Forum V: Archive
Compiled: Tues, Jan 30, 2001 at 13:25:46 (GMT)
From: Jan 24, 2001 To: Jan 29, 2001 Page: 2 Of: 5


Aussi Ji -:- Cancel my farewell,I can't do it -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 09:08:51 (GMT)
__ Katie -:- Hi Aussie Ji -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 19:24:47 (GMT)
__ __ Aussi Ji -:- Thanks Katie.I,m gunna stick around like shit to a -:- Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 04:25:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ Katie -:- Never heard THAT one before :) -:- Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 04:33:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ salam -:- aussies are unpredictable -:- Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 05:40:07 (GMT)
__ Patrick Conlon -:- My twin separated at birth -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 18:55:58 (GMT)
__ __ Aussi Ji -:- My twin separated at birth -:- Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 04:17:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ Patrick C -:- My twin - yep Frank and Thelma -:- Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 05:54:03 (GMT)
__ Robyn -:- Cancel my farewell,I can't do it -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 12:58:26 (GMT)
__ __ Aussi Ji -:- likewise robyn -:- Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 04:19:41 (GMT)
__ janet -:- yea! the aussies are still with us!! woo hoo -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 10:18:30 (GMT)
__ __ Aussi Ji -:- I could'nt leave for quids. -:- Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 04:22:15 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Welcome back Aussi Ji (nt) -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 09:44:35 (GMT)
__ __ Deputy Dog -:- Hey Anth why didn't you answer . . . -:- Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 03:00:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Sorry Dog, I was delayed in the post. -:- Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 10:28:28 (GMT)

SB -:- ELK's poet!!!! Don't miss it -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:26:58 (GMT)
__ Gregg -:- I actually like the last few lines... -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 15:56:06 (GMT)
__ Brian Smith -:- ELK's poet!!!! whoever wrote this -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 07:48:12 (GMT)
__ __ SB -:- ELK's poet!!!! whoever wrote this -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 14:14:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ Kelly -:- ELK's poet!!!! Not a patch on this -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 18:53:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ SB -:- It must be his -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 19:49:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Kelly -:- Yes really. This is the work of a 'master'!!! -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 22:06:41 (GMT)
__ Fact of laugh -:- I pressed submit too quick: Gravity is fake? -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:35:21 (GMT)
__ __ salam -:- I pressed submit too quick: Gravity is fake? -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:40:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ Fact -:- I pressed submit too quick: Gravity is fake? -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 14:13:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ salam -:- Oh, I thought you were talking about -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 15:02:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Fact -:- can't stop laughing (nt) -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 19:50:27 (GMT)

Sir Dave -:- It has to be said -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 02:31:01 (GMT)
__ Katie -:- It also has to be said -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 17:42:31 (GMT)
__ Daneane -:- I agree, Original Brian doesn't completely suck(nt -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:25:17 (GMT)
__ __ Katie -:- LOL, Daneane, thanks for the 'tribute' (snicker) -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 17:34:53 (GMT)
__ Bill -:- I second that Sir David.-nt -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 03:40:15 (GMT)
__ __ Roger eDrek -:- You are correct, Sir Dave -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 03:47:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ Katie -:- You are correct, Sir Dave -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 19:42:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ Gordon Showcase -:- Just off the boat from Taiwan -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 04:05:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ TED Farkel -:- Gordon,I'll take a few if Drek don't want em...nt -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 17:27:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Guys, this was supposed to be serious thread (nt) -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 18:46:58 (GMT)

salam -:- Where the hell is Amaroo? -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 01:40:52 (GMT)
__ Aussi Ji -:- In the middle of fucking nowhere. -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 09:15:21 (GMT)
__ __ salam -:- Oh hi, glad it didn't take long to be back -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 13:07:32 (GMT)
__ sb -:- RAWAT ALWAYS SUCKS -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 05:54:28 (GMT)
__ __ salam -:- RAWAT ALWAYS SUCKS -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:38:07 (GMT)
__ janet -:- thanks. its not on the satellite mapping.. -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 04:24:30 (GMT)
__ __ salam -:- can we rent a satellite -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:35:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ janet -:- hire a plane to fly over and photgraph.. -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:42:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ salam -:- hire a plane to fly over and photgraph. Exactly -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:50:15 (GMT)
__ Sir Dave -:- Where the hell is your web site? -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 02:39:02 (GMT)
__ __ salam -:- EV brought it down, What? -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 02:48:27 (GMT)
__ baz -:- Amaroo is wherever you want it to be -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 01:46:24 (GMT)
__ __ AJW -:- I want it to be... -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 10:35:46 (GMT)
__ __ Forum Admin -:- Please note baz is not bazza -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 05:59:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ Patrick Conlon -:- Thanks FA- was hoping you would clear that up. NT -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:27:21 (GMT)

Wish -:- Calling Blonde Premies that were sexually abused -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 01:09:10 (GMT)
__ salam -:- Wishfull thinking -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 02:30:26 (GMT)
__ Sandy -:- Calling Blonde Premies WHO were sexually abused -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 02:17:43 (GMT)
__ debs -:- Calling Blonde Premies that were sexually abused -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 01:15:13 (GMT)

Gregg -:- Neuro-theology -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 22:01:06 (GMT)
__ Robyn -:- Neuro-theology -:- Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 22:12:07 (GMT)
__ Francesca -:- the link -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 22:49:58 (GMT)
__ bill -:- Neuro-theology -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 03:50:25 (GMT)
__ __ Robyn -:- Neuro-theology -:- Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 22:26:15 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- This is the GOOD reason for having a forum habit -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 01:04:43 (GMT)
__ __ Earon Kavanagh -:- Jim: This the GOOD reason for having a forum habit -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 07:48:57 (GMT)
__ __ Francesca -:- This is the GOOD reason for having a forum habit -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 01:22:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ Gregg -:- Occam's razor... -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 02:07:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ JohnT -:- Occam's razor... (info) -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:04:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Patrick Conlon -:- John, you're up bright and early for a Sat -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:30:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ JohnT -:- Hi Patrick -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 17:29:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Patrick Conlon -:- John - at 6 am on a Sat? Brats NT -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 19:32:40 (GMT)
__ Jerry -:- Neuro-theology -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 22:51:24 (GMT)
__ __ Gregg -:- Neuro-theology -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 23:13:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jerry -:- Neuro-theology -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 00:25:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Scott T. -:- Occam lets his hair down. -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 04:28:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Gregg -:- Neuro-theology -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 00:44:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Francesca -:- Nail on the head -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 01:21:10 (GMT)
__ __ Earon Kavanagh -:- Franscesca: Neuro-theology -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 23:05:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ Francesca -:- Neuro-theo and music -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 23:58:59 (GMT)
__ Francesca -:- Thanks Gregg! -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 22:28:38 (GMT)

xentrik -:- wotsitallabout -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 21:37:32 (GMT)
__ Cynthia -:- wotsitallabout...Hi -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 22:58:12 (GMT)
__ Aussi Ji -:- wotsitallabout -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 11:17:22 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- We have a Gant chart and are not afraid to use it. -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 09:54:58 (GMT)
__ __ JohnT -:- That's all very well, Anth -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 17:01:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Just thinking out loud John. -:- Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 10:34:09 (GMT)
__ janet -:- welcome to the clubhouse.pull up a keyboard. -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 05:30:30 (GMT)
__ salam -:- wotsitallabout -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 01:01:34 (GMT)
__ __ baz -:- forget guru -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 01:20:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Fuck the baby. -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 11:18:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ salam -:- Do not know you -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 02:34:29 (GMT)

cq -:- Balyogeshwar Shri Sant Ji Maharaj = Maharaji -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 19:27:50 (GMT)
__ janet -:- remember this one, too, tho -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 05:38:07 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- another reclaimed memory - thanks! and BTW ... -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 14:40:05 (GMT)
__ Bin Liner -:- Barry Bollix Shwar = little cunt...... -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 00:54:41 (GMT)
__ __ baz -:- Barry Bollix Shwar = little cunt...... -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 01:13:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ Bin Liner -:- You only shoot the messenger when.... -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 21:57:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ baz -:- something of value -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 23:44:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- Ballybollixyerguessisasgoodasmine -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 14:35:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ baz -:- maharaji hype -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 20:19:17 (GMT)

Wish -:- The indian mobster uses extortion -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 19:14:56 (GMT)
__ kap -:- The indian mobster uses extortion -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 22:43:19 (GMT)
__ __ watashi -:- The indian mobster uses extortion -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 13:22:49 (GMT)
__ __ janet -:- what do you want out of all this, kap? -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:22:50 (GMT)
__ Lesley -:- Funny imagery, made me laugh, but I think I'd -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 21:45:06 (GMT)
__ __ Kelly -:- Funny imagery, made me laugh, but I think I'd -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 22:49:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ Lesley -:- Dear Lord, Please bless my porridge -:- Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 18:37:49 (GMT)

Brian -:- Site statistics -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 17:38:56 (GMT)
__ EXiT -:- Site statistics / Can some please explain -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 22:05:02 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Site statistics -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:08:09 (GMT)
__ __ Brian -:- Site statistics -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 23:04:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Thanks Brian. -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 10:34:02 (GMT)
__ __ Patrick Conlon -:- Site statistics -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:18:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Look again Patrick. -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:41:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Patrick Conlon -:- Anth, I can't wait to get my statistics on you NT -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:54:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Dot, Help. -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 09:59:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Patrick Conlon -:- See, Anth, you are a snookie NT -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 19:29:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- ...and you're a tease. -:- Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 10:37:47 (GMT)
__ Ways -:- Site statistics -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 18:36:16 (GMT)
__ __ gErRy -:- What about the graph for 'lentils consumed?' nt -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 18:43:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- We cooked it with some spices and ate it (nt) -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:10:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ Marianne -:- Read yer email, goofy guy -nt -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 18:44:21 (GMT)

Sandy -:- Where the people really felt connected in love -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 17:36:40 (GMT)
__ kap -:- no brotherly love -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 23:06:13 (GMT)
__ __ Fact -:- Kap, what is wrong? -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:22:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ kap -:- Kap, what is wrong? nuting -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 14:50:11 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- You really can't see it, can you, kap? -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 00:07:05 (GMT)
__ __ Forum Admin -:- Still allowing you to post -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 23:16:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ kap -:- Still allowing you to post -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 14:23:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ gerry -:- Keep Kap; Ship Sheep nt -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 00:19:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ kap -:- Keep Kap; Ship Sheep nt -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 15:01:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Why won't you ever answer me, kap? -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 18:45:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ kap -:- Why won't you ever answer me, kap? -:- Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 01:44:14 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Sandy, you're such a hippy. -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:00:06 (GMT)
__ Sandy -:- In fairness... -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 19:25:49 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- More empty word games (yawn .....) -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 00:10:49 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- In fairness... -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:03:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- I forgot to add- Who has Maharaji made HIS master? -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:08:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Patrick Conlon -:- I forgot to add- Who has Maharaji made HIS master? -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:21:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Ah, so THAT's what he'd like people to believe?(nt -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:33:45 (GMT)
__ Tim G -:- Where the people really felt connected in love -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 18:10:54 (GMT)
__ __ Tim G -:- Where the people really felt connected in love -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 18:21:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ Sandy -:- Charles Shultz and Linus' quote -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 18:29:27 (GMT)
__ __ Sandy -:- Where the people really felt connected in love -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 18:16:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ gErRy -:- Oh Sandy !!! No !!! Really?? An AUTOGRAPHED SEPIA -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 18:26:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ JHB -:- ROFL!!! -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 19:33:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Tim G -:- On my wall! -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 19:55:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Patrick Conlon -:- Ten divine tchochkes hanging on my wall! -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 19:59:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Tim G -:- Ten divine tchochkes hanging on my wall! -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:21:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Patrick Conlon -:- Tim, tchochkes is Yiddish for -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:23:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Patrick Conlon -:- Tagore not a Master just a faggy poet NT -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 18:56:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Sandy -:- Yep, framed, glass and everything! -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 18:35:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ janet -:- hm. musta been his shrink wrap/rap....nt -:- Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 07:03:32 (GMT)

Salam -:- Bloody best direction to The Rock I've found so fa -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 14:48:53 (GMT)
__ salam -:- gerry, you there? ELK answered -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 17:06:04 (GMT)
__ __ Stonor -:- Salam, you missed this one: (and Gerry) -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 17:20:44 (GMT)
__ __ Marianne -:- Do tell salam -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 17:11:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ Stonor -:- Here you go, Marianne: 'The plans of mice and men' -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 17:24:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ salam -:- There u go -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 17:23:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ gerry -:- I'm here, Salam and Hi Marianne -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 17:22:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Marianne -:- We're sending the ex-premie limo to Heathrow for u -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 17:53:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Can we land a Gulfstream at Heathrow ? -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 18:05:24 (GMT)

salam -:- Sacred root of sustanable design -:- Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 14:32:43 (GMT)


Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 09:08:51 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Cancel my farewell,I can't do it
Message:
I just can't do it.Tim G hit it on the head.It is service to mankind posting here.I have realized I have an obligation to stick around.Maybe something I say just might turn the tide for somone wanting out of their shitty mess.
So itis back to all those aussi colloquilisms again folks.I feel those kangaroos in the top paddock are itchin' to get out again,and those dead dingo's dongas(dicks) are hardening up again.I just can't leave folks.
You bonza little rippa! cheers Aussi Ji.
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 19:24:47 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: Hi Aussie Ji
Message:
Nigel once said 'I have quit quitting the forum' (after reappearing after announcing his retirement for the umpteenth time). I agree with that sentiment. I don't think anyone should feel that they HAVE to post here, or that they should feel weird about taking a break (taking breaks is good, IMHO), but I like the people on here a lot and enjoy interacting with them.

Take care,
Katie

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Date: Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 04:25:57 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Thanks Katie.I,m gunna stick around like shit to a
Message:
blanket from now on. Aussi Ji.
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Date: Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 04:33:37 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: Never heard THAT one before :)
Message:
Around here, they say 'I'm gonna stick to you like white on rice', which doesn't make much sense either.

Well, I knew you couldn't disappoint the lovely Ms. Robyn...

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Date: Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 05:40:07 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: aussies are unpredictable
Message:
I thought it stick around like a horse shit fly, but you can always have your own variation.

salam@rawatsucks

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 18:55:58 (GMT)
From: Patrick Conlon
Email: pdconlon@yahoo.com
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: My twin separated at birth
Message:
I'm so glad. I've also thought of pulling away and getting back to the things I was doing before but it's goddam addictive. I'm glad you're sticking around.
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Date: Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 04:17:40 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: Patrick Conlon
Subject: My twin separated at birth
Message:
G'Day Patrick,
I just realized you were Frank.Thank you,your twin is back to stay
Cheers Aussi Ji.
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Date: Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 05:54:03 (GMT)
From: Patrick C
Email: pdconlon@yahoo.com
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: My twin - yep Frank and Thelma
Message:
More name changes and incarnations than Rev Rawat himself. I see you've responded to a post up there so I'm leaving down under here and going up there.
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 12:58:26 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: Cancel my farewell,I can't do it
Message:
Dear AJ,
I am so glad, I've just missed you terribly! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 04:19:41 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: likewise robyn
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 10:18:30 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: yea! the aussies are still with us!! woo hoo
Message:
ey mate--if you leave, 'owm I gonna study up on yer strange colloquialisms? an plus, 'oo's gonna be our 5th column in Amaroo?

so glad you came back.

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Date: Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 04:22:15 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: I could'nt leave for quids.
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 09:44:35 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: Welcome back Aussi Ji (nt)
Message:
gday
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Date: Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 03:00:51 (GMT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Hey Anth why didn't you answer . . .
Message:
. . my response to your declaration that a year from now the 'cult' will be finished. Here it is again. Your thoughts?
---------------------------------------------------

Anth,

I'm going to remind you about this a year from now:

'It will all be over this time next year (and you can quote me on that).'

That will be January 26, 2002. You will eat your words!!!!!!

Why? The law of contrast! There are literally millions of people out there who go to a church or synagogue every week, and who give 10 percent of all they make, and they know diddley squat! They don't even know about 3rd technique. All they know is a bunch of concepts from a book.

As bad as Maharaji is he is infinitely better than 99 percent of the religious bozos out there.

A year from now you will be hearing from me, you will pranam at my feet, and you will begin to know the value of Knowledge and the power of Deputy Dog!

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh God I think I just hurt myself.

The Deputised One (I been deputised!)

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Date: Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 10:28:28 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Sorry Dog, I was delayed in the post.
Message:
Hi Dog,

Howya doin'? I'm sorry I missed your question. I'll answer it here. Sometimes I miss the forum for a day or two, and the posts go inactive really quickly nowadays.

Let's make a date- January 26 next year...one of us will eat humble pie and pranam. Yeah for I have spake.

I think Maharaji's worse than 99% of the bozoz out there Dog. Here's my reasons-

He thinks he's greater than Jesus and Buddha, and probably God.

He's an abusive philanderer.

He behaved despicably when he hit the cyclist in his car.

He has uncontrolable material greed, to name but three reasons.

I remember the Catholic priest Father Phelan, who I met when we were organising my fathers funeral. He worked on a massive low-cost govt housing complex outside Nottingham. He is a good, genuinely humble, caring and loving person. He was sensitive to everybody's needs, and behaved like a model human being in all our dealings with him. There are thousands of dedicated, sincere people like him, working quietly, without great material reward, inside all the religions of the world. And even though I don't condider myself religious- I have mountains more respect for these people than I do for the Fatguru.

Anth the lapsed Catholic

PS. The second part of your post really made me laugh out loud.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:26:58 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: ELK's poet!!!! Don't miss it
Message:
A laugh from the bottom of my heart

In this world,
there are not
so many things
to smile about.
But since I've
met my master,
I laughed
for the first time -
and not the last -
within my own self,
from the bottom
of my very heart.
What this showed me was
that even my gravity
towards myself
was fake.

Stojan Svet
Postojna, Slovenia

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 15:56:06 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: I actually like the last few lines...
Message:
'What this showed me was
that even my gravity
towards myself
was fake.'

I dunno. It's kind of surrealist or something. The more I think about it, the less sense it makes...and I like that in a poem.

About the rest of the poem: I wish I had laughed when I first met my 'master.' It would have been a more appropriate response than what actually happened.

When I first met my 'master,' it was at the double-dip darshan line in Orlando, fall of 1975. I cupped my hand behind my right ear for Holy Breath...

Laughing out loud at my foolishness and his presumptious pretentious pomposity would have saved me from years of delusion. But, hey, we're all deluded anyway. It wasn't such a bad ride.

Not to say Rawat isn't a bad man for continuing to con everyone with the apalling myth that he is a holy man who can show humanity the Secret Knowledge of God... but I had some good times.

Didn't learn shit, even though I thought I was getting somewhere at the time. Pretty much like taking psychedelics (renamed etheogens recently. I don't think so.). When you come down, the profound insights don't seem quite so profoud.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 07:48:12 (GMT)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: ELK's poet!!!! whoever wrote this
Message:
does not have her feet firmly planted on the ground .....Wheeee
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 14:14:33 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: ELK's poet!!!! whoever wrote this
Message:
Can you see clearly now as an ex? I wonder what he does for a living?
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 18:53:04 (GMT)
From: Kelly
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: ELK's poet!!!! Not a patch on this
Message:
The gentle phoenix, that unfolds its wings,
Direct to my heart it flew;
Every door closed it seems;
But real door is open I knew;
In my delight, I forgot to fight;
Drunken with loves own brew.

No sage, no rage told me else;
I did what I had to do.

A glistening thought, that crossed my heart,
Was my love for you.

The love I felt was ever fresh,
Like the morning dew.

With a joyful heart that I depart,
Like the gentle breeze that blew.

Every sojourn must come to its end
So must mine too.

(From a poem by Maharaji)

I found it in an Indian magazine called 'Life Force' Oct-Dec 1993

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 19:49:02 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Kelly
Subject: It must be his
Message:
It sounds moronic enough...He wrote it?

Oh my, I still can believe sometimes I was so into such a weird way of thinking. What a waste of time.

Thanks, and taht is what you said? He wrote this one? Yack!

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 22:06:41 (GMT)
From: Kelly
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Yes really. This is the work of a 'master'!!!
Message:
I promise you, it's genuine, from a magazine published by DUO in India. It's a masterpiece isn't it?!!!!
Kelly
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:35:21 (GMT)
From: Fact of laugh
Email: None
To: LARD
Subject: I pressed submit too quick: Gravity is fake?
Message:
poor person. What a fool he sounds like and I bet, he doesn't know it, in the name of the Lard.

even gravity is fake...why? Why maharaji does this to people?
Why maharaji? Why do you allow people to make a fool of themselves? Oh, I know. The slow ass doesn't want to be slow alone...Fool master. fool follower.

MAHARAJI: FREE THE PREMIES!!!!

Cut the krap maharaji, otherwise when you fall your sound is going to be too loud. Have eggs: Just do it. Like Nike.

DO IT.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:40:25 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Fact of laugh
Subject: I pressed submit too quick: Gravity is fake?
Message:
what he gonna do with the eggs?
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 14:13:02 (GMT)
From: Fact
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: I pressed submit too quick: Gravity is fake?
Message:
They are on his face! LOL
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 15:02:46 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Fact
Subject: Oh, I thought you were talking about
Message:
the eggs between his legs.

Thank you for the clarification :)

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 19:50:27 (GMT)
From: Fact
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: can't stop laughing (nt)
Message:
LOLOLOL
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 02:31:01 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Brian
Subject: It has to be said
Message:
I wrote this way down below but it might get lost amongst all the posts, so I'll say it again here because some people might not appreciate all that the original Brian has done:

I'm not around these parts much these days but I must say, I enjoyed our phone conversation very much the other week. It was good to speak to you after all these years and see that yes,

Brian is a real cool guy and one of the best!


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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 17:42:31 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: It also has to be said
Message:
It also has to be said that even though Sir David claims he doesn't do much and only 'fools around in his spare time' (snicker), he has done a LOT for all of us ex-premies. Forum search engine, great-world-wide link-up, several other web sites, and Anything Goes, just to name a few things.

Thanks, Sir David, much appreciated!
Love,
Katie

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:25:17 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: I agree, Original Brian doesn't completely suck(nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 17:34:53 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: LOL, Daneane, thanks for the 'tribute' (snicker)
Message:
You've got a wicked sense of humor, girl.

Gotta admit that I like the name 'Original Brian' :).

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 03:40:15 (GMT)
From: Bill
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: I second that Sir David.-nt
Message:
fstj
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 03:47:51 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Bill
Subject: You are correct, Sir Dave
Message:
Yes, Brian does a lot of work behind the scenes for the Forum and I appreciate everything he has done for all of us here.

Also, as Patrick Conlon found out Brian writes posts with more punch and sharp wit than anyone here. Even on a busy day when I don't have time to read a lot of posts if I see Brian posting I eagerly read them all. Ok, I'm not so eager about posts with my name on the To line.

Thank you, Brian.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 19:42:48 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: You are correct, Sir Dave
Message:
This is too funny, Roger:
Even on a busy day when I don't have time to read a lot of posts if I see Brian posting I eagerly read them all. Ok, I'm not so eager about posts with my name on the To line.

Much appreciated around here :).

BTW, in case you wondered what the 'get well soon' posts were about, Brian just had cataract surgery on one eye and will get the other eye done next month. As you know, he is unusually young to have such rapidly progressing cataract problems - he was basically going blind. If anyone else on here has been staring into computers since the bad old days of high radiation monitors, I urge that they get their eyes checked. Brian's surgery went really well and he's doing fine - and can actually see out of one eye again.

Take care, Rog -
Katie

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 04:05:46 (GMT)
From: Gordon Showcase
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Just off the boat from Taiwan
Message:
Don't worry Mr eDrek - I read your posts with great interest. I'd just like to let you know that the consignment of blow-up latex Maharaji dolls have now arrived from Taiwan and these are the delux versions with the extra large boobs and vibrating lotus feet.

Could you remind me how many of them you wanted? I also have some old Mata Ji dolls going for a song since I just can't shift them.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 17:27:17 (GMT)
From: TED Farkel
Email: None
To: Gordon Showcase
Subject: Gordon,I'll take a few if Drek don't want em...nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 18:46:58 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: TED Farkel
Subject: Guys, this was supposed to be serious thread (nt)
Message:
adsf
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 01:40:52 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Where the hell is Amaroo?
Message:
if you never been there have a look

Directions to Amaroo, don't blame if you're lost

Am working on a location map, any input is appreciated and remember, rawat always sucks at

salam@rawatsucks

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 09:15:21 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: In the middle of fucking nowhere.
Message:
G'Day Sa;am,
Yeah in the middle of a fucking hot dish.As I said once before they say it is paradise.The people who say that must be from the Sahara desert.If the sun doesn't kill you the snakes or spiders w
ill.no,actually some of the premies are more dangerous.

Cheers Aussi Ji(I'm back)

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 13:07:32 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: rawatsucks@yahoo.com.au
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: Oh hi, glad it didn't take long to be back
Message:
was looking for you.

Looking for someone from Brisbane, do you know anyone? Need some info about Amaroo. Keep it hush hush, EV is very interested in this conversation. E-mail me.

By the way, you do not have a little helicopter that we can fly to Amaroo and back, need to take a couple of pics.

salam@rawatsucks

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 05:54:28 (GMT)
From: sb
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: RAWAT ALWAYS SUCKS
Message:
IT FELT GOOD TO JUST WRITE IT. LOL

Keep the good work!

Hi. Call me.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:38:07 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: sb
Subject: RAWAT ALWAYS SUCKS
Message:
Call you, where to? I know I have your number somewhere, but send it anyway.

luv u

salam

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 04:24:30 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: thanks. its not on the satellite mapping..
Message:
yesterday i searched the aerial satellite scans of Brisbane as far as they would take me, and they ran out just minutes shy of Ivory's Rock to the southwest of the city limits. the scanning was done by soviet satellites--sputnick--and the date was 1992, so i dont know what i would have seen, even had the mapping covered it. but i used your long and lat co ordinates for Ivory's Rock to run my scans. if i HAD gotten and aerial image, i would have posted it here.

he can run but he cannot hide.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:35:29 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: rawatsucks@yahoo.com.au
To: janet
Subject: can we rent a satellite
Message:
to see what's happening? If rawat is sucking behind a bush then he can be charged with indecent exposer in a public place.

On a serious note, what url is your satellite? You can spam me with e-mail like you always do if you don't want 'EV' to get a hint. My dedicated spam e-amil is up

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:42:25 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: hire a plane to fly over and photgraph..
Message:
get someone chartered out of Brisbane or even Ipswich to do it.
as for satellite imaging, you can get it at terraserver or off of microsoft network. EV has no power to stop satellites from doing their global mapping. I'd like to see Maharaji try to persuade the former Soviet Union to turn off their sputnik surveyors over Ivory's Rock ,just for him. hee hee hee
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:50:15 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: hire a plane to fly over and photgraph. Exactly
Message:
Make a one hour video during an event. Throw anti maharaji leaflets from the air, land in the middle of a suck session or some shit then give the film to bazza the bongo for steeming it. Any donations to pay for the cost.

We still have until April to plan it.

You think EV will have anti-aircraft guns installed?

hehe hehe.

Where is Cynthia? that is her job.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 02:39:02 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Where the hell is your web site?
Message:
How many more homepage URLs are you gonna have????

That's FOUR now!!!

I'm sticking with the orignal one for my Anything Goes Links page, for the time being until you've made your decision and stuck to it for more than two days.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 02:48:27 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: EV brought it down, What?
Message:
no, just kidding.

These are only files of the site. The one that you have on AG links is correct. I just haven't organized the files in a directory. At present am like a junk collector, it will make sense one day.

And may FG blessing be on me.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 01:46:24 (GMT)
From: baz
Email: na
To: salam
Subject: Amaroo is wherever you want it to be
Message:
peace
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 10:35:46 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: baz
Subject: I want it to be...
Message:
...in the Auctioneers catalogue.

Anth the Property Speculator

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 05:59:17 (GMT)
From: Forum Admin
Email: None
To: baz
Subject: Please note baz is not bazza
Message:
Dear Baz

We have a regular poster who uses the name 'bazza'. Would you please choose another handle so as not to cause confusion.

Thanks

Forum Administrator.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:27:21 (GMT)
From: Patrick Conlon
Email: None
To: Forum Admin
Subject: Thanks FA- was hoping you would clear that up. NT
Message:
e
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 01:09:10 (GMT)
From: Wish
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Calling Blonde Premies that were sexually abused
Message:
Calling Blonde Premies that were sexually abused by the fat lard. Get together and press charges. Maybe our resident lawyer J. could repesent you, and even if you don't win the case, just the bad publicity could bring down the fat fuck once and for all. You have the power, USE IT.

The swine must be deported or sent to jail, preferably the latter.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 02:30:26 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Wish
Subject: Wishfull thinking
Message:
Not with your approach they won't come out.
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 02:17:43 (GMT)
From: Sandy
Email: None
To: Wish
Subject: Calling Blonde Premies WHO were sexually abused
Message:
The term 'that' implies an object, not a person.
No offense, just respect to the blondes.
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 01:15:13 (GMT)
From: debs
Email: na
To: Wish
Subject: Calling Blonde Premies that were sexually abused
Message:
chance would be a fine thing
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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 22:01:06 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Neuro-theology
Message:
Neuro-theology is the subject of an article in the current Newsweek entitled 'Searching for the God Within.'

Scientists measured the brain waves of a meditating Tibetan Buddhist, and apparently discovered that a part of the brain became relatively inactive: the structure that maintains the border between self and world.

Scientists and their anti-theistic brethern have quite a piece of evidence in their hands now. This seems to show that meditation and other varieties of mystical communion are not moments of hyper-perceptivity; on the contrary, they 'dumb down' an important part of the brain, and, perhaps through some sort of endorphin magic, trigger a sort of neurochemical proof of the old saying: ignorance is bliss.

On the other hand, the more transcendentally inclined will say, 'See? The capacity for mystical rapture is hard-wired into the brain!'

In either case, this bit of research is something to chew on. One obvious implication (not mentioned in the article) is that this ability to distinguish between self and world develops in early childhood (around six months?), so in this sense the mystic is reverting to a infantile mental state.

(A related bit of research: one study showed that the most powerful mantra for inducing a sense of inner peace was, 'My Mommy and I are One,' a sentiment apparently designed to propel the chanter into this same mental territory - back into the days when everything was all right. No problems!)

So. Again with the two perspectives: the scientists would see this as backing up their thesis that there is no Divine One, there is only purposeful delusion on the part of the faithful.

And the faithful, for their part, will refer to the Bible verse about becoming like a little child to enter Heaven. Infants come fresh from union with the Infinite and they still remember that which we have forgotten. The spiritual path is about unlearning.

This back-almost-to-the-womb thing is a little more complicated, though. Because although I come down on the mystic side of the argument, I still think that movements like Maharaj Ji's foment a different type of infantilism: an emotional one.

Although some premies had authentically cosmic experiences while in the womb of the cult, it was at the expense of any sort of emotional maturity. Part of the frisson of the cult experience is a sense of oneness with comrades on the path. And, of course, a surrender of any genuine sense of autonomy in favor of being subsumed into the Great Tubby One on stage. The Shining Face hung from every wall in the ashram. Even in the bathroom.

What I'm trying to say is that the sort of primal experience cultists have is a simulcram of the real thing. It feels good, but it costs too much.

One can have the sort of experience such as the Tibetan in the magazine article had, and still be a grownup in every kind of way. Perhaps moments of oneness can provide a sense of meaning and even a way to be more responsible and more 'grown up' by releasing the mind and emotions from their dangerously self-referential illusions.

When it comes down to it, though, the nature of the experience (no, not that 'experience'!) will always be a mystery, as Jerry put it so well in a post below on Karma:

'Since humans are often baffled by their experiences in consciousness, wouldn't it be fair to say that they're superstitious about them to the point where they mystify them, giving them a mystique which is only a reflection of our ignorance of what they really are?'

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Date: Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 22:12:07 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Neuro-theology
Message:
Dear Gregg,
Interesting post, thanks. I wanted to add my take on this hoping I don't repeat what's been said below.
This 'dumbing down', could be a benifical, even needed thing like sleep is to an active life. Not good if used as an escape like my dad did/does with sleep, not used to avoid life but to rejuvinate from the stresses of life to better deal with ones day to day stresses and experiences.
Why do the scientists see it as a purposeful delusion, why isn't it possible to be, in their eyes, an ability humans have. A way we can regroup. If it is something that can be achieved quite naturally why wouldn't it make sense that it is there for a reason, a connection to our nature as we exist in nature along with all other creatures.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 22:49:58 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: the link
Message:
I forgot to say that I hit the web as soon as I read the post yesterday. Newsweek has the article up at:

Searching for the God Within

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 03:50:25 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Neuro-theology
Message:
Even if there IS a god, STILL 'there is only purposeful delusion on the part of the faithful'

Another good post Gregg, you do however give more credit than you may have meant when you said, 'Perhaps moments of oneness can.....'
There IS no 'moments of oneness'. That is part of that 'purposeful delusion on the part of the faithful'

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Date: Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 22:26:15 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: bill
Subject: Neuro-theology
Message:
Dear Bill,
Hi dear! :) What about moments of oneness with our own nature? Hmmmmmm? God being a theory that most have bought into when it is really just ourselves. Like our meditation experiences being our own, from us to us, not a 'gift' from m.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 01:04:43 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: This is the GOOD reason for having a forum habit
Message:
Good discussion guys. I'm with Jerry vis-a-vis Occam's Razor and, sorry Earon, but Ken Wilbur is far too new age for me.

(By the way, I was in Van this morning in the Court of Appeal and tried to call you for lunch, last minute. Just got your voice mail and didn't leave a message. Maybe next time.)

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 07:48:57 (GMT)
From: Earon Kavanagh
Email: earonkavanagh@mortimer.com
To: Jim
Subject: Jim: This the GOOD reason for having a forum habit
Message:
Hi Jim
I just came in from a beer with some former leftists from the seventies.
Sorry I missed your call. I've been holed up all week sick with a bad cold. Rightfully, they don't want me to show up at work until I feel better.

Yeah, I read 2 of Wilber's books in the early 90's alongside all the usual heavier stuff. I like to get different views on things.

We'll do that beer soon I'm sure. We'll probably have a few war stories to share by then. I went out to my usual Irish pub for a quick beer around 9 last night. I was getting a little stir crazy. When I got there I was surrounded by drunken Scots. It was Robbie Burns night. I had my beer and bullshitted with a few regulars and came back home.

Cheers,
Earon

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 01:22:30 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: This is the GOOD reason for having a forum habit
Message:
I agree about Ken Wilbur. But what the *hey* is Ozkam's Razor?
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 02:07:14 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Occam's razor...
Message:
means that (as I understand it) the most concise, simple logical explanation wins.

In other words, far out psychic explanations of reality can be trumped by common sense.

Or, choose the least bizarre theory: it's probably right.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:04:48 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Occam's razor... (info)
Message:
William of Ockham (or Occam) was an English philosopher who died around 650 years ago.

His famous razor, also called the principle of economy states that in explaining something, assumptions must not be needlessly multiplied.

To my mind, it relates to the maxim familiar to children and lawyers, oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive. That is, tell a lie and you may find yourself obliged to tell more and more lies to cover the original lie.

Similarly, if one makes a faulty assumption one can find that more and more assumptions must be made in order to defend that original faulty hypthesis.

The scientific method embraces Ockam's razor, and this can be painful! For what comes out may well be mind-bendingly bizarre and highly counter-intuitive. But if it is the simplest explanation in the sense of the one that makes the fewest assumptions, that is the one the scientific method should choose.

It's interesting to note that it is a principle of the scientific method, not a finding of science. In that sense it can be thought of as an axiom of rational enquiry.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:30:48 (GMT)
From: Patrick Conlon
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: John, you're up bright and early for a Sat
Message:
I always appreciate you input. It's almost bedtime here.
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 17:29:21 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Patrick Conlon
Subject: Hi Patrick
Message:
Sometimes the kids kick me out of bed so there's enough room for them to curl up with Flossums (aka MrsT). Once they've stopped farting and wriggling I sneak back in. But first I check the most interesting place on the web.

The site at the end of the cultiverse.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 19:32:40 (GMT)
From: Patrick Conlon
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: John - at 6 am on a Sat? Brats NT
Message:
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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 22:51:24 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Neuro-theology
Message:
Gregg,

I lean toward the theory that the mystical experience is a return to a state of being lived in this life, perhaps the infantile one. Maybe there was a time in our lives when as long as we were fed and felt safe and protected, we lived in a state of perfect contentment where we didn't have a care in the world. Maybe we have memories of that state that resurface during the mystical experience. I know my own mystical experience can only be described as one of remembrance, of returning to a state of being where every desire was fulfilled, and not a care in the world existed. If this isn't a memory of my state of being as an infant, it can only be a memory of a life before this one. While there is a certain appeal in believing this is the case, I personally don't believe it is so. I've just learned too much in these passed couple of years about the affects of our neuro-biology on our state of mind not to think there is some kind of correlation between the mystical experience and the state of our central nervous system while having one.

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 23:13:44 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Neuro-theology
Message:
Jerry,

You say: 'I've just learned too much in these passed couple of years about the affects of our neuro-biology on our state of mind not to think there is some kind of correlation between the mystical experience and the state of our central nervous system while having one.'

I agree - and that's why I find speculations about such correlations so interesting. But I don't think information about central nervous system activity necessarily negates the validity of other kinds of conclusions one might draw about the nature of mystical experience.

It is tempting to say, 'Oh, so that's what Samadhi is all about. Brain waves and stuff.' But this act of intellectual reduction reflects a held belief about the insubstantiality of spiritual experience; it is not a logical or inevitable result of scientific discoveries about the brain, etc.

It is just as reasonable to suppose that the bodymind has a capacity for transcendental experience in much the same way it has a capacity for language and art. In fact, I think the innate grammatical structures hardwired into their brains postulated by Noam Chomsky might have their counterparts in the area we're talking about here.

We have the capacity to experience reality as an unbroken field of ecstatic...um, something...and if this intuition of truth is accompanied by certain cerebral fireworks...well, isn't that to be expected? We are physical and chemical beings at the same time we are something else. Not something greater, just something...else.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 00:25:58 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Neuro-theology
Message:
Gregg,

A dose of Occam's Razor might be desired when contemplating the nature of the mystical experience. If no evidence yet exists that we are more than these human bodies and the experience they provide, why consider that we might also be 'something else', as you say? What would motivate you to consider that possibility?

In fact, I think the innate grammatical structures hardwired into their brains postulated by Noam Chomsky might have their counterparts in the area we're talking about here.

There's an interesting book written along these lines by philosopher, Matthew Alper, called the 'The God Part Of The Brain'. He believes that we're hardwired to manifest a God in our lives just as we are to walk upright, form grammatical structures, and do whatever else it is that comes naturally to us. He doesn't suggest, however, that this is evidence that God actually exists. He just attempts to prove that a structure of our brain evolved, through natural selection, that compels us to believe that there is a God. He might be right, he might be wrong. It is an interesting read, nonetheless. You might want to check it out.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 04:28:00 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Occam lets his hair down.
Message:
Jerry:

Occam's Razor isn't a law, it's just a method... and therefore has to be applied within the context of a scientific investigation. As humans, we have a penchant for simple solutions to simple problems, and most of the long term problems that have plagued the human race are complex, and have complex solutions. In fact, they are usually so complex that they haven't yet even been defined. What simple resolution of the healthcare dilemma is going to result in an adequate sense of justice? What's the solution to periodic crime waves, or crime in general? There's no end of 'simple' solutions to these problems... but none have ever worked... and none ever will.

I suspect that, likewise, there is no simple explanation for these events we call 'spiritual experience' because the nature of the critter that has them isn't simple. It would be a damned fine irony if spiritual experience were nothing more than a sort of 'preview' of what life might be like were scientific method to 'grow up' and achieve resolutions to some of these nasty little complex problems. I have no problem at all with irony being a design criterion in universe.

--Scott

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 00:44:34 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Neuro-theology
Message:
Thanks for the book suggestion! I'll check it out. It sounds like something that corresponds with my belief system. Part of which is: (this may sound familiar) Always Leave Room for Doubt in Your Mind.

States of mystical ecstasy are intrinsically self-rewarding, which leads me to believe they are clues to who we are as animals as much as other of our intrinsic programs. (My own favorite example, cuz I discovered it on my own: the need to vomit when you smell others' vomit. Self-preservation: if a whole tribe ate the same thing, and it was bad, it would be advantageous to have the impulse to throw up right away. Hence the gentically encoded instuctions wired into the olfactory/stomach thing.)

So I do not view this sort of evidence as proof of the existence of God. Or Transcendent Reality (since, as I'm a Buddhist, I don't believe in God anyway, right?)

I have a few beliefs about life, death, etc. But I know I am probably wrong.

The subjective evidence, to me, anyway, suggests that what we discover in meditation is a very essential part of who we are as humans, even though we may err in how we assign meaning to these experiences.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 01:21:10 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Gregg et al.
Subject: Nail on the head
Message:
This. You said:

'The subjective evidence, to me, anyway, suggests that what we discover in meditation is a very essential part of who we are as humans, even though we may err in how we assign meaning to these experiences.'

What an area of discovery, fer sure! I think I've been assigning all sorts of meanings, and reassigning and redefining, and letting it be.

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 23:05:49 (GMT)
From: Earon Kavanagh
Email: earonkavanagh@mortimer.com
To: Jerry
Subject: Franscesca: Neuro-theology
Message:
Ken Wilber, in the 'Atman Project', has some interesting things to say about what you just noted. He's proposed a whole model of consciousness that takes place from birth onward and investigates meditataive states as well. Interesting stuff!
By the way, you posts on another thread about the Anand Band, etc, were very moving for me, and actually brough some pain welling up from somewhere inside my gut. That early period was for me a very hopeful time and represented a lot of possibility, especially as conveyed by those musicians, who were true bards in my opinion. Alan Thomas was another one whom I recall; I really liked some of his songs. And Jiva, well, what can I say? They were cool (especially the first album). I remember the Anand Bannd from London (I believe in late 1971 and early 1972). Too bad the dream didn't become reality. IN fact, a couple of their songs are drifting thru my mind right now.
Earon
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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 23:58:59 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Earon Kavanagh
Subject: Neuro-theo and music
Message:
Yes, it is quite a bittersweet memory. There are so many songs I wrote myself during the devotional phase. A line or two makes sense still, but the songs as a whole ... yikes. And there's tapes floating around out there somewhere in the ethers. Back in the days before it was easy to duplicate tapes, I would lend out masters and never see them again.

And yes, the hope, the possibilities were almost palpable. But everything evolves and nothing is lost -- energy is neither created nor destroyed. The Buddhists say 'be not hopeful, nor hopeless.' Most of us spend much time commuting from one to the other.

In fact, the handle that got me to listen to M was when he said that God is energy. I wasn't doing religions at the time. Yes, one of those things like Chas S talks about below in the Rhadasoammy Whammy. Get you experiencing some truth and bliss and then tell you that M is the source. And stay in line or you'll be cut off from the source. Your Creator....

Alan Thomas is a great singer/songwriter. Haven't heard anything about him in years. Saw many people when I still lived in LA in the late 70s. People, even those on the borderline fringes, would still come around. The guys in Jiva were a bunch of jewels as well -- good songwriters and soulful singers. I remember that when I was in BBJ's band and hated the cult and the 'cult people,' the Jiva folks were so kind to me, and saw right past my cynicism. Just didn't even respond to it.

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 22:28:38 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Thanks Gregg!
Message:
I'll have to look up that article but I also appreciate your commentary on it!
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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 21:37:32 (GMT)
From: xentrik
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: wotsitallabout
Message:
I used to be in the premie gang but one day realised that I'd been taken for a mug. I can't believe it's still going strong.

I have never been the same since - a bit like the first time someone really lets you down; you tend to be a bit cautious afterwards. I am a total skeptic now although I still miss those heady days of believing there was someone up there looking out for me. I guess we just have to look out for each other.

Anyhow nice to see that there is some backlash and I hope you can put a few people off.

x

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 22:58:12 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: xentrik
Subject: wotsitallabout...Hi
Message:
Hi xentrik,

Great name. Welcome to Forum V.

You'll see a variety of threads here, some very serious, some hilarious, some yucky, and many very productive in outing Mr. Rawat's con.

I liked janet's welcome, pull up a keyboard, cute!

Anyway, welcome, I hope you're doing well,
Cynthia

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 11:17:22 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: xentrik
Subject: wotsitallabout
Message:
G'Day Ex entrik,
How would ya be ol' son,or is that ol'sheila .Welcome aboard to the place that blows out the cobwebs from between each lug(ear).and gets rid of all that shit that is tucked away nicely in the recesses of your being.
Cheers Aussi Ji(the bloke who is not quite a sandwich short of the picnic(yet anyway)
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 09:54:58 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: xentrik
Subject: We have a Gant chart and are not afraid to use it.
Message:
Hi xentrik,

Welcome to the madhouse.

I think the aim of many cyber-subversives around here is to shut down the whole circus and put everybody off, not just a few people. We drew the plans up last year, and the Fatguru of our time should be out of business by Christmas. We're well ahead of schedule on our Gant Chart.

According to our revised programme, Amaroo will be on the market by summer, and the $40,000,000 jet will be repossesed by September.

This time next year, if you're driving up the Pacific Coast highway, watch out for a sign saying, 'Rawats Luxury Used Car Mart.'

He'll be much happier doing something he understands.

Anth the used bicycle

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 17:01:37 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: That's all very well, Anth
Message:
... but what shall I do with myself then?

JohnT
- justacultbusta

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Date: Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 10:34:09 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: Just thinking out loud John.
Message:
We could check around with the other cults, see if any of the exes in those need any help.

We could start our own cults. We're sure to do better than the Fatguru, having learned from his warehouse full of mistakes.

We could open a used car..no my mind's wandering.

Personally, I'm going to write a best-seller and go fishing.

Anth the brainstorm in a teacup.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 05:30:30 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: xentrik
Subject: welcome to the clubhouse.pull up a keyboard.
Message:
i like your name. order yourself a drink, pull out your photo album, and let's dish some dirt.

don't mind the factions here. we have our rationalists and our emotionalists and our sprinkng of proud eccentrics, but we all know we were burned by the fat man on the hill, so join in. oh--and EV does have readers monitoring this board, so feel free to chuck the occasional comment their way, just to wake them up and let them know we see them.

so-care introduce yourself? what cities were you in, what years were you in it, how did you leave, reminisces and recriminations??? any lingering effects you've noticed about it that are still with you?

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 01:01:34 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: xentrik
Subject: wotsitallabout
Message:
there may or may not be something out there looking after you, but whatever iti is, it certainly ain't blubber.

Have you checked with your mother in law?

Do you think that

salam@rawatsucks

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 01:20:53 (GMT)
From: baz
Email: na
To: salam
Subject: forget guru
Message:
forget the guru but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!
knowledge works for me(sometimes)
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 11:18:18 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: baz
Subject: Fuck the baby.
Message:
Fuck the baby. Fuck the bath. Fuck the bathroom. Fuck the house. Fuck the street. Fuck the town.

Steal a tank and flatten the whole pile of shite.

Anth the Exterminator.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 02:34:29 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: baz
Subject: Do not know you
Message:
are you Buzz, bazza, buzzer, buzzed ?

Knowledge will work for anyone that wants it to work. You got to belive. I don't, so it doesn't.

Just an idea.

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 19:27:50 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Balyogeshwar Shri Sant Ji Maharaj = Maharaji
Message:
So Maharaji is saying yet again that he never claimed to be God. Well, the more he does this, and the more his revisionism is displayed for history to see, the less he's going to get people to trust him.


The following is quoted from the book

Satgurudev
Shri Hans Ji Maharaj

Eternal is He,
Eternal is His Knowledge

Originally Published by Divine Light Mission,
B-19/3, Shakti Nagar, Delhi 7, India - 1970

and gives a far more accurate account of the kind of propoganda that accompanied Maharaji in the 70s:

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The Living Spiritual Master

The Spiritual Master is always present in the world. There is never a time when we are devoid of His presence. In the present age, one such master is again with us. He reveals the Word of God to all aspirants who come to him with true love for God. He is the Light, and shows us how to see its glory. He teaches the same one eternal truth which is the key for understanding all scriptures and previous spiritual masters. He imparts the Holy seed - Word which grows by his grace and with the diligent communion of the aspirant with His word.

As the master is necessary if we wish the mysteries of the Word to be revealed to us, we must strive to meet and humble ourselves before the realised soul who can deliver us from our darkness. 'Come unto me all ye that labour, Come unto me all ye that are heavy laden, and I will give you peace.'

The meaning of love, light and life can become clearly experienced under the realised master's guidance. Love is the joy of true being, and compassion is that which flows from one who experiences that joy. Light is the brightness of the soul and the experience of the truth that we are eternally one with God. Life is the Word or spirit within us, which is God as he manifests himself in creation. To receive this knowledge we must surrender ourselves at the feet of the realised master of the time.

The living spiritual master is Balyogeshwar Param Hans Satgurudev Shri Sant Ji Maharaj.


A Pen Sketch of Balyogeshwar Shri Sant Ji Maharaj

Born in a holy family, He was initiated into the life Divine by the late Satgurudev Shri Hans Ji Maharaj, a harbinger of world peace, universal love and ultimate reality. Hailing from the sacred soil of Badrinath in Uttrarakhand, India, Shri Hans Ji Maharaj aroused millions from the slumber of ignorance by His magic wand of spiritual knowledge. Balyogeshwar Shri Sant Ji Maharaj was acclaimed a born saint by Shri Hans Ji Maharaj. Others also saw the Divinity manifested in him, and were constantly in awe of his unusual behaviour from his very childhood. He was destined to fulfil the mission of uniting all religions with the silken bond of love. Yogiraj Shri Hans Ji Maharaj left His mortal frame on 19 July, 1966, transmitting His power potential of the secret Yoga to His Holiness Shri Sant Ji Maharaj.

His Holiness speaks in the language of parables, and disdains all intellectual conceptions of God. His approach to religion is one of common sense. His glittering personality and beautific appearance shed a halo of divinity around Him. He is a supreme comforter, born to dispel the darkness of ignorance and bestow peace and knowledge to the entire world. The Divine Light Mission, under his firm guidance is spreading its message of the Holy Name to one and all.

Shri Sant Ji Maharaj is not only young in years, but also in spirit. He plans to spread the knowledge of the Word and Divine Light to the world in his own lifetime. It is only now in this century where wide scale communication is possible that this proportion of the Mission has been made possible.

He is the manifestation of the supreme power and gives the knowledge of the Holy Name and Divine Light to all who ask for it. 'For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.' (Matthew, chapter 16; 26). He promises the gift of the knowledge of the soul to everyone who comes to him, irrespective of caste, colour or creed. 'For every one that asketh receiveth, and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.' (Matthew, 7; 8)

Millions in India have already been enlightened by his initiation into the knowledge of the Word. His disciples have spread his divine mission to England and South Africa, and he plans to disseminate the knowledge throughout the four corners of the earth.

Claiming no religion as his own, he reveals the one Truth of God basic to all religions and reveals the inner path to God.

'The kingdom of God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo, Here ! or lo, there ! for behold, the kingdom of God is within you.' (St. Luke, 17; 20-21)

Balyogeshwar Shri Sant Ji Maharaj has incarnated himself to reveal the truth, and to complete the destiny of man. He has come to give man the sharp sword of the Holy Name with which to cut down the snares of the world, to kill all desires and to find victory in truth and everlasting life.

He has come to speak to us, it is for us to listen.

'Therefore, whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock.'
(Matthew, 7; 24)
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Does this sound like the PR for a kid whose message is 'I am not God' ?

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 05:38:07 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: remember this one, too, tho
Message:
people ask 'are you God?' and I tell them, 'I am not God. My Knowledge is God. You are not receiving me. You are receiving my Knowledge. If you think you are recieving me--well--you're mistaken. Do not think you are receiving me. You are receiving my Knowledge. My Knowledge is God. Not me'
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 14:40:05 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: another reclaimed memory - thanks! and BTW ...
Message:
... remember this poster?

His claim that he was to be considered as being greater than God is one he certainly can't deny!

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 00:54:41 (GMT)
From: Bin Liner
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Barry Bollix Shwar = little cunt......
Message:

....apologies for lowering the tone , but I just felt like saying that.

Up against the wall Rawat ; if you're GOD , zap me through my cathode ray tube , arsehole , for taking the piss .

Glad to know that you reincarnated yourself to complete the destiny of man .

Thanks for digging that up cq , once upon a time that was fresh & inspiring .

Now it's horrible garbage.

It wouldn't have been though if Rawat had lived up to his promise.

He's betrayed me , & you , & fuck knows how many other people.

HE'S A CUNT.


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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 01:13:01 (GMT)
From: baz
Email: na
To: Bin Liner
Subject: Barry Bollix Shwar = little cunt......
Message:
hate to say it but haven't we betrayed ourselves? I'm as
disillusioned as the next man with Maharaji but I can't
really deny the experiences I had with knowledge. is it a
case of shooting the messenger?
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 21:57:29 (GMT)
From: Bin Liner
Email: None
To: baz
Subject: You only shoot the messenger when....
Message:
... the message is crap.

When the messenger ,the message , & the recipient are mysteriously one & the same & it's all gone wrong , who do you shoot ?

The fucking messenger.

Then you can unpick the good bits from the message & try (if you want) to make some sense of it.

As a recipient of the message I admit I was stupid ,(to have believed the messenger's claims to divinity) , but I don't consider that I've betrayed myself .

No , Rawat has betrayed ME , by not being the incarnation of god , which he claimed to be.

People get fucked over when insurance companies go bust.

That doesn't invalidate the principle of insurance , nor does it mean that they bear responsibility for not having been smart enough to suss out a dodgy operation.

OK ; my fault for being a sucker .

Rawat for being a fucking fake , who prostituted something of value for gain.

BANG

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 23:44:55 (GMT)
From: baz
Email: None
To: Bin Liner
Subject: something of value
Message:
Bin Liner
You mentioned 'something of value' - assume you mean k. So
how come the 'message'(ie.k) is crap?

baz

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 14:35:59 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: baz
Subject: Ballybollixyerguessisasgoodasmine
Message:
Hi Barry,

... shooting the messenger for being the bearer of bad tidings?

Well, I don't personally think the meditation was bad news for me, but I could certainly have done without the cult of personality that saw M puffed up into a saviour-type figure. There was so much bullshit associated with the question of 'Who is Guru Maharaji?' - and it's important for new premies to be informed of how M contributed to the hype around him.

To that end, it'd be really useful if you could find the time to put up a mpg of that excerpt from the 'LOTU' documentary where he says (at Houston airport, I think) 'now is the time for everybody to realise who is God'.

This is background info that everyone coming into contact with EV should be aware of.

Cheers,

Chris

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 20:19:17 (GMT)
From: baz
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: maharaji hype
Message:
Chris
I appreciate where you are coming from but don't you sometimes
feel that if m hadn't been there we would have had to invent him
let's face it westerners persuaded him to come over here from
india (although i don't suppose he took much persuading)and he
just told us what we wanted to hear!

Barry

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 19:14:56 (GMT)
From: Wish
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: The indian mobster uses extortion
Message:
The fat indian came to America to make his fortune in the guru business. He quickly married an American belle to break off his family ties and gain sole control of he empire. He is successful and ruthless. Gains innocent people's trust form emply lies and false promises. Once he has a good grip on them, the exploitation begins. Many have been financially and/or emotionally ruined through his tactics, some have commited suicide.

I think he's just an indian mobster that uses extortion and fear to get what he wants from people. Some might think these are harsh words towards maharaji, but for the suffering and and broken lives he caused, they're well deserved.

He should be deported back to India, or better yet, I'd love to see him in an American prison. He could be the fat girlfriend of a 6 foot 10, 350 pound cell mate.

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 22:43:19 (GMT)
From: kap
Email: None
To: Wish and infants
Subject: The indian mobster uses extortion
Message:
He is very very vindictive and never never forgives. after i cursed him he lead me to believe i was forgiven .but actually i never was .even when i did lots of service to make ammends he still would not allow me to approach him and be forgiven . his agent from wpc tried to get me to commit suicide after the festival in Orlando.
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 13:22:49 (GMT)
From: watashi
Email: gracjusz@netspace.net.au
To: kap
Subject: The indian mobster uses extortion
Message:
Hello,
I have never met the man.
What is it that made him so attractive to you in the first place?
What lies did he tell you that won your trust which he then
later betrayed?
watashi.
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:22:50 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: kap
Subject: what do you want out of all this, kap?
Message:
what is it you want out af all your postings? do you want us to believe you? does it matter if we do or don't? ifwe say we do, what does that change? if we can't say we do because it did't happen to us the way it happened for you, what difference does it make?
what do you want? do you want a lynch mob to storm his house and rend him limb from limb? do you want us all to nod our heads and say 'yeah man, he did it to me, too'? what difference would that make?
if these things happened to you, from your experience, then just know that, ok, for you, they did. don't get hung up on it, kap. you've said it here, and gotten all the response we can give you on those particular angles. you have to move past your fixation with that aspect of it, and move on into a more useful and helpful area of discussion.
just coming on and excaiming in indignation and outrage about the same thing over and over isnt going to net you any better results. change your tack. turn to another side of it. you want justice. you want repayment. you want restoration. then start pondering and applying your brain to what you might have to practically address, and consider, in order to start getting somewhere with such aims.
crying in the town square will only get you a moment's passing glance. that isnt how to get seriously involved. put your sandwich board down, take off your sackcloth robes, go wash your face, comb your hair, get dressed normally, and pull yourself together, and show up at the club for dinner and a sober, adult discussion of our likely options facing us now, today.
you've stated what you think was done to you. unfortunately, you live in a world where you can't prove it, and therefore you will have to carry it with you and just accept that such a problem is true.if you were crying 'he raped me!' or 'he robbed me!' or 'he ran me down with his car!', you would have tangibles the world could follow. If you cried 'he lied to me' and 'he betrayed my trust' and 'he led me on for years of my life with false promises', then you would get responsive replies from everyone else who had concluded the same.
you have stated numerous times that you delivered a blistering diatribe against maharaji in public in front of a hall full of people. good. stand on that. take that as your valid anthem. the fact that Ross faced you down and screamed at you is in the record and known. Ross isn't here, now. We are. You are. You can move past Ross, and command your original outrage about maharaji for yourself. own it. put your name on it. pull Ross out of the memory and the equation and focus on just you. for as long as you insist on tying Ross and maharaji to it, to you, you give them power over you. cut them out of it. take yourself back. take your power back.
get out of victim belief. leave it. they arent here. you arent with them. but they will be with you for as long as you bring them along.
free yourself. deny them. block it. bring yourself into today, and don't bring them with you.
it takes retraining yourself not to go there. it takes bravery, to face the world without it, but the one thng you need to be successful at it, you have now: You.
as they say in Recovery meetings--
'No one can do it for you--
but you can't do it alone'
We're here, doing the work, too. You have us. and you have yourself. You don't have to bring them them with you.
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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 21:45:06 (GMT)
From: Lesley
Email: None
To: Wish
Subject: Funny imagery, made me laugh, but I think I'd
Message:
like to see him really suffer. Put him in a cell with some of his financially challenged yet ardent followers, lol.
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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 22:49:25 (GMT)
From: Kelly
Email: None
To: Lesley
Subject: Funny imagery, made me laugh, but I think I'd
Message:
Thanks Lesley that really made me laugh. I wonder how long it would take for them to see right through him. I bet he'd reveal his true nature in the first few minutes!
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Date: Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 18:37:49 (GMT)
From: Lesley
Email: None
To: Kelly
Subject: Dear Lord, Please bless my porridge
Message:
My guess is he would go nuts, simply hate them, and would shortly be yelling, 'do your own thinking!'lol
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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 17:38:56 (GMT)
From: Brian
Email: brian@ex-premie.org
To: Everyone
Subject: Site statistics
Message:
I've put the current site stats online, omitting any information that might point to specific users.

I have no idea what it all means, other than that the site is being used and that the stat software isn't bullet-proof. I'll update it every so often to reflect the latest month's stats.

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 22:05:02 (GMT)
From: EXiT
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: Site statistics / Can some please explain
Message:
Can some one please explain

A visit is when some one logs on to the site?

And a hit is when someone reads a post ?

Wots all the other stuff then?

and is the above correct

EXiT

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:08:09 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: Site statistics
Message:
Hi Brian,

That's great. Thanks. The numbers seem to have been going up continually, and will probably continue to rise, as more people get online. That's a massive leap from December to January. Maybe lots of premies got pcs for Christmas. The rise in hits on the forum seems to be proportional to the decline in cult membership and donations. There appear to be a large number of premies thinking things over at the moment.

Can we show the stats for the whole year?

Anth the elan vital statistic

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 23:04:29 (GMT)
From: Brian
Email: brian@ex-premie.org
To: AJW
Subject: Site statistics
Message:
Can we show the stats for the whole year?

These are the stats generated by the new server, but I have the stats saved from the old server. I'll put something together.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 10:34:02 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: Thanks Brian.
Message:
I echo Sir Dave's compliment above.

Did you notice that the monthly totals and daily averages don't quite match?

Anth the Mental Arithmetic Teacher

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:18:00 (GMT)
From: Patrick Conlon
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Site statistics
Message:
Approx 300 visitors generated 3,000 hits in Dec 2000 per day.

And 328 visitors generated 5,000 in Jan 2001.

So about 30 new exes made 2,000 hits = 70 hits per new ex versus 10 hits per old ex.

Jesus, I didn't know Thelma was that prolific.

Which part of you is most ticklish, Anth, and do you wet your pants when tickled? I can't wait to tickle your fancy.

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:41:34 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Patrick Conlon
Subject: Look again Patrick.
Message:
Just to prove you can do anything with statistics-

Monthly total for December 2000 1476

Monthly total for January 2001 5911

That's the biggest monthly jump since the forum started.

maybe the computer's not so great at division.

and to answer one of your questions, I don't need to be tickled to piss my pants- just turn a tap on, or start reciting the 'Ancient Marine...ooops gotta go

anth in another continent.

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:54:50 (GMT)
From: Patrick Conlon
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Anth, I can't wait to get my statistics on you NT
Message:
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 09:59:26 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Patrick Conlon
Subject: Dot, Help.
Message:
This American South African Irish gay poet foody is chatting me up. I'm going funny. Get the fishnet stockings and the Marmite out quick.

Anth the Aaaaah that's better.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 19:29:23 (GMT)
From: Patrick Conlon
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: See, Anth, you are a snookie NT
Message:
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Date: Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 10:37:47 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Patrick Conlon
Subject: ...and you're a tease.
Message:
Dot, he won't tell me what a snookie is.

Anth who likes to put on a metal helmet and combat jacket, and have sex with platic tanks. (Toys have feelings too you know. And they never let you down.)

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 18:36:16 (GMT)
From: Ways
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: Site statistics
Message:
The big jump in Jan. 2001 - it was the news of the blonds that did it.
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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 18:43:01 (GMT)
From: gErRy
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: What about the graph for 'lentils consumed?' nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:10:39 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: gErRy
Subject: We cooked it with some spices and ate it (nt)
Message:
burp
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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 18:44:21 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: gErRy
Subject: Read yer email, goofy guy -nt
Message:
xxxx
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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 17:36:40 (GMT)
From: Sandy
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Where the people really felt connected in love
Message:
In my life, two places stick out in my memory where the people involved really seemed to be creating and cooperating with a vibration of love and good will that was tangible and not totally dependent upon the leader.

The two places were the Farm in Tennessee that was started up by Stephen Gaskin and some of his friends, and the Grateful Dead folks, the Deadheads, wherever they happened to pitch their tents and set up for a music festival.

Were either of those places perfect? Hell no. Were their leaders perfect? Hell no. Did some bad shit go down in those venues? Hell yes. Did everyone who participated embody and mainfest the highest ideals of the group 24/7? Absolutely not.
But was the feeling of genuine love and brother/sisterhood and real caring a predominant feeling alot to most of the time? Yes.

My experience with premies is quite different. I have met some premies who were really saintly. Some gave me money to cross the country. Some felt really good to be around and helped me out just by being there. But in my experience, most premies were not like most Farmers or most Deadheads I knew. In my experience, as a group, premies were much more immature and selfish, more into their own thing and not really interested in their fellow premies if it was going to take much time or energy, more materialistic and worldly. I see this as their attempt to emulate Maharaji, as they perceived him. I am totally turned off when I hear that he doesn't even want to know me or you. I am turned off by alot of things he had said and done.

So herein is the paradox. I felt more human love and caring coming from more people who had no idea what 'Knowledge' was, and felt alot of selfishness and materialism from people who
professed to have the Knowledge of all Knowledges. But there is an underlying unified truth that is beyond the paradox, and that is my destination, however long it takes to arrive at.

So if you want to talk with me, let's not get nasty about how we see things or express ourselves. Let's keep the conversation peaceful, no matter how stormy the subject that we are discussing may be. Otherwise, if you just post some sort of graffitti to slam me, forgive me if I don't respond...trying to quit that, y'know.

Sandy

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 23:06:13 (GMT)
From: kap
Email: None
To: Sandy
Subject: no brotherly love
Message:
yes i never saw any brotherly love from the premzies.even on this site I tried to show love for these people, give them a place to retire in their old age at the friendship ranch. because i know many lost lot of money to rawat .I had concerns for their well being. how did these sociopaths react ?with cruel and hatefull posts . so self centered they were not even able to understand kindness. they followed rawat because he gave them a chance to worship their own nasal drip. They followed him because he acts as they think .aloff haughty,distainfull,stuck up ,self centered,cruel,petty,nit picking,money whorshippers.thank you rawat for fucking these ass holes up. the saying is you cannot cheat an honest man.rawat really suckered you lot up the ass.ha ha ha !
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 06:22:20 (GMT)
From: Fact
Email: None
To: kap
Subject: Kap, what is wrong?
Message:
What is up friendly person?

Why you want to laugh at us? Some us got hurt and used bad by rawat and his troop. Why do you chose to be cruel to us? Why do you come here anyway? I don't get always the intentions of your posts. I think you have a complex. A bugging complex. Were you a bumble bee in other life?

Why kap? Why us? Let us alone. Many of us enjoy saying rawat sucks and we have the right to say it, you know?

RAWAT IS AN IMPOSTOR
RAWAT IS AN ASS
ONE MORE THAT DEFFENDS HIM
ONE MORE FROM THE PAST
ONE MORE THAN FEEL DIFFERENT
STUCKED UP ON HIS OWN KRAP
IS NOT CALLED MAHARAJI
IS SIMPLY CALLED, KAP

HE TALKS BUT SAYS NOTHING
HE SAYS HE IS OUR FRIEND
HE DOESN'T KNOW FRIEND'S MEANIN
HE MAY as well NEED DEPENDS Too old?

WE ARE NO KIDS, NO DARLING
WHY DON'T LEAVE US ALONE
YOUR SLIP IS SHOWING, A WARNING
BIG AS FULL MOON

YOU BETTER START THINKING REAL
IF YOU WANT TO STAY OUT OF THE CULT
YOU SOUND LIKE A PREMIE PAL
COMMON, BURST THE BALLON

LEAVE HIM MY DARLING, BRAKE THE VAULT
OTHERWISE, SHUT THE FUCK UP
AND JUST HIT THE ROAD

I just had to do taht. I left once more TODAY from a place for my own good. It's easy when you respect yourself, enough.

What is your deal, premie plant? Just buzz?

I agree with Jim. Maybe you need to see a shrink. You sound evil. Did you know taht?

It must be the rawat syndrome. In the name of love let me evil, captain...pathetic.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 14:50:11 (GMT)
From: kap
Email: None
To: Fact
Subject: Kap, what is wrong? nuting
Message:
say now thats a nice poem.yes what happens now that we have laughed at each other and abused each other and told others they are crazy.i really wanted to send you all love but look at how you attacked me and worse deleted me .Deleting someones post is so undemocratic it shows just how phycoloically devoted to rawat the admin lady is and many of you also. but Kap will save you .never fear.i will reach into your minds like a egyptian embalmer reaches into the nostile with a hook and pulls out the brain so he can embalm the corps. that is how i will reach into the mind of you mental criples and make you let go of your brainwashed loyalty to rawat.Bad admin lady for deleting me bad, bad ,bad ,spank spank spank.I can write poems also. Oh admin Lady, dont be shady .kap is here, just drink your beer,Nothing to fear my dear, dont be threatened ,please post your rules ,we are not fools . deleting me is such wee wee.
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 00:07:05 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: kap
Subject: You really can't see it, can you, kap?
Message:
Kap,

You really do sadden me somewhat. Why? Because I think you're actually sincere about all you're saying here and that you're truly dumbfounded as to why people don't take you seriously. That's too bad. Too bad because, like I say, I think you're actually trying (unlike 'good guys' like Sandy who, as more and more people are starting to realize, is just a time-waster).

Kap, you've come here with two radical offerings: one, this ex-premie 'retirement ranch' which no one seems to understand, need or be interested in, at least not as you've presented it; and two, your bizarre stories of supernatural ninja mahatma murderers and the like. Why would you expect people to take you seriously? Im' sorry, if you don't have the ability to step back a bit and see the problem then you really DO have a psychological problem, I'd imagine. Tell me truthfully, do you have a history of mental illness? What? When?

You need to establish some better ties with people here, some better presence so people have a feel for who you are, before anyone's going to want to have lunch with you, let alone retire in the middle of nowhere. Ot before people will take you seriously when you start telling those stories.

Good luck!

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 23:16:40 (GMT)
From: Forum Admin
Email: None
To: kap
Subject: Still allowing you to post
Message:
Kap,

You're still allowed to post because I'm giving you the chance to try to debate with other people here. You know - conversation, interaction, human life.

So Kap, are you up for it, or will these posts disappear?

Forum Admin.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 14:23:58 (GMT)
From: kap
Email: None
To: Forum Admin
Subject: Still allowing you to post
Message:
actually i know deep in your heart you know im right and rawat is capable of violence and even murder ,but it just makes you feel that much more foolish for folowing him all these years.thats why the hostility toward me on this forum. you are trying to kill the messanger who brings the bad news.I sorry if i called you all bad names .you must understand! i never expected to be attacked for revealing what happened to me on a forum i thought was anti rawat .you all can gain insites into yourself .when i tell you many of you are still infatuated with him on a deep brainwashed subconsciuos level.That is why you attack me and delete me .i can see this plainly .if you would save my posts and not delete them years from now when you look back and reread them .you would realize that i was trying to help you brak you subconsciuos loyalty and deep commitement to rawat.
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 00:19:56 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Forum Admin
Subject: Keep Kap; Ship Sheep nt
Message:
my vote
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 15:01:06 (GMT)
From: kap
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Keep Kap; Ship Sheep nt
Message:
Thanks Gerry in the good old days stand up folks like sir david and rogeredrek would have defended my right to converse without consorship and being deleted.the admin here is overly sensitive.im sure she secretly loves rawat.
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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 18:45:25 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: kap
Subject: Why won't you ever answer me, kap?
Message:
I've tried to talk with you several times but you ignore me. Why?
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Date: Sun, Jan 28, 2001 at 01:44:14 (GMT)
From: kap
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Why won't you ever answer me, kap?
Message:
I believe you have suggested im mentally ill.i find that rather insulting.
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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:00:06 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Sandy
Subject: Sandy, you're such a hippy.
Message:
You make me feel like a twisted old breadhead straight who's over 30.

That's funny, because in this modern-electrically-wired-information-super-highway-while-looking-in-the-rearview-mirror-fancy-computer-fandango-society, I'm the one who usually feels like a hippy.

Anyway, I'll take you up on your invitation to chat Sandy, and ask you a couple of questions. Probably everyone who reads and posts on this site is moving away from being a Premie and following Maharaji. We're all at different stages and places, but we're all moving away from him, both in our thoughts and beliefs, and in physical ways, such as cancelling standing orders, or no longer showing up to the latest video by satellite.

So, here's my question- where are we going? Where are we headed? I've noticed a change in my attitude to Maharaji in the two and a half years since I quit, accelerated by Michael's revealations. The further out of the cult I get, the worse Maharaji seems, both as a human being and in his role as leader of a religious cult.

Whaddya think Sandy?

Love Peace Good Vibes Cool Sounds Groovy Chics Hip Guys Free Everything Good Weed Move Away From the Towers and Watch Out For the Brown Acid Anth man cool whatever where's me shoes?

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 19:25:49 (GMT)
From: Sandy
Email: None
To: All
Subject: In fairness...
Message:
I was like the Samaritan on the road and two premies saved me on two different occasions, gotta give credit where due:

When I first got to Miami, the community coordinator allowed me to sleep for a number of nights in the ashram vehicle, a silver gray Malibu Classic, until I got my act together, which happened shortly after. But he was there for me, and as I understand it, he was going against the word of the local intructor. God bless that guy for giving me shelter! He was the channel for unconditional love to me, giving me a place to lay my body down without judging me or my situation. That's the love of God.

Some years later, I was in between jobs and short on money. The premie who managed the local food store lent me the money which I paid back very soon. But he was there for me, too. And God bless him too, for helping me when I was in need. He too was a channel for the unconditional love of God, which accepted me without judgement or ridicule and filled a basic need to help me carry on. That's the love of God.

I think these particular individuals would have acted as they did whether or not they had Knowledge. And the ones who acted and still act like assholes would probably be assholes either way too. That is the rub, I thought that enlightenment was going to clear up people's fucked up ways and fix them, not just give us a light and sound show with refreshments under the blanket, so there would be no nobdy acting like an asshole and getting away with it in heaven.

Premies really don't exist and neither do ex-premies. Who does exist is Sandy and Tim and Patrick and Jim and Djuro and Susan and Marianne and gerry and Turner and Michael and each one of us. That's who we need to connect with, not a shapeless nameless mass of people bigotedly lumped together by association. It's too easy to slip into group think and group hate that way. It's harder but more rewarding in the long run to work on relationships one-on-one.

Sandy

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 00:10:49 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Sandy
Subject: More empty word games (yawn .....)
Message:
Premies really don't exist and neither do ex-premies.

You're doing this kind of shit more than ever. Looks like you're trying to rob the world of meaning. And why? Just so you can have enough room for your confusion in all of its glory. That's a very unimpressive approach to life, to say the least.

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:03:27 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Sandy
Subject: In fairness...
Message:
In fairness, Sandy, what do you make of Tagore when he says this:

Page 31 of Gitanjali

'Prisoner, tell me, who was it that
bound you?'

'It was my master,' said the prisoner.
'I thought I could outdo everybody in
the world in wealth and power, and I
amassed in my own treasure-house the
money due to my king. When sleep
overcame me I lay upon the bed that
was for my lord, and on waking up I
found I was a prisoner in my own treasure-house.'

'Prisoner, tell me who was it that
wrought this unbreakable chain?'

'It was I,' said the prisoner, 'who
forged this chain very carefully. I
thought my invincible power would
hold the world captive leaving me in a freedom undisturbed.

Thus night and day I worked at the chain with huge
fires and cruel hard strokes. When at
last the work was done and links
were complete and unbreakable, I
found that it held me in its grip.'

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:08:58 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: sandy
Subject: I forgot to add- Who has Maharaji made HIS master?
Message:
... if not the power of the almighty dollar?
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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:21:07 (GMT)
From: Patrick Conlon
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: I forgot to add- Who has Maharaji made HIS master?
Message:
No, he has a plaster painted life-like and life-size statue of his dead dad in the backyard near the garage.
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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:33:45 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Patrick Conlon
Subject: Ah, so THAT's what he'd like people to believe?(nt
Message:
fds
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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 18:10:54 (GMT)
From: Tim G
Email: timgitti@indigo.ie
To: Sandy
Subject: Where the people really felt connected in love
Message:
Hi Sandy just typed a long reply to your subject for debate and lost the whole thing when I went to post it. If you like I can send it by e-mail if you send me your address.
The gist of the discussion could be , to paraphrase Rabindranath Tagore, 'Man is good ,Men are evil'
Greetings
Tim
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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 18:21:06 (GMT)
From: Tim G
Email: Same
To: Sandy
Subject: Where the people really felt connected in love
Message:
Hi Sandy Correction...I lost the whole bunch of words/crap?...Lets keep the debate rolling. In short, Groups of people can create an incredibly positive togetherness but it can also be based on exclusivity. Also people will do things in 'uniform' that they would never do when governed by their own consciousness. Maybe the challenge is to find loving kindness in oneself. Then it could travel wherever we go. BUT to do that we have to start from where we are and not let theories be our guide...i.e.face our loneliness, anger, joy, whatever and proceed from a point of reality not cloud cuckoo land.
Greetings and thanx
Tim
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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 18:29:27 (GMT)
From: Sandy
Email: None
To: Tim G
Subject: Charles Shultz and Linus' quote
Message:
Linus must have read Tagore:

'I love mankind, it's people I can't stand'.

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 18:16:43 (GMT)
From: Sandy
Email: mcpass1@earthlink.net
To: Tim G
Subject: Where the people really felt connected in love
Message:
Tim,

Please send it to my e-mail which is in the from-to area above.
I really like Tagore, and have an autographed antique sepia photo of him I found in an old antique shop on my wall. I'd be interested in anything he has to say. Thanks.

Sandy

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 18:26:39 (GMT)
From: gErRy
Email: None
To: Sandy
Subject: Oh Sandy !!! No !!! Really?? An AUTOGRAPHED SEPIA
Message:
Well I hate to be vulgar but when I read that, I just about shot my load !!! A real autograhed sepia of a real Past Perfect Master???

Oh gawd, I'm not rich but if you ever need some money...

P.S. You have an old antique shop on your wall? How curious!! But then many are the mysteries of the divine world of Nollidge.

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 19:33:13 (GMT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: gErRy
Subject: ROFL!!!
Message:
P.S. You have an old antique shop on your wall? How curious!! But then many are the mysteries of the divine world of Nollidge.

Thanks Gerry, Now I can't get this image of Sandy having an old antiquue shop on his wall out of my mind:-)

Love it.

John.

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 19:55:02 (GMT)
From: Tim G
Email: usual
To: all
Subject: On my wall!
Message:
I have :
A complete antique shop
A faggy poet called Tagore
Mirror Mirror
Another Brick
Linus in an antiqued gold frame
Mata-Ji's Lotus Slippers
A rubber rose from Durga Ji's bathing cap
Enough ammunition for a very naff poem
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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 19:59:13 (GMT)
From: Patrick Conlon
Email: None
To: Tim G
Subject: Ten divine tchochkes hanging on my wall!
Message:
Or do you have a better tune to go with the lyrics?
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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:21:05 (GMT)
From: Tim G
Email: usual
To: Patrick Conlon
Subject: Ten divine tchochkes hanging on my wall!
Message:
Sounds good to me.
If only I knew what a tchocke was.
There was a cafe in Hardwar near the Prem Nagar ashram called the Chotti [walla].
Somewhere nearby I managed to orally express Mata-Ji's Prasad offered that evening out of 'her love for all the Western premies'. Never been able to eat honey since.
My old neighbour used to say 'you can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar'
Bottoms Up
Tim
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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 20:23:26 (GMT)
From: Patrick Conlon
Email: None
To: Tim G
Subject: Tim, tchochkes is Yiddish for
Message:
gewgaws and bric-a-brac, useless baubles. And Joy told me you would know how to put a tune to it.
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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 18:56:10 (GMT)
From: Patrick Conlon
Email: None
To: gErRy
Subject: Tagore not a Master just a faggy poet NT
Message:
t
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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 18:35:42 (GMT)
From: Sandy
Email: None
To: gErRy
Subject: Yep, framed, glass and everything!
Message:
Speaking of making fun of badly constructed grammar:

A guy walks into his shrink's office wrapped completely in plastic wrap.

His shrink says: 'I can clearly see your (you're) nuts.'

Or the newspaper report of a shooting:

'The woman was shot and the bullet is in her yet.'

I looked through every medical book I could find and could not find where a woman's yet is located.

Had enough with the snipes at grammar and all that fluff?

I mean, look at your CaPiTaLiZaTiOn, for Christ's sakes!!!!

What a hippokrit.

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Date: Sat, Jan 27, 2001 at 07:03:32 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Sandy
Subject: hm. musta been his shrink wrap/rap....nt
Message:
eh?
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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 14:48:53 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Bloody best direction to The Rock I've found so fa
Message:
from the Australian Society for Limnology

Where the hell is Amaroo

Oh yeah and don't forget to contact them too and tell them what a bunch of suckers they were.

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 17:06:04 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: gerry, you there? ELK answered
Message:
us as to why they were offline.

the plan of mice and men

they have a neat fukking trick to eliminate direct addressing, so you got to enter the site and click on above.

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 17:20:44 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Salam, you missed this one: (and Gerry)
Message:
You missed this one Salam:

Down but not out: caught in the Web

Enjoyinglife has been down since 10 January - the longest disruption in nearly two and half years.

The reason for this is not insolvency - although we have recently sent out a fund-raising email to regular visitors to the site.

We are victims - again - of the incredible convoluted bureaucracy surrounding the Internet. We have changed ISPs once for reasons of economy, but during that time both ISPs changed their backbone providers several times - due to a variety of reasons. (Backbone providers are companies which provide leased telecoms lines for use on the Internet.)

If you imagine this site's relationship with the Internet as a family tree, instead of having one generation of parents, we now look as if we have great-great-great-great-grandparents. The family analogy goes on, as for no reason in particular everyone wants to hang on to what is in their possession although it is of absolutely no use to them. Quite simply, no one will release our domain name without permission from another party. We now have three organisations who will not respond to our requests to release the name.

In the UK, at least, this is not an uncommon complaint.

Sooner or later, someone will relent and we will be more in control of our own destiny.

(And yes, to your question below, this weekend, as I promised. Did a bit last night.)

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 17:11:48 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Do tell salam
Message:
I refuse to go over there. Pretty please tell us what they said.

Marianne

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 17:24:02 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Here you go, Marianne: 'The plans of mice and men'
Message:
The plans of mice and men

Well, we are not feeling quite so bad about being off-line for more than a week, now that whole chunks of California have been blacked-out with power failure. Such are the plans of mice and men!

For those of you who might be wondering: do any of us have shares in Biz-Web? The answer is No.

We are all systems go to wrest control of our domain name from the hands of those who are completely indifferent to whether the site is accessible or not. We have seven months before our next set of annual fees are due again, so wish us luck.

If you still know people who are not able to access the site, its actual address on the web is:

213.219.28.148/enjoylife/knowledge.nsf

You can type this directly into your browser to locate the site.

The delay in the site coming back, by using the domain name, is due to 'DNS cache-ing' which is the updating of the signposting in all the servers that comprise the Internet. This process takes between one to five days. So the site should be viewable globally by tomorrow latest.

If you feel like sending us a message that you can now see the site again, we would appreciate it.

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 17:23:50 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: There u go
Message:
The plans of mice and men
Well, we are not feeling quite so bad about being off-line for more than a week, now that whole chunks of California have been blacked-out with power failure. Such are the plans of mice and men!
For those of you who might be wondering: do any of us have shares in Biz-Web? The answer is No.
We are all systems go to wrest control of our domain name from the hands of those who are completely indifferent to whether the site is accessible or not. We have seven months before our next set of annual fees are due again, so wish us luck.
If you still know people who are not able to access the site, its actual address on the web is:
213.219.28.148/enjoylife/knowledge.nsf
You can type this directly into your browser to locate the site.
The delay in the site coming back, by using the domain name, is due to 'DNS cache-ing' which is the updating of the signposting in all the servers that comprise the Internet. This process takes between one to five days. So the site should be viewable globally by tomorrow latest.
If you feel like sending us a message that you can now see the site again, we would appreciate it.

Down but not out: caught in the Web
Enjoyinglife has been down since 10 January - the longest disruption in nearly two and half years.
The reason for this is not insolvency - although we have recently sent out a fund-raising email to regular visitors to the site.
We are victims - again - of the incredible convoluted bureaucracy surrounding the Internet. We have changed ISPs once for reasons of economy, but during that time both ISPs changed their backbone providers several times - due to a variety of reasons. (Backbone providers are companies which provide leased telecoms lines for use on the Internet.)
If you imagine this site's relationship with the Internet as a family tree, instead of having one generation of parents, we now look as if we have great-great-great-great-grandparents. The family analogy goes on, as for no reason in particular everyone wants to hang on to what is in their possession although it is of absolutely no use to them. Quite simply, no one will release our domain name without permission from another party. We now have three organisations who will not respond to our requests to release the name.
In the UK, at least, this is not an uncommon complaint.
Sooner or later, someone will relent and we will be more in control of our own destiny.

Looks like someone is short on money and being pushed around by the isps. Maybe I should offer to help them?


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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 17:22:13 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: I'm here, Salam and Hi Marianne
Message:
I saw something about The Filament in Oz and was directed to goober's toilet bowl for more details. Nasty place, that.

But I didn't see what you are talking about. I'll look again....

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 17:53:51 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: delores@gofree.indigo.ie
To: gerry
Subject: We're sending the ex-premie limo to Heathrow for u
Message:
Yes, geRrY, we've arranged for the ex-premie limo to pick up you and Patty at Heathrow on March 10 and whisk you to the party wing at Harrod's. We've rented it for our soiree! Be sure to bring your tux. The event is being catered by men dressed in saffron robes. There will be a tub of dirty bathwater to make us all feel right at home.

Don't forget your barragon. At the end of the night, we're going to have a contest which involves that item. You don't want to be left out!

Love, Marianne

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 18:05:24 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Can we land a Gulfstream at Heathrow ?
Message:
The Filament has offered me a lift and has promised to take a breathalizer before he grabs the wheel.

And oh jeez, I left my baragon by the side of the garage at the ashram on Squirrel Hill. I wonder if The Filameent would mind stopping in Pittsburg...

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Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 14:32:43 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Sacred root of sustanable design
Message:
was awakened here at Ivory's Rock this morning at first light by the most incredible sounds, and spent one of the most delightful hours of my life from first light to dawn, listening to the birds. The sense of space, silence, and a wonderful emptiness was utterly unique in music I've heard. It's a music
which listens. Nowhere else have I ever heard birds wait until noone else is singing - until silence has again deepened - to begin their song. One bird's song would go out, and then fade into the silence. And then another songwould come back from afar. I was mesmerized! So, Peter and the other conference oganizers, thank you for making this possible.

Tom Bender

If only he new what is lurcking in Ivory's Rock, I wonder what other inspirations he would have had?

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