Joe -:- CAC Allegations -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:12:08 (EDT)

__ Jim -:- As they still say in Canada, right on! -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:23:36 (EDT)

a0aji -:- :::message in a bottle::: -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 12:57:52 (EDT)

__ Jim -:- Deb and I are banned from LG, not here -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:01:18 (EDT)

__ salam -:- why is she banned? -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:19:18 (EDT)

__ __ a0aji -:- Re: why is she banned? -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:27:54 (EDT)

__ __ Silvia -:- Re: why is she banned? -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:27:11 (EDT)

__ __ __ salam -:- Re: why is she banned? -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:36:41 (EDT)

Jean-Michel -:- Back from vacation in the US -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 12:19:18 (EDT)

__ Cynthia -:- Hi Jean-Michel -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:45:32 (EDT)

__ Pat:C) -:- Hi, J-M, hope you had a good vacation -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:34:41 (EDT)

__ silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER -:- Here is your page at CAC -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:03:53 (EDT)

__ __ Jean-Michel -:- Re: Here is your page at CAC -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:08:59 (EDT)

__ __ __ Georgette H. -:- Perhaps COMBAT would like to do a follow up [nt] -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:06:07 (EDT)

__ __ Roger AK eDrek -:- Glad you slipped through the U.S. dragnet -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:39:41 (EDT)

__ __ __ gerry -:- Nice work, comrade. -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:54:17 (EDT)

__ __ __ silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER -:- I do, and admire your courage -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:32:14 (EDT)

__ JHB -:- Re: Back from vacation in the US -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 12:29:35 (EDT)

__ __ Jean-Michel -:- Re: Back from vacation in the US -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:10:19 (EDT)

__ __ __ Salam -:- good to see you here -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:23:03 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ a0aji -:- Re: good to see you here -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:31:36 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ salam -:- I just e-mailed you -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:42:20 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ a0aji -:- ::tnx I will:: [nt] -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:47:27 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ salam -:- don't you talk to me like that -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:15:22 (EDT)

BTDT -:- Maharaji's temper -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:27:56 (EDT)

__ Joe -:- I had only one encounter -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:51:48 (EDT)

__ __ a0aji -:- ::I had no ambition:: -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:12:12 (EDT)

Something about -:- Boris -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:18:18 (EDT)

__ Salam -:- Re: Boris -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:56:31 (EDT)

__ Julian -:- The Mob -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:31:37 (EDT)

__ __ salsa -:- Re: The Mob -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:41:06 (EDT)

__ __ __ Guido Ji -:- Hey You Talkin to ME? (nt) -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:49:31 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ disalsa -:- YEAP nt -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:06:59 (EDT)

cq -:- Guess who needs more volunteers? -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:34:14 (EDT)

__ Selene -:- and writers perhaps??? -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:08:18 (EDT)

__ __ a0aji -:- ::bring it on:: -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:25:12 (EDT)

__ __ __ Selene -:- oooo scary stuff -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:08:37 (EDT)

__ __ __ a0aji -:- Re: ::my war face:: -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:42:04 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- What a cutie.... -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:33:42 (EDT)

__ __ Selene -:- ps forgot to add -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:45:37 (EDT)

__ silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER -:- Do you mean SLAVES? NT -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:52:09 (EDT)

__ __ cq -:- No, Sylvia, that's why there are vacancies. -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:10:40 (EDT)

__ __ __ silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER -:- I'm getting it -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:27:23 (EDT)

From LG -:- Bjørn E post -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:24:09 (EDT)

__ cq -:- Bjorn has chosen to stop posting here -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:57:46 (EDT)

__ Oh him -:- Isn't Bjørn the paedophile -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:52:23 (EDT)

__ __ salam -:- Re: Isn't Bjørn the paedophile -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:59:06 (EDT)

__ __ __ salsa -:- Re: Isn't Bjørn the paedophile -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:29:20 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ salam -:- Re: Isn't Bjørn the paedophile -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:45:09 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Bjørn isn't a pedophile -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:13:25 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ salam -:- Re: Bjørn isn't a pedophile -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 12:57:47 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry the powerless -:- Bjørn isn't a pedophile -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:10:53 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ salam -:- Man, that hurts. -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:34:11 (EDT)

JHB -:- Gerry - Email me re archiving!!!! -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 07:11:29 (EDT)

__ salam -:- jhb -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:34:58 (EDT)

Pat:C) -:- Joe, I apologize to David Smith too -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 03:54:43 (EDT)

__ a0aji -:- This is improvisational theatre, anyway -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:15:32 (EDT)

Loaf -:- LOTU -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 03:40:03 (EDT)

__ Pat:C) -:- We don't have new guard houses and security -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:08:45 (EDT)

__ __ Loaf -:- Re: We don't have new guard houses and security -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:17:01 (EDT)

__ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Are you sliced white bread, Loaf? -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:35:02 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Silvia -:- No sissies here, right! -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 07:49:19 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Sliced White Loafie -:- Pat, Small Potatoes is what I suspected [nt] -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 05:27:15 (EDT)

salam -:- The Truth About fatso -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 02:02:05 (EDT)

__ JHB -:- Re: The Truth About fatso -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 12:36:46 (EDT)

__ __ salam -:- yep -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:00:27 (EDT)

__ Pat:C) the Fat Fag -:- You are being fattist, Salam -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:15:00 (EDT)

__ __ Pat:C) -:- PS your forum has been down all day -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:30:39 (EDT)

__ __ __ salam -:- your computer doen not work -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:33:04 (EDT)

ELIZABETH -:- crapanyone? -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:06:19 (EDT)

btdt -:- Marolyn/Durga Ji -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:06:00 (EDT)

__ sILVIA, AFRAID OF RAWAT'S POWER -:- Marolyn/Durga Ji is a public figure -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 07:56:55 (EDT)

__ __ btdt -:- Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji is a public figure -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:35:21 (EDT)

__ a0aji -:- Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 02:07:29 (EDT)

__ __ btdt -:- Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:45:50 (EDT)

__ __ __ A premie told me with all that grace -:- it would make anyone a better parent -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:43:38 (EDT)

__ salam -:- Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:48:39 (EDT)

__ __ Pat:C) -:- Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji - fear -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:22:55 (EDT)

__ __ __ btdt -:- Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji - fear -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:41:33 (EDT)

Rich -:- The ONLY Focus....Maha/Rawat and HIS Behaviors -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 00:06:53 (EDT)

__ Richard -:- Damn, Rich... -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:31:53 (EDT)

__ Joe -:- Re: The ONLY Focus....Maha/Rawat and HIS Behaviors -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:08:20 (EDT)

__ Jim Sander -:- Rich, I agree 100% with you.. -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 00:21:02 (EDT)

__ __ RichMandrake -:- Thanks Jim... -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 00:40:26 (EDT)

__ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Nicely spoken, Rich -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 00:49:43 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Jesus Christ, Pat! -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:21:15 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Joe -:- Patrick? -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:14:09 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Re: I don't discourage it, Joe -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:23:07 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ salam -:- hey Patsee -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 03:09:50 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ salam -:- bull })}) -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 02:10:43 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Cow! b) -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:39:40 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ a0aji -:- As Gilmore said so well: -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 02:16:33 (EDT)

Roger eDrek -:- armed and extremely dangerous -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:52:47 (EDT)

__ silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER -:- Re: armed and extremely dangerous -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:02:42 (EDT)

__ SC -:- That is totally brilliant writing... -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 05:30:30 (EDT)

__ Roger AK eDrek -:- Thanks, check out the Chronicles of the Red Nighty -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:34:22 (EDT)

__ __ salam -:- Oh hello SC -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:44:13 (EDT)

__ __ __ SC -:- Hi Salam -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:33:00 (EDT)

__ Zelda -:- Re: armed and extremely dangerous -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:10:58 (EDT)

Marianne -:- Hey Salam! -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:37:33 (EDT)

__ [Blank] -:- Re: Hey Salam! -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:56:12 (EDT)

__ __ Stonor -:- LOL!!! -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:18:31 (EDT)

__ __ __ silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER -:- Re: LOL!!! -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:05:07 (EDT)

__ __ __ saucy -:- Re: LOL!!! -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:24:43 (EDT)

Carl -:- I just had this vision for a satire site; -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:24:21 (EDT)

__ such -:- we got a sat-ire site [nt] -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:29:37 (EDT)

__ __ Carl -:- Righto! Feelin' IRE-ish, aren't we? Satfully [nt] -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:41:12 (EDT)

premlita -:- What is going on? -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 21:40:31 (EDT)

__ afraid of M darkness -:- Re: What is going on? -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:58:34 (EDT)

__ Cedron -:- Re: What is going on?? -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:38:53 (EDT)

__ __ salam -:- Re: What is going on? -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:40:59 (EDT)

__ __ __ Cedron -:- Yes -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:33:03 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ salam -:- what language is that -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:57:51 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ Cedron -:- Re: what language is that -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:46:38 (EDT)

__ Zelda -:- Re: What is going on? -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:30:53 (EDT)

__ a0aji -:- Re: What is going on? -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 21:53:02 (EDT)

__ __ Would you prefer Prem-Latte -:- I think it means -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 12:41:33 (EDT)

__ __ Salam -:- Re: What is going on? -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:20:07 (EDT)

__ __ __ })})})})}) -:- Look everyone, a caca is here -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:29:37 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ a0aji -:- {{{{{{ moo [nt] -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:31:04 (EDT)

__ __ Look who's talking handles! -:- you ouiji tosser -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:19:07 (EDT)

__ __ __ Steve -:- Hi Wango -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 03:08:57 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ a0aji -:- Life's Grate: where the runoff goes.. -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 03:21:31 (EDT)

__ __ __ })})})})})})})})})}) -:- })})})})})})})})})})})})})})})) -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:30:28 (EDT)

__ __ __ [Blank] -:- Re: you ouiji tosser -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:28:07 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ a0aji -:- to sir with love -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:38:08 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ :( :( :( :( :( :( -:- :( :) :) :( :');( :9 :9 : :( :( :( -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:36:52 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ a0aji -:- must be using the MOOzilla browser [nt] -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:39:03 (EDT)

Pat:C) -:- My apologies to Charles Glasser -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 21:37:53 (EDT)

__ Peg -:- Re: My apologies to Charles Glasser -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 03:45:56 (EDT)

__ __ Pat:C) -:- That's deep, Peg. Thanks -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:42:26 (EDT)

__ Joe -:- Careful, Patrick.... -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:23:34 (EDT)

__ __ Richard -:- Right Joe -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:28:20 (EDT)

__ Abi -:- Re: My apologies to Charles Glasser -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:21:33 (EDT)

__ __ Pat:C) -:- Thanks Abi I really appreciate that -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:26:06 (EDT)

__ Jim -:- Full points for 'flexibility', Pat -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 21:55:08 (EDT)

__ __ Pat:C) -:- It's always Christmas, Jim -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:07:24 (EDT)

__ a0aji -:- Re: My apologies to Charles Glasser -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 21:48:12 (EDT)

__ Disculta -:- Re: My apologies to Charles Glasser -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 21:44:26 (EDT)

__ __ Pat:C) -:- Tooo funny - was thinking about you -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 21:48:06 (EDT)

__ __ __ Salam -:- Charles and Trust -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 02:46:38 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- FA please ban Salam -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:46:19 (EDT)

Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:12:08 (EDT) From: Joe Email: None To: All Subject: CAC Allegations Message:

The defamatory and probably illegal CAC Website, contains the following allegations, that I would hope we could discuss. Can anyone shed light on this, or are they total fabrications? Can we bring this out in the open as much as we can? They say: For several years, a few persons, working together, have tried to damage the personal and professional lives of many persons interested in Maharaji's teachings. Does anybody know what they are talking about? The EPO website and the Forum, have focused on Maharaji, and premies only to the extent that they have been helping Maharaji deceive people and be the fraud he is. The only incident I recall is when Charles Glasser Jr's website, which is a direct attack on the reputations and even mental conditions of all the ex-premies who post on the Forum, have written journies, etc. came onto the scene. Glasser tried to have it both ways. First, he gave all kinds of biographical information to puff himself up as some kind of really reputable and respectable person, and then totally freaked when he couldn't hide behind anonymity anymore and somebody revealed who he was, and every easily, where he worked. Was his employer contacted by ex-premies? What happened? And if Glasser is one, who are the other three (they say there are four of them, but you never know)? Does anybody have any idea? Is this, again, just a total fabrication? Who sent 'viruses' to people? This is lala land. Here's what they say: They have posted thousands of defamatory messages about us Well, this is a lie, except I think that many premies, think that if you talk about what a charlatan Maharaji is, that somehow it defames them personally. Well, it does kind of make them look foolish, but what 'defamatory' messages are they talking about, again, except for people like David Smith, Joan Apter, etc., and then only to the extent they did and said bizarre things while they were IN THE CULT, and not anything else about their lives. [They} have called our employers What is this about? Is this the Charles Glasser thing? Did somebody call his employer? What do they imply people SAID to the employer, if indeed they did call, and who are the employers? Anybody? , taken anonymous ads against us in the press,] Well, this I know is a blantant lie. The only 'ad' was taken out by a group called 'The Maharaji Responsbility Campaign' who took out an ad in a Boston newspaper, I believe right around the time Maharaji was speaking there about a year ago. It certainly wasn't defamatory to Maharaji, and never even mentioned premies, from what I saw. It referred people to a website where and 'open letter' to Maharaji was posted, asking that he clearly dissuade his followers from continuing to believe he was divine. It was very respectful, and, again, did not mention ANY of Maharaji's followers. Is there another ad I don't know about? sent us email viruses, Oh, please. fabricated documents bearing our names, Bearing whose names, and what documents? What the fuck are they talking about? doctored our photographs, The only photographs I have seen 'doctored' are some of Maharaji himself, and even premies have to admit they were very, very funny and he kind of had it coming, seeing that Maharaji is so excessively narcissistic that he has sold thousands of photographs of himself in all sizes over the years, many of which sat on altars and were bowed down to by these very people who are complaining. Perhaps premies really are COMPLETELY humorless, but I don't think they ALL are. But I have never seen a 'doctored' photo of any premie. and threatened us of violence and even death.Once again, please. Who threatened you with 'death?' I know Maharaji threatens it frequently. He talks about death all the time and how quickly it's coming. Is Maharaji a 'cyberstalker' too? All this because we chose to follow these teachings.. You know, sometimes ex-premies get on the cases of premies because they are JERKS, not because they are premies. Ex-premies can be jerks too and they also need to be called on it. We're all just people in the end with all our imperfections and frailties. But perhaps premies might make a distinction. Just because somebody says what you believe is ridiculous, contradictory, illusory and incoherent, it doesn't mean YOU are ridiculous or incoherent. Since by definition ex-premies once believed the same stuff, most of us can understand that you don't have to be an idiot to believe it. I believed it, for quite some time, and I don't think I'm an idiot because I did. Naive maybe; programmed certainly, but not stupid.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:23:36 (EDT) From: Jim Email: None To: Joe Subject: As they still say in Canada, right on! Message:

You're right about all this. Mind you, it's all so obvious so why am I making such a big deal about it? Please forget the subject line. Make it something more apt like 'Of course...'

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 12:57:52 (EDT) From: a0aji Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com To: All Subject: :::message in a bottle::: Message:

Deborah asked me to post for her because she is banned. --- quote --- Carlos and Isabella: Thank them for me, they are wonderful. --- unquote --- --- quote --- David Anderson: Tell him I am not paranoid, this is not a conspiracy theory, it is a blackmail website that is really up in the web. This is not an imaginary fear. --- unquote ---

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:01:18 (EDT) From: Jim Email: None To: a0aji Subject: Deb and I are banned from LG, not here Message:

Deb and I are banned from LG, not here.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:19:18 (EDT) From: salam Email: None To: a0aji Subject: why is she banned? Message:

who banned her? Tell her I tried to e-mail her but my e-mail bounced back.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:27:54 (EDT) From: a0aji Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com To: salam Subject: Re: why is she banned? Message:

who banned her? Tell her I tried to e-mail her but my e-mail bounced back. --- You know I just don't know .. I was passing on her (somewhat cryptic) message, which arrived in today's e-mail. BTW I made friends with a muslim family last year -- wonderful people (Pakistanis). Khadafis. (sp?)

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:27:11 (EDT) From: Silvia Email: None To: salam Subject: Re: why is she banned? Message:

what is your e-mail?

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:36:41 (EDT) From: salam Email: salam_au@iprimus.com.au To: Silvia Subject: Re: why is she banned? Message:

who is losing e-mails now? I haven't written to you because I have 3 e-mails and don't know which one to use. Been long time since I spoke to you. e-mail me Salam.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 12:19:18 (EDT) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: All Subject: Back from vacation in the US Message:

Guess what ? I've brought a lot of new stuff for EPO .... 1/ People Weekly magazine article June 75 2/ My (borrowed) copy of 'Sacred Journeys' 3/ About 220 more pages of the 'Paramhansa Advait Mat' book, with details on Shiv Dayal, Sarupanand, Vairag Anand, pictures etc (borrowed the book from the Harvard library) and some other secret stuff ... Don't expect this to be tomorrow on EPO, that will take a few weeks. Hundreds of new pages will be online. Don't understand much of the caca issue. Would someone summerize the whole issue ?

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:45:32 (EDT) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Hi Jean-Michel Message:

Glad you had a safe trip and didn't get stopped at customs for being an anti-cultist! Hope you're well, Love, Cynthia

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:34:41 (EDT) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Hi, J-M, hope you had a good vacation Message:

I'm sorry that you have been included on that ugly CACA site but I am very proud to have my name mext to yours.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:03:53 (EDT) From: silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Here is your page at CAC Message:

link: http://www.stopcyberstalkers.org/jean-michel-khan.htm Sit down well to read it: It may make you a little mad. I hope your vacation was a fun one: it seems it was. ;)

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:08:59 (EDT) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER Subject: Re: Here is your page at CAC Message:

I'm glad to discover that so many people love me, finally !!!

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:06:07 (EDT) From: Georgette H. Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Perhaps COMBAT would like to do a follow up [nt] Message:

[nt]

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:39:41 (EDT) From: Roger AK eDrek Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Glad you slipped through the U.S. dragnet Message:

We ask readers to provide us with any leads that may help institutionalize him or extradite him to the U.S. J-M, thank god they didn't catch you here in the U.S. Must be some of that good old spy training you got when you worked for the KGB.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:54:17 (EDT) From: gerry Email: None To: Roger AK eDrek Subject: Nice work, comrade. Message:

I trust you got the materials in OK? . . . . . . . . . (snicker)

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:32:14 (EDT) From: silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: I do, and admire your courage Message:

and determination to expose what you know. I had the pleassure to meet you in person and of sharing few days, with your company and that of other ex-premies we visited together. You are a very nice person. Even that our trip around US was not all great all the time, I know who you are. The police scene was funny though: I will never forget it! hahahahahaha......those teeth...LOL

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 12:29:35 (EDT) From: JHB Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Re: Back from vacation in the US Message:

There's a new site - www.stopcyberstalkers.org. It gives personal details of a number of exes including some communist ex-instructor in France. It's hosted by a Russian ISP, and the domain is owned by some Russian guy called Boris who says he lives in Moscow. Sir Dave was one of the victims and got very upset about the address where his children live being given as his address (he lives elsewhere), and a photo of himself with his daughter being published. He decided that he could not risk his family, and so acceded to their demands for him to close all his sites, and stop 'cyber stalking' Maharaji. Sir Dave has therefore retired from on-line anti Maharaji activities, and CAC have removed his entry from their site. Other exes have made copies of his Truth about Maharaji site, and I have all the F6 archives. Gerry started F7 to continue the debate. EV have issued a statement condemning these types of sites. At the same time, I received a request from EV to remove the 'harboring a paedophile' allegation. I have done this (although all the evidence remains), and I'll email you to let you know my current thinking. John.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:10:19 (EDT) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: JHB Subject: Re: Back from vacation in the US Message:

Great !!!!!

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:23:03 (EDT) From: Salam Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: good to see you here Message:

and since your a commie and Boris a russkie, do you think you can work out somwthing :)

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:31:36 (EDT) From: a0aji Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com To: Salam Subject: Re: good to see you here Message:

Yeah, you commies all alike. All Your Base Are Belong To Us! Good to see you here, Jean-Michel. Chris (And On Anand Ji) Follow the link if interested in a new private forum to discuss the future of some of the web sites associated with the Ex Premies. [ [Sign Up Sheet] ]

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:42:20 (EDT) From: salam Email: None To: a0aji Subject: I just e-mailed you Message:

check your yahooji mail

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:47:27 (EDT) From: a0aji Email: None To: salam Subject: ::tnx I will:: [nt] Message:

[nt]

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:15:22 (EDT) From: salam Email: None To: a0aji Subject: don't you talk to me like that Message:

or dissappear. What's next?

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:27:56 (EDT) From: BTDT Email: None To: All Subject: Maharaji's temper Message:

I've read the journeys about Maharaji getting mad about service projects not being up to his 'standards'. Does anyone have any information concerning his temper outbursts that were not a result of a specific project? Does he just get furious out of the blue? So how come he could get so mad about an airplane seat buckle and not Jagdeo?

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:51:48 (EDT) From: Joe Email: None To: BTDT Subject: I had only one encounter Message:

I was never 'x-rated' and I have never even been to 'the residence' in Malibu, and only marginally at 'the residence' in Miami Beach, and not while Maharaji was there. I'm sure others who were, can tell you stories about that, both Dettmers and Donner, for example. Since they were 'x-rated' Maharaji might have felt he could let more hang out then. But I saw an event that really freaked me out about Maharaji in 1979 or 1980 in Miami. I won't repeat all the details, because I've told it a couple of times already, but it had to do with the stage for one of the big Hans Jayanti festivals in Kissimmee. He hated the stage, (they had built a mock up so he could comment) and the 'residence' they were building for him up there, but he just continually humiliated and brow-beat the premies who were doing it and refused to say what it was he didn't like. He didn't like it and he just seemed to get more furious that the premies couldn't read his mind and do what he wanted without him having to tell them. To see the cowering fear among those premies, who believed he was God or close to us, and who blamed themselves for being unable to serve the living incarnation of God was very frightening. I watched this from the sidelines and it made me sick to my stomach. The 'master-devotee' relationship is inherently sick, dehumanizing, and as we know from hearing about Maharaji's other behaviors, open to rampant abuse of human beings. I recall some of those premies giving satsang later, which in retrospect sounded a lot like rationalization. They speculated on what Maharaji was trying to 'teach them' what they 'needed to learn', how they needed to 'pray for the grace to surrender,' and how all they wanted to do was be 'used up' by Maharaji and disapear as a seperate, individual being. It kind of makes me sick just to remember that.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:12:12 (EDT) From: a0aji Email: None To: Joe Subject: ::I had no ambition:: Message:

I was never 'x-rated' and I have never even been to 'the residence' in Malibu, and only marginally at 'the residence' in Miami Beach, and not while Maharaji was there. I'm sure others who were, can tell you stories about that, both Dettmers and Donner, for example. Since they were 'x-rated' Maharaji might have felt he could let more hang out then. But I saw an event that really freaked me out about Maharaji in 1979 or 1980 in Miami. I won't repeat all the details, because I've told it a couple of times already, but it had to do with the stage for one of the big Hans Jayanti festivals in Kissimmee. He hated the stage, (they had built a mock up so he could comment) and the 'residence' they were building for him up there, but he just continually humiliated and brow-beat the premies who were doing it and refused to say what it was he didn't like. He didn't like it and he just seemed to get more furious that the premies couldn't read his mind and do what he wanted without him having to tell them. To see the cowering fear among those premies, who believed he was God or close to us, and who blamed themselves for being unable to serve the living incarnation of God was very frightening. I watched this from the sidelines and it made me sick to my stomach. The 'master-devotee' relationship is inherently sick, dehumanizing, and as we know from hearing about Maharaji's other behaviors, open to rampant abuse of human beings. I recall some of those premies giving satsang later, which in retrospect sounded a lot like rationalization. They speculated on what Maharaji was trying to 'teach them' what they 'needed to learn', how they needed to 'pray for the grace to surrender,' and how all they wanted to do was be 'used up' by Maharaji and disapear as a seperate, individual being. It kind of makes me sick just to remember that. --- Yeah. I didn't have much ambition, so the services I did rarely gained me any notice by anybody. I'd do security at night, for example. Nothing ever happened on my watch. If it wasn't for the darshan line, I'd have never had much sense of Maharaji, other than what he does when on stage. Now that I think about it, I know most theatrical actors much more intimately than I ever knew Maharaji, since I'm not afraid to speak with them after the show is over. I never once wrote to Maharaji; I'd heard him quoted as saying 'that letter has no heart in it' or somesuch; I didn't want my letter being put to any test of heart -- because it seemed to me the 'heart' theory was being applied to people whom *I* thought had plenty of *heart*. I'm sure, for a microsecond, I thought 'what an asshole that Maharaji is.' Way to go, Chris' brain! You're pretty smart! I'm sorry I didn't listen to you -- you were always loyal; always looking out for me.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:18:18 (EDT) From: Something about Email: None To: All Subject: Boris Message:

I am curious.. Since the cac site author is supposedly Boris,has anyone written ev and asked them Specifically if they have any contact with him, or know him in any way? And will they join with epo in denouncing his thinly veiled campaign to threaten critics of maharaji? Will they tell him to remove the anti-ex posts? Do they see how much this is hurting m/ev if they don't? Does ev categorically deny that anyone associated with maharaji has been working with Boris 'behind the scenes'. This would be good to get in writing, in case further revelations indicate they did. Also, would Boris be so kind as to list a few 'cyberstalkers' from the premie community who continuously harass epo contributors? And would Boris include a bio on maharaji himself? When you think about the way that m operates, and the deceptions he has engaged in, isn't he misusing the internet to fraudulently take in people? When you think about how the cac can distort things about a person, imagine what that mentality could do on a guy with a past like maharaji?

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:56:31 (EDT) From: Salam Email: None To: Something about Subject: Re: Boris Message:

Elan Vital claims that they have no knowledge of Who the CAC Group is. Charles Glasser claims the same. In an interesting post below, JHB had also pointed this out. Unfortunatly, as long as there is no evidence linking EV and CG to CAC, I am adopting the same approach. It maybe that CAC is a run away train. Ev attitude about the whole affair is that of someone being beaten. Am sure they can know who are the people behind CAC if they want. But I guess forums do not enrich people's experience of knowledge. Does Maharaji knows. He has to. He is a god, no? rawarsucks

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:31:37 (EDT) From: Julian Email: None To: Something about Subject: The Mob Message:

The mob always has 2 faces. Threaten, blackmail, harrass, knee-cap, pimp, drug & arms run and extort but when asked about it they will condemn such practices publically and vehemently. Look at IRA/Sinn Fein for another good example. Elan Vital is the friendly public face of the mob just like Sinn Fein is the friendly face of the IRA. The godfather always remains set apart and unaccountable. This is how mobs work.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:41:06 (EDT) From: salsa Email: None To: Julian Subject: Re: The Mob Message:

you got it right!

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:49:31 (EDT) From: Guido Ji Email: None To: salsa Subject: Hey You Talkin to ME? (nt) Message:

[nt]

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:06:59 (EDT) From: disalsa Email: None To: Guido Ji Subject: YEAP nt Message:

nt write

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:34:14 (EDT) From: cq Email: None To: All Subject: Guess who needs more volunteers? Message:

35 vacancies now up for grabs on the Marie Celeste ... ooops, sorry, at Elan Vital UK: current vacancies: Last updated on 15:08:01 Midlands Area Roles current vacancies include: Area Communications Contact, Area Introductory Contact, Area Aspirant Contact, Area Post Knowledge Support Contact, Area Materials Contact, Area Participation Contact, view roles... North East Area roles current vacancies include: Area Communications Contact, Area Introductory Contact, Area Aspirant Contact, Area Post Knowledge Support Contact, Area Materials Contact, Area Participation Contact, view roles... North West Area roles current vacancies include: Area Communications Contact, Area Introductory Contact, Area Aspirant Contact, Area Post Knowledge Support Contact, Area Materials Contact, Area Participation Contact, view roles... South East Area Roles current vacancies include: Area Communications Contact, Area Introductory Contact, Area Aspirant Contact, Area Post Knowledge Support Contact, Area Materials Contact, Area Participation Contact, view roles... South West Area Roles current vacancies include: Area Communications Contact, Area Introductory Contact, Area Aspirant Contact, Area Post Knowledge Support Contact, Area Materials Contact, Area Participation Contact, [ Page Link ]

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:08:18 (EDT) From: Selene Email: None To: cq Subject: and writers perhaps??? Message:

Hey Roger you could apply you just got an endorsement from a VERY talented writer. No really, I did like your story. Too bad so much of it is true b) :) (joke, I hope) HA HA I love it. Vacancies in service tothe Lord of the Universe. How organized and structured god is these days. Am not around much and it's not only because I think CAC has reaffirmed my convictions about the HATE and repressed growth so many premies carry around and spout out at the wrong people. But it is the beginning of the year and all the teachers (real teachers) and students (ditto) who were playing all summer suddenly have found me and are in a panic. I'm very busy. And whenit all settles down in my life I am not sure what I'll be doing around here. But one thing for certain, I am in agreement with Deborah, I won't be showing my cards. All these armed and dangerous people !! How funny having a gun is the norm where I live. I'm quite good. So my bio could read... Along with many visits to ER to remove ......... from ........ this person is also mentally unstable and armed. rawatsucks. Time for coffee!

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:25:12 (EDT) From: a0aji Email: chris@hafey.com To: Selene Subject: ::bring it on:: Message:

Hey Roger you could apply you just got an endorsement from a VERY talented writer. No really, I did like your story. Too bad so much of it is true b) :) (joke, I hope) HA HA I love it. Vacancies in service tothe Lord of the Universe. How organized and structured god is these days. Am not around much and it's not only because I think CAC has reaffirmed my convictions about the HATE and repressed growth so many premies carry around and spout out at the wrong people. But it is the beginning of the year and all the teachers (real teachers) and students (ditto) who were playing all summer suddenly have found me and are in a panic. I'm very busy. And whenit all settles down in my life I am not sure what I'll be doing around here. But one thing for certain, I am in agreement with Deborah, I won't be showing my cards. All these armed and dangerous people !! How funny having a gun is the norm where I live. I'm quite good. So my bio could read... Along with many visits to ER to remove ......... from ........ this person is also mentally unstable and armed. rawatsucks. Time for coffee! --- See, I want them to show up at my doorstep. ;) I'd love nothing better. I have a lot of unresolved anger, and I'm combative to begin with. You know I have not seen a premie (friend or foe), face to face, since I first viewed this site? Not one, not once. Bring it on. I repeat my challenge to CAC: profile me. See if I care! If I am very lucky, I'll get a book deal or a movie out of it. Chris Hafey, Torrington CT USA (phone number is in the book) [ My Web Site ]

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:08:37 (EDT) From: Selene Email: None To: a0aji Subject: oooo scary stuff Message:

NO I like your pic. You look Irish heee. I could see you in a movie. All of this and all of our characters are great writing material. Wish I had time to just create and write. Something about writing code takes it out of me. Interesting, that. About your not seeing any premies. I haven't either. Not since January of 1998!! Except once crossing a busy intersection one was crossing the other way and gooned one of 'those' smiles at me and we both kept walking.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:42:04 (EDT) From: a0aji Email: None To: a0aji Subject: Re: ::my war face:: Message:

See, I want them to show up at my doorstep. ;) I'd love nothing better. I have a lot of unresolved anger, and I'm combative to begin with. You know I have not seen a premie (friend or foe), face to face, since I first viewed this site? Not one, not once. Bring it on. I repeat my challenge to CAC: profile me. See if I care! If I am very lucky, I'll get a book deal or a movie out of it. Chris Hafey, Torrington CT USA (phone number is in the book) --- My war face. Bring it on. [ Graphic Link ]

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:33:42 (EDT) From: Cynthia Email: None To: a0aji Subject: What a cutie.... Message:

Hi Chris, I just emailed you to register. Hey, you haven't changed a bit, err, well, maybe a little bit. You are a naughty boy indeed. Torrington? I have friends in Torrington, Morris, and Litchfield. How'd you make to to Torrington, of all places? Next time I go to Conn. to see my family, it's right on my way. Let's get together. I don't know when that will be, because I'm quite busy these days, but I'd love to see you and gossip about the old premie crowd! Love, Cynthia

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:45:37 (EDT) From: Selene Email: None To: Selene Subject: ps forgot to add Message:

A big THANK YOU to all the people who saved the contents of The Truth About Maharaji. (no need to answer this) ok see ya

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:52:09 (EDT) From: silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER Email: None To: cq Subject: Do you mean SLAVES? NT Message:

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:10:40 (EDT) From: cq Email: None To: silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER Subject: No, Sylvia, that's why there are vacancies. Message:

No, Sylvia, that's why there are vacancies. Slaves can't leave, even if they want to. But look on the bright side - at least some premies are finding the courage to re-evaluate. Maybe we can assist in that process. After all, every single one of us exes was once a premie, weren't we? And walking away wasn't exactly easy for many of us. I think the more we can empathise with those premies who are 'on the borderline' of making such a major change in their lives, the better the communications will be between us all. Balance is the key.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:27:23 (EDT) From: silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER Email: None To: cq Subject: I'm getting it Message:

I'm, really. I don't attack premies as I did, if you have noticed. The insultive ones can have my understanding too. Fanaticism is a 'disease' too. Thanks cq.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:24:09 (EDT) From: From LG Email: None To: All Subject: Bjørn E post Message:

Posted: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 07:59:38 (EDT) Original: NA Posted by: Bjørn E Recipient: All Email Address: Not Provided Browser Type: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) Message Count: 4 visits (4 today, 4 this week, 4 this month, 4 this year) Subject: One difference between exes and Message: 'other people' seems to appear. For years exes has been harrissing, entering the private sphere, libelled and written all bad thing about 'other people'. No one of the exes raised a voice, that this was not Ok. Now some exes has gotten their own medicine in the face by the cac site. So all the 'other people' (and the exes) say a 'no, no' to such sites. Even EV who has been the exes target for years says a 'no, no.' So the conclusion is I think 'other people' and EV show some integrity.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:57:46 (EDT) From: cq Email: None To: From LG Subject: Bjorn has chosen to stop posting here Message:

Bjorn has chosen to stop posting here, (link) so maybe it'd be best to post any feedback to him over on LG, where at least he has a chance to attempt to defend his viewpoint.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:52:23 (EDT) From: Oh him Email: None To: From LG Subject: Isn't Bjørn the paedophile Message:

why you post his crap here?

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:59:06 (EDT) From: salam Email: None To: Oh him Subject: Re: Isn't Bjørn the paedophile Message:

because bj is one of the CAC Group. They are trying to justify their action to the world as having been on the recieving end of the stick. EXes I love all. If this was a political party, we would have won the presidency.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:29:20 (EDT) From: salsa Email: None To: salam Subject: Re: Isn't Bjørn the paedophile Message:

BJ was a while back telling us on F7 that 'something' may happen if we continue trashing mariachiji. I remember that clearly, because I saw it as a warning. Yes. I think he is in it.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:45:09 (EDT) From: salam Email: None To: salsa Subject: Re: Isn't Bjørn the paedophile Message:

what sort are u? The salsa. This whole afair could be the creation of a crazed maniac. It is even very likely that the owner lives in a country close to Russia, has links there through business contacts. He could by trying to fool us by putting a picyute that locks like that Ameican shit house. No sir. The people that worked on Pia's site have moved to CAC. Notice the split coulmn. What am pissed of about is that they have copied the exact method that I used to crticise Pia's site. Yep, some scandanavians are involved into this.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:13:25 (EDT) From: gerry Email: None To: salam Subject: Bjørn isn't a pedophile Message:

That was a mistake. He is from Norway. I doubt he has anything to do with CAC, but that's just my personal opinion. Since he's not posting here, if you want to engage him go to Lifes Grate.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 12:57:47 (EDT) From: salam Email: None To: gerry Subject: Re: Bjørn isn't a pedophile Message:

I did not say he was. All I know is that he doesn't have the best childhoods. And, if I want to talk about him here I will and if I want to go there I will too, so what you gonna do about it ha, common shtick em up now }).

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:10:53 (EDT) From: gerry the powerless Email: None To: salam Subject: Bjørn isn't a pedophile Message:

I did not say he was. All I know is that he doesn't have the best childhoods. And, if I want to talk about him here I will and if I want to go there I will too, so what you gonna do about it ha, common shtick em up now }). --- No, I can't do anything about it. Except for maybe this: [ Graphic Link ]

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:34:11 (EDT) From: salam Email: None To: gerry the powerless Subject: Man, that hurts. Message:

you bastard. Who is the FA here? Please ban gerry.sheesh

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 07:11:29 (EDT) From: JHB Email: jhb@ex-premie.org To: All Subject: Gerry - Email me re archiving!!!! Message:

:-)

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:34:58 (EDT) From: salam Email: salam_au@iprimus.com.au To: JHB Subject: jhb Message:

do you need a spanish translator, if you do e-mail me and tell me what u want to translate. Please don't say you want everything translated :)

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 03:54:43 (EDT) From: Pat:C) Email: pdconlon@hotmail.com To: All Subject: Joe, I apologize to David Smith too Message:

It's late but I must write this to you now because I have a heavy week ahead of me building up to Labor Day and then I'm taking a week off. I don't know when I'll get another opportunity. I answered your post about anger kind of superficially while having a tea break at work so I'll add a bit to that. I think by now you must know that I value your judgement a lot. That's why I am writing this. When I first arrived on FV I was extremely angry about the suicide of an aspirant here in SF. I expressed that but I also did the fag thing and that is I hid a lot of my hurt with campy jokes. I know you'll understand what I'm talking about. Like many despised people, the Jews, cockneys, Irish etc we often deal with our pain with humor. But eventually the laughter took over. It was exhilirating to be free of Maharajism and so there was Thelma etc and gossip about premies I had known - vicious gossip which you chided me for several times. Yes, I also expressed anger and a lot of other emotions. I did that in a very self-indulgent way. I was purging myself of Maharajism. But eventually the campiness took over and I made a fool of myself and gossiped. So, I apologise to all the people referred to on my CAC profile: David Smith, Belkis Shah, Marolyn Rawat and George Blodwell for saying some pretty irresponsible stuff about them. Reading what I had said about premies on CAC was a very sobering experience. I feel that only I really deserve to be on that site because I said some nasty stuff about premies. The others listed there (except maybe Jim whom I am convinced is really a New York Jew pretending to live in Canada - he's too blunt and outspoken for a tame Canuck) simply said nasty things about Rawat and don't deserve to be there because they are entitled to say that Rawat really is the only one who can straighten out this mess by addressing the fact that he created it whether by omission or commission. Reading that stuff that I said made me realize that I was in danger of slipping into the same ugliness that drove me out of the cult in the first place. I've had bad reviews before and been upset for days but then gone back and read them and used the criticism as advice to make my business better. CAC did that for me. It showed me that my love for life and a belief in caring for others and that beauty and kindness are the most important things in life and are the things that brought me to Maharajism and are what I still want and largely have. Watching the fog swirl past the streetlamps tonight on the way home from work made me feel very lucky to live in such a beautiful city as San Francisco. Another perfect day in paradise by the bay. (But I'm not going to live in a fool's paradise. I am fully aware of the veiled threat in Mr Glasser's emails: if I don't comply then he will include CAC on his site. I really am not completely foolish - but neither do I care one way or the other if he does.) The other thing that CAC has done for me: it shocked me to see my name there alongside some very illustrious names. It made me realize that I can't just indulge myself in group therapy online and vent my emotions and have fun (well not all the time) and that some weight has been added to my name and I have a new responsibility. I know you would not mind being on CAC anymore than I do (hardly anyone will see it anyway) and am sorry that your name is not there along side mine because I really trust and respect you.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:15:32 (EDT) From: a0aji Email: chris@hafey.com To: Pat:C) Subject: This is improvisational theatre, anyway Message:

It's late but I must write this to you now because I have a heavy week ahead of me building up to Labor Day and then I'm taking a week off. I don't know when I'll get another opportunity. I answered your post about anger kind of superficially while having a tea break at work so I'll add a bit to that. I think by now you must know that I value your judgement a lot. That's why I am writing this. When I first arrived on FV I was extremely angry about the suicide of an aspirant here in SF. I expressed that but I also did the fag thing and that is I hid a lot of my hurt with campy jokes. I know you'll understand what I'm talking about. Like many despised people, the Jews, cockneys, Irish etc we often deal with our pain with humor. But eventually the laughter took over. It was exhilirating to be free of Maharajism and so there was Thelma etc and gossip about premies I had known - vicious gossip which you chided me for several times. Yes, I also expressed anger and a lot of other emotions. I did that in a very self-indulgent way. I was purging myself of Maharajism. But eventually the campiness took over and I made a fool of myself and gossiped. So, I apologise to all the people referred to on my CAC profile: David Smith, Belkis Shah, Marolyn Rawat and George Blodwell for saying some pretty irresponsible stuff about them. Reading what I had said about premies on CAC was a very sobering experience. I feel that only I really deserve to be on that site because I said some nasty stuff about premies. The others listed there (except maybe Jim whom I am convinced is really a New York Jew pretending to live in Canada - he's too blunt and outspoken for a tame Canuck) simply said nasty things about Rawat and don't deserve to be there because they are entitled to say that Rawat really is the only one who can straighten out this mess by addressing the fact that he created it whether by omission or commission. Reading that stuff that I said made me realize that I was in danger of slipping into the same ugliness that drove me out of the cult in the first place. I've had bad reviews before and been upset for days but then gone back and read them and used the criticism as advice to make my business better. CAC did that for me. It showed me that my love for life and a belief in caring for others and that beauty and kindness are the most important things in life and are the things that brought me to Maharajism and are what I still want and largely have. Watching the fog swirl past the streetlamps tonight on the way home from work made me feel very lucky to live in such a beautiful city as San Francisco. Another perfect day in paradise by the bay. (But I'm not going to live in a fool's paradise. I am fully aware of the veiled threat in Mr Glasser's emails: if I don't comply then he will include CAC on his site. I really am not completely foolish - but neither do I care one way or the other if he does.) The other thing that CAC has done for me: it shocked me to see my name there alongside some very illustrious names. It made me realize that I can't just indulge myself in group therapy online and vent my emotions and have fun (well not all the time) and that some weight has been added to my name and I have a new responsibility. I know you would not mind being on CAC anymore than I do (hardly anyone will see it anyway) and am sorry that your name is not there along side mine because I really trust and respect you. --- I don't think overly-apologizing is really on-target, either. We all say crap here because the form suggests it. That *is* the cost of anonymity. As the pop saying goes, 'they just don't get it.' I am dead sure this cannot change until the anonymous requirement is dropped in favor of using accountable names (not necessarily real names, but /permanent/ ones and with (yes) passwords. Each byline here is a name brand. The big hurdle for most folk used to be (maybe still is) owning their old identity when the inevitable happens: they f*ck up but good, and do it all naked on the front lawn. I've done my share -- trust me on that one. I still do it. The *form* demands it! You don't want to do it, you either cop an attitude (nothing wrong with that, but it is an artifice) or you find another place to dwell. This anonymous stuph always degrades to what we have right now: circus. My opinion only, of course. a0aji (Chris Hafey, Torrington, CT USA) [ My Website ]

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 03:40:03 (EDT) From: Loaf Email: None To: All Subject: LOTU Message:

I wrote a huge rambling post here.. but by the end of it I had become unclear about what I was saying. I was aware of how it might 'look' - both to the exes (for some of whom it might have been too reconciliatory) and for the CAC merchants (for some of whom it might have been too reconciliatory. Therefore I have removed it cos my feelings are all mixed up. Loaf

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:08:45 (EDT) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Loaf Subject: We don't have new guard houses and security Message:

I forget how many hundreds of thousands of dollars were recently spent on a guard house, new gates and a state of the art security sytem at Master Rawat's palace. Yes, the perception of his worldy power compared with our lowliness by his devotees was not thought out very clearly. I just loved the rest of you post. I do think of Rawat much as the story of the local Indian gentleman who was recently convicted of all sorts of crimes here in the Bay Area. In the US he was a criminal but in his hometown in India he had banners erected to him saying that he was god.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:17:01 (EDT) From: Loaf Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: Re: We don't have new guard houses and security Message:

Pat.. i am glad you liked it. As i wrote it I got more scared of the implications i was seeing, and not wanting to peddle alarm, I decided to take it down. I dont even have a copy of it on me puter,,, but it means a lot to me that you liked it. Its odd feeling slightly nervous of attack from big brother Thanks :)

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:35:02 (EDT) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Loaf Subject: Are you sliced white bread, Loaf? Message:

No! You've got more substance than that. Get Big Brother in proportion. He is really very small potatoes in this big world which of course is why we can't get any government authorities or mainstream media interested in him. So, we might be theater lovers but we aren't sissies!

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 07:49:19 (EDT) From: Silvia Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: No sissies here, right! Message:

I just got up, dozed out still. I don't get what you are talking about well but I get something. We were lied to for over twenty years and now EV wants appologozies. All members of EV are acompplices in the RAWAT thing and screw them all. Devotion or no devotion. That they need a master or not. That there is freedom of believeing in whatever god you chose or not. THE REALITY IS WE DISCOVER THE GUY IS FAKE AND HE HURT MANY, MANY PEOPLE AND NOW, I SAID THIS ALSO, again. Maharaji is not the only responsible person here, but each member of EV and no ex-premies should be talking to this type of liars, full of ignorance and greed. These liars made a lot of damage to all of us. Took many years of our lives away and what is left of our lives will be affected also. Can one totally recover if the damage done is in the subconscient mind? Can a person be like before? How can I, others ever be the same person? EV is attacking because they are afraid. Of whom? Of their LORD, who must be as pissed as he can be, blaming all in everyone, never himself, of course. You have to appologize as you did above? You are a nice person, I can tell, but in my opiion, you didn't have to do that. David Smith is a fanatic person who a look can set him in motion and I don't like the fact that his two underware are transparent. HE laughed at us, maharaji made fun of us and he is ultimately evil TO ME! Show off ass master. I mad and I have tons of things to do today, fighting other idiotic people similar to the bunch. May the UNIVERSE have mercy in all the deceivers of the world, because revenge or no revenge, I have rights and I will defend them and fight to unmask them. All my life I put the other cheek but when they mess around with my family, I am capable of going for the yugular and I'm getting stronger everyday. I'll do it. I felt before I had no energy or sense of direction, having found GOD was a liar but now is now. Who is EV to blackmail people? Who do they think they are? We'll see. The best is yet to come. If I was 'them', I'll pack up because some of us don't have to take it anymore. We don't and we will not. I got carried away and I will post this, anyway, because it is how I feel, sincerely. We don't have to be sissies. THEY ARE WRONG, NOT US!

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 05:27:15 (EDT) From: Sliced White Loafie Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: Pat, Small Potatoes is what I suspected [nt] Message:

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 02:02:05 (EDT) From: salam Email: salam_au@iprimus.com.au To: All Subject: The Truth About fatso Message:

Before This site went into memory lane I managed to download it. I have few Megs of information on my hard drive which I want to mirror, i.e. ftp it to someone else in case my hard drive crashes. I also want to reformat the info in a diffrent was, I think the way Sir Dave put it sucks :) [sorry]. So there you go, what goes down must come up or is it the other way? To all interested parties you know my e-mail. Help is needed. [cacas: don't bother to contact me please, ta]. p.s. does anyone know how Sir Dave is, I am a bit worried about him, he has these moment of black mood as some can remember when he tried to close AG few months ago. I hope he is o.k. SD, if you are about and don't want to be on this forum, put on your halloween custome and come to here I miss you, you pommy bastared.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 12:36:46 (EDT) From: JHB Email: None To: salam Subject: Re: The Truth About fatso Message:

Salam, I don't know how Sir Dave is, and I also hope he's fine. But this threat to shut down AG? You're not refering to the one he made on April 1st are you? If so, it's no evidence of a dark mood, just a healthy sense of humour:-) John.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:00:27 (EDT) From: salam Email: None To: JHB Subject: yep Message:

well we the Ageers took it seriously. Though he changed his mind, but he did send everyone to hell for 2 weeks.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:15:00 (EDT) From: Pat:C) the Fat Fag Email: None To: salam Subject: You are being fattist, Salam Message:

Yes, I miss Sir Dave too and wish him only the very best that life has to offer and much love and good thoughts. Email me if you want to ftp something to me but I also saved the Truth about the Chubster, oops, Master.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:30:39 (EDT) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Pat:C) the Fat Fag Subject: PS your forum has been down all day Message:

Tried several times and just now. Until it's up - it's duckhunting season at Anything Goes Too

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:33:04 (EDT) From: salam Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: your computer doen not work Message:

you really need to re-format your hard drive, sheesh. Hey that cheeting changing the name of your forum like that. Where is the girl with the hat. Bring her back or I steal you carrots. Nothing wrong with me place, http://pub29.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=2463394014&cpv=1

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:06:19 (EDT) From: ELIZABETH Email: None To: All Subject: crapanyone? Message:

please tell me you are nice guy jim heller

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:06:00 (EDT) From: btdt Email: None To: All Subject: Marolyn/Durga Ji Message:

Is she not a public figure like Tammy Faye Baker? She was on stage quite a lot and published satsangs of hers appeared quite often in Divine Times and the magazine. Or is she as much a victim as the rest of us?

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 07:56:55 (EDT) From: sILVIA, AFRAID OF RAWAT'S POWER Email: None To: btdt Subject: Marolyn/Durga Ji is a public figure Message:

She was our MOTHER,jesus christ!

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:35:21 (EDT) From: btdt Email: None To: sILVIA, AFRAID OF RAWAT'S POWER Subject: Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji is a public figure Message:

Yes, you are correct. She was portrayed to be 'mother'. I remember very well the Holi in Miami when she was pregnant with Dya. She was quite beautiful and had a new air of maternal aura. One of the biggie initiators came to our town shortly after that and said he didn't know how it was possible but Maharaji had transformed Marolyn into our 'mother'. From then on it was the style to refer to her as 'mom'. I could never do that.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 02:07:29 (EDT) From: a0aji Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com To: btdt Subject: Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji Message:

I think she's a little of both; or rather, was. It wasn't her direct prerogative to see through the divinity issue (or else it was entirely so! hmmm.) Well, at any rate, as I said once or twice before, I bet there was a moment when Prem *tried* to walk on water, and was genuinely puzzled that this 'Jesus' could not do (did not have the Super Power!) what the earlier Jesus could do. I bet when he fell through the surface of the water, it dawned on him he was a fraud. The so-called Fraud Mirage .. Gee. [disappointment] I was hoping M. Dettmers would have better insight on this aspect, or someone similarly privileged would. I don't think we're ever going to get the straight story, unless Prem checks into an insane asylum and writes an honest memoir. After nursing him through a certain number of ulcers, she could have realized the truth about her husband. But maybe she was kept, in a way that she didn't really have a normal wifely contact with her husband, or any semblance of it. Royal courts [excuse me] can be funny that way, I'd guess. A lot of distance between 'family' members that defies common-sense logic, because they're anything but .. common! The default (for me) is to see her as someone listed in The Problem: 'We either become Gurus, or marry one, or both -- or find another compulsive personality -- such as a cult leader -- to feed our sick abandonment needs.' I don't think that means what she did isn't actionable. I think it important to remember that one of the things a Premie told him or herself was 'If there were something drastically wrong, Durga Ji would tell us and get her kids away from it, at any cost' and so we measured the sanity of staying in the cult against her personal sanity state, for having done so. Just as the hopeful child of an alcoholic parent does, we as premies hope our 'mother' will 'protect' us from the 'alcoholic' here. But she never does. Hell, she almost never gets out of the bad marriage. She accepts her role silently, and probably thinks she deserves what she got, based on events that happened before she met the man she was to marry. Marolyn, of all people, should have known better, and should have warned people! What were the odds of her doing so? Just my cracked-pot analysis. Please .. no wagering. For Entertainment Value Only.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:45:50 (EDT) From: btdt Email: None To: a0aji Subject: Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji Message:

I'm continually amazed at the level of intelligence on this forum. There are many bright people, such as yourself. I guess being in Marolyn's shoes was not the enviable thing that it appeared all these years. I always remember feeling so inadequate as a new parent compared to her. A premie told me that of course, with all that grace, it would make anyone a better parent. The standard was so high.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:43:38 (EDT) From: A premie told me with all that grace Email: None To: btdt Subject: it would make anyone a better parent Message:

I do not know about Grace, but the Rawat's certainly had the money to pour into those kids, much of it from premies who were parents themselves, their own children with less to pay for Wadi's horseback lessons and Daya's voice lessons.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:48:39 (EDT) From: salam Email: None To: btdt Subject: Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji Message:

make your own decision: ........ last fall, I think. Rawat was out of town, during Hans Jayanti in India, it seems. Since he was out of town, Marolyn, and some friends all went to paint the town red. It seems they had a high time! But, the odd thing was the implication that they could only go have fun like that, going out, if Rawat didn't know. Or at least wasn't there to make trouble about it..... Statement made by a a close associate of you know who.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:22:55 (EDT) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: salam Subject: Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji - fear Message:

aOaji's spchiel was good too. But I think you may be onto something. Many of us feared being Judas Iscariot and rotting like a van of veggies. I definitely give Marolyn the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure she has thought that she had seen through him but then backed off because one ''must not doubt the purity of the Master.'' Fear of damnation made her quell her doubts.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:41:33 (EDT) From: btdt Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji - fear Message:

Thanks. I appreciate your patience in answering my questions. So many things sort oozing out after thirty years of living with M and k. I just didn't understand what constitutes a person falling in the public figure domain. I guess what princess Diana said could apply here as well about feeling like being the world's highest paid prostitute. Or does Marolyn know something the rest of us don't.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 00:06:53 (EDT) From: Rich Email: None To: All Subject: The ONLY Focus....Maha/Rawat and HIS Behaviors Message:

Hi Everyone..I am relatively new to this forum...having just wandered upon EPO about a month ago...I have been a premie and a financial supporter of Maha/Rawats Mission for 28years...and I have been appalled ..by the Corrobrated ...Credible and Consistent Reports by ex-premies who have been around M. The Realization of what M is REALLY like as apposed to his Stage Performance/Proclamations...has Stunned Saddened and Disillusioned Me.. Having said that...I am also saddened by the verbal abuse and venom that many on this forum have thrown at each other and even M... I am very Pleased to read Pat's apology (seemingly heartfelt) to Mr. Glasser..and his recognition of Mr. Glasser's Humanity..even if we disagree about Maha/Rawat and His affairs.. The Revelations about Maha/Rawat on EPO and this Forum have been Incredibly Valuable and Important to Me..and Im sure many other (now) Ex-premies...Yet their Impact and credibility is lessened when we sink to the level of personal attacks and vitriol. Although the Recent Attacks by CAC are disgusting, to my perception, they mirror in spirit, some of the attacks and comments made all too frequently here. I understand the therapeutic effect of being able to vent one's anger about the betrayal and lies that have been perpetrated on many of us by Maha/Rawat. I have/do express that also. I appreciate that expressed here within reason...But when it becomes unreasonable..and when it spreads to people who still follow Maha/Rawat, then not only does it cloud matters more....but it detracts from what I believe to be the Power and Purpose we have here. Id like to suggest the highest use of the Website and Forums exposing Maha/Rawat might be the following: 1..To Find Out, Share and Propagate (love that word) the TRUTH about Maha/Rawat and Knowledge. 2. To heal ourselves from the effects of following Maha/Rawat and the beliefs he gave us. 3. To free Current PWK from the Bonds of Conceptual Slavery that Maha/Rawat still Perpetuates. 3. To Alert potential new premies to the Realities of Maha/Rawat and Knowledge. 3 By making the Revelations about Maha/Rawat REAL behaviors public: To Force Maharaji to either deal with these revelations publicly, or retire to a relatively impotent position, Not harming or drawing financial support from people who become deluded by his claims. It is becoming increasing clear that We have been victims of a Cult leader. We Have been betrayed. Many of us gave up careers, families and potential families, money, time and sweat to the Support of Mr. Rawat, his lifestyle and HIS Goals...Now we find out weve been had .Anger is an Understandable reaction. But to get Stuck in Anger is to maintain a position of Victimhood. When we attack each other we divert attention from the REAL focus which is Maha/Rawats Deceits. When we attack those who do not yet 'see the Light' about Maha/Rawat, we simply polarize them in their position and make it easier for them to discount us, ignor, rationalize and deny the Truth about Maha/Rawat. We Have the TRUTH on our side (how ironic). The more we are thoughtful, considerate, and Real, The more Powerful we are and the More Powerful is our Message: THat Maharaji is an Alcholic, Abusive, Womanizer. He is a Man who clearly Claimed to be the Superior Power in Person..and now denies it. He is a flawed human who uses a system of silence and denial amongst those who 'follow' him to keep himself in a position of power, authority and wealth....at the expensive of many sincere people who were/are still being misled by him. We have truth on our side. And The More Civil, Real and Human we are the more we serve as Credible Contrast to the Man whose actions have betrayed us and others...Thanks for Listening....Sincerely, RichMandrake Having Said that

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:31:53 (EDT) From: Richard Email: None To: Rich Subject: Damn, Rich... Message:

... how did you get so smart so fast. Only a month or so out, huh? It's taken me a couple of years to come as far. Congratulations are in order. Your post is succinct and well intended. I wholeheartedly agree re: staying with a purpose. I have very carefully avoided engaging drive-by premies and even the ones who showed up on our doorstep and never left. We are all human beings who were once true believers. Therefore I have compassion for all of us whether ex, pwk or fencesitter while at the same time carefully avoiding pointless sandbox squabbles. As others have said, we are all individuals and it does take a village to raze a cult. Welcome and thanks for raising the bar.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:08:20 (EDT) From: Joe Email: None To: Rich Subject: Re: The ONLY Focus....Maha/Rawat and HIS Behaviors Message:

I agree with you too, Rich, but a lot of the negative stuff expressed on this forum is expressed by premies. True, ex-premies will often bicker with them, but as an open forum, there isn't really any way to control what gets said, who tries to disrupt and all the rest. The website is full of valuable information and it's being added to all the time. The forum is more like a moving cocktail party. It just depends on who's in the room as to what the vibe is. But the forum has been incredibly valuable to people and it has been the means of compiling so much of the information that is on the EPO website. Yes, we were in a cult, and now we're out of it. Admitting you were in a cult isn't easy. It's much easier to just kind of pretend it wasn't that, even if you really aren't into Maharaji anymore. There are lots of people in that space. But you have to admit it to yourself before you can really break free. But there is no way around the increasingly evident fact that many people still in the cult will do just about anything to hold on to their childish beliefs. It's not rational, that's for sure.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 00:21:02 (EDT) From: Jim Sander Email: None To: Rich Subject: Rich, I agree 100% with you.. Message:

Hey Rich- I couldn't agree more with you. I also have had a similar journey as you, with many revelations coming in the last year or so. Thanks for the posts. JS

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 00:40:26 (EDT) From: RichMandrake Email: None To: Jim Sander Subject: Thanks Jim... Message:

Thank You, Jim.. The Posts I've Read by you have been extremely helpful...I contacted you through my AOL address a few weeks ago and will contact you again soon....Thanks Again...RichMandrake

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 00:49:43 (EDT) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: RichMandrake Subject: Nicely spoken, Rich Message:

I'm one of those who mouthed off a bit too much when I first came here nearly 8 months ago after 28 years of thinking Rev Rawat was a good man. When I found out that he is actually a cynical and amoral person I became very angry and lashed out. Well, you see that I got that thrown back in my face by CAC. It has taught me to be much more circumspect than heretofore. But don't be disappointed if everyone does not agree with you. We've had this discussion before and we really are a very ''unsynchronized'' bunch of folk for which I am grateful. Thanks for you thoughtful message.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:21:15 (EDT) From: Jim Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: Jesus Christ, Pat! Message:

You really do have this unbridled love for the confessional, don't you? Too bad. Sometimes, Pat, the imbalance can come in the form of giving away too much by way of apology. Let's be accurate, shall we? The premies are very, very often outrageously disingenuous, etc. in their exchanges with us. Any who engage them naturally and justifiably get pretty damn 'expressive' at times. The only way that people like Rich or Jim Sanders can avoid same is by avoiding tlaking with the premies altogether. Okay, I admit, we're certainly not all alike, we don't all have the same temperments, tolerance levels, breaking points, whatever. I'm definitely no Joe Whalen and Joe Whalen's definitely no Way and Way, even Way, is definitely no Katie. But I don't think that I could ever say that my, Joe's or Way's default level of patience is right. Takes all kinds. Yes, I've seen you overreact. Only a couple of times, though, and they were both with respect to me. :) Honestly. So it does seem a bit much to see you just jumping into the warm bath of general self-criticism when you've rally nothing to criticize. Charles Glasser tanuted us visciously, immorally and with a vengeance. He violated the rules of the forum by spamming us and by posting under a number of names to confuse and undermine the forum itself. That's why it was so weird to see Katie and Brian cave in to him so undeservedly. Pat, you are indeed a principled, wonderful human being. My opinion, anyway. You don't like conflict unresolved, rather you enjoy the spirit of resolution. Believe it or not, so do I. But, in the words of Mahatma Rajewshar (paraphrased), no resolution without solution and no solution without the eradication of pollution.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:14:09 (EDT) From: Joe Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: Patrick? Message:

What is this self-flagelation I see? Pat, you have every right to be angry. You were ripped off on a very, very deep level. You should be angry; it's real and it's how you heal. You are the victim, Pat. You don't deserve what those spineless cowards on CAC did, and you didn't cause it. And, moreover, ever since this forum started 4 years ago, there has been a continuous stream of new ex-premies -- people who were just getting out of the Maharaji cult. And almost every one of them went through a stage of expressing anger. That's part of the function of this forum and I think we should in no way discourage that.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:23:07 (EDT) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Joe Subject: Re: I don't discourage it, Joe Message:

That's why I said to Rich not to expect everyone to agree. But I've been through my loudmouth phase and am now reborn as the cool, cutting, concise hater of snakes and gurus. Actually, I may even change my mind one morning when I wake up singing arti and thinking what the fuck, that bastard filled my head with crap.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 03:09:50 (EDT) From: salam Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: hey Patsee Message:

am a bit confused here. Are there to PatCs on the forum. I ask because am trying to figure out who PatC) is. Or is that you playing niggy bugger [don't ask what's that] and a boofhead trying to get your ugly :c)face up. With your ugly face, you should be PatC :c)[ugly face] not Pat :C)[ugly face]. do you get my meaning. An Alah knows better.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 02:10:43 (EDT) From: salam Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: bull })}) Message:

I don't belive you. For how long? if ya waant 2 say something, say it. Like that CACAS SUCK, OK!

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:39:40 (EDT) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: salam Subject: Cow! b) Message:

Stop distracting me Salam. I'm supposed to be serious now. ;)

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 02:16:33 (EDT) From: a0aji Email: None To: salam Subject: As Gilmore said so well: Message:

The Internet interprets censorship as damage, and routes around it.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:52:47 (EDT) From: Roger eDrek Email: None To: All Subject: armed and extremely dangerous Message:

Leason should be considered possibly armed, and extremely dangerous. If you or your organization are harassed by Jeff Leason, please immediately file a 911 Cyberangels and report the incident to the police. In case of a death threat, contact the FBI. Fuck yeah! Thank you, thank you, thank you. It has been a dream of mine since I was five years old to read those exact words about myself in the Post Office, but to see them coming off of a rogue ISP in Moscow, Russia is beyond a boyish dream come true and I'm covered head to toe with goosebumps and shaking uncontrollably with glee. Nor can I stop this maniac laughing or my hiccups. And I'm chewing my tongue into bloody shreds. My only hope now is for some Russian mafia dudes to hunt me down and whack me with a good old 22 caliber silenced with a pop can double thump to my big pumpkin. Yeah, then my life will be complete without regret or remorse. Who could ever ask for more? Well, I could, I guess, but no longer because I have seen the light. Maharaji, I love you. I've been so very wrong about you. You are my Lord and Saviour. You are my all. You are my fucking all, as a matter of fact. Yes, I've been extremely deluded and fooled by all of these angry hateful ex-premies. From now on I'm going to re-dedicate myself and my efforts will be to glorify the Living Perfect Master of our time. The House of Maharaji Drek will become the House of Maharaji where gratitude and love will be the only words written there. Ok, you foulmouthed hatemongers, I'm out of this hate site and headed for a new life, a new way. God almighty, am I ever happy, happy, happy! And you could feel this happiness and joy again if you would just open your hearts. Go ahead! Open your hearts to Maharaji and he will set you free - set you free from your pain and anger. So-hung, so-hung. Can ya feel it? I sure do. And I'm grateful, oh so grateful. Maharaji, may I be your Rumi? I will wait and wait and wait. I will write and write and write your glory. And I have time now for you now, my Lord. Yes, I have all the time in the world now.All the time in the world to love and worship you, Maharaji. You see, this afternoon they fired me from my job and I'm free of these petty worldly concerns. No more putting of me ahead of you, my Lord. No more worrying about my career. No more worrying about retirement. No more worries about health, wealth, and family. Nope, that's all gone now. Oh, that magic feeling, no where to go. No more me to worry about. At work they came to my cube and they said that I might be dangerous and a security risk. I don't know where they got that idea. You see, I'm really quite docile, especially after I've had some ECT (electro convulsive therapy) and a dose of Chlorpromazine. I wouldn't hurt anyone. At least I don't think I would. With what little money I have I have bought a plane ticket so that I can be close to you. All I ask of you Maharaji is when you drive past in your Benz and see me in the Trancas Market parking lot in full pranam is to just honk and maybe wave. Just let me know that you know. Yes, Lord, I know that I am just a dirty old oil spot with some seagull feathers stuck to it and I am not worthy of your notice, but I have nothing and I want nothing in this world. There is nothing in this world for me. In my knowledge session I was asked to give you, Maharaji, my mind. I gave it to you then and now I give it to you again. Please Maharaji, take my crazy mind. Ah, my brothers and sisters! I feel so much better now. Can't you feel it? Can you feel the love? You know the drill. It's so easy. And it's still there. All you have to do is give satsang like I have here and the two rivers will once again flow and Maharaji will come across the Universe and make you whole like I am now. Yes, I've returned home, back to the Master. Epilogue: The above was PURE Fiction, not to be confused with any persons living or dead or deranged or in some other state of meditative or medicated repose. Ain't nobody crazy here, no sir-eee! I'm just doing mighty fine. This Knowledge and all of them nice people never did nothing crazy to me or nobody else. No, no, no. Pain and confusion comes from the mind. Them Mahatmas and everybody else always treated me mighty fine. Everything is happy and safe in Maharaji's world. Nope, no crazy bongos on Maharaji's ship. Me, I'm ok. I'm just keeping to myself all nice and quiet up here in the attic. I'll be a good boy. I won't be bad no more. I learnt me my lesson.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:02:42 (EDT) From: silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: Re: armed and extremely dangerous Message:

Did you really got fired?

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 05:30:30 (EDT) From: SC Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: That is totally brilliant writing... Message:

I'm serious Roger (and write comedy sketches for a TV production house, amongst other stuff). That is a magic script! Regardless of what the 'message' of your post is. I was in total fits, even the epilogue is bloody funny, right to the end. In the face of the heat put on you I think it's also very courageous writing. And it's the best reminder to anyone on these forums that, above all, this life is meant to be FUN! Thanks Roger, that was a genuine pleasure, I only wish you meant some of it! stay well, SC

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:34:22 (EDT) From: Roger AK eDrek Email: None To: SC Subject: Thanks, check out the Chronicles of the Red Nighty Message:

Thank you so much. I enjoyed writing that. Eventually I will have to add more to the Chronicles of the Red Nighty (aka CORN) where I might have written one chapter and the rest was written by some really talented writers. Yes, I'm having so much more fun now that I've finally stopped beating my head against Maharaji's wall trying to make myself small and humble enough for what purposes I don't really know. Seemed that is what he wanted from us.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:44:13 (EDT) From: salam Email: None To: SC Subject: Oh hello SC Message:

Howisitgoin? Glad u like what Rog is saying. Real fun this place is can be. dont' you recon [why am talking like Yoda?] Cheers, Salam

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:33:00 (EDT) From: SC Email: None To: salam Subject: Hi Salam Message:

Yea, you like fun as well. Good onya mate!!!! (love your bull heads)

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:10:58 (EDT) From: Zelda Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: Re: armed and extremely dangerous Message:

oh maynard, its allright. jees , you didnt really lose your job did you?? what a ridiculous 5th grade thing to write about you. Sounds like they got it from some crime mag. I'll make you a rubarb flan!

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:37:33 (EDT) From: Marianne Email: None To: All Subject: Hey Salam! Message:

Read your email! Marianne

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:56:12 (EDT) From: [Blank] Email: salam_au@iprimus.com.au To: Marianne Subject: Re: Hey Salam! Message:

I did, I've been doing that for the last 72 hours, it's all looking hazzy blue now. I can not see you but, try again. sheesh, I hope am not being spoofed.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:18:31 (EDT) From: Stonor Email: None To: [Blank] Subject: LOL!!! Message:

Salam, 'read' and 'read' are the same spelling, but different pronunciation in present/imperative and past, and I think that's funny, because Marianne said she read your email, and you thought that she was telling you to read yours. :) Okay, back to peach jam ... the big one. And hi gErRy eNd aRniE!

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:05:07 (EDT) From: silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER Email: None To: Stonor Subject: Re: LOL!!! Message:

send a jar: Is my favorite! LOL I envy you, non-nothing, free person.... ;)

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:24:43 (EDT) From: saucy Email: None To: Stonor Subject: Re: LOL!!! Message:

hey look who is here, where have you been? I was getting worried them peaches attacked you. As for the English, you are in a tight corner here, you watch out now, you now how I hate English :) Love you, don't forget to come to thge other forum, it's free sausaged today. MarieAnne: got you at last. Will do.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:24:21 (EDT) From: Carl Email: None To: All Subject: I just had this vision for a satire site; Message:

'Citizens Against CyberTalking'. Apparently that's what they're after: Stop talking! The satire site could feature famous 'loudmouths' who had the unforgivable audacity to question or speak out against a twisted status quo -- I dunno, maybe Nelson Mandela, George Carlin, Karen Silkwood, Spartacus, Jesus, M.L. King, Patrick Henry, that guy - whatshisname - whistle-blower against the tobacco industry. There are, and have been, a lot of courageous and/or clear thinking people. Afraid I don't have web design skills. Anyway, just a thought experiment! In the immortal words of Ben Stern, 'Shut up! Sit down!' (sorry, reference to US radio comedian's (father's) routine.) Best, Carl

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:29:37 (EDT) From: such Email: None To: Carl Subject: we got a sat-ire site [nt] Message:

[nt]

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:41:12 (EDT) From: Carl Email: None To: such Subject: Righto! Feelin' IRE-ish, aren't we? Satfully [nt] Message:

YOWza!

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 21:40:31 (EDT) From: premlita Email: None To: All Subject: What is going on? Message:

Hi, I'm new to this forum. I just heard last night that the former premies are being blackmailed, what is going on? Is this some kind of joke? It doesn't look like it to me.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:58:34 (EDT) From: afraid of M darkness Email: None To: premlita Subject: Re: What is going on? Message:

yes P, is true. The LORD is getting ugly with us. Rememeber when he used to scared us about the anger of 'GOD'? This 'GOD' is mean and determined to do his job, no matter what. He is a Sagitarious. a very determined individual and ready to battle. No, I don't buy the Bible as some premies do, as one of my premie friends do. Lordy is wrong and evil, not good. Surrender or else is no freedom or loving. I hate rotten vegetables; he can eat them himself now. He created them. Sorry for dissapointing you saying your LORD is fake.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:38:53 (EDT) From: Cedron Email: None To: premlita Subject: Re: What is going on?? Message:

It is no joke The soldier said There's bodies strewn Upon the field. The crime that's black Has claimed it's prize, Against such deeds One cannot shield.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:40:59 (EDT) From: salam Email: None To: Cedron Subject: Re: What is going on? Message:

who are you? I know fuck all about poetry, but this is good. did you write it?

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:33:03 (EDT) From: Cedron Email: None To: salam Subject: Yes Message:

My name means 'Dark One' From the brook that passes Through the holy places. Your land of birth Where you were raised Is near, within a thousand paces.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:57:51 (EDT) From: salam Email: None To: Cedron Subject: what language is that Message:

you are a bit mysterious, aren't you?

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:46:38 (EDT) From: Cedron Email: None To: salam Subject: Re: what language is that Message:

I wend my way through holy places And there no door against me shuts. Past wilderness and Mount of Olives To reach the Valley of the Nuts. [ Brook of Cedron ]

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:30:53 (EDT) From: Zelda Email: None To: premlita Subject: Re: What is going on? Message:

above doesnt like your handle but that reads harsh to me. Whether you are Premlata with a typo-or not- read a ye shall find.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 21:53:02 (EDT) From: a0aji Email: None To: premlita Subject: Re: What is going on? Message:

There's a web site that is publishing nonsense about several of the participants of this forum, under the guise of somebody named Boris, in Russia. They've also published their targets' various personal demographics, contact information, employment information, and other personal mentions. You may comb this forum for the libelous website under the term, CAC, or 'caca' which is, of course, a play on words. I don't like your handle.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 12:41:33 (EDT) From: Would you prefer Prem-Latte Email: None To: a0aji Subject: I think it means Message:

'I Love Latte' in Sanskrit. Which is also an Indian sitcom, Raji: 'Latte, I'm AUM'.... Latte: 'RaJi, I just want to be in your show, WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA'

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:20:07 (EDT) From: Salam Email: None To: a0aji Subject: Re: What is going on? Message:

Agree, handle sucks. No need to get real people's name involved. As for the rest, it's really a long story. A thriller. An on going affair and no one has the time to explain, but if insist, this is the short version, Eln Vtal a a secret organization that is run by an obscure cult headed by someone calling himself Maharachi, is having an all out assult on innocent people that like to express their opinion after being suppressed for many years. As you know, cultish organization do not like to be talked back to, so the above mentioned cultish organization is trying to shut down anyweb site on the web that is critcal of them. Through questionable means a some members of this cultish organization have formed a group calling themselves CAC. They have used slander, defamation, threats and blackmail again the innocent talkative people. they have already shut down two website, threatened another and forced a fourth to remove certain information regarding someone called Jagdeo, which was a holly man with loose pants and working for Maharachi. The cultish organization mentioned above denies any knowledge of what is going on. Of course no one belives that, not even the people that said it. So this is where we are. I hope that brought you up to date on things, for further details, I don't know what to say, it's rather complicated. But you may ant to check here from time to time it IS so is here to stay p.s. typos are on the house

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:29:37 (EDT) From: })})})})}) Email: None To: Salam Subject: Look everyone, a caca is here Message:

[nt]

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:31:04 (EDT) From: a0aji Email: None To: })})})})}) Subject: {{{{{{ moo [nt] Message:

[nt]

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:19:07 (EDT) From: Look who's talking handles! Email: None To: a0aji Subject: you ouiji tosser Message:

fuckin unbelievable hypocrite

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 03:08:57 (EDT) From: Steve Email: None To: Look who's talking handles! Subject: Hi Wango Message:

You really still overdo this trolling and multiple alias thing don't you. Is this jihad of your's affecting your practice sessions ? Or maybe you are hearing Maha's dulcit tones in your head , telling you to go destroy the 'hate club' twisted , sick , drug addict ex premie slime balls ? Life's Great !

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 03:21:31 (EDT) From: a0aji Email: None To: Steve Subject: Life's Grate: where the runoff goes.. Message:

Life's Grate: where the runoff goes into the sewer You really still overdo this trolling and multiple alias thing don't you. Is this jihad of your's affecting your practice sessions ? Or maybe you are hearing Maha's dulcit tones in your head , telling you to go destroy the 'hate club' twisted , sick , drug addict ex premie slime balls ? Life's Great ! --- Well I had one of those troll dolls when i was a kid. A little rubber guy with bug-eyes and very long hair. They had a name for them; they predated Beanie Babies by perhaps 20 years! I had some Rat Fink paraphernalia as well. By luck, I went to Daytona Beach, FL and found a shop that specialized in Rat Fink apparel! I think they must've invented it; I should have asked while I was there.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:30:28 (EDT) From: })})})})})})})})})}) Email: None To: Look who's talking handles! Subject: })})})})})})})})})})})})})})})) Message:

[nt]

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:28:07 (EDT) From: [Blank] Email: None To: Look who's talking handles! Subject: Re: you ouiji tosser Message:

hey I love you guys. I know as much as you do that you cacas are reading every fucking post. And you know something, you are shitting your big pants and will be, every minute and every day cause your little plot is backfiring. So stick it up your rear muffler.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:38:08 (EDT) From: a0aji Email: None To: [Blank] Subject: to sir with love Message:

hey I love you guys. I know as much as you do that you cacas are reading every fucking post. And you know something, you are shitting your big pants and will be, every minute and every day cause your little plot is backfiring. So stick it up your rear muffler. --- See really, I think it is one psychotic personality. Figure it out. Posts a troll as Premlita (doesn't make sense; given the 'position' that Premlita took on things, to name 'herself' that). *Then* gets angry when I call her on her bad: a shit handle. But gets angry as himself (he sounds like a 14 year old; adults don't call each other 'tosser' afaik). A real cracked pot, that one.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:36:52 (EDT) From: :( :( :( :( :( :( Email: None To: [Blank] Subject: :( :) :) :( :');( :9 :9 : :( :( :( Message:

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:39:03 (EDT) From: a0aji Email: None To: :( :( :( :( :( :( Subject: must be using the MOOzilla browser [nt] Message:

[nt]

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 21:37:53 (EDT) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: All Subject: My apologies to Charles Glasser Message:

Today Mr Glasser emailed me : Dear Mr. Conlon: We do not know each other, but I have become aware of a 'cyberstalker' web site which apparently is very vindictive and nasty, to say the least. I know that I have been accused of being the 'mastermind' behind that. It simply isn't true. Much more to the point, as you know, I have my own web page, www.thetruthaboutmaharaji.com. My point in writing is this: I wish to add an update to my page criticizing the cyberstalker page. I am concerned though, that doing so would in fact draw MORE people to it. Because you are mentioned on that page, I only wondered if you preferred that I do not, or if you thought that it might make things worse. Please, this is not an invitation to be attacked or harrassed, as you may know, which I have been. I think I have the opportunity to do the right thing, and that's all this is about. I won't get to update my page until the weekend, so there is no rush: Thank you: Charles Glasser: I did not keep a draft of my answer but basically I said that I had no control over what was said about me on the net and that he could do as he pleased. Unfortunately I concentrated on his question about whether to include a link to CAC or not and missed the main thrust of Mr Glasser's email which is that he is being unfairly accused of being behind CAC. He replied: Thanks for your response. I will most likely (time permitting) be giving my page a serious re-do this weekend. Enough of this craziness. I'm glad you don't mind appearing on despicable websites, but I cannot tolerate being called at work, having my secretary (a sweet old lady) taunted about my 'cult membership' and so forth.: It would be nice if you were to retract the statements you have made saying that I am the jerk responsible for that excreble website. But that's between you and your conscience. Best of luck to you.: c.g. I replied: Dear Charles, Of course I mind being on that awful site. It's just that I have no control over it do I. The problem is once you put something on the web you have to take the consequences which I am doing. As for your problems with being annoyed at work - I have never condoned that. I'm sure you feel as unjustly harassed as I do in my place of business. Okay I was speculating that you were behind CAC but if you say you were not I must believe you. I will publish on the forum your two emails to me with your request and this apology for my groundless speculation. I have admitted my errors of judgement and have learned from them and I hope everyone else does too and that we stop attacking each other deceitfully but begin engaging in a rational dialogue instead. Sincerely, Patrick Mr Glasser's emails were polite and reasonable and I believe him and do apologize for accusing him without knowing the facts. Also I should add a request that anyone who is contacting his work place to please stop. As someone who has also suffered harassment at my place of work since it was published by CAC, I completely sympathise and must insist that I this is not a decent way to argue with those with whom we disagree. I have learned a lot from this and intend to keep my hands very clean from now on and only engage in rational and adult criticism and definitely NOT attack premies. Premies are not our enemies. Premies have not enriched themselves from donations or pretended to us that they are the Superior Power in Person. They are just as trapped as we once were. It is time for compassion for premies not hate.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 03:45:56 (EDT) From: Peg Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: Re: My apologies to Charles Glasser Message:

It is so good to hear that you can review what you said and apologise. That after all is what we are asking M to do. Also there is nothing more powerful than not rising to the bait but sticking to your own task when provoked.... then people are left to consider their actions.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:42:26 (EDT) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Peg Subject: That's deep, Peg. Thanks Message:

It is so good to hear that you can review what you said and apologise. That after all is what we are asking M to do. Also there is nothing more powerful than not rising to the bait but sticking to your own task when provoked.... then people are left to consider their actions. --- Thus spoke Peg wisely.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:23:34 (EDT) From: Joe Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: Careful, Patrick.... Message:

Patrick, Is it Mr. Glasser's viewpoint that it's really okay to call us all a bunch of drug-taking, mentally ill, haters, as long as he doesn't include our NAMES? What is different about what Glasser did, and CAC did, except for that? I will give Glasser credit for one thing, he at least admits he's a premie and it's all about protecting Maharaji. CAC pretends to be something else. But I hope Mr. Glasser does include a section of his website to condem CAC. Of course, if he does it in the way EV did it, if it's just another excuse to blame ex-premies for all that has happened, we might be better off without it. I took Glasser at his word when he said he wasn't involved in CAC because I saw no reason not to, and also because it's so obviously defamation and invasion of privacy that I didn't think a lawyer would risk his license to do something like that. But just stepping back and looking at all this politically, I really think the more websites there are, pro and con, the better. The more publicity that gets out that there is a big controversy surrounding Maharaji, the less likely anyone would want to get involved with him, and that's all to the good.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:28:20 (EDT) From: Richard Email: None To: Joe Subject: Right Joe Message:

I really think the more websites there are, pro and con, the better. As the not so well known saying goes 'Tell the truth faster and have more fun per hour.'

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:21:33 (EDT) From: Abi Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: Re: My apologies to Charles Glasser Message:

Dear Pat, I really respect what you've said here. I agree that compassion should replace hate. Hate and abuse just circulate bad energy and cloud things. Too toxic. I really like the way Dettmers is always rational, always measured in his writing and never stoops to being abusive. Hope the harassement stops soon. take care Abi

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:26:06 (EDT) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Abi Subject: Thanks Abi I really appreciate that Message:

coming from you whom I admire greatly for you sense of humor, brains and guts.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 21:55:08 (EDT) From: Jim Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: Full points for 'flexibility', Pat Message:

Mr Glasser's emails were polite and reasonable and I believe him and do apologize for accusing him without knowing the facts. Yes, Pat, I believe him too. I also believe Catweasel when he says he's not behind CAC or that he's SC or Victoria Clemens. And I believe SC when he says he doesn't know nothing about it either. I believe them all. I believe Bazza when he said he's not Rob. Why not? It is Christmas, isn't it? Sorry, Pat, I'm being a little faceitous. It's just that I have to laugh when you simply take Glasser at his word. Don't you recall how many times he's already lied here, about identities and such? Don't forget, someone put up CAC.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:07:24 (EDT) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Jim Subject: It's always Christmas, Jim Message:

when Lifes Great. Maybe I'm just too trusting that's why I believed that Jesus had come again. b)

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 21:48:12 (EDT) From: a0aji Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: Re: My apologies to Charles Glasser Message:

I like it.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 21:44:26 (EDT) From: Disculta Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: Re: My apologies to Charles Glasser Message:

Thanks for this, Pat. You are really high integrity in your getoffitability, and you are modelling something mahvellus! love kd

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 21:48:06 (EDT) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Disculta Subject: Tooo funny - was thinking about you Message:

I hope you are well and happy. Lots of love, Pat.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 02:46:38 (EDT) From: Salam Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: Charles and Trust Message:

Isn't hard to do that Charles. Remember no ex ever attached you personally. you probably thought that you were doing the right thing. You were voicing your opinion. But the way it came, well I don't have to tell you. I don't think it will matter what you put on your site, you lost credibility. Like I've always say this: in everyday live you could be a likeable fellow, who know. You know what surprises me, you've been on the net for so long and then you go an put your foot in a bucket. Do you realize how many people know who you are, where you work, what you phone number and e-mail. You are trackable on the net and we can build a profile on you. But again, has anyone placed your info on the net. I have a copy of the information that was posted about you on F5 and you know something, I have to force my self not to be tempted to use it. I have five webpages critical of your site that I have been planing to post [ not I did say your site and not you] . There is a line in everyones life that should not be crossed. Really I wish you luck in your life. but again I have to say, I don't trust you, what a fucking sad state of affair for us humans to be in. May Alah guide you on the straight and narrow.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:46:19 (EDT) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Salam Subject: FA please ban Salam Message:

I am having to read all his posts because they are so deep and don't have the time.

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