [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 13:02:28 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Who will be
Subject: SHRI SHRI ICHIRO !!!!
Message:
Marketing is already in place with shirts, photos and bobble-head dolls for your altar. 45,000 people regularly gather in stadia several times a week along with millions on national television. Plus thousands of Ichiro fans are already watching satellite broadcasts of the Mariners' games in Japan and many Japanese devotees travel to Seattle for home games just to see Ichiro. For those who do not know of this growing cult phenomenon, Ichiro is the Japanese right fielder for the Seattle Mariners who, in his rooky year, is breaking many league records. He's young, he's got the mojo so why not. Ichiro Ki Jai!!!!

Richard the fair weather baseball fan

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 11:13:29 (EDT)
From: Either
Email: None
To: Who will be
Subject: Wadi Sue or Charles Glasser (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 06:46:41 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Who will be
Subject: Re: the next satguru-my thoughts
Message:
i was thinking about this the other day, as a matter of fact. revisiting the question, you might say, and a surprising new image came to me:

when shi hans died, and everyone was wondering what they would o without him, not kowing where to turn, little sant ji stepped up and surprised them all by exhorting them for failing to understand that That Bng never leaves them. we all saw the footage of him gesturing before the crowds to 'recognize him, ob him and adore him'.

this set me thinking, thinking back and forward.

it occurred to me that ZI came to understand early on that 'guru maharaj ji' was NOT that figure on the stage, talking, or riding around in a rolls royce, or smirking on the ocver of the magazine.

what i understood and experienced in my persoanl life was an entity that was not physical, a kind of companion in the spirit realm that accepted my life as a n opportunity to teach me and show me about the world, if i wished to pay attention. i know we were always telling each other in satsang 'maharaji showed me this' or ' i saw so clearly' or it was only by is grace that it happened'--and listening to such utterances, I always identified them with the guru maharaji I knew that was not a man, not a flesh and blood person, but a greater entity with more perception than me, who used various situations and outcomes o instruct me in the ways of the owrld versus where I could and should put my attention.

think what you want; it worked.

now to my thoughts on the story to come:

if the scenario repeats, then what will happen, could happen, is that prem pal will die, and everybody will be bereft and lost, unable to understand what to look to, without their beloved figurehead, and then unexpectedly, out of the sea of the lost, someone will step forward with surprising authority and conviction and shame the masses with their astonishing strenght of Knowing that the Master hasn't Left, the Master never dies, that no one has gotten the lesson right, that He is forever Here, Among us
---

and people will turn and stare and it will dawn on them that they had food themselves all along that what they were calling Maharaji was the preson, the vessel, the body, the personality of Prem Pal SIngh Rawat
---
and that wasn't it at ALL.

Maharaji DID say, at age eight, that for the first time he got up to give satsang and it was NOT HIM speaking. He said something came INTO HIM, the the words just came out, in a power he had never felt before. We used to talk over there being an Oversoul, or a kind of separate entity or intelligence, that used us to speak Through us to the owrld, when we got up there at the mike or in a crowd or on a streetcorner and surrendered ourselves It and allowed it to Use us.

Perhaps it is so. Perhaps that guy in malibu isnt Guru Maharaji at all. Maybe his fatal weakness is that he has lost sight of who he is, versus Who It Is he was supposed to serve.

I was surrounded by people doing channelling in the late 80's. I read about it, I watched people do it.
I watched the Lazaris tapes, I watched the Ramtha tapes, I read the biography of JZ Knight, the woman who let herself be a channel for Rantha for a while. In her book, she confesses that allowiherself to be used as the vessel was something she willingly did at irst, but over time it became far too demanding and ok a greater toll on her than she was willing to give anymore. she spoke of giving herself over to the Light and 'going away' into it and not knowing anything until she awaoke back in th body, and discovering that the body was hung over and weak and exhausted, and friends or family would explain to her that she had been gone for days, durign which time Ramtha had held court for hundreds of audience attendees and invariably, he had called for wine and a glass and indulged before the group all the while he was lecturing them and answering their questions.
When he would finally wrap up the weekend and go back into the infinite, she was invariably left with the mess he had made of her body while in it, when she returned to it, and she just didnt want it anymore.

there were charges near the end of her public time as a channel when those around her claimed she was faking it, that Ramtha wasn't really there anymore. in her book , she truthfully explained that she reached a poiwhere she just didnt want him coming down and trashing her personal vehicle anymore, so she did, in fact, put on an act and pretend he was there, but in fact she WAS just acting, so the attendees wouldnt go away unfulfilled, and so she could stay sober the whole time and retain control over her health.

in the end, she finall announced she was going back to being just herself, not gonna channel anymore, wanted to raise horses, and had told ramtha she was ending their agreement.

then i found myself having my own experience of channelling that I never expected. if you'd told be it would happen to me, i'd have scoffed yu out of the room.
not just me, but i had a friend, and he got involved too, and we both became channels for this figure. and then several figures. i wont tell you who they were, but they were all famous people from the 60's who died young, utimely, and in ways that left the world grieving, to this day.

and we ourselves learned how exhausting it was to give yourself over to be a channel for someone from the nonphysical realms. in fact, we were reminiscing about it a week ago and my friend objected to someone's request that he do it for them, jsut one more time, for that reason. He said he needed to build up his energy, his stamina, his health again, before he could consider it.

this is the same friend who went thru the NDE and the ICU 2 weeks ago and recovered. he told me THAT was EASY, contrasted with the energy drain that channelling exacted of him.

so my conjecture is this: prem pal has gotten weary of the service. he fakes it. he doesnt really feel like lending hiself over to the Real Power or the Real Consciousness that came into him that day when he stepped up to the stage after his father died. He's coasting. He's bullshitting these days. He's milked it for the comforts and the perks and the scams, but his days are numbered. He Drinks. he Smokes. He eats meat. He barely exercises. The body can't take it forever. His liver's gonna fail.[alcohol] His heart is gonna fail[meat and fat]. His breath is gonna fail[25 years of smoking]. and the power, the master, the teacher, the Being that we call 'maharaji' is going to move on to a more worthy mouthpiece and a humbler, clearer, more sincere soul.
It will probably surprise the next individual It Picks.. It decides who to come to. They won't be looking for it. They probably won't have any grandiose fantasies for it. Hopefully never, but at least, not at first. Temptation being what it is, like prem pal, they may succumb in time. but usually at first there are no personal ambitions.

jach purcell, JZ Knight, Jane Roberts with the Seth material, me and my pal with our experiences--its an extraordinary course or chapter to undergo, but we're only human. after a while, it's a burden and tiresome. you can only take so much.

so I doubt it will come out of anyone we name here. the person themselves won;t know till hit comes out of them. It may even take the actual death and waht happens around it or after it, to bring it out of them.

but prem pal singh rawat was never my 'Guru Maharji' Whover that being was, or is, was never a man on earth i could touch or point to or have you shake hands with. I understood that back then, and it all came back to me again the other day in retrospect.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 19:31:11 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: sorry-corrected text, no typos
Message:
i was thinking about this the other day, as a matter of fact. revisiting the question, you might say, and a surprising new image came to me:

when shri hans died, and everyone was wondering what they would do without him, not knowing where to turn, little sant ji stepped up and surprised them all, by exhorting them for failing to understand that That Being never leaves them. we all saw the footage of him, gesturing before the crowds, asking the crowds why they were weeping? that maharaji was among them now! to 'recognize him, obey him, and adore him'.

this set me thinking, thinking back and forward.

it occurred to me that I came to understand, early on, that 'guru maharaj ji' was NOT that figure on the stage, talking, or riding around in a rolls royce, or smirking on the cover of the magazine.

what i realized and experienced, in my personal life, was that there was a new entity that was not physical, a kind of companion in the spirit realm, that was now there with me, or for me, that accepted my life as an opportunity to teach me, and show me about the world, if i wished to pay attention. i know we were always telling each other in satsang 'maharaji showed me this' or ' i saw so clearly' or it 'was only by his grace that it happened'--and listening to such utterances, I always identified them with the guru maharaji I knew that was not a man, not a flesh and blood person, but a greater entity with more perception than me, who used various situations and outcomes to teach me lessons and to instruct me in the ways of the world, versus where I could and should put my attention.

think what you want; it worked.

now to my thoughts on the story to come:

if the scenario repeats, then what will happen, could happen, is that prem pal will die, and everybody will be bereft and lost, unable to understand what to look to, without their beloved figurehead, and then unexpectedly, out of the sea of the lost, someone will step forward with surprising authority and conviction and shame the masses, with their astonishing strength of Knowing that the Master hasn't Left, the Master never dies, that no one has gotten the lesson right, that He is forever Here, Among us
---

and people will turn and stare, and it will dawn on them that they had fooled themselves, all along, that what they were calling 'Maharaji' was the person, the vessel, the body, the personality of Prem Pal SIngh Rawat
---
and that wasn't 'it' at ALL.

Maharaji DID say, at age eight, that his voice came to him three different times after shri hans died, that 'you are he, you are the one to continue', and that he puzzled over the voice. He said it came for the last time when he bent down to touch his father's ashes, and then, that for the first time he got up to give satsang and it was NOT HIM speaking. He said something came INTO HIM, the the words just came out, in a Power he had never felt before. We used to talk about there being an Oversoul, or a kind of separate Entity or Intelligence, that used us, to speak Through us, to the group, or to the world, when we got up there, at the mike, or in a crowd, or on a streetcorner, and surrendered ourselves to It 'in Holy Name', and allowed it to Use us however it needed us to be.

Perhaps it is so. Perhaps that guy in malibu isnt Guru Maharaji at all. Maybe his fatal weakness is that he has lost sight of who he is, versus Who It Is, that he was supposed to be a servant to and surrender to for It to take the message to the planet.

I was surrounded by people doing channelling in the late 80's. I read about it, I watched people do it.
I watched the Lazaris tapes, I watched the Ramtha tapes, I read the biography of JZ Knight, the woman who let herself be a channel for Rantha, for a while. In her book, she confesses that, initially, allowing herself to be used as Ramtha's vessel was something she accepted --willingly, at first, but over time, it became far too demanding upon her, and took a greater toll on her than she was willing to give, anymore. she spoke of how it worked when Ramtha wanted to come and speak: it always began with her giving herself over to the Light, and 'going away' into it, and not knowing anything until she awoke, back in the body, and discovering that the body was hung over, and weak, and exhausted, and friends or family would explain to her that she had been gone for days, during which time, Ramtha had held court for hundreds of audience attendees, and invariably, indulging in his own tastes and habits, he had called for wine and a glass, and indulged before the group, all the while he was lecturing them, and answering their questions.
When he would finally wrap up the weekend and go back into the infinite, and she came back to the world, and her body, she was invariably left with the mess he had made of her body, while in it, when she returned to it, and she just didnt want it anymore.

there were charges, accusations, near the end of her public time as a channel, when those around her claimed she was faking it, that Ramtha wasn't really there anymore. In her book , she truthfully explained that, yes-- she reached a point of growing tired with it all; where she just didnt want him coming down and trashing her personal vehicle anymore, so she did, in fact, put on an act, and pretend he was there, but in fact she WAS just acting, so the attendees wouldnt go away unfulfilled, and so she could stay sober the whole time, and retain control over her health.

in the end, she finally announced she was going back to being just herself, not gonna channel anymore, wanted to raise horses, and had told ramtha she was ending their agreement.

Then, a few years after all this, I found myself having my own experiences of channelling, that I never expected. if you'd told me, prior, it would happen to me, i'd have scoffed you out of the room.
Not just me, but i had a friend, and he got incredulously involved too, and we both became channels for this figure. And then several figures. I wont tell you who they were, but they were all famous people from the 60's, who died young, untimely, and in ways that left the world grieving, still to this day. We did it because we wanted to know, as much as the rest of the world, 'why'?

and we ourselves learned how exhausting it was, to give yourself over to be a channel, for someone from the nonphysical realms. in fact, we were reminiscing about it, a week ago ,and my friend objected to someone's request that he do it for them, just one more time, for that very reason. He said he would need to build up his energy, his stamina, his health, again, before he could consider it.

this is the same friend who went thru the NDE and the ICU 2 weeks ago and recovered. he told me THAT was EASY, contrasted with the energy drain that channelling exacted of him.

so my conjecture is this: prem pal has gotten weary of the service. he's faking it. he doesnt really feel like lending himself over to the Real Power or the Real Consciousness, that came into him, that day when he stepped up to the stage, after his father died. He's coasting. He's bullshitting, these days. He's milked it for the comforts and the perks and the scams, but his days are numbered. He Drinks. he Smokes. He eats meat. He barely exercises. The body can't take it forever. His liver's gonna fail.[alcohol] His heart is gonna fail[meat and fat]. His breath is gonna fail[25 years of smoking]. and the power, the master, the teacher, the Being that we meant when we called it 'maharaji', is going to move on, to a more worthy mouthpiece, and a humbler, clearer, more sincere soul, one who only wants to understand, and to learn, and to convey to others..
It will probably surprise the next individual It Picks.. and make no mistake: it is not in man's hands to decide. It decides whom it will come to. They won't be looking for it. They probably won't have any grandiose fantasies for it. Hopefully never, but at least, not at first. Temptation being what it is, like prem pal, they may succumb in time. but usually, at first, there are no personal ambitions for ego greatness..

jach purcell, JZ Knight, Jane Roberts with the Seth material, me and my pal with our experiences--its an extraordinary course or chapter to undergo, but we're only human. after a while, it's a burden and tiresome. you can only take so much. you want your own life back, so you can just be yourself and life your own story.

so I doubt it will come out of anyone we name here. the person themselves won't know, till it comes to them, into them, through them, and out of them. It may even take the actual death of prem pal, and whatever events happen around it, or after it, to bring it out of them and make visible who the next vehicle will be.

but prem pal singh rawat was never my 'Guru Maharaji' Whoever that being was, or is, was never a man on earth i could touch, or point to, or have you shake hands with. I understood that, back then, and it all came back to me again, the other day, in retrospect.

and there will be a split. the great majority will stay with the complacent, familiar, lifestyle religion they have spent 30 odd years of their life in, and will stay with whoever prem pal names to inherit the family business. but the new, real successor will go out alone, as hans did, and will go wherever and do whatever that inner master leads them to do. they will collect new students and be nothing like the encrusted, comfortable, fossilized remnant that will be left behind.

save this and return to compare it, when prem pal dies. i think its a premonition and a future vision.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 13:29:31 (EDT)
From: Famous person's maid(deceased)
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: How come the boss still gets..
Message:
...all the action?
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 06:25:28 (EDT)
From: Maybe He'll just sell the business
Email: None
To: Who will be
Subject: and waddle off into the sunset [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 03:15:43 (EDT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Who will be
Subject: Re: the next satguru...poll...
Message:
I always wanted to be a guru. You think I should nominate myself? Sheesh, all the moula.
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 19:36:43 (EDT)
From: Chelaji on the Path
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: You mean you're NOT Guru Nerdji Salamji?!!!
Message:
I am soooooooooo disillusioned! But I still have faith - I'm going to look a new guru up in the Yellow Pages right away!!!! Maybe that Taiwanese Blond! :)
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 23:07:48 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Chelaji on the Path
Subject: Re: You mean you're NOT Guru Nerdji Salamji?!!!
Message:
Ooops. But that was only a temp position. Am looking for full time.
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 02:47:06 (EDT)
From: btdt
Email: None
To: Who will be
Subject: Re: the next satguru...poll...
Message:
i vote for Dya. Everyone's bonded to her. And i was sorta surprised when M made the comment referring to the next perfect master as being 'him' or 'her'.
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 11:11:35 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: btdt
Subject: Definitely Premlata....
Message:
She got knowledge....and I saw the video when she stood up an announced it to the crowd.

She also said that when she was preparing her speech, she ran it by m and he heavily edited it. The crowd roared in laughter...

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 19:34:18 (EDT)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: SPEECH !!! what ever happened
Message:
to speaking extemporaneously from your heart, this must be new policy. I guess nowadays you can't say anything unless approved by the massa. This isn't even knowledge lite, this is more like toastmasters or speech 101.
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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 11:04:30 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: Yup...
Message:
That's what WaddieSue said. Then Daya came out to sing a song...it was yucky, whe looked so sexy, it gave me the creeps....especially while she looked so lovingly at M, the sexual aspect was quite weird.

Premlata had her hair cut very short. She looked sort of androgynous. That's why I picked her as the successor. She's pretty, but not drop dead gorgeous like her sister.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 07:10:49 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: btdt
Subject: i predict a split
Message:
if what came to me the other day, which i have said in my post above, is the way it really happens, then there will be the same kind of split take place between rawat's family business and the True Believer.
Rawat may name a successor, as happened with Vairaganand at the radhasoami ashram, but someone wil go out apart from the home fold, as shri hans did, and begin to passionately preach walking alone, apart from the established body. and a split will ensue, between those who stick with the family and the complacent,familiar ways, customs, habits, practices and all the folks they know, and those who break away and follow the purist, the 'nobody', the lone, humble, voice, crying in the wilderness, possessed of something Greater then they themselves ever expected.

the Power chooses who it will use. it isnt up to the ego of anyone down here, no matter how much they might lke to think it is.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 01:34:27 (EDT)
From: Steve
Email: None
To: Who will be
Subject: Norman Higginbottom from Scunthorpe nt...
Message:
kjnsd
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 06:18:36 (EDT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Steve
Subject: How about Jeffrey Archer? (nt)
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 20:38:03 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: All
Subject: OT - Is this a cult? Anyone know?
Message:
I have a friend whose wife just left him for this...
[ Master Ching Hai ]
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 18:33:51 (EDT)
From: such
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: oh,dassa dragon lady massa Chinga Hai
Message:
'Is this a cult?' is that like a trick rhetorical question?

'course it's occult! haha

watch yer cable public access tv -- chinga is on da tele several times each week, along with Elizabeth Eclair False Prophet, and summa da udder rugus. Chinga is part rugu part palm reader psychic friends network part Asian superstitions part Imelda fashions maven.

Maybe, consider yer friend lucky -- if his dumb wife left him for dis chinga massa. chinga made a lil splash with da Vietnamese and Taiwanese ethnic communities in da West.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 11:42:16 (EDT)
From: Vidal Sasoon
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Don't you LOVE her blonde hair?
Message:
It just looks so natural, and so many Asians have natural blonde hari! Wonder what kind of rinse she uses? I think she got her hair color out the .99 or less bin at the 'Pick and Save.' Sure looks like it.
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 19:05:50 (EDT)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: Vidal Sasoon
Subject: I hear Goober likes Blondes
Message:
Wouldn't it be a hoot if these two masters of disaster somehow hooked up? What a pair to draw to
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 13:15:32 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: Vidal Sasoon
Subject: Re: Don't you LOVE her blonde hair?
Message:
I think you have it wrong. She is some kind of gal. A man loves a blonde guru-babe. She's hot and also knows all. She has wise one liners and wisdom for the below-50 IQ crowd.
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 08:17:30 (EDT)
From: Sounds like perfectly
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: normal behavior to me.. [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 20:54:20 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: It's on The Rick Ross Site...
Message:
I hope this works....sounds like a cult to me. She left her husband for it? Doesn't sound good.
[ From The Alpabetical Listings ]
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 21:11:15 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Thanks Cynthia, appreciate it (NT)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 20:43:10 (EDT)
From: Bob
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Re: OT - Is this a cult? Anyone know?
Message:
Beep Beep! cult alarm! My highly sophisticated cult sensors confirm this!
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 01:52:11 (EDT)
From: Sound Familiar?
Email: None
To: Bob
Subject: An Excerpt
Message:
On the ninth floor of a Wan Chai high-rise is a temple to the personality cult of Supreme Master Ching Hai, a Vietnamese woman whose followers claim possesses a 'sublime inner light.'

A devotee entered the converted office on Thomson Road, which is hung with portraits of the master alongside a collection of 700 videotapes of her world travels, on Thursday afternoon. The man, in his 20s, drew a velvet curtain around an area beside the throne-like pink sofa and table reserved for the 'living saint' on her visits to Hong Kong and knelt down to pray.

He, along with a couple of thousand others in the SAR who follow the Taiwan-based 50-year-old guru, was seeking to make contact with his quan yin, or inner vibration, through a method of Buddhist-inspired meditation which is to be practised for more than two hours every day.

In an interview, spokeswoman Liza Chow outlined the benefits of meditation, describing how she felt 'very happy and comfortable' after each session. She said those initiated into the movement must become vegetarians and follow other precepts prohibiting the use of alcohol or drugs, telling lies and sexual misconduct. What she did not mention, however, were controversies surrounding Ching Hai. Followers drank her bathwater believing it had curative powers, according to a
1997 US newspaper report. A devotee from New Zealand told the South China Morning Post last year that others ate her soap because anything she touched contained vibrations. Asked about the allegations, Ms Chow said: 'That is nonsense. The master is very concerned about cleanliness.'

While promotional literature emphasises free lectures and courses, Ching Hai 'finances her mission' by selling her own 'colourful artworks, exquisite fashion [some outfits cost up to US$10,000, or about HK$77,800] and fine jewellery designs', according to her Web site, the grandly titled www.godsdirect contact.org.

American cult expert Margaret Singer, a psychology professor at the University of California in Berkeley, said she had received complaints from partners of devotees who had spent 'tremendous sums of money' on Ching Hai's products. Ms. Chow said the centre was maintained by donations from members.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 06:25:04 (EDT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Sound Familiar?
Subject: Cult? They only drink the Master's bathwater!(nt)
Message:
Cult? They only drink the Master's bathwater!

slurp?

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 02:50:47 (EDT)
From: btdt
Email: None
To: Sound Familiar?
Subject: Re: An Excerpt
Message:
okay, how come this sounds exactly like the wonderful world of knowledge with M and completely hokey pokey? How come when M presented/presents it, it all seemed to make logical sense? I'm beginning to hear those inaudible sounds again....Such is that you
spiking the PA system?!!! 'Oh, no Mister Bill, save me!'
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 14:04:14 (EDT)
From: such
Email: None
To: btdt
Subject: oops,da meter peaked above 8 hz [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 02:38:13 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: Sound Familiar?
Subject: Re: An Excerpt
Message:
Astonishing. Sounds just like the boy-guru. Thanks.
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 20:14:10 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: jhb@ex-premie.org
To: All
Subject: Forum Archives
Message:
Forum 6 & 7 archives are now on-line on EPO. The heading for forum 7 archives currently says Forum 6. This will be corrected as soon as I can get my head around the programming:-)

The archives are totally uncensored (apart from any censoring that the Forum Admins do before the archives are taken), so I've included a disclaimer on the page.

Also, the archives are snapshots of the forum when the archive is taken. To ensure that as many posts as possible are included, the archives overlap, so if a thread seems incomplete, a more complete version may be available in the next archive. It is however possible that posts are lost if posters add to old threads after the archive is taken.

Any questions, write to me.

John
[ Forum 6 & 7 Archives ]

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 03:23:36 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Re: Forum Archives
Message:
thanks john. Sorry about yahoo saying Latvia is not on the map. I think u should complain.
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 00:46:25 (EDT)
From: Peg
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Thank you so much for the work you do on EpO
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 02:59:17 (EDT)
From: btdt
Email: None
To: Peg
Subject: hey Peg
Message:
Could you please send me your e-mail again. It disappeared in my computer illerate hands!
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 13:49:19 (EDT)
From: Peg
Email: pmaccanner@hotmail.com
To: btdt
Subject: bdtd I wondered where you got to [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 22:34:39 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: ***** Best of Forum *****
Message:
Will be updated ...... Just keep tagging *** Best of Forum *** the best threads, and wait !
[ Best of Forum page ]
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 20:56:22 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Thanks so much... [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 20:39:08 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Forum Archives - thanks, John [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 20:28:18 (EDT)
From: silvia
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: thanks JHB Nt
Message:
n
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 18:35:22 (EDT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: All
Subject: da voice roll + other techs
Message:
The 'Voice Roll' Technique

A 'voice roll' is a patterned, paced style used by hypnotists when inducing a trance. It is also used by many lawyers, several of whom are highly trained hypnotists, when they desire to entrench a point firmly in the minds of the jurors. A voice roll can sound as if the speaker were talking to the beat of a metronome or it may sound as though he were emphasizing every word in a monotonous, patterned style. The words will usually be delivered at the rate of 45 to 60 beats per minute, maximizing the hypnotic effect.

Persuasion Techniques

Persuasion isn't technically brainwashing but it is the manipulation of the human mind by another individual, without the manipulated party being aware what caused his opinion shift. I only have time to very basically introduce you to a few of the thousands of techniques in use today, but the basis of persuasion is always to access your right brain. The left half of your brain is analytical and rational. The right side is creative and imaginative. That is overly simplified but it makes my point. So, the idea is to distract the left brain and keep it busy. Ideally, the persuader generates an eyes-open altered state of consciousness, causing you to shift from beta awareness into alpha; this can be measured on an EEG machine.

'Yes Set'

First, let me give you an example of distracting the left brain. Politicians use these powerful techniques all the time; lawyers use many variations which, I've been told, they call 'tightening the noose.'
Assume for a moment that you are watching a politician give a speech. First, he might generate what is called a 'yes set.' These are statements that will cause listeners to agree; they might even unknowingly nod their heads in agreement. Next come the truisms. These are usually facts that could be debated but, once the politician has his audience agreeing, the odds are in the politician's favor that the audience won't stop to think for themselves, thus continuing to agree. Last comes the suggestion. This is what the politician wants you to do and, since you have been agreeing all along, you could be persuaded to accept the suggestion. Now, if you'll listen closely to my political speech, you'll find that the first three are the 'yes set,' the next three are truisms and the last is the suggestion.
'Ladies and gentlemen: are you angry about high food prices? Are you tired of astronomical gas prices? Are you sick of out-of-control inflation? Well, you know the Other Party allowed 18 percent inflation last year; you know crime has increased 50 percent nationwide in the last 12 months, and you know your paycheck hardly covers your expenses any more. Well, the answer to resolving these problems is to elect me, John Jones, to the U.S. Senate.'

Embedded Commands

And I think you've heard all that before. But you might also watch for what are called embedded commands. As an example: On key words, the speaker would make a gesture with his left hand, which research has shown is more apt to access your right brain. Today's media-oriented politicians and spellbinders are often carefully trained by a whole new breed of specialist who are using every trick in the book--both old and new--to manipulate you into accepting their candidate.

Subliminal Programming

Subliminals are hidden suggestions that only your subconscious perceives. They can be audio, hidden behind music, or visual, airbrushed into a picture, flashed on a screen so fast that you don't consciously see them, or cleverly incorporated into a picture or design.
Most audio subliminal reprogramming tapes offer verbal suggestions recorded at a low volume. I question the efficacy of this technique--if subliminals are not perceptible, they cannot be effective, and subliminals recorded below the audible threshold are therefore useless. The oldest audio subliminal technique uses a voice that follows the volume of the music so subliminals are impossible to detect without a parametric equalizer. But this technique is patented and, when I wanted to develop my own line of subliminal audiocassettes, negotiations with the patent holder proved to be unsatisfactory.
My attorney obtained copies of the patents which I gave to some talented Hollywood sound engineers, asking them to create a new technique. They found a way to psycho-acoustically modify and synthesize the suggestions so that they are projected in the same chord and frequency as the music, thus giving them the effect of being part of the music. But we found that in using this technique, there is no way to reduce various frequencies to detect the subliminals. In other words, although the suggestions are being heard by the subconscious mind, they cannot be monitored with even the most sophisticated equipment.
If we were able to come up with this technique as easily as we did, I can only imagine how sophisticated the technology has become, with unlimited government or advertising funding. And I shudder to think about the propaganda and commercial manipulation that we are exposed to on a daily basis. There is simply no way to know what is behind the music you hear. It may even be possible to hide a second voice behind the voice to which you are listening.
The series by Wilson Bryan Key, Ph.D., on subliminals in advertising and political campaigns well documents the misuse in many areas, especially printed advertising in newspapers, magazines, and posters.

Mass Misuse of Subliminal Programming

I could relate many stories that support subliminal programming, but I'd rather use my time to make you aware of even more subtle uses of such programming.
I have personally experienced sitting in a Los Angeles auditorium with over ten thousand people who were gathered to listen to a current charismatic figure. Twenty minutes after entering the auditorium, I became aware that I was going in and out of an altered state. Those accompanying me experienced the same thing. Since it is our business, we were aware of what was happening, but those around us were not. By careful observation, what appeared to be spontaneous demonstrations were, in fact, artful manipulations. The only way I could figure that the eyes-open trance had been induced was that a 6- to 7-cycle-per-second vibration was being piped into the room behind the air conditioner sound. That particular vibration generates alpha, which would render the audience highly susceptible. Ten to 25 percent of the population is capable of a somnambulistic level of altered states of consciousness; for these people, the suggestions of the speaker, if non-threatening, could potentially be accepted as 'commands.'

Extra-low Frequency Vibrations (ELFs)

Now, let's carry this awareness a little farther. There are also inaudible ELFs (extra-low frequency waves). These are electromagnetic in nature. One of the primary uses of ELFs is to communicate with our submarines. Dr. Andrija Puharich, a highly respected researcher, in an attempt to warn U.S. officials about Russian use of ELFs, set up an experiment. Volunteers were wired so their brain waves could be measured on an EEG. They were sealed in a metal room that could not be penetrated by a normal signal.
Puharich then beamed ELF waves at the volunteers. ELFs go right through the earth and, of course, right through metal walls. Those inside couldn't know if the signal was or was not being sent. And Puharich watched the reactions on the technical equipment: 30 percent of those inside the room were taken over by the ELF signal in six to ten seconds.
When I say 'taken over,' I mean that their behavior followed the changes anticipated at very precise frequencies. Waves below 6 cycles per second caused the subjects to become very emotionally upset, and even disrupted bodily functions. At 8.2 cycles, they felt very high...an elevated feeling, as though they had been in masterful meditation, learned over a period of years. Eleven to 11.3 cycles induced waves of depressed agitation leading to riotous behavior.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 00:49:03 (EDT)
From: btdt
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: Re: da voice roll + other techs
Message:
As always, an outstanding presentation by the Proffessore Suchabanana!

Do you think Maharaji was smart enough to utilize these things? I remember people talking about how interested he was in gadgets, and built a computer way back when from radio shack or something. I live next door to some FBI people, maybe I could nicely ask them to run a video or two through a machine!

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 20:04:09 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: btdt
Subject: use your n4eighbors to the max
Message:
is their apt door number 42? is one a redheaded female? do they wear trench coats?

does the mailbox say mulder and scully?

seriously. bring them into the fold. we need them bad.

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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 19:48:20 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: Re: da voice roll + other techs
Message:
yeah--that was creepy. the voice rollmade me think of all those preachers they make fun of,sike on the Simpsons, who use that artificially pronounced voice

'now-a, wee alll-a want to be- SAAAAV!-d'a frommm dammmNAA-shonnnn-a. A-GIV!-a your soulsz to JAYzussss! LAY -a your sinzz, and be-a -HEE'ALLLLd'a

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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 21:07:46 (EDT)
From: LOL Janet, you got
Email: sylviecyn@yahoo.com
To: janet
Subject: dat Simpson preacher down pat!
Message:
What creeps me out is politicians and gurus learning this shit to place people in trances.

I was just watching CNN about the Condit case and a ''PR Expert Consultant'' or some such title was discussing the issue, event by horrible event and commenting on how Condit's PR was bad.

What a world....geezum crow...

How are you Janet? Email me sometime. It's above. How's your friend who was slipped a mickey?

Cynthia

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 06:00:18 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: LOL Janet, you got
Subject: he died and came back.
Message:
my friend recovered fully. thank him for the preacher voice. he does it better than i do.
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 18:39:19 (EDT)
From: such
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: link
Message:
http://www.ctyme.com/bwash/bwash.htm#e
[ http://www.ctyme.com/bwash/bwash.htm#e ]
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 17:12:15 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: pdconlon@hotmail.com
To: All
Subject: Steve,Carl, Bob,Ham,Joy,La-ex,Such,Janet
Message:
Please email me
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 19:49:27 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: sure pat-bout what????
Message:
you didnt say. you just wanna touch base for addresses?
I'm Jai_Choix@yahoo.com
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 03:21:17 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Re: sure pat-bout what????
Message:
he needs help chopping the vigeeis. Plus his curry is been playing on him :)
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 20:37:40 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: sure pat-bout what???? [nt]
Message:
Thanks, Janet. I'll email you.
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 16:35:36 (EDT)
From: Da Man
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Are you brave enough?
Message:
Brave enough, honest enough to take the challenge?

http://www.wordscanheal.org/

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 07:18:51 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Da Man
Subject: im sick of challenges
Message:
i have had it up to here with challenges. i am who I am and i didnt come here to win friends and popularity contests. keep your challenges. go sic em on other people. I'm retired.
got it?
good. there's the door. dont let it hitcha on your way out.
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 15:50:07 (EDT)
From: Wendy Miller
Email: wendy90034@yahoo.com
To: All
Subject: premie
Message:
I was a premie from Las Vegas from 1972 until 1974. I received knowledge from Mahatma Adharanand and went to Millenium 73. Please contact me. I also lived in WPC asram in Denver in 1972 and remember Bob Mishler very well. Thanks!
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 19:56:54 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Wendy Miller
Subject: Re: hey wendy-dont go!
Message:
are you afraid of reprisals from someone? sit and stay awhile. its nice here. we can talk openly, theres no freaks around shaming us for just speaking our minds, and theres folks here you might know from the old days. from denver alone, we have richard rogers, joy jaber, michaels donner and dettmers,...-me-....:), and a bunch i cant think to list. its much more fun out in the open. in email you only chat with one person at a time. in this nice open setting, you get to hear everybody's recollections, and it usually triggers things you wouldnt have otherwise remembered and said aloud.

here. have a seat. order something on me. the tea is good, the muffins are killer, and feel free to smoke if its your habit. we're open all night, 24-7. never close, bottomless coffeepot. the poetry readings are especially funny. come and hang out. its exciting (and exitting) here. we can be real.

what's your most vivd memory of denver back then?
me--the corner of race and 16th street in the afternoons when there were a hundred people on the lawn waiting for knowledge.

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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 17:55:34 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Wendy Miller
Subject: Re: premie
Message:
Welcome, Wendy:-) I don't know you as I lived in England, but I (and others) would be interested to hear your story. Have you checked out www.ex-premie.org? As well as lots of solid info on Maharaji and the cultural background of his teachings, there is a section of personal stories of former premies called Journeys.

Once again, Welcome!

John Brauns

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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 19:04:13 (EDT)
From: michael donner
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Re: premie
Message:
hi wendy...i was in denver from 1973-77; very vague memory of you...and of course the wpc ashram(s)..lemon, raja ji, et al. welcome.
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 21:24:35 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: michael donner
Subject: Hi!
Message:
Hi Wendy,

Don't think I know you, but as Janet said, have a seat if you wish, tell a few stories.

It's safe here. Just pay no attention to the trolls.

Cynthia Gracie

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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 15:39:01 (EDT)
From: Chuck S.
Email: None
To: All
Subject: A MUST READ...
Message:
This is very powerful stuff. This is a repost from Rich Mandrake in a post below. I'm reposting it here in it's own thread, because I feel it deserves the attention. This is very powerful stuff:Posted: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 11:12:17 (EDT)
Original: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:27:45 (EDT)
Posted by: RichMandrake Recipient: bdtd
Email Address: Not Provided
Browser Type: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win95; U)

Subject: The Michael Nouri Knowledge Hour
Message:

BTDT, You talked about watching the latest Knowledge Propagation Video with Personal Host and MC Michael Nouri....Ironically it was THAT Video, which I saw maybe 2 months ago...that was the Straw that Broke the Camels Back...I had been limping along carrying that heavy bag of rationalizations and irreconcilable beliefs on my Premie Shoulder...Still waiting for MahaRawat to FINALLY make sense of it all..Still Waiting to be able to FINALLY Surrender to the Living Perfect Master (I know its sick but DEEP Conditionings die hard).Always blaming myself for that chronic..Uneasy feeling...That Something just Wasnt Right..

I then walked in 5 minutes late to the Michael Nouri/MahaRawat Variety Show. MahaRawat was in the middle of explaining that it wasnt HIS fault that people had seen him as the Lord of all Creation...I immediately felt my Blood begin to Boil...This Had ALWAYS Been a sticking point to me...Why doesnt Maharaji JUST TELL THE TRUTH??!!..I had managed to suppress that desire/conflict/confusion to a great degree..But for some reason..THIS Time..to hear Maha/Rawat spout that Bullshit...was INTOLERABLE to Me!!...I found myself cursing myself for being late because I wanted to hear Maha/Rawat's FULL explanation/Deceit and the Church Lady who had called me to tell me about the video made sure to tell me that it was a special 'ONE Time Event'....The Video was segmented..and at the End of the segment Msr. Nouri came on...and very glibly explained what MahaRawat just had said and then briefly a page of bulleted writing came on the screen to spell it out for those of us..who may need to READ the Party line..to memorize it...
I found this all Disgusting!!!..Words fail me in Describing the Very Practiced..Polished yet Oily Doublespeak that Nouri was spouting with a Straight Face (what does this guy GET from it anyway?..Blondes, Cognac and Cuban Cigars?? )and the CLEAR Intend of it was for Maha/Rawat to Brainwash/Condition us Again...To Believe/Spout that Maharaji came to the West with a 'Simple Experience to Share' and it was the MAHATMAS who took that and started pranaming to Him and calling him the Lord...The Savior..All Powerful etc..MAHARAJI THATS AN OUTRIGHT LIE!!!

As The Video went on Nouri explained that we were seeing 'another side' of Maharaji. What I Was Seeing was a Very Smug..Condescending Flippant fat guy..Who was TELLING those poor souls lined up against the Walls in Atlanta How it Is...I Could Actually FEEL the Intimidation in the Air...As he Condescendingly talked about how everything is by the 'Courtesy' of the 'Master'..and explained how it used to be called the 'Grace' of the Master...(Obviously training us as to the New Premie Doublespeak of The Day)..

Something in me was just boiling..it was all so contrived..so unloving..so disrespectful of those in the room. Yet I saw my own chronic attitude of forced reverence and fear afflicting those sitting in the room. This feeling has alway been running like a underground river beneath the Bliss and Adoration of my personal Premiedom and apparently theirs also.
It was then that Maharaji somehow transformed right before my eyes...to the Liar..I now know him to be. The Video cut to a response Maha/Rawat was giving to a woman who apparently had the audacity to bring up the subject that he once claimed to be the 'Lord of the Universe' (the actual question was edited out..Im sure to spare us the full intensity of his deceit). His reply was given in a patronizing manner with MahaRawat with a straight face and almost completely covering over his distain, responded that (and i forgot the exact wording) WE had gone overboard and we should have just told everybody that Maharaji was a guy 'we loved to Death'..EXCUSE ME MAHARAJI?...Wasnt it YOU that had us sing to you every night 'Our Lords the SUPERIOR POWER IN PERSON??..Wasnt it You ..who on every inside flap of YOUR Proganda Rag 'And it is Divine' signed your name to a statement that there is 'Never a time when THE LORD OF ALL CREATION doesnt Manifest in a Human Body'.....

Well I didnt know it at the time but my former 'Lord and Savior' had just delivered the 'Coup de Gras' in severing my devotion to the Sick Belief System I had been merged with for the last 28 years. I sat through the rest of the Video..my heart pounding and my head racing. I then quickly exited the event went home and quickly distracted myself by either turning my TV or Computer on and focusing on other things until the feeling of Betrayal had passed.
Days passed. I didnt sit down to meditate (unusual for me). I could feel myself palpably upset with MahaRawat for his Deceits..yet not having anything to deprogram me from the overriding belief that he WAS the Lord and I wasnt...therefore even though he lied to me and disrespected me by his lies...somehow HE was right and I was Wrong. Even So..I was Angry at him for putting me in the position of having to try to devote myself to someone who would lie to me like that...Weeks passed...I didnt think much about this..but neither did I meditate ..or watch any of the Maha/Rawat Videos on my Shelf...Then..one night...almost unconciously...I was on my Computer..and typed in the Word Maharaji in a Search Engine. Rawat had conveniently made numerous website that spouted his propaganda and got them up front on the Search engines.(Im now SURE that this is a conscious Strategy on his/Ev's Part to keep people like me from FINDING what I found.)

What I Found is EX-PREMIE.ORG...God Bless You, Forever!!!...For the Next Days even weeks..I found myself Devouring the Pages and Posts of Mischler, Dettmers, Donners et Al...And as I Digested the Material, I FINALLY had the pieces of the Puzzle that had been missing, LO these MANY YEARS...I had the information to Deprogram myself ..from a belief ..that absent this website..I might have carried with me to My Grave...so THANK YOU AGAIN....those of you who have put up and supported this information....I am Grateful to You...your Courage and your HONESTY...in truthfully portraying and exposing the one who apparently so sadly is lacking in those qualities...
So BDTD, just thought you might be interested in hearing how that video effected another fellow formerly deluded traveler..Thanks for Listening...RichMandrake

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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 00:12:31 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com
To: Chuck S.
Subject: :: Egg McGuru ::
Message:
I'd like a McRawat and a side order of fries, please.
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Date: Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 00:14:08 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: oops@Ididitagain.com
To: a0aji
Subject: Re: :: Egg McGuru ::
Message:
I'd like a McRawat and a side order of fries, please.


---

The seed: 'MahaRawat'. The quote I forgot to include. Oops.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 06:01:03 (EDT)
From: The Creator
Email: None
To: Chuck S.
Subject: Just created a new section
Message:
The Michael Nouri Knowledge Hour - Why does'nt M JUST TELL THE TRUTH??!!..

on EPO for that very thread !!

Jean-Michel
[ Best of Forum Ever ]

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 11:38:41 (EDT)
From: RichMandrake
Email: None
To: The Creator
Subject: Creator, Im Honored but...
Message:
it wasn't me...but the RichMandrake IN me..that wrote that post...Seriously, I am very appreciative that my post resonated with so many of you, however, I would have liked to have at least cleaned up the grammatical and sentence structure errors before it got posted as 'The Best Ever'...DAMN..I hate it when that happens.
Creator, Might I suggest that you create a Heading such as 'THE VERY BEST of the Best..and put my post along with others in it. There are SO Many Ex-Premies who have Wrote Brilliant and Insightful Posts..and when you get a chance Im sure you'll find at least 3 or 4 Equally worthy.
Creator, I ask this not for myself, but for those equally worthy souls around me. I also am not liking the idea..that someday..soon most likely..Im going to get kicked out of my Position of the Best Ever...to the second best..then the Third...Its a LONG way down from the Top..;) Thank you, Creator, for Everything...RichMandrake

Creator, Im asking this of you

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 12:32:19 (EDT)
From: The Creator
Email: None
To: RichMandrake
Subject: You need to BEG AND PRAY
Message:
the who knows .... The courtesy of the master is infinite ....

JM

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 01:01:02 (EDT)
From: BTDT
Email: None
To: Chuck S.
Subject: Re: A MUST READ...
Message:
Oh my god, thank you so much for writing this. You are able to articulate the very core of what this is like. No wonder I kept falling asleep in that video. It was like something in me just kept shutting off and no matter how hard I tried, was completely helpless.
So I was appalled, bewildered and put to sleep every two seconds!
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 19:30:26 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Chuck S.
Subject: Simply the BEST forum post ever...
Message:
Thanks Rich and thanks Chuck for making sure we read it.

I could smell the fear, the anger, the pain, and the blinkers lifting. Vivid memories for me and probably many others. If this doesn't go into a Mandrake 'journeys' post, it deserves some other permanent presence... on the **BEST** of forum page, at least.

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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 22:41:25 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Tagging it *** Best of Forum ***
Message:
Makes my life easier when I check the archives ......
JM
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 16:56:23 (EDT)
From: silvia
Email: None
To: Chuck S.
Subject: WHOW!!!
Message:
What a powerful, honest post!

LIAR MAHARAJI SUCKS!

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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 16:07:29 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Chuck S.
Subject: I agree:post this on EPO page
Message:
Thanks Rich, that was beautifully written and should be posted on the EPO page. We could entitle the link, recent letters of premies leaving the fold or something like that. I feel so bad that he had to hear the revisionism that way, so insulting to any of us who knew Maha in the earlier days. Bastard that Maha is and SHAME on NOURI.
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 16:27:42 (EDT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: Re: I agree:post this on EPO page
Message:
I havent seen the video - but have heard the rumblings in premiedum. Rawfat can be so blind.
He should watch old tapes of Tammy Baker and co- so he can realise that even premies can smell a used - car- salesman -rat.
It is disturbing how he can think everybody is so stupid.!!!
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 17:21:50 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Zelda
Subject: Re: I agree:post this on EPO page
Message:
Zelda: How are the current premies expressing their concern? I wonder how they rationalize it. Do you think the current premies are still premies but being cautious like a person who suspects their relationship is insincere but not yet over? Any further explanation will be appreciated.
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 19:55:51 (EDT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: Re: I agree:post this on EPO page
Message:
Hi Deborah
From what I have seen they are not pro-active in their thinking and dont voice objections in a group.
But individuals have body language and facial expressions of uncertainty when the subject of the video is raised.
But they dont say much as critisim - There is a cycle to the conversation one or two joke about thats the 'not how they remember it.'.and there are a couple that point out that it is an embarrasing EV used car PR exercise.
Usually there is one blissful premie that pipes up with the party line (about how flawed 'we' all are) and that seems to silence the group and they all get those silly looks on their faces- simulating lobotomy . But it is obvious to me that the peer group mindset takes over at that point.
The good thing is that the subject doesnt go away and each week is different.

But premies dont openly converse about it in front of me- but I listen alot and I dont bring it up unless spoken to in confidence.

I know they have been unsettled by the video and Rawflat's denial of the guru is greater than god pr.
And I have heard the exs defended - in the context that they know we are not upset because the Hindu trappings wer discouraged.
Overall- how EV is handling the whole thing seems to be the interest point.
They seem to have identified the spin re 'exs are out to destroy the cult'

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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:24:58 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: All
Subject: janet
Message:
I lost your last e-mail. E-mail problems, can you send it again and include your first message with it,

Ta ta

p.s. CACA, get F***ed

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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 20:06:20 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Re: janet-the secure one??
Message:
is this referring to the one i sent you by encrypted delivery?
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 20:13:39 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: i posted the above--oops
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 03:17:16 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: yep ,,,,,,,nt
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:01:17 (EDT)
From: Loco
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Boris is still linking to CAC
Message:
These two links show that Boris and CAC are still linked to the same web directory,

http://stopcyberstalkers.org/boris_k//home.htm
http://stopcyberstalkers.org/boris_k/

Compare this to Boris current url

http://kontchalovski.da.ru/

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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 20:12:49 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Loco
Subject: Re: Boris-face of our accuser-see4yself
Message:
for those who like to do their work at a distance, or have beleif in remote influence, here' his picture to focus on:

go to
http://stopcyberstalkers.org/boris_k//me.htm

or
CLICK HERE

pretty angry and intense character.

wonder if he was convinced by this 'cat' of this notions that we are all criminal minds?

sigh. a russian, of all people. you'd think they would be the first to want to see frauds toppled.
[ this is what he looks like ]
[ Graphic Link ]

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Date: Thurs, Sep 06, 2001 at 13:09:45 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Thanks Janet [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 08:56:40 (EDT)
From: Loco
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Boris is still linking to CAC
Message:
These two links show that Boris and CAC are still linked to the same web directory,

http://stopcyberstalkers.org/boris_k//home.htm
http://stopcyberstalkers.org/boris_k/

Compare this to Boris current url

http://kontchalovski.da.ru/

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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:50:25 (EDT)
From: Bonk
Email: None
To: Loco
Subject: Re: Boris is still linking to CAC
Message:
da.ru is just a redirection service. Any web site can have the da.ru domain.
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:23:21 (EDT)
From: Bonk
Email: None
To: Bonk
Subject: and
Message:
Boris is no more in Russia than you are. The homepage is just a made-up page with photos lifted from other web sites.
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:22:56 (EDT)
From: Loco
Email: None
To: Bonk
Subject: Re: Boris is still linking to CAC
Message:
Are you thick?

I am not talking about da.ru, the first two links are what am talking about. Da Boris has not removed these links from his main directory, which means that the information on CAC could still be there under a different directory.

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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:25:04 (EDT)
From: Bonk
Email: None
To: Loco
Subject: No you are thick
Message:
You are thick for not explaining what you meant in your first post. Very thick and stupid, I'd say.
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Date: Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:32:27 (EDT)
From: Loco
Email: None
To: Bonk
Subject: Re: No you are thick
Message:
Oh yeah, well stick it where it hurts most. As if am runing a bloody classroom for you. As far as to where Boris is, duhh, did you figure that out by yourself or did you ask for help.
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