Ex-Premie Forum 7 Archive
From: Aug 21, 2001 To: Aug 24, 2001 Page: 5 of: 5


And On Anand Ji -:- The King is Dead! Long Live the King! -F6 -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:03:23 (EDT)
__ a0aji -:- Constant Threat: Diaspora -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 11:29:14 (EDT)
__ a0aji -:- EPO still points to old forum 6 -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 11:11:22 (EDT)
__ __ a0aji -:- Pretty slick, slick! Tnx [nt] -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 11:48:45 (EDT)
__ __ JHB -:- Not any more -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 11:33:09 (EDT)
__ __ __ a0aji -:- oops. Pretty slick, slick! Tnx [nt] -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 11:50:26 (EDT)

a0aji -:- The Tracking of Shut-Downs topic -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 09:59:01 (EDT)
__ JohnT -:- Love and respect -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 18:23:03 (EDT)

BeenThereDoemThat -:- How much did CAC cost -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 09:50:38 (EDT)
__ anon -:- Re: How much did CAC cost -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:44:50 (EDT)
__ __ Richard -:- 'Boris' is fictional -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 13:04:02 (EDT)
__ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Hidden costs - 100,000 dollars -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 14:13:12 (EDT)

BeenThereDoneThat -:- How do I link here -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 09:41:36 (EDT)
__ btdt -:- Re: How do I link here -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 13:43:55 (EDT)
__ __ Pat:C) -:- Amazing Grace -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 14:56:44 (EDT)
__ Dermot -:- Just bookmark it -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:28:23 (EDT)
__ a0aji -:- Re: How do I link here -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:28:19 (EDT)
__ __ a0aji -:- test link (embedded HTML test) -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:37:49 (EDT)
__ __ __ a0aji -:- Embedded HTML links work fine! -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:42:44 (EDT)

Joey -:- Interestimg article on cybercrime -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 09:08:30 (EDT)
__ Joey -:- and a little comment -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 09:15:26 (EDT)
__ __ a0aji -:- Re: and a little comment -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 17:17:45 (EDT)
__ __ __ Jowy -:- Re: and a little comment -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 19:55:54 (EDT)

JIM letter to caca -:- brought here by Silvia -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 08:56:48 (EDT)

From F7 -:- GOOD POST of SALAM -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 08:54:59 (EDT)
__ Robyn -:- Re: GOOD POST of SALAM -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 20:05:29 (EDT)

silvia -:- On CONTROL -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 08:52:59 (EDT)

Zelda -:- ex tactics vs p tactics -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 07:31:06 (EDT)
__ a0aji -:- Re: ex tactics vs p tactics -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 16:57:21 (EDT)
__ anonymous -:- very good point -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 15:01:28 (EDT)

(name withheld-fear of Rawat Cult) -:- ' Not a fucking leaf moves' -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:33:06 (EDT)
__ (Name withheld-fear of Rawat cult) -:- and for Seinfeld Fans -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 06:49:56 (EDT)

JohnT -:- for the CAC spite site authors -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 04:40:48 (EDT)
__ JohnT -:- Unholy Trinity -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 08:22:23 (EDT)

saucy -:- To the ex-AGers -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:34:19 (EDT)

arlos -:- ood luck to you exes in your new home forum. -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:27:42 (EDT)
__ Jim -:- Thank you, Carlos, I'm sure -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 15:21:23 (EDT)
__ __ Carlos -:- Jim, I mostly disliked the term 'hate club' -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 17:44:12 (EDT)
__ zac -:- may o naise [nt] -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 11:58:40 (EDT)
__ TO ARLOS -:- Re: ood luck to you exes in your new home forum. -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 06:48:38 (EDT)
__ __ you slimey scum -:- we got u now -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:00:46 (EDT)
__ __ __ Premie -:- copy my post -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:35:53 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Gus the block and tackle guy -:- Re: copy my post -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 12:01:53 (EDT)
__ blubber -:- Re: ood luck to you exes in your new home forum. -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:38:44 (EDT)

it-IS-so -:- just to let u know -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:19:50 (EDT)
__ Cynthia -:- To EV Monitors -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 09:18:36 (EDT)

JHB -:- Way is the latest CAC target -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:06:00 (EDT)
__ suchabanana -:- fascist cult fear tactics vs. legitimacy -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 06:00:46 (EDT)
__ __ Dermot -:- Apologies, Such -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 17:34:55 (EDT)
__ __ Jim -:- Excellente! -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 15:29:50 (EDT)
__ __ a0aji -:- nice. [nt] -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 12:17:19 (EDT)
__ __ Richard -:- **Best Of F7** already! -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:51:32 (EDT)
__ Pat:C) -:- Way to go Way. Congrats - nt -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:27:50 (EDT)
__ Jim -:- Way?? Who's next? Katie? -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:19:29 (EDT)
__ __ Pat:C) -:- 14 objections and Dettmers posts -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:26:45 (EDT)
__ __ salam -:- Re: Way?? Who's next? Katie? -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:25:58 (EDT)

suchabanana -:- Jeremiah -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:41:05 (EDT)

Barry! -:- Hey folks! -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 01:49:27 (EDT)

Selene -:- hey gerry -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 00:25:52 (EDT)
__ Sbesmart -:- Re: hey gerry -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 06:49:45 (EDT)
__ salam -:- Re: hey Selene -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:50:26 (EDT)
__ Jim -:- And could you please reverse the colours? -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 01:15:35 (EDT)
__ __ JohnT -:- Yes, please. And ... -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:14:51 (EDT)
__ __ __ a0aji -:- Re: Yes, please. And ... -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 12:22:14 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ gerry -:- Re: Yes, please. And ... -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 13:24:07 (EDT)

Pat:C) -:- Who authored CAC? -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:49:45 (EDT)
__ Richard -:- Good going Pat -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 11:49:19 (EDT)
__ Peter Howie -:- Re: Who authored CAC? -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:41:46 (EDT)
__ __ Pat:C) -:- thanks Peter now you know why -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:54:44 (EDT)
__ __ __ Vic Bitter -:- Re: thanks Peter now you know why -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 04:35:00 (EDT)
__ Jim -:- Good post, Pat -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 01:14:03 (EDT)
__ __ Dermot -:- Yep Jim a few intersting question marks NT -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 06:37:13 (EDT)
__ __ Pat:C) -:- Just read your letter to CAC host -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:44:25 (EDT)
__ __ __ a0aji -:- bully tactics online -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 12:54:02 (EDT)

McYouKnowWho! -:- Why CAC is YOUR fault -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:16:55 (EDT)
__ SBYE -:- Re: Why CAC is YOUR fault -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 06:45:25 (EDT)
__ Dermot -:- Don't EVER let me know who u r fuckface -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 06:40:38 (EDT)
__ don puerco -:- Re: Why CAC is YOUR fault -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:57:01 (EDT)
__ Barry -:- Hey Mc you know your stupid! -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 01:52:30 (EDT)
__ Carl -:- Such a loving little premie! / nt -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 01:39:05 (EDT)
__ Jim -:- This post deserves a reply -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:45:47 (EDT)
__ anon -:- Re: Why CAC is YOUR fault -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:23:17 (EDT)

Carl -:- My guess: CAC issued indirectly from M -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:56:36 (EDT)
__ Barry -:- It's gotta be. -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 01:54:58 (EDT)
__ Silvia -:- SO WHAT? -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:09:27 (EDT)
__ Roger eDrek -:- Indeed they spent a lot of time on that -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 21:07:12 (EDT)
__ __ Carl -:- Weren't there 'hints' that something was brewing?? -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 21:20:54 (EDT)
__ __ __ a0aji -:- Re: Weren't there 'hints' that someth.. -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:29:00 (EDT)

Deborah -:- Regarding the preamble -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:38:38 (EDT)
__ Silvia -:- GOOD IDEA! NT -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:10:34 (EDT)
__ __ Selene (very tired) -:- Re: GOOD IDEA! -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 00:20:24 (EDT)
__ __ __ s -:- Re: GOOD IDEA! -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 08:51:57 (EDT)
__ __ __ JohnT -:- watching the defectives -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 08:06:20 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ BeenThereDoneThat -:- Re: watching the defectives -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 13:42:37 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ sb -:- Re: watching the defectives -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 08:50:21 (EDT)

JHB -:- Well done with F7 -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:14:58 (EDT)
__ gerry -:- this is a democracy -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:33:40 (EDT)
__ __ CD -:- Re: this is a democracy -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:47:11 (EDT)
__ __ __ gerry -:- Is Jim your nominee then, Chris? -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:59:23 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ CD -:- Re: Is Jim your nominee then, Chris? -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:08:03 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Get the fuck out of here -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 21:45:32 (EDT)

Francesca -:- GERRY kudos! -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:27:49 (EDT)
__ Deborah -:- Good job man -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:48:35 (EDT)

Selene -:- Please Read - important -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:07:25 (EDT)
__ hamzen -:- And lets not duplicate huh! -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:30:15 (EDT)
__ __ Selene -:- please do keep it up -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:47:38 (EDT)

Pat:C) -:- CAC in deep doodoo: damages non-premie -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:53:39 (EDT)
__ Barry -:- Pat! I never realised how much... -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 01:57:43 (EDT)
__ __ Pat:C) -:- Barry you wouldn't like my porn -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:48:19 (EDT)
__ Deborah -:- Spot on Pat :) -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:41:00 (EDT)
__ Selene -:- yes!!! go Pat -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:07:16 (EDT)

Cynthia -:- 'I worship the quicksand he walks in.' -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:37:52 (EDT)

Pat:C) -:- Well done, Gerry! Thanks - NT -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:36:36 (EDT)

suchabanana -:- da infamous caca Lardus -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:24:14 (EDT)

Silvia -:- F&^%$##@#@*& YOU MAHARAJI -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:24:00 (EDT)
__ don puerco -:- Re: F&^%$##@#@*& YOU MAHARAJI -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:59:20 (EDT)
__ __ and u 2 -:- Re: F&^%$##@#@*& YOU MAHARAJI -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 08:51:18 (EDT)
__ __ JohnT -:- Blowing smoke -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 08:15:05 (EDT)

Rick -:- Hello gErRy -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:19:44 (EDT)

Mr. Mind -:- An old expression -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:56:35 (EDT)

Roger eDrek -:- We have not yet begun to fight -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:56:31 (EDT)
__ a0aji -:- Rawat owes me 20 years -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:53:36 (EDT)
__ Deborah -:- Thank goodness you are here -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:47:53 (EDT)
__ Mr. Mind -:- Damn, you beat me ! -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:57:36 (EDT)
__ __ Bob (o) -:- Hi folks! -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:35:11 (EDT)


Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:03:23 (EDT)
From: And On Anand Ji
Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com
To: All
Subject: The King is Dead! Long Live the King! -F6
Message:
Forum 6 appears to be retired from service.

::::: moment of silence ::::::

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 11:29:14 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com
To: And On Anand Ji
Subject: Constant Threat: Diaspora
Message:
By making Forums controlled by one person only, we open ourselves
up to the constant threat of diaspora.
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 11:11:22 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: And On Anand Ji
Subject: EPO still points to old forum 6
Message:
Ex-Premie.Org still points to the old forum in it's preforum page.
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 11:48:45 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: Pretty slick, slick! Tnx [nt]
Message:
asdf
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 11:33:09 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: Not any more
Message:
EPO links updated.
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 11:50:26 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: oops. Pretty slick, slick! Tnx [nt]
Message:
asdf
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 09:59:01 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com
To: All
Subject: The Tracking of Shut-Downs topic
Message:
At 9:55 this morning (EDT) I got an 'Internal
Server Error' from the Apache web server at
Forum 6, when I tried to post there.

This is the tracking topic, for posts regarding
sporadic service, when you think a given server
we use is down for repair or administrative
reasons.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 18:23:03 (EDT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: Love and respect
Message:
At 9:55 this morning (EDT) I got an 'Internal
Server Error' from the Apache web server at
Forum 6, when I tried to post there.

This is the tracking topic, for posts regarding
sporadic service, when you think a given server
we use is down for repair or administrative
reasons.


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Sir Dave,

Your spirit moves on. Within me, without me.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 09:50:38 (EDT)
From: BeenThereDoemThat
Email: None
To: All
Subject: How much did CAC cost
Message:
Anyone have an estimate how much it would cost to launch something like this? Visions put out a call to the Indian community two weeks ago for thousands of dollars to pay an 'upaid bill'.
Who knows if that was legit or not.
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:44:50 (EDT)
From: anon
Email: None
To: BeenThereDoemThat
Subject: Re: How much did CAC cost
Message:
Anyone have an estimate how much it would cost to launch something like this? Visions put out a call to the Indian community two weeks ago for thousands of dollars to pay an 'upaid bill'.
Who knows if that was legit or not.


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It's about $100 for a domain name and name service for a year,
plus $20/month for the web site's hosting.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 13:04:02 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: anon
Subject: 'Boris' is fictional
Message:
The more I think it over, 'Boris', the supposed website designer is a a fictional character. As make believe as the religion M has created. The Russian Navy photo, borscht recipes and Russian political jokes are a nice touch, though. Very clever in a David Koresh sort of way. The fact that this person or persons have targeted a group of dissidents in this way, and with such obvious malice, points to the fear that a cult can engender. But to your question on cost, anyone with a few bucks can pretend he is a real man and true devotee. Certainly there will be a comfy couch for them in M's corner of the afterlife. A sad, sick puppy indeed.
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 14:13:12 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Hidden costs - 100,000 dollars
Message:
or more. Most of the work was probably unpaid service but some of it was done by EV monitors who observed the expremies for years and sifted through the archives to find quotes that could be twisted out of context. In manhours this represents thousands of dollars. Probably most of it was unpaid slave labor (service) but the EV monitors of course are on salary and receive health benefits and pensions (I hope for their sake because they are unemployable when they leave the cult.)

Yes, Richard I was just getting a bit bored with rehashing the same old topics on F6 when CAC farted. I'm re-energized but can't do too much for the next few weeks as I am still on my summer 14 hour day schedule. But after that - yoohoo.

PatC hater of Snakes.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 09:41:36 (EDT)
From: BeenThereDoneThat
Email: None
To: All
Subject: How do I link here
Message:
Good Grief! This is all too much.....could it be the M's kids and friends are finding too much info here? That premies are getting real info?

I remember in the early days at programs in Miami and LA these weird fanatic christians would be outside the halls with posters and literature 'Beware of wolf in sheep's clothing.' I thought how nasty, hard, fanatical and evil they seemed. This CAC is exactly in the same category. 'Protecting' Maharaji? This makes him seem worse than any former premie could have imagined doing.

So for a computer incompetant, how do I come here in the future?

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 13:43:55 (EDT)
From: btdt
Email: None
To: BeenThereDoneThat
Subject: Re: How do I link here
Message:
Thanks everyone.....I was lost!
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 14:56:44 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: btdt
Subject: Amazing Grace
Message:
Thanks everyone.....I was lost!


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But now you're found.

I think your idea that the holy kids may be involved sounds plausible. They have a lot of time on their hands and a lot of money and toys to lose.

Sorry you had to see the ugly face of the cult so soon after exiting. Most of my premie friends are now realizing that it is a cult like Scientology. I tried to tell them that the higher -ups in EV were creepy and amoral but they did not know them like I did. Now they know.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:28:23 (EDT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: BeenThereDoneThat
Subject: Just bookmark it
Message:
BDDT ....if you are using IE I think they call bookmark 'favourites' or netscape 'bookmarks' ......just click the bookmarks while you are here on the forum and 'add it' to your bookmarked folders.......then when you log on click bookmark and then click the forum.

Cheers

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:28:19 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com
To: BeenThereDoneThat
Subject: Re: How do I link here
Message:
Good Grief! This is all too much.....could it be the M's kids and friends are finding too much info here? That premies are getting real info?

I remember in the early days at programs in Miami and LA these weird fanatic christians would be outside the halls with posters and literature 'Beware of wolf in sheep's clothing.' I thought how nasty, hard, fanatical and evil they seemed. This CAC is exactly in the same category. 'Protecting' Maharaji? This makes him seem worse than any former premie could have imagined doing.

So for a computer incompetant, how do I come here in the future?


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You would just type the correct URL for this place into your
web browser. Once you arrive here, use your Bookmark function,
to remember this place to a bookmark. Here's the URL:

http://www.hotboards.com/plus/plus.mirage?who=gl

I'm guessing that can't be embedded into a click-able hyperlink,
in this forum (because it is the less-expensive version of the
same thing we had in F6).

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:37:49 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: test link (embedded HTML test)
Message:
Forum 7

Test of linking, using the older method (embedded HTML tags).

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:42:44 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com
To: a0aji
Subject: Embedded HTML links work fine!
Message:
Yeah, that works fine. Interesting because as I read the quoted
text from my previous message, it shows me my embedded HTML!

So if you don't understand how to author embedded HTML tags in
your messages, you can easily read the source from someone
else's work.

Note: they replace every double-quotation with a single, for
some reason. Change them back to double quotations in your
HTML.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 09:08:30 (EDT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Interestimg article on cybercrime
Message:
Cybercrime bite starting to hurt, says EDS

By Michael MacMillan
IT World Canada

Criminal use of technology is not only putting a serious dent in worldwide economic productivity, it’s also pushing police resources to the limit, according to one cybercrime expert.

Bill Bogart, vice-president in the global law enforcement program with EDS in Washington, D.C., is in Saskaton this week to speak to the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police about the issue at that groups annual general meeting and conference. The security veteran said his message to them would be the same one he’s been telling the law enforcement community for years — that tackling cybercrime is fast becoming a number one priority, and it is one of the most difficult tasks facing them.

“Cybercrime is all new. It’s not replacing something, it’s come as fast as the technology has. I kid about the term, but there aren’t that many sheriffs on the information highway,” Bogart said.

There are more than enough criminals, however. Causing mayhem on computer networks is nothing new, starting with the days of the lone programmer hacking for kicks. But Bogart said that has steadily evolved into today’s much more organized — and dangerous — hacker networks.

Bogart points to the Code Red worm, already estimated to have caused at least US$3 billion in lost productivity worldwide, as the work of well-organized experts.

'That is probably one of the most devastating activities we’ve seen on the Internet,” he said.

Perhaps more disturbing than the hackers is the growing appeal of technology in organized crime circles.

According to Bogart, groups in Russia and Eastern Europe, as well as the Mafia and South American drug cartels regularly use the Internet to transfer money wirelessly across borders, manipulate the stock market and communicate with each other anonymously.

As well, human smugglers are creating sophisticated network links to coordinate everything from ship landings to payments.

“The Internet and the ability to do electronic banking almost anywhere in the world. Not only has it expedited commerce and the economy, it’s also assisted those involved in illegal transfers,” he said.

The mix of organized crime and high-tech has created a new brand of criminal activity Bogart calls cyber-extortion. It’s one he said will quickly outstrip viruses as the number one cybercrime threat.

“There was quite a ring that was operating out of Eastern Europe and that was breaking into databases getting credit card numbers. Then they would come to you and say ‘We’d like a job as a consultant because I think you have 25,000 credit card numbers that have been scanned. Here’s a couple of them. Check it out’.

“That happens. That has happened, and now you have a corporation that has to decide where the balance is between things like embarrassment and trust and how you are going to tackle those kinds of difficulties,” he said.

However, not all of Bogart’s message in Regina will be so grim. He has nothing but high praise for the private sector, which he said is spending the time and money required to help police track down cybercriminals — even at the risk of public embarrassment. Police are also doing an admirable job, he said, despite struggling to build up the necessary resources to investigate cybercrime.

Law enforcement agencies typically have a much harder time attracting qualified IT workers, said Bogart, as they offer generally lower salaries and little opportunity for training or promotions

He also lauded the Canadian government for taking the problem seriously.

“I think Canada has certainly done a much better mob than the U.S.,” he said. “I think in Canada the government is very committed to e-government, e-commerce, whatever term you want to use.”

Bogart’s visit coincides with the release Friday of Criminal Intelligence Service Canada’s (CISC) annual report on organized crime. In it, CISC (a collection of local and national police forces) concludes that organized crime is using high-tech equipment to observe the police as they track them. CISC indicated that it’s only a matter of time before criminals start using hackers to their advantage.

CISC also reported some good news: For the first time since 1990, a decrease is being reported in the total dollar loss associated with credit card fraud in Canada. The dollar loss figure reported for 2000 is $172.5 million compared with $226.7 million for 1999.

However, CISC indicated that credit card fraud is international in scope and ongoing investigations show that sophisticated organized criminals in Canada continue to operate and profit at both the national and international levels. In 2000, 33 per cent of Canadian Visa and MasterCard credit card fraud occurred outside of the country.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 09:15:26 (EDT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: Joey
Subject: and a little comment
Message:
According to Bogart, groups in Russia and Eastern Europe, as well as the Mafia and South American drug cartels regularly use the Internet to transfer money wirelessly across borders, manipulate the stock market and communicate with each other anonymously.

Well I think we can now understand why the cult used an ISP in Russia to deliver their CAC.
And I really wonder what we'll find out about CAC on our own, unless law enforcement become involved.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 17:17:45 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: Joey
Subject: Re: and a little comment
Message:
According to Bogart, groups in Russia and Eastern Europe, as well as the Mafia and South American drug cartels regularly use the Internet to transfer money wirelessly across borders, manipulate the stock market and communicate with each other anonymously.

Well I think we can now understand why the cult used an ISP in Russia to deliver their CAC.
And I really wonder what we'll find out about CAC on our own, unless law enforcement become involved.


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I don't think we're dealing with a rocket scientist.

I know lots of people who are skilled in various disciplines related
to the phenomenon we're seeing on that web site (which I decline to
characterize further here). The people I know with the skillset needed to evade law enforcement have a much stronger command of the written language, since primarily they are programmers. Whoever this
fool is, they're not a mastermind.

So -- no point in teaching them anything they don't yet know, eh?

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 19:55:54 (EDT)
From: Jowy
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: Re: and a little comment
Message:
Whoever this
fool is, they're not a mastermind.

That wasn't the point of the post.

These guys may not be 'masterminds' as such, but they're certainly budding criminals.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 08:56:48 (EDT)
From: JIM letter to caca
Email: None
To: All
Subject: brought here by Silvia
Message:
Posted: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:36:56 (EDT)
Original: NA
Posted by: Jim Recipient: All
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Subject: My letter to CAC's ISP
Message:

Dear sir:

I'm writing to complaing about a website hosted, I believe, on oyur server or a server that is somehow part of your internet domain. The site is called 'Citizens Against Cyberstalking' ('CAC') . The URL is:

http://www.stopcyberstalkers.org

My name is Jim Heller and I am listed on the site as a 'cyberstalker'. I can advise you that I strongly believe that the contents of the page concerning myself (as well as others, which I'll address below) are grossly inaccurate and clearly defamatory. I insist, therefore, that you do somethig immediately, in particular, removing all references to me (and others as I'll explain) and providing me with the names, addresses and other contact information of the people responsible for this website so that I may pursue further action as necessary.

By way of background, I am a criminal lawyer in Victoria, British Columbia. I am also a former member of a religious cult, Elan Vital. Elan Vital, once Divine Light Mission, consists of followers of the hindu spiritual guru, Maharaji (earlier known as Guru Maharaj Ji). Maharaji once claimed to be the 'Lord of the Universe'. As such, he demanded an extremely high level of sacrifice and dedication in his followers. For example, I spent eight years living in his monastic order on the premise that he was indeed who he claimed to be. I was able to extricate myself eventually but the psychological, physical and financial costs I suffered were significant.

Others, unfortuantely, were less fortunate. For one thing, many spent even longer -- decades, in some cases -- in the cult. Worse, others still suffered real psychological breakdowns. There were a number of suicides and it now comes to light that there was rampant sexual abuse that was, at minimum, covered up by the cult and Maharaji. Meanwhile, it turns out, Maharaji himself just got richer and richer. Sad to say but not an untypical history of a cult leader charlatan.

In any event, there is now a sizeable 'ex-premie' (i.e. ex-follower) on-line presence, dedicated to telling the truth about the cult and its leader and confronting him, challenging him, essentially, with the truth of his depraved and hypocritical history and lifestyle. The main site for this on-line community is:

http://www.ex-premie.org/

It's taken a lot of work by a lot of dedicated people to begin to piece together the real picture. It turns out, as often happens in these situations, that Maharaji lead and continues to lead a secret life fully at odds with his public persona. This has been one of the themes the ex-premies have explored an publicized in hopes of pressuring him to stand accountable for how he exploited us all in various ways over the years. To date, however, Maharaji has, most cowardly, stonewalled his critics and left it to others to attempt to defend him. As you might expect, his cult members have tried to do so by attacking us, the former followers. The latest, and most egregious, chapter in their campaign is the CAC site.

CAC has compiled a list of 'The Worst Alleged Cyberstalkers'. Interestingly, eight of the eleven names mentioned are all ex-premies. The other three appear to be 'ringers', if you will, people who may indeed have raised some legitimate concern in some parts regarding possibly stalking activities but who seem to have made the list so as to create a bit of a smokescreen regarding the real targets of this site, the ex-premie community.

For myself, I can tell you in no uncertain terms that the material there about me is fully actionable. First, to characterize me as a 'stalker' of any kind is libelous. Maharaji is indeed a public figure. 28 years ago he hosted a grandiose event at the Houston Astrodome which he proclaimed the 'Most Significant Event in the History of Mankind' and to which he invited almost every major press organ in the western world. Indeed, he announced that he was in fact inaugurating a 'Thousand Years of Peace' for the world at that time, although, in truth, his 'mission' began to fall apart soon thereafter and is now a faint, miserable shell of its former, albeit fraudulent, self. My point, though, is that Maharaji is indeed a public figure who continues to tour the globe demanding unquestioning fealty from his followers (not to mention money). As such, he is subject to fair, vigorous criticism and commentary. If you'll examine the ex-premie site, you'll see that that is exactly the thrust and focus of its materials. My own contributions to the site and the discussions therein all fall in this category.

Much that is written about me on the CAC, however, violates my privacy and defames me in my professional capacity as a lawyer. There are several quotes attributed to me which, in the first place, hardly constitue 'stalking' by any stretch of the imagination and which, besides, are false and malicious. Even quotes of mine which may, in fact, be true are so out of context as to be laughable. Indeed, the site is, in some respects, laughable. The problem, however, is that I'm not just laughing.

For example, the site impugns my integrity and my professional ethics with respect to a recent trial I conducted. I can assure you that the offensive commentary there, implying that I somehow condoned or minimized some pretty ugly facts, is blatant libel. If you don't believe me, ask your lawyers. There's a famous case in Canada, in fact, in which the current leader of the federal opposition party made similar remarks about an opponent (who was also a criminal lawyer) and was forced to settle a defamation suit for hundreds of thousands of dollars. In my view, this attempt at character assassination, particularly in the context of branding me as a 'cyberstalker' will not be seen favourably by any court of law.

The site alleges a number of other things about me which are sheer fabrications or so far out of context. I won't explain them all at this point because, in my view, the entire reference to me is seriously offensive and must be removed. There is no place for some partial correction.

Then there are the others. I can assure you that, like in my case, the other ex-premies cited as 'cyberstalkers' are first, nothing of the kind and, second, egregiously misrepresented by the cult members responsifle for this mischief. Specifically, Salam Al-Ahmar, Michael Dettmers, Kevin Ketzner, Patrick Conlon, David Simpkiss, Jean-Michel Kahn and Gerry Lyng, are not the crazy, deranged, dangerous drug-addicts and worse described by the anonymous hosts of this ugly site. Hardly.

To make mattes worse, as I mentioned above, the site is guilty of some serious privacy invasions. Perhaps the most despicable is the publishing of home addresses, email addresses and phone numbers of these private individuals. David Simpkiss, in particular, I know is outraged by the posting of not just his own picture but that of his young daughter. Mr. Simpkiss is so concerned about this blatant and unlawful intimidation that he has desparately, in my opinion, offered to cancel the various web sites he hosts concerning Maharaji if only the CAC people would remove him (and his daughter's picture) from their site. Indeed, the CAC crew, always unnamed, have responded to his coerced offer as follows:

Mr. Simpkiss:

We at CAC have received your offer.

If you take the steps that you have outlined in your message and cease your cyberstalking activities, including:
- shutting down The Truth About Maharaji, Lord Maharaji's Domain AND
- shutting down all the public forums that you own at hotboard.com
- not transfering the websites and forums to any others
we will immediately remove from our web site your entire profile, the photo, and the metatags.

The public forums under your control are a gathering point for people to misuse the internet and to invade people's rights. If these people wish to assume the responsibility of doing so, they should do so from their own accord, not at your expense.

Send us an email indicating your complaince before noon, GMT, August 23 and we will immediately remove from our web site your entire profile, the photo, and the metatags.

Otherwise CAC activities will intensify.

CAC

If you haven't seen it before, trust me, this is classic cult intimidation. Because the cult can't dispute the information Mr. Simpkiss and others have publicized about them, they eventually turn to blackmail. If, in fact, the cult had any fair grievance with any of the materials published by me or any of the other alleged 'cyberstalkers' would not the best recourse have been to contact our own ISP's or even take legal action? Certainly it would. However, since the cult has no real argument and is simply trying to desparately conceal the truth from the public and its membership, it resorts to such vile, cowardly acts as hosting a website such as CAC.

In summary, then, I am asking that you deal with this problem with immediate dispatch. I'm sure that if you review the materials, you'll see how outlandish the CAC materials are, at least with respect to the ex-premies subject to this blatant attempt at character assassination.

I look forward to your prompt reply and advise you further that I will forward copies of this letter to relevant authorities as I see necessary.

Sincerely,

Jim Heller

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 08:54:59 (EDT)
From: From F7
Email: None
To: All
Subject: GOOD POST of SALAM
Message:
Posted: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:57:20 (EDT)
Original: NA
Posted by: salam Recipient: All
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Subject: Elan Vital as a Racist organization
Message:

I am not surprised to find that Cyberstalkers web site came online at the same time that a police investigation was carried out into my alleged involvement into an organized group of terrorist with the intent of causing bodly harm Guru Maharaji.

When I stand back and look at the total picture I can see that I make an easy target for EV and their puppets to pick on.

Firstly, my name is Middle Eastern,

Secondly, I come from the Middle East; thus I am a very likely candidate to be a terrorists.

That being the case I am also being portrait as anti-Semitic and so am inclined to lean towards anti-Israeli sentiments and therefore co-operating with Palestinian activist. This is the act of a shit-stirrer that is doing more damage to the world by raising hatred and setting ethnic groups against each other. I have known many Jews in my life and contrary to what the shit-stirrer claims I have never treated them with disrespect neither did they. In fact many of the Jews that I knew have invited me into their home and treated me as if I was one of their family.

The precautions of what the shit-stirrer is doing are many folds and can lead to dire consequences. I can vouch for that, because once you've seen it, you'll be hunted by it forever.

This is the message that I am getting from EV.

But where does all this come from?

Well the way I look at it is simple, whoever is writing this stuff is a stereoscopic blind racists that is pushing all the wrong buttons to appear smart and gather support. Considering the sensitive situation in the Middle East, one can see where this is leading. Whoever is the idiot that is behind the Cyberstalker web site knows this and is cashing on it. This is the same fascist tactic that Nazi Germany used against the Jews.

In my life I have tried to avoid confrontations such as these, but the stupidity of EV is nothing but overwhelming. I've lived half of my life being threatened by regimes that have no respect for life and were people got treated as cattle. I have refused to give in and am proud to say that I have come a long way to being a human being. EV is trying to push me back into the cage that I came out from and there is no way in hell that is going to happen. Am not a political activist and I will never be one, yet this is exactly what EV smear campaign is trying to portray me as, but maybe that is not true. In the country that I came from I tried to propagate knowledge. I only stopped for fear of my life when friends advised me that certain agencies were getting interested in what I was doing.

I condemn the behavior of the writer of Cyberstalker as racist and most dangerous and as such I have made copies of the offending posts and will be taking the allegations to:

The Australian Anti-discrimination Board,
the Australian Ombudsman,
The Department of Ethnic Affairs,
the Department of Consumer Affairs and the
Australian Copyright Agency to resolve the issue.

I don't tolerate racism nor discrimination against anybody or myself neither I will allow anyone to accuse me as being such.

EV and their puppets are weaving lies against my person because there is no doubt that they are afraid of being exposed to what they really are by exes and me. Their constant lies, denial and refusal to face the truth is a thorn in their side and will the cause of their downfall as has been demonstrated over and over.

EV's backup of such tactics of racism and intimidation in this affair is obvious for anyone to see as they have not taken any action or given advice to the writers of the alleged website to desist from making such racists remarks and lies.

It is well known to all followers of Guru Maharaji, that no website is lunched on the Internet without prior confirmation from EV and I have the evidence to prove it.

And Maharaji, at one point I would have given my life for you. Now I feel sorry for you to have scummed to such a level, if there is a god I hope he will forgive you.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 20:05:29 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: From F7
Subject: Re: GOOD POST of SALAM
Message:
Dear Salam,
Is your written English getting better or are you more articulate when you are fired up?!!! Excellent post! I wish a bit of it could get through the thick skulls at EV.
Love ya,
Robyn
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 08:52:59 (EDT)
From: silvia
Email: None
To: All
Subject: On CONTROL
Message:
ON CONTROL AND LYING
____________________

THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can
write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you
can control anybody is to lie to them. When you find an individual
is lying to you, you know that the individual is trying to control
you. One way or another this individual is trying to control
you. That is the mechanism of control. This individual is lying to
you because he is trying to control you - because if they give you
enough misinformation they will pull you down the tone scale so that
they can control you. Conversely, if you see an impulse on the part
of a human being to control you, you know very well that that human
being is lying to you. Not 'is going to', but 'is' lying to you.

[last sentence is underlined in original]

Check these facts, you will find they are always true. That person
who is trying to control you is lying to you. He's got to tell you
lies in order to continue control, because the second you start
telling anybody close to the truth, you start releasing him and
he gets tougher and tougher to control. So, you can't control
somebody without telling them a bunch of lies. You will find that
very often Command has this as its greatest weakness. It will try to
control instead of leading. The next thing you know, it is lying to
the [illegible]. Lie, lie, lie, and it gets worse and worse, and all
of a sudden the thing blows up. Well, religion has done this.
[Following sentence is underlined] Organised religion
tries to control, so therefore must be lying. [end underline]
After a while it figures out (even itself) that it is lying, and then
it starts down tone scale further and further, and all of a sudden
people get down along this spring-like bottom (heresy) and say,
'Are we going into apathy and die, or are we going to revolt?'
and they revolt, because you can only lie to people so long.
Unfortunately there is always a new cycle of lying.

L. Ron Hubbard
Technique 88

MAHARAJI IS A LIAR!

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 07:31:06 (EDT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: All
Subject: ex tactics vs p tactics
Message:
It amazes me that the premie have put personal info about exs on the net and distorted facts.
Dont they realise that exs know ALOT about individual premies.
ie DIRTY laundry . Drug use , dealing , shady business deals , lawsuits, prosecutions, wife beating , child abuse, the list goes on.
Premies are Not immune to these problems in their lives and I for one think that the exs have been pretty considerate by keeping the focus on the cult and NOT playing silly games with private lives.
If exs were to stoop so low as to start to publish a Premie Dirty Laundry site, including names , how would that go down? It would make for some very juicy reading (and exs would not need to embelish.)
BTW I am not suggesting that exs do such a thing.
The exs have fought clean so far and the premies should consider how well we know premies and what kind of damage exs could do to premies with an TabloidTattler .

However, I think the Cyber site will dissappear soon enough.
Also it is a very lame bit of writing .
Either the english as a second language thesaurus they used needs modernizing or the person who composed that garbage was illiterate and nieve.
It reads like a bad russian paperback translation.
I think it even embarasses Mabalony.

Z

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 16:57:21 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com
To: Zelda
Subject: Re: ex tactics vs p tactics
Message:
It amazes me that the premie have put personal info about exs on the net and distorted facts.
Dont they realise that exs know ALOT about individual premies.
ie DIRTY laundry . Drug use , dealing , shady business deals , lawsuits, prosecutions, wife beating , child abuse, the list goes on.
Premies are Not immune to these problems in their lives and I for one think that the exs have been pretty considerate by keeping the focus on the cult and NOT playing silly games with private lives.
If exs were to stoop so low as to start to publish a Premie Dirty Laundry site, including names , how would that go down? It would make for some very juicy reading (and exs would not need to embelish.)
BTW I am not suggesting that exs do such a thing.
The exs have fought clean so far and the premies should consider how well we know premies and what kind of damage exs could do to premies with an TabloidTattler .

However, I think the Cyber site will dissappear soon enough.
Also it is a very lame bit of writing .
Either the english as a second language thesaurus they used needs modernizing or the person who composed that garbage was illiterate and nieve.
It reads like a bad russian paperback translation.
I think it even embarasses Mabalony.

Z


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Good post.

I think people should just find out what is actionable and what
isn't, and leave it at that. Feeding the trolls -- the trolls
must be *very* happy today. They got Sir Dave to jump through a
dozen hoops, and they've literally taken over the mindset of this
board's discussions, for a run of probably a few hundred posts,
before the subject scrolls off the page.
tireless-screed.com will always be in business. Bet on it.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 15:01:28 (EDT)
From: anonymous
Email: None
To: Zelda
Subject: very good point
Message:
Many posters have withheld many VERY embarrassing things they know about premies because the argument is with the CULT and Rawat, not with premies as individuals.
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:33:06 (EDT)
From: (name withheld-fear of Rawat Cult)
Email: None
To: All
Subject: ' Not a fucking leaf moves'
Message:
Let's assume for the moment that fat boy knew nothing about the Stopcyberstalkers site. Well, he does now and hasn't 'indicated' his displeasure, which would make it go away immediately. So here we have a situation where he is guilty after the fact. This is just like his cult members being guilty, after the fact, for not condemning his behavior.

So now it's escalated from rocks and clubs to bow and arrows and on and on it will go until the Maharaji comes out of hiding and faces his opponents.

It appears to be spreading to the workplace now. Employers being notified of internet surfing on one side and cult involvement on the other. It is spreading to the rank and file premie who will suffer the most. Rawat, of course, won't care until it affects his bank account.

Come forward, Mr. Rawat, to a public forum and just answer some questions(not of your choosing, of course). By doing so, you will spare much pain for many others.

You know it's the right thing to do, PIGFACE.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 06:49:56 (EDT)
From: (Name withheld-fear of Rawat cult)
Email: None
To: (name withheld-fear of Rawat Cult)
Subject: and for Seinfeld Fans
Message:
George will have his own show this year as ...Bob Patterson, New Age Guru

I guess I'd better send the writers 30 years of you know who's Holy Discourses

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 04:40:48 (EDT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: All
Subject: for the CAC spite site authors
Message:

I would not have you telling lies,
You say I'm foul; I shall be so,
So bad the world will think your cries
Of warning, if anything, too low.

You are sad, mad macho poseurs:
With filthy spite, censorious should,
You spread self-righteous shabby slurs,
You're good. At hate campaigns you're good.

So on your bike. Spare us your bile.
we're not your bad reflection, no.
Which of your friends says you not vile?
None that know you; but I'll say so.

If simple truth you can admit,
We're good at this - and you've screwed it!

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 08:22:23 (EDT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: Unholy Trinity
Message:
Not all of my poetry is angry and defiant. Have a look at my collection of verse about Rawat and his false existence at J'accuse
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:34:19 (EDT)
From: saucy
Email: None
To: All
Subject: To the ex-AGers
Message:
am totally pissed that my best place on the net has gone, this is really sad, I miss you all and all the strange stuff that we did together.

We are homeless at present so I got a temporary shelter for us until some permenant arrangment is made,

you can find solace here

Ex-Ageers Forum

I will do some construction eventually to change the name, please visit.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:27:42 (EDT)
From: arlos
Email: None
To: All
Subject: ood luck to you exes in your new home forum.
Message:
May no new CAC somehow force you to move again. May you all find, or increase your store of, fulfilment and serenity. May all hate clubs, premie, ex or other, wither away because their members grow to wise to hate or use the tactics of hate.
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 15:21:23 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: arlos
Subject: Thank you, Carlos, I'm sure
Message:
Carlos,

Don't you think the term 'hate club' needs a little work? It's pretty damn vague, wouldn't you say, especially how it's been bandied about? What does it actually mean to you? Does it include anyone who feels hatred? Is that a hate club? If so, wouldn't it include people who feel hatred for all sorts of justified reasons?

For example, I take it you know something about the current claims and litigation against the Hare Krishna cult for historic sexual abuse. If not, quite simply, a number of former Krishna kids are suing the cult for sexual -- and other forms -- of abuse they suffered in the Hare Krishna schools. I saw a documentary recently on the affair and I can assure you, these victims, and their families, hate the perpetrators as well as the organization that facilitated their suffering. Would you call them a 'hate club'?

Then there are the boys Sai Baba abused under the guise of 'spiritual counselling'. Adults now, they, too, are angry and are speaking out against Sai Baba, in court and out. They clearly hate the guy and all he stands for. 'Hate club'?

The fact is that many of the new age cults spawned in the sixties, seventies and eighties now face substantial criticism, much of it extremely emotionally charged, from former members. In turn the cults have invariably defended themselves just like Glasser, CAC, even EV itself with its bullshit 'press release' accusing Abi of being a lying gold-digger, of all things.

Define 'hate club', Carlos, please. And don't be evasive. Let's get real here.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 17:44:12 (EDT)
From: Carlos
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Jim, I mostly disliked the term 'hate club'
Message:
being applied only to exes and to all exes. I really haven't defined it, conciously, to myself. But the way I think I've been using it has to do with posting abusivily, spewing verbal venom (tho I try to make some allowance for venting; that still is not entirely consequence free if done in public but should not be regarded as severely as bullying, IMO.), lying and distorting things to make a point, etc. I've always pointed out that some of us premies do it, too, and that either the label should be dropped (as a perjoritive of no use other than to foster the us-vs-them dichotomy), expanded to include us or adknowledge the exsistance of a 'ptemie chapter'.

You are more effective when you don't talkj down, Jim.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 11:58:40 (EDT)
From: zac
Email: None
To: arlos
Subject: may o naise [nt]
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 06:48:38 (EDT)
From: TO ARLOS
Email: None
To: arlos
Subject: Re: ood luck to you exes in your new home forum.
Message:
get alife. Go suck some toes. You, dog, in need of a master.

I do have REAL peace of mind today. Maharaji is not a special being: He grabbed you by yoru balls and wont let you go. You call that freedom? Get a brain.

You lovers are soooooo, special. Pleeeese. Grow up!

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:00:46 (EDT)
From: you slimey scum
Email: None
To: TO ARLOS
Subject: we got u now
Message:
get alife. Go suck some toes. You, dog, in need of a master.

I do have REAL peace of mind today. Maharaji is not a special being: He grabbed you by yoru balls and wont let you
go. You call that freedom? Get a brain.

You lovers are soooooo, special. Pleeeese. Grow up!

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:35:53 (EDT)
From: Premie
Email: None
To: you slimey scum
Subject: copy my post
Message:
and pasted it above: More shinnanigans.

PREMIES NEED TO BE BLOCKED!

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 12:01:53 (EDT)
From: Gus the block and tackle guy
Email: None
To: Premie
Subject: Re: copy my post
Message:
and pasted it above: More shinnanigans.

PREMIES NEED TO BE BLOCKED!


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And tackled!

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:38:44 (EDT)
From: blubber
Email: None
To: arlos
Subject: Re: ood luck to you exes in your new home forum.
Message:
well, that's mighty nice of you to say so.
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:19:50 (EDT)
From: it-IS-so
Email: None
To: All
Subject: just to let u know
Message:
that am here.

Oh hello EV, you see, you can put as many websites down as you want, but they keep poping up. Sheesh the net is a bitch, ain't it.

Who are you planing to blackmail this time. And if you thought Sir Dave went off line and you won, you really need to learn how to suck eggs.

Meanwhile, please inform you monitors to change their favorites,

Thank you

it IS so

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 09:18:36 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: it-IS-so
Subject: To EV Monitors
Message:
Hello EV Monitors,

Happy? Giggling over the defammation of character of fine people?

Well, I am here, too. To STAY! See how fast we can switch boards. Oh, what to do, what to do.

Your master doesn't love you. He hates people, in fact.

Have a good day, cultists.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:06:00 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Way is the latest CAC target
Message:
Way and another never been premie have been added to CAC. Interesting that in Way's report, the cult is refered to as a new age movement.

John the looking forward to my entry

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 06:00:46 (EDT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: fascist cult fear tactics vs. legitimacy
Message:
Dear Sisters and Brothers:

Remember when miragey used to diss the internet all the time? Then he apparently instructed premies not to go to ex-premie.org Then elan vital staffers began telling premies to call it ex-premie.hate . Then Prempal recently made reference at an event to a 'war'. Now, voila!

Let's look at this spiraling recent pattern:

1) I just checked some search engines, and I counted at least 33 official or otherwise sanctioned elan vital and miragey international websites, a number of which are recent additions to the internet;

2) using both litigation and covert means, cult agents have simultaneously been trying to completely silence any public criticism of miragey [a controversial public figure] whatsoever worldwide;

3) cult members have spammed and hacked ex-premie websites/forums;

4) some cult members have urged others to commit violence against ex-premie critics of miragey, including taking a 'baseball bat' to them;

5) using a remote web base in Russia (curiously), anonymous miragey cult members are now using implicit/explicit blackmail to shut down or silence miragey critics;

6) cult members are revealing and publishing private email addresses, home phones, addresses, and other personal data of miragey's critics on the internet [including photos of their small children], as well as threatening to escalate these activities, thereby deliberately exposing the guru's critics and their families to foreseeable and imminent harm from deranged cult fanatics, especially in light of violence committed in the past by fanatical and otherwise deluded miragey cult members [including a murder in Florida committed by a devotee claiming to hear voices, a vicious assault by a devotee with a weapon on an aspirant, and in at least one case homicidal vengeance incited by miragey's own family and his instructors -- e.g. the 1973 assassination attempt on reporter Pat Halley];

6) cult agent provacateurs infiltrated and stole private information regarding posters at ex-premie websites, and they are now in illegal possession of [and may have shared] that information;

7) some cult members are presently waging a hateful blackmail scare campaign, using Red-baiting, homophobic, and right-wing Zionist political stances, as well as targeting the critics' families and places of employment.

This pattern has stepped up markedly ever since miragey began allegedly making references about an internet 'war' [as reported by posters who attended some events during the past few months]. Additionally, Pat Conlon has reported that he was tipped off by a cult insider that an internet vendetta was in the works.

It is my opinion that the cult is employing these patently fascist tactics as part of a concerted strategy to on one hand saturate the internet with pro-miragey propaganda, while instilling fear and stifling any valid criticisms or testimonies regarding miragey and his operatives -- that would inevitably expose his cult and its operations to serious public and governmental scrutiny.

This situation raises both ethical and legal issues, as well as certain personal safety concerns. Blackmail is a criminal offense in most countries, internet theft and dissemination of private or confidential information is also a crime, incitement to commit bodily harm is also a crime, and medieval guru-based fascism is not consistent with fundamental principles of democracy and freedom -- nor bona fide spirituality. Rather, these examples only serve to underline the validity of the many testimonials and criticisms about the guru and his personality cult [a registered church, btw], which has enriched him and his family materially substantially at the expense of thousands of his trusting and adoring believers.

For the record, I personally do Not regard 'premies' as my enemies. On the contrary, many of my closest friends for almost 30 years have been or still are premies, and I considered myself a true-blue devotee of miragey until I read enough documentation and testimonials on the internet at ex-premie.org last year to convince me to question and research as much in-depth information as possible about the finances, history, and insider accounts surrounding miragey, his claims, and his organization and its abuses. Combined with my own extensive experiences as a person who was involved for many years and did service in the organization in various capacities, I had to face the painful reality that I had been spiritually seduced into being a member of a feudalistic dictatorial cult.

I firmly subscribe to the view that the best course for cult critics and adherents is the protocol of civil dialogue, based on issues, facts, and testimomy, not based on fear or blackmail. If I have ever been impassioned in my own criticism of miragey, it is only because I sacrificed so much of my life, including material comfort, a career and my child, out of a misguided dedication to him in the past -- based on his repeated pronouncements during the 1970s of messianic divinity [which he never renounced] mixed with some simple yogic meditation techniques.

We have a protected legitimate right to voice our informed viewpoints regarding a public figure like miragey who has proclaimed himself to be a Master and who has thrust himself on the world stage as a messianic charismatic leader, accumulating vast wealth and a cult of thousands of devotees in the process.

In conclusion, the current fascist campaign of fear being waged against miragey's most ardent critics is absolutely contrary to the philosophy of the very peace he purports, although consistent with some past cult activities, cult-think, and the cult's denigration of dissenters - including miragey's own mother and older brothers.

In fact, miragey's own brother Satpal [aka Bal Bhagwan ji] has stated:
'History tells us that great massacres have taken place under the name of holy crusades, and that the great churches have not remained as churches but have become political tools for the exercise of power and wealth. To sum up, there is no evil which has not befallen us in the name of religion. Jesus, Our Master, gave us the commandment to 'love our neighbors as we love ourselves.' ... How would Jesus feel today, to see his children piling up the same wealth which he told them to distribute to the poor?' [source: Who is Guru Maharaj ji? Divine Light Mission/Bantam Books]

As from a blazing fire sparks of like substance fly forth a thousandfold, so from the Imperishable, beings manifold are produced, and return thither also. -- The Upanishads

Peace and lentils,

da lil' swami

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 17:34:55 (EDT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: Apologies, Such
Message:
In a moment of un-thinking whilst typing (does anyone else do that or just me?) I referred to your post ovver on LG and said something to the effect ' maybe some points here and there are debatable but the broad thrust is true' . Hmmm why did I say that? To mollify the audience I was addressing or just sluggish thinking or the fact that I skimped through yor post while itching to type.

Whatever ....well I agree , it's a really really good post and I've bookmarked it for future reference.

Cioa

Dermot

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 15:29:50 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: Excellente!
Message:
You really covered it so well, Such. This summary should make its way to relevant authorities. Good work.
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 12:17:19 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: nice. [nt]
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 10:51:32 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: **Best Of F7** already!
Message:
Excellent analysis Such. The fear of losing what remains of a bizarre religion is truly great amongst the intellectually challenged PWKs who have blackmailed David. It is the end my friend and the rats are frantically attempting to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic as it slips under.
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:27:50 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Way to go Way. Congrats - nt
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:19:29 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Way?? Who's next? Katie?
Message:
This is ridiculous. Mind you, it already was ridiculous. It was ridiculous before it even started. We need a new vocabulary.

Anyway, yeah, talk about insulting, huh? Fucking creep(s). They can't even begin to hold a candle to Way morally or intellectually so they try this shit.

One funny result, though, has to be the further dissemination of his '14 Objections' letter.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:26:45 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: 14 objections and Dettmers posts
Message:
Either the author of CAC is demented or really working for us.
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:25:58 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Way?? Who's next? Katie?
Message:
I know, lets make a sequel, Cyberstalker 2.

hahaha

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:41:05 (EDT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Jeremiah
Message:
'And from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of my people lightly, saying: 'Peace, peace,' when there is no peace.' - Jeremiah 6:13-14
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 01:49:27 (EDT)
From: Barry!
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Hey folks!
Message:
What a fucken bunch of bullshit that CAC shit is eh? Can someone fill me in a bit if that site is financed by Lord Muffle-butt? PS Jim! You gotta send them a better picture. say..? That one where your horns are poppen out of your head!
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 00:25:52 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: All
Subject: hey gerry
Message:
as it stands posters can edit their Author field.
Just tried it after wondering what happened to our friend McGruff.
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 06:49:45 (EDT)
From: Sbesmart
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Re: hey gerry
Message:
what do you mean?
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:50:26 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Re: hey Selene
Message:
I noticed you're back from the mountains. Was it good. Emial me when you finished clicking on all the bottons.
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 01:15:35 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: And could you please reverse the colours?
Message:
Ger,

When you get a chance, if you're going to keep these colours, could you please reverse the blues? Bright for fresh, dark for used..

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:14:51 (EDT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Yes, please. And ...
Message:
have you noticed that that the page title (shows at the top of one's browser and as the bookmark name when the page is bookmarked) is Ex-Premie Forum v8.
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 12:22:14 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: Re: Yes, please. And ...
Message:
There wasn't a way to write-in links for a URL earlier, unless I'm
mistaken -- now there is.

In the same vein, is there a way to enable the 'no text' option?

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 13:24:07 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: Re: Yes, please. And ...
Message:
This is the free version. This is as good as it gets. I did make the other changes suggested in this thread, though.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:49:45 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: pdconlon@hotmail.com
To: All
Subject: Who authored CAC?
Message:
Has anyone checked to see if the Boris who has a personal website is the same as the Boris who is named as the site designer? I'm sure Boris is a common name in Russia, I don't know for sure but I feel that Boris may even be fictional.

My premie friend who warned me last week about the net Jihad did not know who would be conducting it or even what their tactics would be. She is not part of the group of gungho premie honchos who are waging the net jihad but heard about it from one of their mutual connections. Apparently CAC's creators had a good laugh and think that their jihad is a great joke. This is why they did not bother with the truth or facts. Well, life is a joke to these jokers who believe it is all an illusion anyway, maya. Lila, the game has just begun.

SC/David Whitla said on LG that my warning about the jihad was nonsense because I really was not friends with instructors and did not smoke drugs with them or socialize with them as he does and therefore I did not know what I was talking about. Well, what I was talking about happened and the fact is that my friendship with this informant goes back 30 years, and yes I have smoked drugs with her and even had an affair with her. A friendship that close and long is built on complete trust and respect. If she finds out who is behind CAC she will tell me as she is disgusted by their scientology-type tactics.<{>

Of course she refuses to believe that Rawat condoned the wording of CAC and thinks it happened more along the lines of Becket's murder by Henry ll. I agree with that and think that Rawat, like Henry, will sacrifice the jihad wagers as soon as it appears their tactics have backfired on him.

But just because I don't know who did it is does not mean that I am not speculating. I bet $500 that a certain designer of another defamatory anti-ex site is involved. Like Whittaker Chambers and Roy Cohn, he seems to be trying to ingratiate himself with the good old boys' club. (For those not familiar with Chambers and Cohn - they were two closeted gay men who conspired with McCarthy and J. Edgar Hoover to smear liberals in the fifties with labels of ''communist'' and ''homosexual.'' Interestingly both Hoover and McCarthy never married and there were numerous whispers that they were both closet cases.)

I also am quite intrigued by some of the quotes used to smear me not only because of their use of anti-gay prejudice but because of CAC's choice of the people I supposedly stalked. I have written much more scathing stuff than anything quoted on CAC but these quotes were used. Why were these particular quotes used? Do these people have axes to grind because of something I said about them? I've said much worse about others.

CAC says: Conlon acknowledges a history of drug abuse:
''It was a fancy place in Laurel Canyon where we consumed large quantities of pot and cocaine...... I'll show you how. You bring the hash. I'll boil the milk and spices '.....the word is 'bhang' meaning hashish ........ stirred into hot spicy milk. Yogis use it to 'open their hearts' and get into feeling instead of just thinking. Yummy. It's illegal? Damn I didn't know that ..... You mean I am a criminal? Thank you counsellor for your cautionary advice.''

This is a hodge-podge of several posts that I made. The first sentence referred to drug-taking in the home of George Blodwell in Los Angeles in 79/80. The subsequent sentences are from another thread where several of us were talking about Rawat's drug-taking and the fact that he forced western premies to drink hashish Bhang.

Another quote referring to Blodwell is used: ''XX (Blodwell's first wife's sister) turned against xxxxxx (Maharaji) in 1980.'' (It is on record in the archives that Blodwell's second wife has said that she will kill for Rawat.) Rawat once said to Blodwell (in a response to one of George's unceasing wisecracks) in a premie honcho meeting in London: ''Don't you know when to stop joking? You just made one joke too many.'' It's on tape. I have it somewhere.

I am quoted as saying: ''You'll rue the day you ever made an enemy out of me.'' This was said to Catweasel whom I had tried unsuccessfully to befriend. CW recently could not resist boasting with his usual inimitable little boy macho manner that he was soon going to return under another guise and wreak havoc on us using his IT skills. Hmmm?

I guess David Smith and Belkis Shah also have axes to grind because I am quoted as saying: ''With the likes of her and Herr Schmidtz running the cult who needs kool-aid?'' I meant of course that they would bore you to death or drive you to suicide with their inhuman robotic cult concepts.

I am quoted as saying about Marolyn Rawat: ''''xxxxxx (Marolyn) has been compared with Tammy Faye Bakker and Imelda Marcos...'' This actually was one of the tamest things that I have said about her. The other stuff may have been too close to the truth to bear repeating. My instructor friend did warn me that some women were involved in the net Jihad.

When I first started posting I was attacked by Bazza/Barry Shaw (who has since returned to the cult armed with lots of information gleaned from his stint as FA of FV) because I was anonymous. My reply to Bazza is quoted: ''Were you one of those bullies who walked around doing security xxxxxx (Ed. - interesting that they x'ed out the word service) dressed in secondhand suits from thrift shops looking like little jumped up hitlers or bus conductors? It's a wonder you didn't say; 'We haf vays of making you talk!' Go fuck yourself, your jerk. And don't ever try to bully me again.''

Bazza had threatened me because I was not forthcoming about the details of the suicide of an aspirant. I did not want to mention the name of the city because it would identify me (I was posting under an alias because I was new to the expremie forum and was still afraid of the cult.) The suicide of this aspirant was the event which finally drove me out of the cult.

(In December last year an aspirant in SF - who was very unhappy and was beginning to suspect that M was a conman - asked his aspirant co-ordinator why it took five months of watching videos of Rawat before he could get Knowledge. He wanted to know why he could not be helped right away if the Master could help him as he had stated in many videos. The deceased aspirant felt that he was being brainwashed into a cult and not ''being saved by the Master'' as promised by Rawat's videos. The aspirant co-ordinator and the local community co-ordinator told the dead kid that he was impatient because he was so young (22) and to have faith in Maharaji. The boy killed himself the next day. His aspirant co-ordinator at the time now posts regularly and anonymously on LG and was as insouciant about this suicide as his master was about the cyclist he killed. His excuse for the boy's death was that the kid was already screwed up. Excuse me - why do people turn to saviours if not to be saved? If we didn't think we needed help we would never have turned to the Master in the first place.)

Perhaps the ordinary premies do have a real beef with me and I do apologize to them for any discomfort I may have caused them but longtime cult members who are also part of the premie elite, such as David Smith, and Marolyn Rawat are fair game. Criticizing longterm premie spokesmen, EV officials and the wife of a public figure whose lavish lifestyle I supported for 28 years is fair game. To me donations and taxes entitle one to criticise the recipients of that money. Politicians and leaders of religious movements who live off other peoples' money are fair game for public discussion. It is also fair game to criticise anyone who in turn stoops to deceit and malice to defend these people to whom I have given tens of thousands of hard-earned dollars.

PS The only other thing I should refute is this: Conlon alleges ties with the IRA. ''Think IRA style cell structure. I'm close to all this. Virtual networking using secure tunnelling protocols, media encryption with decryption requiring more than one local keyholder plus a central key.''

This quote is actually from someone else and I do remember the thread in which it occurred. However I did not follow it closely because I was not interested. Once again CAC has confused me with one of the other four Patrick Conlons who live in SF. One of them does happen to be born in Eire and does openly support the IRA, a position which is not uncommon in SF. But who cares? CAC was published not for mass consumption but only to frighten exes so why should facts stand in the way?

I should probably also add that the porn site alleged to be mine is not. My site lampoons such unimaginative rubbish as that. Mine is a spoof of net smut and the dreadful stuff that looks more like open-heart surgery than sex. But, who cares about facts? It was all really just a terrific joke at the expremies' expense perpetrated by a bunch of silly infantile solipsists - carbon copies of their amoral, superficial and irresponsible ''master.''

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 11:49:19 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Good going Pat
Message:
Good to see you haven't run out of steam Pat. In fact, you seem to have been given new life by the CAC fear monger(s). Who is this guy? Must be some lonely old premie who just can't stand letting go of his duct-taped religion. Sad really, that what once filled us with visions of glory now fills people with fear and hatred. Ye shall know him by his fruits and nuts? Pathetic. It all reflects horribly on The Speaker and EV and that's just fine. What isn't fine is the cowardly potshot cybercrime this cultist has perpetrated on you and the others.

So now that you have been assigned martyrdom by CACa, do we call you Saint Patrick? Or the Unholy Father? Shri Fatus Fagus? How about Mother Superior Thelma?

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:41:46 (EDT)
From: Peter Howie
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Re: Who authored CAC?
Message:
Hi again. Posted this on 6 and then found 7.

Good response PatC.

My suspicians go along your lines as well because there is a marked absense of a certain feline on this sight at the moment. It would be a classic opportunity for him.

It is also a dead giveaway the depth to which CW would read the stuff here. I mean he would respond to some comment hidden at the 50th posting of some other abstruse(I hope thats the right spelling)point. I was getting very suspicious of the level of his involvement. And then I went and looked at LG and noticed his responses there in a similar manner. He must have read nearly every single post. Somewhat long the lines of an obsessed person - swirls of unrequited love leading to obsession. I've experienced it directed against me in the past and it is not pleasant.

Your responses seem both delightfully candid and well grounded. I guess this is the side of the net that can be downright anti-social, anti-community and anti-human. A bit like right-wing christion groups doing their thing on TV to sway public opinion.

Of course from the point of view of the perpetrators of the CAC site we are all fair game and the more regular posters are begging for it. This would be the type of madness that the followers of Jim Jones used to justify holding the children while giving the drugs and shooting people who left the compound. JJ and the other loony fringe need and require people who will see the world through a distorted lens and they clearly have it here. MJ needs these people to procure drugs for him and women for him abd to cover his trails.

Anyway I hope to hear/see you on another forum in the not too distant future.

Cheers.

Peter Howie.

ps I loved your story some time back about the famous person in your restaurant.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:54:44 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Peter Howie
Subject: thanks Peter now you know why
Message:
I chose not to mention the name of the celeb who dined at my place.
I did not want her name to pop up in a search engine and be connected with anything like this. It's a chance that we exes take but no one else needs to be exposed to it. Yes a certain pole-cat has been
MIA for a few weeks now.
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 04:35:00 (EDT)
From: Vic Bitter
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Re: thanks Peter now you know why
Message:
Gone for two days - comeback to accusations of masterminding a nuclear assualt. Are you guys for real?
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 01:14:03 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Good post, Pat
Message:
You know, I'm not sure I even said some of the stuff attributed to me, here, there or anywhere. I could have objected on that basis as well but didn't, perhaps on the naive assumption that these idiots wouldn't just make shit up. Lord knows I've gotten pretty viscious at times. But, to tell you the truth, there're a few quotes attributed to me that I simply don't recognize, that don't seem like me -- although, as I say, I could be wrong.

And as for how they chose their samples, that too puzzles me. Why would they pick posts of both mine and Gerry's to Runamok? Hm? The mind boggles at that one. As for Bazza (Rob?) -- another big question mark.

Anyway, it'll be interesting to see what the various authorities, servers, etc. we're all contacting will say or do. I'll tell you one thing, if Glasser's tied to this at all, he'll regret it.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 06:37:13 (EDT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Yep Jim a few intersting question marks NT
Message:
starts the ball rolling and somehow or other the culprit(s) become known. Yep there are so many possibilities and as you know I'm checking the archives on 'you know who' and that is a DEFINITE possibility.....either as instigator or collaborator. But I just haven't got time now.....I'm finally off for a couple of weeks.

When we do find out who they are ....I may even travel to wherever they are for an interesting face to face.....anythings possible. And if they threaten me in any way.....we'll see who has the last laugh.

Of course that's not a threat or anything :) Heaven forbid !!

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:44:25 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Just read your letter to CAC host
Message:
I definitely owe you at least $250 for that. I've saved it for future reference. Many thanks. I am once again indebted to you.

Ain't we got fun? I was just about to get bored with being an ex and suddenly I'm walking on air and feel so justified finally. I know you have always known all along just how evil the cult really is but sometimes I felt like I was being pooh-poohed as paranoid with some of the things I said.

Well, it's all speculation on my part until and if my friend finds out who's behind it. I don't count on that because I know that right now she and a lot of premies that I know are too freaked to think straight by this new ugly face of the cult which they have never seen before as it was masked behind the New Age warm-fuzzies.

I tried to tell them that these were the sort of people that were brought by the local honchos to dinner chez moi but no one would believe that Rawat and his cronies had stooped so low. Now they know.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 12:54:02 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: bully tactics online
Message:
'The Internet interprets censorship as damage, and routes around it.'

-John Gilmore

[That may be slightly misquoted; I typed it from memory only.]

There's an interesting discussion on The Ethical Spectacle on bully tactics used to silence speech (as the article notes, this is not *free* speech; that is speech that is Constitutionally-protected and only applies to when the Government would otherwise silence speech, not to private firms like ISPs, who are in no way bound to publish another's speech or to say if it is free or not).
[ www.spectacle.org ]

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:16:55 (EDT)
From: McYouKnowWho!
Email: eatshit@expremie.org
To: All
Subject: Why CAC is YOUR fault
Message:
Dear stoopid sonsof bitches:
CAC is a bad joke, even sick, but here's why it's YOUR fault, assholes--

Pat posted that 'an instructor' told him it was in the works: BULLSHIT!! Name him/her Pat or admit you made that up.

That's a small example. Expremies never admit they have been telling half-truths, taking pictures and quotes out of context, and it's all OK because Maharaj Ji is the target. Talk about cult behavior!!!

You phony asses whine about free speech when EV tried to stop you and drek, but the minute someone hits back, you are the first little pussies to scream about defamation and privacy. Where were you when you posted personal info about Linda Gross or Glasner or others? Jim's admission about embezzling funds shows up and it's 'out of context' but you quote three lines from a two hour satsang and that's OK?

CAC is despicable...it is a mirror image of your hate site. And when some renegade sticks it to you...you cry.

Finally, buttsuckers..dig this. There are TENS OF THOUSANDS of people who would go a lot farther. Are you so stupid? Simpkiss was right to cut his losses and check out of a crazy scene. Is that a threat, Jim? I dunno, you tell me. Better go back to the F5 archives and see what YOU threaned people with.

Have fun, kids.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 06:45:25 (EDT)
From: SBYE
Email: None
To: McYouKnowWho!
Subject: Re: Why CAC is YOUR fault
Message:
BYE, LOVER. HAHAHAHAHAHA
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 06:40:38 (EDT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: McYouKnowWho!
Subject: Don't EVER let me know who u r fuckface
Message:
and I aint joking. Clear?
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:57:01 (EDT)
From: don puerco
Email: None
To: McYouKnowWho!
Subject: Re: Why CAC is YOUR fault
Message:
right on u no hoo...that's it...when it backfires they shit their
pants...
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 01:52:30 (EDT)
From: Barry
Email: None
To: McYouKnowWho!
Subject: Hey Mc you know your stupid!
Message:
Better get back to work maken them Mc fries!
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 01:39:05 (EDT)
From: Carl
Email: None
To: McYouKnowWho!
Subject: Such a loving little premie! / nt
Message:
yowza
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:45:47 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: McYouKnowWho!
Subject: This post deserves a reply
Message:
Dear stoopid sonsof bitches:
CAC is a bad joke, even sick, but here's why it's YOUR fault, assholes--

Are you a cowardly cult member who's so stupid you can't think straight or are you just a dumbass fool who's stuck in a cult and are too afraid to admit anything about what you do, or even who you are, in public? Hm, tough one.

Pat posted that 'an instructor' told him it was in the works: BULLSHIT!! Name him/her Pat or admit you made that up.

What's this? Sounds like you're behind the CAC bullshit and can't understand why Pat would have gotten an inkling that way. Funny.

That's a small example. Expremies never admit they have been telling half-truths, taking pictures and quotes out of context, and it's all OK because Maharaj Ji is the target. Talk about cult behavior!!!

Okay, that's a discrete allegation we should be able to deal with even with you in your little baby mask. Show us one quote of your cult leader's that we've taken out of context. One. You know you can't because you're simply wrong. In fact, I bet you don't even know what it means to take something out of context. Honestly, I think you're that stupid.

You phony asses whine about free speech when EV tried to stop you and drek, but the minute someone hits back, you are the first little pussies to scream about defamation and privacy. Where were you when you posted personal info about Linda Gross or Glasner or others?

What personal details did I ever post about Linda Gross? That she, the then-president of Elan Vital, is a lawyer in Santa Monica? That's personal? Are you nuts? And Glasser? That he was the blustering dwarf behind his own depraved hate site? The one in which he bragged about what a great successful lawyer he was from such a fine, top-drawer school while we were cray crug-addicts or worse? Those personal details? And you're even beginning to compare that with posting peoples' home addresses, phone numbers, email, etc.? Or litle things like the kids hockey team that Dettmers coaches and encouraging people to contact them to have him fired? Anyway, let's see what some people outside your cult think.

We'll be getting those opinions soon, bud. We're going to find out who's behind CAC too and when we do, well, we'll see, won't we? Why don't we all just relax a bit and see who ends up in a laughing position? It's a wee bit early now, don't you think?

Jim's admission about embezzling funds shows up and it's 'out of context' but you quote three lines from a two hour satsang and that's OK?

Yes, you idiot! My embezzling story was an obvious joke. Those 'three lines' weren't. This is what I mean by saying that you seem to have no idea what 'context' even means. Again, find me one quote that you can show we've ever taken out of context. Of course that's impossible. Maharaji wasn't joking.

CAC is despicable...it is a mirror image of your hate site. And when some renegade sticks it to you...you cry.

We'll see, won't we?

Finally, buttsuckers..dig this. There are TENS OF THOUSANDS of people who would go a lot farther. Are you so stupid? Simpkiss was right to cut his losses and check out of a crazy scene. Is that a threat, Jim? I dunno, you tell me. Better go back to the F5 archives and see what YOU threaned people with.

What do you mean by 'go a whole lot further'? Yes, that's a threat. An empty one, of course. The truth is, there are TENS OF THOUSANDS of people who are stuck in your cult and who don't know what to do about it. That's the truth. Honestly, did you ever think you'd turn into whatever-it-is-you've-become? Ugly, isn't it?

Have fun, kids.

Sure. You too.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:23:17 (EDT)
From: anon
Email: None
To: McYouKnowWho!
Subject: Re: Why CAC is YOUR fault
Message:
Dear stoopid sonsof bitches:
CAC is a bad joke, even sick, but here's why it's YOUR fault, assholes--

Pat posted that 'an instructor' told him it was in the works: BULLSHIT!! Name him/her Pat or admit you made that up.

That's a small example. Expremies never admit they have been telling half-truths, taking pictures and quotes out of context, and it's all OK because Maharaj Ji is the target. Talk about cult behavior!!!

You phony asses whine about free speech when EV tried to stop you and drek, but the minute someone hits back, you are the first little pussies to scream about defamation and privacy. Where were you when you posted personal info about Linda Gross or Glasner or others? Jim's admission about embezzling funds shows up and it's 'out of context' but you quote three lines from a two hour satsang and that's OK?

CAC is despicable...it is a mirror image of your hate site. And when some renegade sticks it to you...you cry.

Finally, buttsuckers..dig this. There are TENS OF THOUSANDS of people who would go a lot farther. Are you so stupid? Simpkiss was right to cut his losses and check out of a crazy scene. Is that a threat, Jim? I dunno, you tell me. Better go back to the F5 archives and see what YOU threaned people with.

Have fun, kids.


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You don't really mean 'stoopid' do you? That's just stupid.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:56:36 (EDT)
From: Carl
Email: None
To: All
Subject: My guess: CAC issued indirectly from M
Message:
... with enough distance to give him 'plausible denial.'

The old wink and a nudge. Verrry common DLM/HF/EV technique: He has merely to hint or direct minions to carry out his designs. They are blissed out to be doing such serious and noble work in service to their Lord. Their salvation is secure. And they may find themselves rewarded in this life too, with various trinkets or cash, who knows?

Nobody in their right mind/heart or with any shred of decency would spend the evident lavish effort to compile such garbage and then wield a blackmailer's bludgeon against free speech, free inquiry, and to threaten Sir Dave's or his family's personal safety, thinly veiled: '' . . . Otherwise CAC activities will intensify.'' They've already posted his photo and address, for crying out loud.

Further guess: this will come back to haunt M. International investigations, widespread ridicule and denunciation, and so on.

You'd think someone who prides himself on being so clever and enlightened would have a little more clue about actions and their inevitable, if delayed, consequences.

This is just the beginning. Remember, M has OODLES of funds to toss at what he perceives to be a problem.

This is all so revealing. The truth will be known far and wide. We shall see.

Cheers,
Carl

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 01:54:58 (EDT)
From: Barry
Email: None
To: Carl
Subject: It's gotta be.
Message:
everyone on there practically, posts on ex-premie
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:09:27 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Carl
Subject: SO WHAT?
Message:
WE ARE NEVER GOING TO GO AWAY, NOW MORE THAN EVER, SUCKERS!

MAHARAJI: FUCK YOU TO ETERNITY!

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 21:07:12 (EDT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Carl
Subject: Indeed they spent a lot of time on that
Message:
Yes, Carl, as you said, 'would spend the evident lavish effort to compile'. Ok, we may find out that it was Rob or Bazza or whomever having a lark, but indeed they spent a significant amount of time collecting everything and anything any of us posted. Almost like this has been in the making for a long time.

Too bad this lame pathetic and sick effort is somewhat effective and we are losing Sir Dave.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 21:20:54 (EDT)
From: Carl
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Weren't there 'hints' that something was brewing??
Message:
There are so many LG posts I never read, but while recently scouting about on LG I thought I detected some hints or warnings (from someone -- I can't keep track of all those anons over there) that soon there would be some serious action, this 'net jihad'.

Has the Ayatollah issued his edict, and now the cannon fodder are falling all over themselves to abase themselves for his cause? Is this how they 'enjoy life'? Ye gods!

Truly, truly sad, sad beyond belief.

Glad to see that you are in feisty good form,

Best,
Carl

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:29:00 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: Carl
Subject: Re: Weren't there 'hints' that someth..
Message:
There are so many LG posts I never read, but while recently scouting about on LG I thought I detected some hints or warnings (from someone -- I can't keep track of all those anons over there) that soon there would be some serious action, this 'net jihad'.

Has the Ayatollah issued his edict, and now the cannon fodder are falling all over themselves to abase themselves for his cause? Is this how they 'enjoy life'? Ye gods!

Truly, truly sad, sad beyond belief.

Glad to see that you are in feisty good form,

Best,
Carl


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Well, you know -- when Cap'n Goober is gone, and there really is
no agya left -- imagine what these self-enlightened fellows will
think of next.

This could go on for a while.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:38:38 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Regarding the preamble
Message:
Should we not inform the premies that if they harrass anyone or leave SPAM messages that they will be OUTED. Should we not inform new visitors that we were victimized by BLACKMAILERS and have a link to a page with relevant posts from the perpetrators of LG and GLASSER et al
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:10:34 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: GOOD IDEA! NT
Message:
YES
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 00:20:24 (EDT)
From: Selene (very tired)
Email: None
To: Silvia
Subject: Re: GOOD IDEA!
Message:
I watched since the beginning of 1998 when forum was on EPO, watched for 3 and a half years+ as premies abused anonymity and were protected.
And in a random sort of way. Which was really weird. I mean one week the ax would hit like hell, I was most deleted 1999 (gave myself that title) and some exes got outed and no one did a thing.
I never want to be part of a forum like that again. No matter what happens, I do not want it to go back to that. So I guess I am giving my vote for keeping the forum off EPO (they'd be nuts to want it back ayway!)

Dave had a special way of 'managing' things and some shit or shits just KNEW it.

Well I say out their lying stalking butts. WHY, after this last mess, should they have more rights than we do?

I'm creeped out and have reasons to want this. For one thing, some of the posts on that stopcyberblah site were almost 2 and a half years old, not archived, and from AG. What does that say? It says some creep(s) have been studying us like a science project. What a nice feeling. Wish I wasn't too lazy to put my Selene the Hairless Rat url up righthere :)

But I don't think gerry will do it. Out premies I mean, and of course I could be wrong and I refuse to judge either way.I don't want to judge because it's abundantly clear to me what a pain in the ass it is to be the forum 'god', FA admin whatever.

just me rambling after an exhausting day. Wondering what kind of 'teacher' of 'meditation' and whatever else the spin is, wondering what kind of teacher could produce such students. A fraud is what.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 08:51:57 (EDT)
From: s
Email: None
To: Selene (very tired)
Subject: Re: GOOD IDEA!
Message:
I'll call you today. :)
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 08:06:20 (EDT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Selene (very tired)
Subject: watching the defectives
Message:
For one thing, some of the posts on that stopcyberblah site were almost 2 and a half years old, not archived, and from AG. What does that say? It says some creep(s) have been studying us like a science project.

Yes, I think this is correct. I think poor old Catweazle is one example of a sad and lonely delude that compiles databases of browser types and suchlike, the better to 'track' ex-premies. Such record keeping is illegal unless registered in Britain (under the Data Protection Acts, so that people who have their personal information stored on databases can find out what is held about them, and correct any abuses) and is likely also illegal in Oz.

Quite a thought, isn't it? Such a sordid scene of devotional obsession in service of an imaginary friend in the head!

Still, I am sure Captain Prempal Rawat of Malibu (the one-time false god and fruadulent messiah) sees the CACheads as splendid examples of spiritual advancement, Rawat style! Otherwise surely he would murmur his agya and his devoted worshippers would immediately desist.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 13:42:37 (EDT)
From: BeenThereDoneThat
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: Re: watching the defectives
Message:
Would he have to say 'THE TRUTH? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH'
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 08:50:21 (EDT)
From: sb
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: Re: watching the defectives
Message:
mili can be part of it. He was very quite lately.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:14:58 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: jhb@ex-premie.org
To: All
Subject: Well done with F7
Message:
Good man. I offered to take over F6 but CAC told Dave he couldn't pass it on - stupid bastards!

The deluxe version isn't that expensive and avoids the annoying ads above. Also, if you intend running this long term, we could do with some archives. Is this possible with the free version? Anyway, I'm sure people will be happy to contribute to the deluxe version.

Well done again,

John.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:33:40 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: this is a democracy
Message:
I'll run it for a while then we should have elections for FA.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:47:11 (EDT)
From: CD
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: this is a democracy
Message:
>I'll run it for a while then we should have elections for FA.

Let Jim do it. It would be a valuable learning experience.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:59:23 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: CD
Subject: Is Jim your nominee then, Chris?
Message:
We'll put you down like that.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:08:03 (EDT)
From: CD
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: Is Jim your nominee then, Chris?
Message:
Gerry,

You know damn well that my vote doesn't count here.
Just trying to plant the idea in your brain.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 21:45:32 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: CD
Subject: Get the fuck out of here
Message:
You blocked me from your forum. Get lost.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:27:49 (EDT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: All
Subject: GERRY kudos!
Message:
The show must go on. The torch must be passed.

KUDOS!!!

Francesca

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:48:35 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Good job man
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:07:25 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Please Read - important
Message:
Can someone please save the contents of
The Truth About Maharaji site before it goes away today?
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:30:15 (EDT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: And lets not duplicate huh!
Message:
Have started already, so I'm quite happy to take this on, no work tomorrow etc etc
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:47:38 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: hamzen
Subject: please do keep it up
Message:
If you can Ham. hee heh I'm missing AG already

I did get a response via email that it is copied so it's really up to you but another won't hurt, something always goes wrong with computers I hate them.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:53:39 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: pdconlon@hotmail.com
To: All
Subject: CAC in deep doodoo: damages non-premie
Message:
Hi guys, I've been itching to make this post but we added another computer to our network yesterday and of course everything went wrong. So I've been off-line till now.

Yesterday Joe asked me if I managed the Pilsner Inn which is mentioned in CAC's attempted smear of me. No, I don't. The Patrick Conlon who owns the Pilsner is a different person who has never had anything to do with the cult and never was a premie or expremie.

I did not answer Joe yesterday because I wanted to make sure that the owner of the Pilsner Inn and his attorney saw the site before I pointed out the error and CAC removed any reference to him immediately which they will when they realize that they are damaging an innocent third party who has nothing to do with the cult. Now I must point this out publicly in order to spare him any further harassment by the cult and damage to his business which may result from being linked with the CAC smear of me.

CAC says: Conlon also manages the Pilsner Inn, (Ed - here CAC publishes a private phone number and home address of an innocent third party) which is listed in the Guide to Gay San Francisco: ''Over the past year the Pilsner Inn has become tremendously popular with the 20-30-?ish beer-thirsty queer. The Pilsner is friendly - cruisey...no need to hide in a dark corner and leap on your prey...pour some of your pitcher into his/her glass and start talking. Lots of pool, dart and pinball junkies of every sexuality hang out here.''

San Francisco, being a very Irish town, has a page of Conlons, a common Irish name, in the phone book. Four of those Conlons are Patricks, also a common Irish name. One of them owns the Pilsner Inn. I happen to know him well as we are both in the hospitality industry and are both gay. He is a bit older than me and a very honest, warm and gentle man who does not deserve to have his private phone number and home address put on a site which anonymously accuses people of stalking women and hints that the accused are also guilty of child molestation and other assorted crimes.

The cult members who designed CAC must have assumed, since I am openly gay, as is the owner of the Pilsner, that we are one and the same person. I am grateful for CAC's arrogant stupidity because this is grounds for the owner of the Pilsner to pursue a civil case against them. So it turns out, as I thought, that Rawat and his defenders really are their own worst enemies.

The site should have been examined by Rawat's lawyers first before being put on line even if only to do fact checking because the site mentions Maharaji (''For several years, a few persons, working together, have tried to damage the personal and professional lives of many persons interested in Maharaji's teachings.'') and it's main purpose is to defame anyone critical of Maharaji. Maharaji himself will be held to be the instigator and planner of this attack and may also be liable. It is too late for CAC's designer to escape this consequence by removing the damaging reference because the site has already been seen by too many people and the legal wheels have already started turning.

Because the owner of the Pilsner Inn is a famous and well-loved figure in the San Francisco gay community and bcause of the anti-gay insinuations contained in CAC's smear, the gay anti-defamation organizations in San Francisco may also be interested in pursuing legal remedies and supporting him with their sizable political and financial clout. The cult made a big mistake to invoke anti-gay prejudices as a smear tactic. No one should underestimate the gay community's sensitivity on this matter or its power to seek redress from its defamers.

I will not bother to correct the other lies, distortions and extracontextual quotations (all of which are on record in the FV archives) as I think the site is more damaging to Rawat as it stands - just as the revisionist lies on his own website (maharaji.org) are. And anyone who does not know me is not interested in the cult/CAC's lies but those who do know me will see it for what it is - a desperate and dishonest attempt to silence Rawat's critics.

However the cult should not have used expressions of anti-gay prejudice such as: ''(Conlon) claims to have homosexual liaisons with men;'' ''Conlon...seems to take particular delight in expressing the more bizarre fields of personal preferences;'' ''Conlon acknowledges a deluded lifestyle;'' ''Someone gave me a wig and a dress and I got up in drag for the second time in my life.'' All of these comments are designed to play on anti-gay prejudice and smear me with the supposedly hideous label of ''gay.'' The owner of the Pilsner Inn and I are openly and proudly gay and find this sort of stuff amusing but it is also extremely damaging to the cult.

Thanks CAC, you have made my day. The more lies cult members tell the better for those of us who want to speak the truth. The cult should have stuck to the facts and refuted critics of Rawat legally and rationally. Instead they have resorted to lies and twisting of facts. This only emphasizes their total disrespect for the truth, their arrogant belief that they are above the law and their solipsistic irresponsibility bordering on insanity.

cc The Attorney at Law for the Pilsner Inn and it's owner

cc The Attorney at Law for CUAV (a local gay anti-defamation organization)

cc The Attorney at Law for the Human Rights Commission (the national gay anti-defamation organization)

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 01:57:43 (EDT)
From: Barry
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Pat! I never realised how much...
Message:
of a nasty-ass bastard you are! Ha ha ha ha . hey! Great porn site my man!!!!
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:48:19 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Barry
Subject: Barry you wouldn't like my porn
Message:
They just posted a generic commercial smut site not mine. Mine would have too many penises and not enough vaginas for you. Hope you are settled in and prospering in your new home. Best wishes.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:41:00 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Spot on Pat :)
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:07:16 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: yes!!! go Pat
Message:
I hadn't thought of that mistake over the Inn manager thing. What freakin idiots they must think they can do ANYTHING! why does the word sociopathic come to mind? The other gross mistake,
it put me over the edge. like they couldn't even be bothered to edit ? Even a dipshit like ____ could do that, or so they brag - on and on and on and on they brag. God I am filled with the same sick feeling in my gut I had when I left Long beach in 1997. The premies who post, they call it hate (or fear, yeah right you know who) . But it's more like nausea and a deep sadness.
oh well, I'm glad Gerry is here and gerry please write to me a few people have asked for your address (I'll email you first who asked before I send it on)
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:37:52 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: All
Subject: 'I worship the quicksand he walks in.'
Message:
a quote by Mark Twain.

That rotten motherfucking son of a bitch. That immature megalomaniac! The nerve.

You anti-christ you....Maharaji of nothing.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:36:36 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Well done, Gerry! Thanks - NT
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:24:14 (EDT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: All
Subject: da infamous caca Lardus
Message:
Oh yeah: 'it's a war', m. reportedly said recently. Guess somewhere along the line der Lard himself and summa der fuhrer's premies forgot about da '1,000 years of peace' -- da lion and da lamb will live together in da promised land.

Da Russian Boris connection -- legally, a very convenient gulag outpost. Hey, talk about cyberstalking!!! Brilliant Minds at work in participation and synchronicity!

kudos, miragey! Praise da Lord incarnate fer showing da true colors of da 'big dog' Cerberus, who guards the proverbial gates of Hell.

'Where the Devil can't go he sends his grandmother.'
-- German proverb

'The Devil often transforms himself into an angel to tempt men, some for their instruction and some for their ruin.'
-- Saint Augustine

'The devil is free to remain good, but there is no good in him.'
-- Saint Thomas Aquinas

'God seeks comrades and claims love, the Devil seeks slaves and claims obedience.'
-- Tagore

Blessings to all da brothers and sisters!

Peace and lenitils,

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:24:00 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: All
Subject: F&^%$##@#@*& YOU MAHARAJI
Message:
SCREW YOU. YOU'LL GO UNDERGORUND, EVEN FURTHER. Emabarassed and sorry for having lied to us. You greedy bastard!
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:59:20 (EDT)
From: don puerco
Email: None
To: Silvia
Subject: Re: F&^%$##@#@*& YOU MAHARAJI
Message:
been smokin' bad stuff lately ???
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 08:51:18 (EDT)
From: and u 2
Email: None
To: don puerco
Subject: Re: F&^%$##@#@*& YOU MAHARAJI
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 08:15:05 (EDT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: don puerco
Subject: Blowing smoke
Message:
been smokin' bad stuff lately ???


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Are you looking to buy or looking to sell ?

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:19:44 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Hello gErRy
Message:
You cyberstalkin' cowboy.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:56:35 (EDT)
From: Mr. Mind
Email: None
To: All
Subject: An old expression
Message:
They should have known to 'let sleeping dogs, sleep'

Thanks Gerry

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:56:31 (EDT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: All
Subject: We have not yet begun to fight
Message:
fuck all the scumbags who would stoop so low.

those people are not public figures and your libelous crap says more about yourself and your Lord Maharaji than anything else.

You have lost the fight.

We will continue to be here spreading our message that Maharaji is a con-artist and not the god that you have been brainwashed into believing.
[ House of Maharaji Drek ]

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:53:36 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Rawat owes me 20 years
Message:
Rawat owes me 20 years, so he's got another 17 years to hear
from me on web sites such as this.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:47:53 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Thank goodness you are here
Message:
We need to take the fight to another level.

First, it is important not to let the EV monitors aware of our moves.

Don't tell them anything more than we want them to know. They have shown us what they are capable of doing. Let's do, not talk!

As if we needed more passion. Assholes that they are.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:57:36 (EDT)
From: Mr. Mind
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Damn, you beat me !
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:35:11 (EDT)
From: Bob (o)
Email: None
To: Mr. Mind
Subject: Hi folks!
Message:
Here we are again!!

I was wondering about the non-exes on the kaka site. How are they feeling about the threats against them ? Would this get us any more perspective about the origins/ motives of the author?

The other thing I was thinking about was tracing the agya.
On pia's site there were changes made after a few days, and then a week or so later.
Of course it is speculation, but this made me think that Pia, probably encouraged, put up the site, with some help from EV friends.
This established a quick feedback from EV and goober. Adjustments were ordered and executed, and then evaluated.

The kaka site could show the same pattern. If it does not change it could either be a rogue initiative, too hard or risky for EV to reach, (or simply because of hardheadedness of the site owner) OR have been deliberately constructed in advance by direct order of goober himself.




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