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Jim -:- Phantoms in the Brain: Probing the Mysteries of th -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 04:29:22 (GMT)
__ Jerry -:- Phantoms in the Brain: Probing the Mysteries of th -:- Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 02:02:45 (GMT)
__ __ hamzen -:- And fascinating -:- Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 10:59:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ G -:- synesthesia -:- Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 22:48:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ hamzen -:- Nice links as usual G, now all I need is some time -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 19:43:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ G -:- New Scientist - I've heard the name but -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 23:31:33 (GMT)

infinity trade -:- It worked for me -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 23:07:59 (GMT)
__ Hal -:- Break free!!! -:- Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 18:27:09 (GMT)
__ Runamok -:- It works for me but.. -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 05:15:54 (GMT)
__ __ Sid Arthur -:- Followers never make it !! You're trapped!! (nt) -:- Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 18:22:16 (GMT)
__ Jimmy Fitz -:- Flashback - We've heard from this guy before -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 02:58:57 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- So what's it like to be God-realized? -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 01:38:02 (GMT)
__ bb -:- as if....... -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 01:37:21 (GMT)
__ __ SB -:- as if.......hahahahaha Good post!! (nt) -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 02:13:02 (GMT)
__ __ Fully Mature Ram -:- as if you don't know ....... -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 01:52:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ bb -:- butt..... -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 02:02:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Dream-Time -:- And their off.... -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 09:11:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ bb -:- but it matters.. -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 13:45:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Dream Time -:- You're confusing me. -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 15:33:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jerry -:- You're confusing me. -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 20:30:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- You're confusing me. -:- Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 14:35:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mr Bubblehead -:- Can Mr Bubblehead come too?....nt -:- Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 19:51:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Can Mr Bubblehead come too?....nt -:- Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 04:41:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mr Bubblehead -:- Can Mr Bubblehead come too?....nt -:- Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 10:11:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Dream-Time -:- I'm just a bubblehead, so be nice to me. -:- Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 02:37:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Monty Python -:- I'm just a bubblehead, so be nice to me. But, why? -:- Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 17:29:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mr Bubblehead -:- Mr Bubblehead visits the Dark Side of the Moon -:- Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 00:29:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Monty Python -:- Mr Bubblehead visits the Dark Side of the Moon -:- Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 15:05:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mr Bubblehead -:- Mr Bubblehead visits the Dark Side of the Moon -:- Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 07:58:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- Ho Ha Ho Nice story Bubbles ! nt -:- Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 09:31:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ bb -:- thats but natural! -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 18:56:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Dream-Time -:- thats but natural! -:- Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 02:47:22 (GMT)
__ JHB -:- It worked for me -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 23:18:34 (GMT)
__ __ Daneane -:- What is more expensive? -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 23:47:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ Oliver -:- What is more expensive? -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 23:52:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Helen -:- What is more expensive? -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 02:19:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ SB -:- OT Helen..... -:- Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 13:48:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- OT Helen..... -:- Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 14:28:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- OT Helen.....OK-nt -:- Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 14:36:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Daneane -:- Truly frightening.(nt) -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 02:22:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Way -:- To:infinity trade -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 18:09:00 (GMT)

cq -:- 'The consistency of Maharaji' -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 17:53:17 (GMT)
__ Mike -:- But, He IS consistent -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 21:11:31 (GMT)
__ Angry -:- Is that like a bowlful of jelly? (NT) -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 20:05:42 (GMT)
__ Loaf -:- Its Lard....(nt) -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 19:16:51 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- or ma ha...ha...maha..haaa..ha...maha..jarine!(nt) -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 19:19:54 (GMT)
__ Dave -:- 'The consistency of Maharaji' is rather like -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 18:31:06 (GMT)
__ __ Rob -:- Pass the Ketchup -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 23:34:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ Mike -:- This guy should read newspaper astrology -:- Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 19:56:57 (GMT)
__ Gregg -:- 'The consistency of Maharaji' -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 18:29:45 (GMT)

Robyn -:- Jean-Michel comes to the East Coast of America -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 15:12:09 (GMT)
__ Katie -:- Jean-Michel K Review schedule -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 11:20:29 (GMT)
__ __ Scott T. -:- Jean-Michel K Review schedule -:- Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 04:11:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ Katie -:- Jean-Michel K Review schedule -:- Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 13:37:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Scott T. -:- Jean-Michel K Review schedule -:- Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 14:14:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Jean-Michel K Review schedule -:- Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 14:31:38 (GMT)
__ Jean-Michel -:- I`ve checked the vodka -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 21:59:39 (GMT)
__ __ AJW -:- Better get back to Paris -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 12:26:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- Better get back to Paris: no way! -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 14:08:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ AJW -:- Who will feed the cat? (nt) -:- Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 17:12:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- My cat? And my parrakeets (Lala and Dipsy)? -:- Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 00:45:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Who will feed the cat? (nt) -:- Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 23:06:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ SB -:- Better get back to Paris -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 13:53:22 (GMT)
__ __ bb -:- Where the heck are you? (nt) -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 01:41:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ Robyn -:- Where the heck are you? (nt) -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 01:56:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ bb -:- Where the heck are you? (nt) -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 03:26:27 (GMT)
__ __ Robyn -:- I`ve checked the vodka -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 01:34:25 (GMT)
__ Latvi-wannabe -:- Jean-Michel comes to the East Coast of America -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 19:54:29 (GMT)
__ __ Robyn -:- Jean-Michel comes to the East Coast of America -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 21:55:43 (GMT)
__ SB -:- Jean-Michel comes to the East Coast of America -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 15:25:55 (GMT)
__ __ Robyn -:- Jean-Michel comes to the East Coast of America -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 16:33:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ Helen -:- Jean-Michel comes to the East Coast of America -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 20:41:48 (GMT)

Dave -:- I edited that post for you -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 09:51:08 (GMT)
__ Joey -:- I edited that post for you -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 10:48:05 (GMT)
__ __ Dave -:- I edited that post for you - no mystery -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 10:57:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ Joey -:- I edited that post for you - no mystery -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 11:01:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Joey -:- I edited that post for you - no mystery -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 11:05:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Forum Administrator -:- I edited that post for you - no mystery -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 14:56:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Joey -:- I edited that post for you - no mystery -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 21:05:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Forum Administrator -:- Persistant offenders are banned. -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 08:24:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Runamok -:- I did request it's removal. -:- Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 05:11:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry from mccleary -:- I did request it's removal. -:- Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 17:29:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Runamok -:- PS -:- Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 05:26:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Dave -:- I rule the world, I think -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 18:28:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Depends on how little you know: -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 19:01:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Amphetamine Reptile -:- Wide awake at 3 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 21:37:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ The Dept of Mental Health -:- Wide awake at 3 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 09:36:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Phil -:- Wide awake at 3 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time -:- Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 06:30:27 (GMT)

JW -:- Charles Dickens (ot) -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 00:43:15 (GMT)
__ Anon -:- Charles Dickens (ot) -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 12:34:04 (GMT)
__ __ JW -:- Charles Dickens (ot) -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 04:55:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ Katie -:- Charles Dickens (ot) -:- Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 22:14:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ JW -:- Bleak House -:- Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 14:35:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Bleak House -:- Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 16:12:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ Stonor -:- Charles Dickens and C.S. Lewis? -:- Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 01:12:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Anon -:- Charles Dickens and C.S. Lewis? -:- Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 11:52:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Hoped someone would pick up on that one! (nt) -:- Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 12:12:48 (GMT)
__ __ Monmot -:- History of Private Life (ot) -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 15:08:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ Anon -:- History of Private Life (ot) -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 17:12:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Monmot -:- History of Private Life (ot) -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 17:21:09 (GMT)
__ Dave -:- Charles Dickens (ot) -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 09:25:23 (GMT)
__ chit chat -:- Charles Dickens (ot) -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 03:29:10 (GMT)
__ __ Susan -:- Charles Dickens (ot) -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 17:35:48 (GMT)
__ Helen -:- Book chat -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 01:25:49 (GMT)
__ __ sigh -:- to put a fine point on it -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 06:38:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ Mrs Gumidge -:- 'I feel it more than other people' -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 18:35:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Helen -:- 'I feel it more than other people' -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 20:36:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Mrs Gummidge -:- 'I feel it more than other people' -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 03:30:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Mrs. Haversham -:- 'I feel it more than other people' -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 21:13:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Uriah Heep -:- 'I feel it more than other people' -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 22:33:35 (GMT)

A.P. -:- Event confirmation -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 20:50:46 (GMT)
__ Daneane -:- Banned -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 23:53:02 (GMT)
__ __ A.P. -:- Banned -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 11:21:07 (GMT)
__ __ The Illuminadi -:- Miss Obvious -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 09:48:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ Daneane -:- Duuuuhhhh -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 13:07:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ The Illuminadi -:- Come on Elwood wer'e late! -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 23:04:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Daneane -:- Just lucky, I guess.(nt) -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 23:15:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ The Illuminadi -:- Just lucky, I guess.(nt) -:- Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 07:12:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- to the unilluminati -:- Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 09:52:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ The Illuminadi -:- to the unilluminati -:- Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 15:26:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- I get it, you're the Maha , pranam Lord (nt) -:- Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 18:10:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ The Illuminadi -:- I get it, you're the Matrix I'm a puppet !(nt) -:- Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 01:09:15 (GMT)
__ JW -:- Any Exes Planning On Showing UP? -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 21:30:11 (GMT)
__ Daneane -:- A week's notice?? On a Tuesday??(nt) -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 21:00:31 (GMT)
__ __ Jimmy Fitz -:- That's typical, but we'll be there -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 03:24:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ A.P. -:- That's typical, but we'll be there -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 11:27:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Way -:- Re:Miami 4th event -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 14:56:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ SB -:- That's typical, but we'll be there -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 03:12:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ A.P. -:- That's typical, but we'll be there -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 11:14:01 (GMT)

AKA Godard -:- I just came accross a site for devotional music -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 20:24:15 (GMT)
__ slackandsteel -:- I just came accross a site for devotional music -:- Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 22:22:10 (GMT)
__ Mike -:- Yecchhhhhh! -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 22:54:26 (GMT)

AKA Godfather -:- I think I even may have a video left behind by -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 19:12:56 (GMT)

AKA Pope -:- Claire Tremblay -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 19:04:49 (GMT)
__ Angry -:- Claire Tremblay -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 20:18:07 (GMT)
__ __ Joey -:- Claire Tremblay -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 23:02:43 (GMT)

AKA Buster -:- When is the next function in Montréal? -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 19:00:50 (GMT)
__ Joey -:- When is the next function in Montréal? -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 23:37:22 (GMT)

AKA Mind-your-business -:- Jean-Paul Saint-Laurent -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 18:57:36 (GMT)
__ Joey -:- Jean-Paul Saint-Laurent -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 00:02:28 (GMT)

AKA Zézette -:- Amory Leclair -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 18:55:15 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- Sure, he's in Ottawa -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 02:49:51 (GMT)

AKA Jean-Paul -:- Susan Butcher -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 18:53:18 (GMT)
__ Joey -:- Susan Butcher -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 23:45:11 (GMT)
__ JW -:- Didn't She Follow Bal Bahgwan Ji? (nt) -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 23:43:08 (GMT)
__ __ Joey -:- Now come to think about it.... -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 23:50:23 (GMT)

Jim -:- What about this Video project? JM (again)?? -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 15:27:22 (GMT)
__ Daneane -:- Project -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 20:36:49 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- A good copy of LOTU has been found! -:- Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 02:42:21 (GMT)
__ Jean-Michel -:- Hey, I'm not online all the time !!!!!!!! -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 20:34:32 (GMT)
__ Roger eDrek -:- The slit their throats scene and Renee -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 19:53:10 (GMT)
__ AKA The General -:- I got a few 'WHO'S GMJ?' stickers. -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 19:24:45 (GMT)
__ Boris AKA (Also known as) -:- What about this Video project? JM (again)?? -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 18:45:06 (GMT)
__ __ Jean-Michel -:- What about this Video project? JM (again)?? -:- Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 00:03:48 (GMT)
__ JHB -:- GOD is a MUST! -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 16:27:11 (GMT)
__ __ AKA skeptic -:- GOD is a MUST! -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 19:17:24 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- Wasn't that on last year's Channel 4 documentary? -:- Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 19:14:29 (GMT)


Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 04:29:22 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Phantoms in the Brain: Probing the Mysteries of th
Message:
Phantoms in the Brain:
Probing the Mysteries of the Human Mind

by V. S. Ramachandran, Sandra Blakeslee
Paperback - 352 pages (September 1999), Quill

Some Related Links:

Edge.org : Vilayanur Ramachandran
UCSD School of Medicine
UCSD Graduate Program in Neurosciences
UCSD Graduate Program in Neurosciences: Vilayanur Ramachandran homepage
Book Description
Neuroscientist V.S. Ramachandran is internationally renowned for uncovering answers to the deep and quirky questions of human nature that few scientists have dared to address. His bold insights about the brain are matched only by the stunning simplicity of his experiments -- using such low-tech tools as cotton swabs, glasses of water and dime-store mirrors. In Phantoms in the Brain, Dr. Ramachandran recounts how his work with patients who have bizarre neurological disorders has shed new light on the deep architecture of the brain, and what these findings tell us about who we are, how we construct our body image, why we laugh or become depressed, why we may believe in God, how we make decisions, deceive ourselves and dream, perhaps even why we're so clever at philosophy, music and art. Some of his most notable cases:

* A woman paralyzed on the left side of her body who believes she is lifting a tray of drinks with both hands offers a unique opportunity to test Freud's theory of denial.

* A woman who hallucinates cartoon characters illustrates how, in a sense, we are all hallucinating, all the time.

Dr. Ramachandran's inspired medical detective work pushes the boundaries of medicine's last great frontier -- the human mind -- yielding new and provocative insights into the 'big questions' about consciousness and the self.

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Date: Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 02:02:45 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Phantoms in the Brain: Probing the Mysteries of th
Message:
I almost bought this book about a year ago, when it first came out. Instead, I just read the chapter on experiences of God while I was in the bookstore. If I remember correctly, the focus was on epileptics who feel the presense of God during a seizure. Interestingly, what's happenning in their brains, during their experience/seizure, is unusual activity in the temporal lobes. It's interesting how those temporal lobes always seem to get in the picture when people are seeing God.

There's several books out on the subject of what changes when different parts of the brain are damaged or hyperactive in some capacity. There's Antonio DiMassios 'Descartes Error', which is a study of what happens to a person's ability to reason when their emotional centers have been damaged. It includes an indepth telling of the famous Phineas Gage incident, a rail worker who had a three foot iron pipe go right through his brain on the left side (or right side, I can't remember). Needless to say he wasn't the same man as he was before the incident. He remained just as intelligent, but became much more cunning, sinister, and immoral after the incident.

But the most notorious book in this area is probably Oliver Sach's 'The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat'. Yes, as the title says, there actually was a fellow who's brain didn't pick up visual cues very well, and literally reached over to his wife's head to grab it thinking it was a hat. The book is loaded with fascinating and bizarre stories of what can become of us if our brains are damaged, or an imbalance of neurotransmitters is present. It's pretty wild how conditional 'reality' is to the state our brains are in.

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Date: Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 10:59:58 (GMT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: And fascinating
Message:
'It's pretty wild how conditional 'reality' is to the state our brains are in.'

Careful Jerry, that's a bit of a maturana/constructivist position you're taking there! :)

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Date: Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 22:48:59 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: hamzen
Subject: synesthesia
Message:
Synesthesia is also interesting.

'Synesthesia is an involuntary joining in which the real information of one sense is accompanied by a perception in another sense.'
from MIT's synesthesia web site

synesthesia links

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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 19:43:24 (GMT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: G
Subject: Nice links as usual G, now all I need is some time
Message:
to read 'em all!

Do you get the New Scientist in your area?
Article last week on the possibility of the brain using the quantum level for computational purposes, early days but interesting, also at dna level when cells are duplicating.

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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 23:31:33 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: hamzen
Subject: New Scientist - I've heard the name but
Message:
I'm not familiar with it. It might be in the stores, I don't know.

Are they saying that some quantum stuff might be going on with dna replication?

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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 23:07:59 (GMT)
From: infinity trade
Email: infinity_trade@yahoo.com
To: Everyone
Subject: It worked for me
Message:
I found it worked, the knowlege that is. Got it 28 years ago during a nine year spell of psychosis due to misuse of drugs. used to tear everything to bits too. all that was left eventually was me, and I have been cured for years now and the power of the meditation is part of my life now. sorry if this disappoints anyone.
it makes me happy. I suppose everybody finds themselves one way or another eventually. knock it, tear it down, there is only your own reality, as part of teaming life. That's truelly something.
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Date: Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 18:27:09 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: infinity trade
Subject: Break free!!!
Message:
You went from one addiction to another. From one delusion to another. You're trapped in a tiny personality cult friend, break out and trust yourself to be yourself.

Good luck ,

Hal.

p.s. Have you read the Journeys on this site?

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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 05:15:54 (GMT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: infinity trade
Subject: It works for me but..
Message:
it just works better when I give credit to where credit is due: myself for meditating or doing whatever it takes to get real.

The problem with Rawatt is all the people who have gotten hurt directly as a result of believing his lies and promises which he couldn't or didn't choose to fulfill.

Meditation can help people and the meditation that Rawatt teaches can be a great tool for some. Believing your inner experience is inextricably tied to another is a dangerous choice which many people have paid dearly for having made (except perhaps directed at a spouse who will personally reciprocate).


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Date: Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 18:22:16 (GMT)
From: Sid Arthur
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: Followers never make it !! You're trapped!! (nt)
Message:
sdfghj
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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 02:58:57 (GMT)
From: Jimmy Fitz
Email: None
To: Would prefer a Lexus
Subject: Flashback - We've heard from this guy before
Message:
Why, why, why is Knowledge the only way for people to get off of drugs?

And what kind of drugs? Marijuana or the harder stuff? Is that you, Keith? (no, not Keith Richards or the other Keith.)

Could the psychosis have been as simple as teenage and young adult confusion that often goes away with growing up if one can avoid the Peter Pan syndrome by following their Pied Piper Guru out of town?

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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 01:38:02 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: infinity trade
Subject: So what's it like to be God-realized?
Message:
'Works for me' is a little tepid for the 'Knowledge of all Knowledges', the sacred, secret magic escape route off the Wheel of Karma, the path of Liberation, Truth, Consciousness and Bliss, don't you think?

Nice to see it helped you stopped smoking, though.

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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 01:37:21 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: infinity trade
Subject: as if.......
Message:
As if growing in life had to happen with a demented guru and a 4 part meditation.

Tell us, what did you see on the back of your eyelids that tops looking at a tree or anything else.
What did you hear that is so much more enlightening by avoiding all the sounds that are available here on earth for you and plugging your ears to listen to WHAT?

You think no one knows about the freakin breath?
If the great 'worked for me' was real, then SMOKERS would have gotten there as well with all thier concentrating on thier breath.

And NECTAR??????????
The world has some REAL good drinks. Try a fresh squeezed oj every day.

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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 02:13:02 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: bb
Subject: as if.......hahahahaha Good post!! (nt)
Message:
Great!!
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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 01:52:35 (GMT)
From: Fully Mature Ram
Email: None
To: bb
Subject: as if you don't know .......
Message:
In the spring...the flowers come. And so we see with each passing year, more light, more love, more permanent peace, more pemanent happiness, a sort of internal LSD...and there is a natural Graditude which flows from Understanding....And the Opportunity to Learn... from a Living Master...Inspired by His Words...To breath, to Appreciate, to Enjoy this Simplicity and to express Graditude for Him whom connected thee.
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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 02:02:23 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Fully Mature Ram
Subject: butt.....
Message:
.....connected...only problem is that the breath is not the thing we need to connect with! And with the guru effectively blocking access to what it is we naturally should be connected too.......namely...reality, we are left limping along like some god forsaken cripple like mike dettmers.
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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 09:11:48 (GMT)
From: Dream-Time
Email: None
To: bb
Subject: And their off....
Message:
Look around son, it's a miracle. The air we breathe, the sights we see, the birds the trees, being alive. Who cares how different people get there. Horses for courses Sunshine.
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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 13:45:48 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Dream-Time
Subject: but it matters..
Message:
The guy over in hindia that sees the morning dew and says 'its a miracle son', well, since HIS influence or 'path' comes courtesy of the so called buddha, he treats his wife like a second class life form because that is clearly in the teaching he got.

The muslim that sees the morning as a miracle one day goes home and clobbers one of his wifes because she isnt wearing the hooded tent dress HIS 'path' to the 'miracle' says she should wear.

The examples are endless unfortunately and the guru maharaj ji is right in line with the rest of the tainted 'paths' to the 'miracle, son'.

Tough to break free and see the tyranny and the human idiocy but..........might as well!

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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 15:33:19 (GMT)
From: Dream Time
Email: None
To: bb
Subject: You're confusing me.
Message:
I awoke this morning and saw the sun-rise and it's a miracle, then heard the news that Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck are gay, and thought to myself 'BUMMER'
I awoke this morning and saw the sun-rise and it's a miracle. It is you know. It's just about attitude Sunshine. Got enlightenment from a bowl of breakfast serial. There's answers everywhere. Horses for courses.
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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 20:30:52 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Dream Time
Subject: You're confusing me.
Message:
I awoke this morning and saw the sun-rise and it's a miracle...

Only because we're ignorant of how it REALLY works do we call it a miracle. Other people-- astronomers, cosmologists, physicists, and people who are just dang CURIOUS -- they marvel at the sunrise too, but they ask themselves, 'I wonder how that does that'? They want to KNOW. People like you just want to play dumb and call it a miracle. It's NOT a miracle. There's a REASON why the sun rises. There's a REASON why we marvel at it. Those reason are NOT because it's a miracle. But if you want to remain a bubblehead, void of curiosity, suit yourself. You've certainly chosen the right 'master' for it. He'll have you ooh-ing and ah-ing in ignorance till the day you die, like an idiot.

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Date: Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 14:35:58 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: You're confusing me.
Message:
Jerry,

Would you email me?? Robyn has my address, or write JM....Or you can call us(Robyn has my phone number)

We, JM and I, are going to meet with Helen in WDC...Can you make it there??

SB

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Date: Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 19:51:38 (GMT)
From: Mr Bubblehead
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Can Mr Bubblehead come too?....nt
Message:
,m
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Date: Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 04:41:50 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Mr Bubblehead
Subject: Can Mr Bubblehead come too?....nt
Message:
Dear Mr. Bubblehead,
I've already hurt Rob's feelings and now you want to join in. Can you be here around 6pm tomorrow?
I don't know who Rob is. I wonder who you are,maybe all the alias' will come by, then I'll know who the heck I'm talking too! :)
See you tomorrow. :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 10:11:26 (GMT)
From: Mr Bubblehead
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Can Mr Bubblehead come too?....nt
Message:
Dear Robyn, you are a shining light. I can't really come, as I live on another continent, but it is nice to have been invited ;) Hope you all have a ball.
Bye
Bubbles
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Date: Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 02:37:44 (GMT)
From: Dream-Time
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: I'm just a bubblehead, so be nice to me.
Message:
Take it easy there Jerry before you burst something. Why can't you be a little more like that nice bb chappie? He sends his love and you call me a bubblehead and an idiot. Ahhh, the unfairness of it all. But to give you your due, I guess I could be seen to be an idiot by you and your peers, but I am a happy one, so that's got to count for something hey.
Sure the Sun rises for a reason, and there's a reason for this and a reason for that, but if you look at existence as a whole, then it sure is a miracle. We're surrounded by little miracles and big miraculous ones buddy. Why don't you go watch a sunset, or eat a mango, or fuck yourself stupid, or howl like a banshee. Experience life, and let your wildman free. You're never going to understand life, so you may as well enjoy it.
And in the immortal words of Brain,
'ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE, FUCKERS'
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Date: Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 17:29:54 (GMT)
From: Monty Python
Email: None
To: Dream-Time
Subject: I'm just a bubblehead, so be nice to me. But, why?
Message:
'ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE, FUCKERS'

I all for looking at the bright side of life, but that doesn't preclude denying the dark side either, Monsieur La Tete Bubble.

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Date: Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 00:29:02 (GMT)
From: Mr Bubblehead
Email: None
To: Monty Python
Subject: Mr Bubblehead visits the Dark Side of the Moon
Message:
Dear Monty, excellent observation. It would seem that this could easily evolve into a 'meaning of life' conversation. If you bear with me a minute, I'll tell you a little story.
I was once obsessed with the meaning of life. I heard of a holy man who lived in a little cave, high in the Nepalese Mountains. I just had to see him, so I packed a little bag with my meagre possessions, and started the long, slow pilgrimage to his door. The adventures and the people I met would fill a book, but I eventually arrived in Kathmandu, where I booked passage on a Yak Train smuggling tourists into Tibet. I eventually left the train and set off on foot to climb Mt Mysterious, the home of the Nepalese Saint. I endured cold, hunger and uncertainty, but finally arrived at his cave. He was sitting on a rock on the edge of the precipice, staring out over the mountains as the sun was setting. I was filled with bliss just being in his presence. He looked at me with love in his eyes and knew why I was there.
'Sunshine' he said, 'I know why you're here. You seek the meaning of life. I can tell just looking into your eyes that you're not ready for this knowledge, but you have crossed 3 continents, endured 800,000 Indians, all trying to rip you off, so I will tell you the secret and the meaning of life'.
I was waiting to be blown away, but he was right, I didn't get it. It wasn't until years latter, that I awoke one morning and the full import of his words hit me like a ton of bricks. It is at once simple and complex. Monty, do you want to know the real meaning of life? Like me you're probably not ready, but what the heck. This is what that wise and holy saint told me. Oh shit, there's someone knocking at the door. Oh WOW, it's those nice Jahova Witness people. I have to go put on the kettle. If you really want to know I'll tell you.
Bye
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Date: Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 15:05:34 (GMT)
From: Monty Python
Email: None
To: Mr Bubblehead
Subject: Mr Bubblehead visits the Dark Side of the Moon
Message:
You're not the guy who crawled up to Mr. Natural's perch high atop a mountain, are you?

Mr. Bubblehead: 'Mr. Natural, what is the answer?'

Mr. Natural: 'What is the question?'

Oops, gotta go, Mormons selling special underwear are at my door.

Ta ta for now.

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Date: Tues, Apr 25, 2000 at 07:58:42 (GMT)
From: Mr Bubblehead
Email: None
To: Monty Python
Subject: Mr Bubblehead visits the Dark Side of the Moon
Message:
Alas, no Mr Natural in Oz, but I think I like his style.

Mr Bubblehead: 'Share with me the secret knowledge of happiness'

Mr Natural: 'If you want to be happy, be happy'.

Mr Bubblehead scrowls, burps and stratches his head.

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Date: Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 09:31:53 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Mr Bubblehead
Subject: Ho Ha Ho Nice story Bubbles ! nt
Message:
sdf
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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 18:56:56 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Dream Time
Subject: thats but natural!
Message:
Well, I was responding to the line 'who cares how people get there?'

Cause it just does matter.I just love you.
That line about 'I just love you' was typed in by a 7 year old.
It is for you from him and me.

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Date: Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 02:47:22 (GMT)
From: Dream-Time
Email: None
To: bb
Subject: thats but natural!
Message:
I seem to have lost the thread of this conversation. Thanks for the love bb, and I send all of mine to you and yours. I love kids.
What I'm trying to say is that we're surrounded by teachers. Maharaji is one, you are one, the wind in the willows is one( my personal favourite), and so is my senile Aunt Harriot. Teachers open the door, but you choose when to enter and when to leave.
As to whether what you're doing here is important, then I'd say that if it seems important to you, then it's important.
Bye, time to dream.
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 23:18:34 (GMT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: infinity trade
Subject: It worked for me
Message:
I-T,

The meditation has a positive effect for many people. What has that got to do with Maharaji's claim to exclusive rights to the meditation techniques, and his claim that they do not 'work' without him?

John.

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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 23:47:34 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: What is more expensive?
Message:
Addiction to Big M or addiction to drugs?
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 23:52:02 (GMT)
From: Oliver
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: What is more expensive?
Message:
Probably addiction to drugs. But then you get so much more for your money!
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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 02:19:15 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Oliver/Daneane
Subject: What is more expensive?
Message:
I think it was Nigel that said in his Journey that kicking a drug addiction is actually easier. I beleive he said addiction to M was more insidious. My apologies, Nigel if I am wrong on this--chalk it up to all that LSD back in the 70's--snicker
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Date: Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 13:48:14 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: OT Helen.....
Message:
would you you please email me ASAP?? Robin gave you my address, right? Or if not, write JM... We are leaving ....about 1pm...Better, email me your phone number and we call you...

SB

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Date: Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 14:28:00 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: OT Helen.....
Message:
I emailed my phone number to JM, hope to see y'all
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Date: Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 14:36:48 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: OT Helen.....OK-nt
Message:
ok
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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 02:22:25 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: Truly frightening.(nt)
Message:
Boo.
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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 18:09:00 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: infinity trade
Subject: To:infinity trade
Message:
Dear it,

Sorry, but your pen-name reduces to rather interesting initials. That name, by the way, is rather spooky.

Why should anyone here be disappointed that you are no longer tearing everything in sight to bits, and happily meditating instead? My only disappointment in your post is that it lacks substance. It doesn't really address the issues that we are interested in here. We already know that meditation is helpful for some people.

I think you might do better to direct your insights to the folks who are involved in giving Knowledge these days. Have you seen the long list of 'requirements' a person must meet before they receive Knowledge. The aspirant is required to be quite a stable person before the techniques are revealed. You could write Bilkis and other aspirant screeners, or even Rawat, and tell them your story, how even raving lunatics can benefit from Knowledge.

Unfortunately, not all mentally ill people gain a benefit. Bill Patterson's sister, for instance, was instructed to stop meditating because it only made her illness worse. And a personal premie friend of mine received Knowledge even though he was a diagnosed schizophrenic. He practiced diligently while traveling the country and sleeping in alleyways. He became frustrated with his sexuality interfering with his practice of Knowledge so he took a megadose of vitamin C one day and sliced off his penis, flushed it down the toilet. (Don't ask me how the vit.C was supposed to help). A few months later, one of Maharaji's instructors came to town. He asked me about this premie. I told him that I had just visited him in the hospital. He was in a padded cell because he had tried to hang himself in the bathroom the day before. The 'instructor' didn't seem to have any instructions for me though.

Oh well, Knowledge 'works' for you. It makes you happy. That's all that counts.

Say hi to Maharaji for us. Tell him to keep those doors open.

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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 17:53:17 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: 'The consistency of Maharaji'
Message:
This is currently on the appreciation.org website, reporting on the Maha's recent Amaroo visit

Mark Dowding says:
'Apart from the wonderful experience within which he showed me, I
think it is the consistency of Maharaji and his message that have had
the most profound effect on my life.'




Consistency?

Can he mean that?





('The consistency of Maharaji' - wouldn't that be similar to the consistency of jelly?)

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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 21:11:31 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: But, He IS consistent
Message:
cq:
Consistently inane

Consistently stupid

Consistently dull

Consistently insipid

Consistently pointless

Consistently tiresome

Consistently asks for money for a new project (read that: I want a boat, dammit!)

Consistently asks for money 'cause the 'new phase' is right around the corner

Consistently CHANGES his story to fit his particular circumstances at the time (e.g. there is reincarnation, there is no reincarnation, I'm god, I'm not god..... yadda yadda yadda)

YES, consistency IS a hallmark of M..... it really is! he he he :-)

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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 20:05:42 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Is that like a bowlful of jelly? (NT)
Message:
xyz
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 19:16:51 (GMT)
From: Loaf
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Its Lard....(nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 19:19:54 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: or ma ha...ha...maha..haaa..ha...maha..jarine!(nt)
Message:
or ma ha...ha...maha..haaa..ha...maha..jarine!(nt)
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 18:31:06 (GMT)
From: Dave
Email: vpost3@hotmail.com
To: cq
Subject: 'The consistency of Maharaji' is rather like
Message:
smooth wobbly jelly wrapped in an expensive suit.
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 23:34:54 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Dave
Subject: Pass the Ketchup
Message:
Inspired me to take a peek at the same site, came across this offering from Chris Ketchum


I'm confused

Hmmmmm.....

How can somebody walk out on stage in view of 77,000 people and the first words out of his mouth are obviously being spoken just for me? How can that happen? Wait a second....... ooooooooh! Now I see. I'm not confused. I'm just a little beyond where explanations can be made in anything but poetry. I think I'll go read a poem, even if I am living one.

Okaaaay.....after you with the doobie, man.

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Date: Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 19:56:57 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: This guy should read newspaper astrology
Message:
WOW..... imagine that...... MILLIONS of people read the astrology pages in the newspaper and it's meant JUST FOR ME!!!! WOW!

The term to use for this incredible 'phenomenon' is..... wait... here it comes.... the answer to all of M's babble.... G.E.N.E.R.I.C! Generic..... generic.... generic.... Say it fifty times in a row and then REALIZE that EVERYTHING that issues forth from the hamster is thus..... generic! He NEVER says anything specific.... NEVER!

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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 18:29:45 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: 'The consistency of Maharaji'
Message:
From our point of view, this is laughable. We consistently point out Maharaj Ji's inconsistency on this website, especially vis-a-vis his statements on Himself. Yes, 'inconsistency' is an understatement when comparing the Satguru, who comes now and then to save mankind, with Maharaji, a teacher of meditation and not even a leader, really.

But to a modern day Person with Knowledge who is unaware of Prem Pal's previous job description (Lord of the Universe), or who chooses to gloss it over somehow, Maharaj Ji is pretty consistent. Apart from his meandering anecdotes about his jets and his watches, he really only says one thing: in contrast to this complicated world and our confusing mind, this Knowledge is very simple, and meditating on it will make you happier. (It will not, however, solve your problems, as he stated recently. An honest statement, although one wonders how that will bring in the customers, most of whom see life as a problem to be solved and Knowledge, perhaps, as the answer.)

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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 15:12:09 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: Everyone
Subject: Jean-Michel comes to the East Coast of America
Message:
To all,
Anyone wanting to work into the festivities please contact me. He will be arriving today and going home on May 4th.
JM has graciously offered K reviews for all wayward exes in the interest of keeping us in the know with Knowledge as m won't help us anymore. Boo hoo!
I hear JM's k reviews involve vodka somehow too, can't wait to learn where that fits in! Get the lemons, sugar and shot glasses out, I'm sure we'll be using them! :)
Love,
me
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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 11:20:29 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: mishkat@gateway.net
To: Robyn
Subject: Jean-Michel K Review schedule
Message:
Hi Robyn -
You already know this, but other people might not. Jean-Michel and friends are tentatively coming to the mountains southwestern Virginia to visit me and Brian (probably the last weekend in April). We are a bit west of the East Coast (about 4 1/2 hours southwest of DC) but it's very beautiful here right now - so if anyone wants to take a drive up or down here, please e-mail me.

Looking forward to the knowledge review...but no vodka, please. (Maybe bourbon?)

Take care all -
Katie

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Date: Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 04:11:15 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: freewheeling@bigfoot.com
To: Katie
Subject: Jean-Michel K Review schedule
Message:
Katie:

You live on the east coast? Have I missed something? I thought you lived in the upper midwest?

--Scott

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Date: Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 13:37:21 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Scott T.
Subject: Jean-Michel K Review schedule
Message:
Hi Scott -
Well, I've moved three times in the past year, so no wonder you are confused :). Sometimes I forget where I am when I wake up in the morning. Brian and I are living in Blacksburg - not exactly the east coast, but close.

Take care,
Katie

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Date: Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 14:14:36 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: freewheeling@bigfoot.com
To: Katie
Subject: Jean-Michel K Review schedule
Message:
Katie:

I thought your husband's name was Peter? Are you remarried, or did he have two names and decided to use the other? I recall he was having some sort of identity conflict. Don't answer online if you don't want to. I just don't have a current email address for you.

--Scott

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Date: Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 14:31:38 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: mishkat@gateway.net
To: Scott T.
Subject: Jean-Michel K Review schedule
Message:
Hi Scott -
My EX-husband's name is Peter...it's a long story!

I haven't been too prompt about answering e-mails lately, but drop me a line and let me know what you're up to. I promise to answer, if not immediately.

Take care -
Katie

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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 21:59:39 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: I`ve checked the vodka
Message:
nd haven't found anything satisfying yet

The only thing I've been able to drink for the moment is Tropicana orange juice ....

Heeeeeelppppp!!!!

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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 12:26:23 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Better get back to Paris
Message:
Bonjour Jean-Michel,

You'd better get back to Paris quick Jean-Michel. It sounds like civilisation has finally collapsed over there.

It's been on the cards since Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young got back together.

Antoine des Banlieu

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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 14:08:31 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Better get back to Paris: no way!
Message:
I'm fine here! I knew that would happen ...... I've found a nice job here.

The real problem here though is food, but I think I'll work it out.

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Date: Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 17:12:22 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Who will feed the cat? (nt)
Message:
meow
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Date: Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 00:45:37 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: My cat? And my parrakeets (Lala and Dipsy)?
Message:
Someone's taking care of them!!!!

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Date: Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 23:06:13 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Who will feed the cat? (nt)
Message:
You! Get your ass over there! :)
Robyn
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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 13:53:22 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Better get back to Paris
Message:
I offer JM good vodka and he chose oranje juice!! He is lying!!

LOL

SB

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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 01:41:25 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Where the heck are you? (nt)
Message:
rty
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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 01:56:59 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: bb
Subject: Where the heck are you? (nt)
Message:
Hi Bill!
Don't be so nosey!!! Just kidding, JM wrote that to me when I asked him if he was getting excited about his trip and I thought it was so funny. :)
I think you are pretty protective of your email account but if you want you could send it to me and I can send it on to JM or maybe he will have another suggestion tomorrow.
Personally I'd love to meet you too! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 03:26:27 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Where the heck are you? (nt)
Message:
actually, I'm loose with it!
bburke@rocketmail.com
I posted the password once on the forum.
But, mischief makers on the forum make me think twice about doing that at this time. It isnt like forum one.
(better of course!)
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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 01:34:25 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: I`ve checked the vodka
Message:
Dear JM,
Right on the job, eh? :) Testing vodka before you've been here 24 hours! :)
I am going to ask my vodka drinking friends the name of the brand they say is best and bring some, I know it is in a blue bottle. Iced in shot glasses with lemon wedges dipped in sugar. Drink the shot and pop that lemon in your mouth. The do that ALL the time! I have tried it and it is good. That melon and was there blueberry?, sounded so good though.
Well you just may meet my bad dogs too and if you do maybe you could fix them so they mind! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 19:54:29 (GMT)
From: Latvi-wannabe
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Jean-Michel comes to the East Coast of America
Message:
Robyn-I would like to meet with JM if possible in the next few weeks on the east coast. Can you suggest a way that we can hook up?I will be around the midatlantic east coast region for the next week 10 days.
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 21:55:43 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Latvi-wannabe
Subject: Jean-Michel comes to the East Coast of America
Message:
Hey Mysterious,
I don't know who you are so I don't know if you've emailed me since you posted this or what?! My email is on the post at the top of the thread.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 15:25:55 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Jean-Michel comes to the East Coast of America
Message:
I'll be seeing you there, someplace!! LOL

S

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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 16:33:40 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Jean-Michel comes to the East Coast of America
Message:
Sorry SB, forgot to mention your name! :| See you soon. :)
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 20:41:48 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Jean-Michel comes to the East Coast of America
Message:
Hey Robyn, let me know if the ex-premie contingent needs a place to stay in the Dc area or is getting together near there.
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 09:51:08 (GMT)
From: Dave
Email: vpost3@hotmail.com
To: Everyone
Subject: I edited that post for you
Message:
and took out the name which you requested I do. My email address is above and you can email me if you want to.
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 10:48:05 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: Dave
Subject: I edited that post for you
Message:
If you edited a post, don't you feel you have an obligation to tell us the following?

a)Who are YOU to edit posts?

b)Which post did you edit and why?

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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 10:57:43 (GMT)
From: Dave
Email: None
To: Joey
Subject: I edited that post for you - no mystery
Message:
It was a post on my website which I had copied from this forum. I don't have the email address of the person who wrote it so I've advised them here that I've edited the post since there is some urgency in the matter. They know who they are.
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 11:01:44 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: Dave
Subject: I edited that post for you - no mystery
Message:
There have been posts, well at least one that I've noticed, that has been edited on THIS forum.

THAT's what I'm wondering about.

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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 11:05:03 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: Joey
Subject: I edited that post for you - no mystery
Message:
...And I see that the responsible parties won't be too quick in owning up to it.
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 14:56:00 (GMT)
From: Forum Administrator
Email: None
To: Joey
Subject: I edited that post for you - no mystery
Message:
Hi Joey,

The posts here get edited by the duty Forum Administrator. It doesn't happen very often. It's usually because the posts contain personal details, or offensive material.

Sometimes we get an email from somebody asking us to remove something from a particular post which affects, or upsets them. We usually do what is asked in cases like this.

Duty Forum Admin.

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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 21:05:08 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: I edited that post for you - no mystery
Message:

Thank you for clarifying your 'editorial' policy.

I take it then, that last week or the week before, when there were a series of posts which revealed Runamok's first name and the city that he's located in, that these posts were not edited or deleted because there was no complaint from Run.

I also take it that in this case, there was a complaint from the one who posts as Roger Drek, or one of his corrupted bosom buddies.

Which goes to show what kind of paranoid,infantile, twisted jerk he really is!!

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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 08:24:20 (GMT)
From: Forum Administrator
Email: None
To: Joey
Subject: Persistant offenders are banned.
Message:
Joey,

That's right. First, the duty admin probably didn't read the post with Runs name and town in it. If those details were posted without Run's consent, we would certainly have deleted the posts.

You are aware that it's our policy not to publish personal details, like real names, if a person wants to remain anonymous.

This is why some of your posts have been edited.

We ask you, and everyone else, to respect our desire for everyone's privacy.

Anyone who continually breaks this rule will be banned.

We ask you to respect our guidelines.

Duty Administrator

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Date: Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 05:11:59 (GMT)
From: Runamok
Email: djrayovac@aol.com
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: I did request it's removal.
Message:
Actually I asked to have the posts in question removed both online and in several emails to the FA on duty. He answered them, so he certainly did know. I can't say I appreciate it but chose not to make any stink. However, I didn't think it was fair.

I understand it's not easy to make totally objective decisions as an FA. Nonetheless, if that guideline had been posted I would have made more noise about it.

Revealing people's personal info can be a threatening move (or threatening to do so all the more so and all to common). I hope you will post guidelines at some point.

I'm not a guidelines freak as some people say I am. I do like to know what the rules are so I can try to get a fair shake. In that situation, IMO, I assumed that was my penalty for the FA doing something that he thought was wrong, NOT something that was an indicated transgression against forum policy (i.e., threats).

The forum admin also told me he shared at least one of my email with another FA (at my request). I hope you will all review this matter and clean out the archives of the material in question.

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Date: Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 17:29:10 (GMT)
From: gerry from mccleary
Email: None
To: Seth from Texas
Subject: I did request it's removal.
Message:
Revealing people's personal info can be a threatening move (or threatening to do so all the more so and all to common). I hope you will post guidelines at some point.

Does this include your telling lies about other people and revealing the contents of private telephone conversations? You're a fucking dope and a hypocrite.

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Date: Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 05:26:18 (GMT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: PS
Message:
I just went archiving and suspect it has been removed.
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 18:28:09 (GMT)
From: Dave
Email: None
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: I rule the world, I think
Message:
Because I've been told that it's me who edits this forum, even though I have no knowledge of it. That must mean I'm all powerful without actually knowing it. Ah the mysteries of the universe...

I can edit posts without ever seeing them or knowing of their existence.

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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 19:01:46 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Dave
Subject: Depends on how little you know:
Message:
In case you've ever wondered why the Maha got to where he is, here is a simple explanation that's also mathematical proof:



Knowledge is Power.

Time is Money.



And, as every engineer knows:

Power = Work / Time
(ie work divided by time)


If Knowledge = Power, and Time = Money,
then Knowledge = Work / Money


Solving this equation for Money, we get:

Money = Work / Knowledge


Thus, Money approaches infinity as Knowledge approaches
zero,
regardless of the Work done.


What this means is:

The Less you Know, the More you Make.






Q.E.D.

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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 21:37:08 (GMT)
From: Amphetamine Reptile
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Wide awake at 3 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time
Message:
The C9H13N Dirge

Who am I?
Who are you?
No, don't tell me
Cause you'd only be lying to me

I love you
I hate you
I'm sorry
You're one sorry excuse

Love
Hate
Love
Hate

Can't get enough
Can't get enough
Can't get enough
Can't get enough

Stayed up all night
Five days straight
Turned my love to hate
On the net or on the web
Are my enemies real or imagined

Them greasy pigs
Them fat fucks

I be the One
I be the Man
I be the Child of the Roo
I be me, but you ain't you

(repeat 310 times)

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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 09:36:13 (GMT)
From: The Dept of Mental Health
Email: Of Sydney)
To: Amphetamine Reptile (Phil
Subject: Wide awake at 3 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time
Message:
Please arrange voluntary commitment this time Phil.
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Date: Mon, Apr 24, 2000 at 06:30:27 (GMT)
From: Phil
Email: None
To: The Dept of Mental Health
Subject: Wide awake at 3 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time
Message:
Well thanks for the advice 'Dept of Mental Health.' Of course it is not the first time I have been offered that advice.
Involuntary admissions can be so traumatic when one is suffering from a full blown pychosis and some fool, in an attempt to 'help' me, rings the police.
I am wondering why you chose to post your message. Did you think I am the 'Amphetamine Reptile?' I assure you I'm not. Are you the 'Amphetamine Reptile?' Probably closer to the truth.
Of course I'm assuming that your message refers to me. My name is Phil, I'm an ex-premie living in Sydney who also lives with a mental illness. Maybe I'm just paranoid, after all, that can play a part in the episodes I endure.
Whatever the truth is, congratulations. Your Master would be proud of you.
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 00:43:15 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Charles Dickens (ot)
Message:
My PBS station ran the BBC production of David Copperfield the past two nights, and it was really, really good. Maggie Smith and Bob Hoskins were especially great. Like so many of Dickens' novels, in this one the main character is really kind of flat and boring, compared to all these other amazing characters that Dickens' creates.

Anyhow, this is OT, but I have always been a really big Dickens fan and I just wondered if anybody has an opinion on this. Is David Copperfield a literary masterpiece, or not? I read that Tolstoy said it was, and that's pretty convincing, and I think it is one of the greatest pieces of Western Literature (not that I've read that much of it to be sure), but the BBC program made me think about it.

So, in between talking about our former fraudulent guru, maybe we could actually talk about someone who has added so much to the beauty and pleasure of the world, like Charles Dickens. Any opinions?

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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 12:34:04 (GMT)
From: Anon
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Charles Dickens (ot)
Message:
I couldn't agree more JW.
It's an odd coincidence that you should come up with this topic now, since this morning I was reading a very engaging description of 'London by gas-light' by Dickens.

I also happened to read in the newspaper the other day, that he is generally considered one of the higher ranking genius' of the past, and that his genius was not altogether an inherited talent but that he had studied furiously as a young man, devouring books whenever he could at the British Museum and thus was exeptionally well-grounded in literature. The point of the article was that 'genius' can be often explained by the talent for application and hard work that such people had, not just some great gift in that area. He was mentioned amongst the likes of Einstein and Socrates.

I was reading the aforementioned Dickens extract because lately I have been interested in the history of everyday life in the early nineteenth century in England. This is simply because I discovered some old oil paintings of family members done in 1840 and it set me thinking about how they would have lived.

Dickens has for me been (somewhat to my surprise and delight) easily the most enjoyable descriptive writer on such matters. Others I have read a little of include Horace Walpole, Samuel Johnson and I think Selwyn (though he may have been an earlier writer). Samuel Pepys, who somebody mentioned as another excellent diarist, obviously preceded Dickens by a couple of hundred years and is a valuable resource on 17th century life. (I find him a bit heavy going, but it was just supposed to be his diary after all!)

I have also just been going through hundreds of old Victorian photographs of my family which an aunt left me, in a box. All of these are of relatives except (I assume) one, which is a snap of Charles Dickens himself! It's clearly an original photograph so I am wondering if someone in my family might have known him.

Nice to know that 'amorphic resonance' (that phenomenon that results in animals in quite different parts of the world adopting the same strange new behaviour at the same time, for no apparent reason) is alive and well in ex-premieland!!

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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 04:55:48 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Anon
Subject: Charles Dickens (ot)
Message:
I remember writing a paper in college comparing David Copperfield with Great Expectations. I think Dickens wrote Copperfield when he was 37, but he wrote Great Expectations in his late 40s. In many ways the stories are kind of similar, but David Copperfield was completely virtuous and honest from beginning to end, while Pip, while starting out with many of the same problems, was far from perfect. I think the theory of the paper was that as Dickens got older he became less idealistic and saw people more as they are.

I notice that the BBC also recently did Great Expectations, which was shown in the US in January. Do you know -- is the BBC doing a series of Dickens' novels? I sure hope so. I don't think the setting is what is attractive to me; it's the brilliant way he creates characters. It really is genius.

Actually my favorite Dickens novels are Bleak House and Nicholas Nickleby. I also liked Tale of Two Cities, but I also thought the Hollywood movie from the 30s was terrific.

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Date: Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 22:14:35 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Charles Dickens (ot)
Message:
Hi JW -
I tend to get Dickens' books mixed up, but if 'Bleak House' is the one with 'Jarndyce vs Jarndyce', then it also is one of my favorites. I also really like 'Little Dorritt', and am absolutely crazy about 'A Christmas Carol', despite sentimentality.

Hope you are well, Joe -
Love,
Katie

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Date: Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 14:35:15 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Bleak House
Message:
You're right; it has the never ending probate dispute (Jarndyce v. Jarndyce)with the lawyers ending up consuming all the money in the case in the course of the dispute. I read once that this story was instrumental in getting the arcane English probate laws changed. It's a great story, again with great characters.

I'm doing well, Katie. I've been in the midst of some home improvements that were a little inconvenient, but they are almost over now; I doubt I could afford any more 'improving' at the moment.

Spring must be beautiful in the mountains.

Joe

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Date: Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 16:12:32 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Bleak House
Message:
Hi Joe -
'Bleak House' is one of the great cautionary tales about the perils of expecting to inherit money. I love the scene where they finally settle the case.

I can't believe you did MORE home improvements. You are going to improve your house right out of the neighborhood! Seriously, I bet it looks great, although it looked great before.

It is beautiful here - the redbud is blooming - but has been a bit cold and rainy this spring. We did need the rain since we were in a slight drought which is now over. I'm looking forward to the week after next - exam week, then graduation, which means most of the students leave town for the summer (reducing the town's population by about half). As a result, summer is very relaxing here. Some people think it's boring, but not me.

Take care, Joe -
Love,
Katie

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Date: Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 01:12:21 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: JW and . . . .
Subject: Charles Dickens and C.S. Lewis?
Message:
'It was the best of times, it was the worst of times; it was hard times.' (not sure it comes from Hard Times, but it's the way I most often describe my life.)

As no one has mentioned it, my personal favourite of Dickens' novels is Hard Times. I wrote a paper on it in college looking at the way he reversed the traditional symbolism of black and white. From my paper ('76 :-)):

Fact exists only in black and white. In Hard Times, Dickens could not have chosen a more effective image through which to illustrate to the Gradgrinds of the world, the flaws in utilitarian thinking.

Sissy Jupe, 'to whom mistakes came natural,' . . .was so dark-eyed and dark-haired, that she seemed to receive a deeper and more lustrous colour from the sun,' Bitzer, who factually defines a horse as 'quadruped. Graminivorous. Froty teeth . . .,' ' . . . was so light-eyed and light-haired that the self-same rays appeared to draw out of him what little colour he ever possessed.' The contrast is effective. One sees a healthy young girl with high colour and spontaneous sincerity juxtaposed with a cadaverous, blinking insect of a boy, whose proper schooling has undoubtably emancipated him from childhood's whims and settled him securely in the sterile realism of utilitarianism.

and while we're in that area, has anyone read C. S. Lewis' 'The Abolition of Man or Reflections on education with special reference to the teaching of English in the upper forms of schools?' It's a very small book, but well worth reading. The first chapter is titled Men without Chests, and comes out solidly against the Gradgrinds of the world (no Jim - not only you ;-). The second is called The Way, then The Abolition of Man, then Illustrations of the 'Tao,' where he collects illustrations of the Natural Law from civilizations around the planet.

A few samples:

'Terrify not men, or God will terrify thee.' (Ancient History of the Near East)

'What good man regards any misfortune as no concern of his?' (Roman. Juvenal xv)

'You will see them take care of their kindred [and] the children of their friends . . . never reproaching them in the least.' (Redskin. Le Jeune)

'Love thy wife studiously. Gladden her heart all thy life long.' (Ancient Egyptian. ERE v)

I ought not to be unfeeling like a statue but should fulfil both my natural and artificial relations as a worshipper, a son, a brother, a father, and a citizen.' (Greek, Epictetus)

If a native made a 'find' of any kind (eg a honey tree) and marked it, it was thereafter safe for him, as far as his own tribesmen were concerned, no matter how long he left it.' (Australian Aborigines)

'There, Thor, you got disgrace when you beat women.' (Old Norse. Harbarthsljoth)

'In the Dalebura tribe a woman, a cripple from birth, was carried about by the tribes-people in turn until her death at the age of sisty-six.' . . .'They never desert the sick.' (Australian Aborigines. ERE v)

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Date: Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 11:52:03 (GMT)
From: Anon
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Charles Dickens and C.S. Lewis?
Message:
'Terrify not men, or God will terrify thee.' (Ancient History of the Near East)

My mother is an admirer of C.S.Lewis (as are many christians of her generation). This quote potentially brings this thread squarely 'on topic' since one might consider that Maharaji could be accused of 'terrifying men' to some extent, in some satsangs of yore.
I may start a new thread about this, as I would be very interested to know if premies are honestly, totally comfortable with the way that itimidating admonishions etc. from M, have played a part in their lives. I personally have had a hard time squaring some of his past more intimidating satsangs with my perception of him as an altogether benevolent master.

I know that it's not exactly a new subject for discussion, but I have never heard any premies comment on this sensibly, or at length.

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Date: Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 12:12:48 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Anon
Subject: Hoped someone would pick up on that one! (nt)
Message:
Hoped someone would pick up on that one! (nt)
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 15:08:44 (GMT)
From: Monmot
Email: None
To: Anon
Subject: History of Private Life (ot)
Message:
There's a five volume set of books, put out by Belknap Press of Harvard University, called 'The History of Private Life.' Vol. 1 covers from Pagan Rome to Byzantium; Vol. 2 covers the Medieval World; Vol. 3 covers The Renaissance; Vol. 4 covers from the French Revolution to the Great War; and Vol. 5 is entitled 'Riddles of Identity in Modern Times.' This is probably way too much information, but I thought you might be interested because of your interest in the daily life of the early 19th century. I haven't read all five volumes, but friends have told me Volume 2 is fabulous.
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 17:12:02 (GMT)
From: Anon
Email: None
To: Monmot
Subject: History of Private Life (ot)
Message:
Sounds fascinating - thanks. I'll see if I can order it in the UK. Finding time to read it's another thing of course!
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 17:21:09 (GMT)
From: Monmot
Email: None
To: Anon
Subject: History of Private Life (ot)
Message:
They're recently out of print, so if you know a good used book source, that'd be your best bet. So many books, so little.... I agree.
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 09:25:23 (GMT)
From: Dave
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Charles Dickens (ot)
Message:
It ranks high up there with Chaucer's 'Canterbury Tales' and the works of Shakespeare. It's one of the best views of life in Victorian England we have. OK, it's a bit of a characature and all the really bad parts of Victorian London are missed out to make it more palatable reading but one really gets the feel of life in those times from reading Dickens.

You might also like Samuel Pepys's Diary which also gives graphical accounts of life over a century before Dickens. He has many dalliences with fair maidens and writes in a raw and honest way, also reflecting the culture and politics of the day.

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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 03:29:10 (GMT)
From: chit chat
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Charles Dickens (ot)
Message:
Come on, JW, isn't your post a cleverly designed attempt to engage us unsuspecting exes in some good old fashioned 'chit chat'?
I feel like I'm in my mind just from talking about it.
Anyway, why don't you get a brother to give you a little satsang about it and get back on the word...OK?...just trying to be a brother, you know...
Jai satchitanand
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 17:35:48 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: chit chat
Subject: Charles Dickens (ot)
Message:
Yes, JW is a very wayward premie. I do not think he is remembering the holy name. Very mindy stuff, to be sure.

My guess....Jim?

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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 01:25:49 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Book chat
Message:
I haven't read David Copperfield but have read Great Expectations and just read Tale of Two Cities for book club. I think Dickens is tremendous. I studied him in grad school and there are so many great things about him
* social reformer who really made a difference in publicizing child labor, debtors' prisons, other horrific stuff in the early industrial age of England.
*great characters
*damn good writer who can tell a great story
*really comical stuff that makes you bust out laughing at times
*was really popular in his day and made lots of money as a writer. PROLIFIC as all hell!

I know that the literary merit of 'Tale of 2 Cities' is debated alot --some call it the 'best of his novels,and the worst of his novels' (get it?) I loved it most of all because I learned so much about the French Revolution from it, and it was a damn interesting story.

I think the sad thing about today is that we are such an instant gratification society, because television has changed our expectations. We pick up a book and expect to be instantly mesmerized by it. The publishing world is so competitive because of this--they know that they must grab a reader within the first 5 seconds that the reader picks up the book in the bookstore and reads the blurb on the back, so authors must jump right into the action early on to sell those books. Reading someone like Dickens takes alot of extra effort at least in the beginning but is really worth the commitment. This is the advantage to me of being in a book club, it forces me to read stuff I might not normally read, but it is worth it. Reading non-fiction stuff that I hardly ever read like 'Undaunted Courage' for example (Stephen AMbrose's book on the Lewis and Clark expedition), or 'A History of God' by Karen Armstrong,a book on the history of religion

As far as literature goes, I also love Henry James and Edith Wharton . I am on a a big Edith Wharton kick now--recently read'The Buccaneers'(which was also on PBS) and 'Age of Innocence'. Really good stuff about high society New York in the late 1800's, so subtle and perceptive. Countess Oleska as played by Michelle Pfiffer in the movie 'Age of Innocence'is hot hot hot and the hottest scene is when her frustrated lover (played by Daniel Day Lewis) unbuttons her glove during a clandestine ride in a coach and kisses her hand. A Henry james book was made into a movie a few years ago--'The WIngs of the Dove' with Helena Bonham Carter--that was very sexy and dark, also. I am also a huge Willa Cather fan,an American author from the midwest. 'My Antonia' is my favorite book of all time. H.L. Mencken said 'No romantic novel ever written in America, by man or woman, is one half so beautiful as My ANtonia.'

In answer to your question, I think David Copperfield is considered to be a great novel.Didn't see the PBS production but will make it a point to see it.

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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 06:38:37 (GMT)
From: sigh
Email: None
To: thread
Subject: to put a fine point on it
Message:
perfect reading as the guru said to his devotee as he kissed him in the sock.
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 18:35:14 (GMT)
From: Mrs Gumidge
Email: None
To: sigh
Subject: 'I feel it more than other people'
Message:
There is a book written that studies Dickens as a man and through his writing that shows how developed he was at integrating Thinking Feeling and Willing. I may be able to find the title.

Also though a bit OT- Another fun book is 'Innocents Abroad' by Twain. A hilarious view of touring Europe and the East way back when. Twain took a cruise ship with some of his mates and this is his account. It begins when he first say the flyer for the journey-and when he signed up at the booking office.

Nice to see this thread.

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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 20:36:20 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Mrs Gumidge
Subject: 'I feel it more than other people'
Message:
Love Twain. Never read the one you mentioned, but did enjoy 'The Mysterious Stranger' a truly strange and different book! and his essays.
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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 03:30:00 (GMT)
From: Mrs Gummidge
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: 'I feel it more than other people'
Message:
Dear Dear Helen

Please keep an eye out for Innocents Abroad- it is hard to find in 20 years I have only come across 2 copies. Just found one the other day.
Following the Equator is similar but not as fresh as Innocents.

:-)))

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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 21:13:06 (GMT)
From: Mrs. Haversham
Email: None
To: Mrs Gummidge
Subject: 'I feel it more than other people'
Message:
Would you be Mike dressed up in lady's garb by any chance? Mike who makes the cut happy faces (Oh but he's such a nice boy, that Mike!)
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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 22:33:35 (GMT)
From: Uriah Heep
Email: None
To: Mrs. Haversham
Subject: 'I feel it more than other people'
Message:
But such a humble person as myself would never expect that Mike would dress in ladies' clothes. It is not for me or my mother to have ambitions like people as advanced and clever as yourselves.
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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 20:50:46 (GMT)
From: A.P.
Email: antiprem@aol.com
To: Everyone
Subject: Event confirmation
Message:
LA dates- 4/25 at the Santa Monica Civic Center
Knowledge session on 6/6

Miami May 4 and May 6 for Knowledge review and on May 27 will be a knowledge session.

It has been requested that people only attend 1 event.

Looks like M will be hanging around in Miami for a month.

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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 23:53:02 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: A.P.
Subject: Banned
Message:
I asked the local aspirant contact if the event was only for PWK. He didn't confirm or deny the event, just said there wasn't an 'asking for knowledge' session scheduled Tuesday. He suggested I go to videos for answers to my questions.
Ignorant and snubbed. That's me.

Hey...can someone turn the light on?? Its dark in here.

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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 11:21:07 (GMT)
From: A.P.
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: Banned
Message:
The event has not yet officially been announced, but its coming. there will be a ks at the end of may. I think it is on May 27th. Not sure where
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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 09:48:26 (GMT)
From: The Illuminadi
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: Miss Obvious
Message:
Well , gee whiz you must have been real surprised! I mean just because you have been shitting on the doorstep for 6 weeks....Why should that make any difference? And anyway you reckon it's all a crock so why should you care? Have you seen the Blues Brothers movie where Jake and Elwood go to the Restaraunt to recruit one of their old Band members who is running the place. 'How much for the little girl?'. Oh yeah they fitted in like a glove. You would too!
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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 13:07:53 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: The Illuminadi
Subject: Duuuuhhhh
Message:
Well....so how much? For the little guuurrrllll???
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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 23:04:09 (GMT)
From: The Illuminadi
Email: Felix ,Chesire
To: Daneane
Subject: Come on Elwood wer'e late!
Message:
You may remember they didn't eat,left the restaraunt,and got on with what they were interested in ...the band. You interest me little girl...How long were you aspiring, interested or whatever? Did you get refused , insulted ,asked to wait ???Why are you so bitter and twisted?
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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 23:15:11 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: The Illuminadi
Subject: Just lucky, I guess.(nt)
Message:
xoxoxooxxo
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Date: Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 07:12:17 (GMT)
From: The Illuminadi
Email: You know so much Darling!!!
To: Daneane
Subject: Just lucky, I guess.(nt)
Message:
Naughty Girl!!! I have a special task for you. It will be just me and you and I want you ....er to be really bad. Next I want you to join the Republican party , nominate for President , then when you fail , KILL EVERYONE!!! I will be back at our hilltop hideaway waiting patiently, naked and horny for my sweet secret agent bimbo.....You in????
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Date: Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 09:52:28 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: The Illuminadi
Subject: to the unilluminati
Message:
You poor sick fuck, is this where it's got you?
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Date: Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 15:26:27 (GMT)
From: The Illuminadi
Email: High in the Sierra Madre
To: Hal
Subject: to the unilluminati
Message:
It's a good plan ! It works for me...She's a babe , Hinkley got away with shooting Ronnie Raygun(Hit in the Brain..No collateral damage , actual improvement in his thought processes!) And well Deanne was able to sum it all up so quickly ..She sounds like the sort of woman I need for the GOP (Campaign 2000?). Hell with her insight she could well make a Presidential candidate herself...But first I must have her and make certain of her loyalty. Oh Catwoman , bring me another beer my sweet pussy....
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Date: Sat, Apr 22, 2000 at 18:10:42 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: The Illuminadi
Subject: I get it, you're the Maha , pranam Lord (nt)
Message:
sd
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Date: Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 01:09:15 (GMT)
From: The Illuminadi
Email: The Lights , John , they're coming Darling!!
To: Hal
Subject: I get it, you're the Matrix I'm a puppet !(nt)
Message:
You really are screwed up eh Hal?? Feel a whole lot better since coming here? It's blatantly obvious that I am a major crime conspirital type paranoid assassin. With a bone hard crush on my future Natural Born partner, the exceptional ' I was a teenage Vampire/Aspirant' ....Deanne. There is one thing missing here Hal,one thing . See if you can pick it.It's somewhere between Rothwell and Mission Impossible. I'm no Tom Cruise and you're no Alien!Hey Bubba ,I never inhaled and she only sucked.........
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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 21:30:11 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: A.P.
Subject: Any Exes Planning On Showing UP?
Message:
I would hope some of us will attend one or more of these events. Particularly, it would be great is an ex or two could attend the knowledge review in Miami and then report back here on how Maharaji explains techniques 1 through 4. For example, is 'holy name' (technique 3) still to be basically a fantasy about swinging in a swing with a short fat guy from India? Has it progressed to imagining riding an escalator or elevator with a short fat guy from India? The possibilities are endless and quite fascinating.

Okay, AP, so, how do I sign up to go to one of these. Can I just show up at the door? What time(s) are the 'events?'

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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 21:00:31 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: A.P.
Subject: A week's notice?? On a Tuesday??(nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 03:24:43 (GMT)
From: Jimmy Fitz
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: That's typical, but we'll be there
Message:
I've seen that kind of strange late notice and on the off day before. Have never figured out what the hell for other to really 'test' the premies.

The short notice, especially the Santa Monica makes it difficult for the West Coast Latvian contigent to effectively mass our troops, but I think that Maharaji will be in for a surprise nevertheless when we manage to show up and manage to be heard anyway.

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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 11:27:44 (GMT)
From: A.P.
Email: Anitprem@aol.com
To: Jimmy Fitz
Subject: That's typical, but we'll be there
Message:
If anybody is going to show up, please let me know. The May 4 & 6 events in Miami are going to be held at the Radison Deauville hotel. Make your room reservations now. I believe its in the napolean room. I saw something yesterday about credit card swipers for late arrivals and for donations. I think I will call the Hotel manager today and let them know they have scheduled a cult to come to their hotel. E-mail is listed, use it if I can help in anyway.
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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 14:56:21 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: A.P.
Subject: Re:Miami 4th event
Message:
AP,

Thanks, again, for the information. I looked up the hotel's website. It is the Radisson Deauville Resort at 6701 Collins Ave., no email given, but fax 305-865-8154. Please let us know when you have confirmation about the event. If the hotel is made aware that there will be leafletting in front of their hotel against a cult meeting inside, they might be very concerned. But I believe that it is customary policy for hotels to book their meeting rooms regardless of religion, race, etc., so they probably will not be able to cancel access to Elan Vital.

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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 03:12:17 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Jimmy Fitz
Subject: That's typical, but we'll be there
Message:
Are you going Jimmy?? Email JM, would you?

S

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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 11:14:01 (GMT)
From: A.P.
Email: None
To: Jimmy Fitz
Subject: That's typical, but we'll be there
Message:
They've actually been planning for a couple of months. There is an LA team that keeps forwarding the planning tools to Miami they are calling it team LA. They started building the stage over a month ago. all the way keeping everything hush hush until confirmations. They sent out a form for seats. Maybe if you fill it out and fax it to the correct person, you can get a seat. It sounds like they only want smaller crowds at this event. As soon as I get more info I will post it here. It seems strange to me that they would put a program on during the week. Is this normal? I also saw something about late arrivals and I believe they will let you enter at the door. I also didnt hear anything about the cost but I'll get that eventually too. I have the seating form but being that I am not very computer literate, I have no clue how to get it to anyone that wants it. If I can fax it to someone maybe they can be able to post the forms I have gathered? I'm lucky I know how to type. I'll keep you all posted on any additional info I get.
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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 20:24:15 (GMT)
From: AKA Godard
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: I just came accross a site for devotional music
Message:
http://www.devomuse.freewire.co.uk/index.html

Mp3 files from hard-core premies. Jim may like to add new songs to his next show.

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Date: Thurs, Apr 20, 2000 at 22:22:10 (GMT)
From: slackandsteel
Email: None
To: AKA Godard
Subject: I just came accross a site for devotional music
Message:
I checked this out and actually liked the tune 'Oh My Life' from Infinite Way. Good vocals by Mill Dawson and very nice lead guitar work from Kevin Wade.

The stuff from Robert Sedgwick and his band LifeLine was terrible.

I found something on the site under 'What's New' that I found very interesting (I quote):

'This site will be closing down soon due to lack of appreciation and interest from anyone (well not quite but nearly!). We tried. You didn't listen. What's new!'

And here's the really interesting part:

'Thanks to all those premies that loved the music, and no thanks to EV, etc who surprised us all with their hostility.'

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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 22:54:26 (GMT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: AKA Godard
Subject: Yecchhhhhh!
Message:
AKA: Oh, puuullleeeeeeezzzzz! If 'Rob' the musician is the Robert Sedgwick(?) ...ahem ... composer, then he missed the mark that he promised. THAT stuff is AWFUL! It sounds like the crap that comes out on Pray-TV. Lifeless, meaningless, tripe!

Excuse me, while I go and barf..... :-(

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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 19:12:56 (GMT)
From: AKA Godfather
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: I think I even may have a video left behind by
Message:
I think I even may have a video left behind by ex-wife for kid's spirituality. How much is it worth? To me? Not much. Want it? By luck, me lads got interested in swedish flicks instead and I let them drag me into it. Much more spiritual if you ask me. Less damaging as well.
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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 19:04:49 (GMT)
From: AKA Pope
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Claire Tremblay
Message:
Is she still a premie?
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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 20:18:07 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: AKA Pope
Subject: Claire Tremblay
Message:
I don't know but she sure liked to be pampered (in the name of service) by the ashram sisters!
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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 23:02:43 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: Claire Tremblay
Message:
Hi AKA,

Boy, you've had a busy day here! Good for you!!

Regarding Claire. As you know she used to be an instructor.
Following her stint as an instructor she moved back to Montreal.
One day on her way to 'videos', she was savagely beaten by a gang of thugs.(This happened sometime around 1992) She was left with slight brain damage, but has done really well in her recovery since.

She had written to m, to inform him about her condition. He didn't even bother replying. I believe she may still be waiting for an answer from him. I heard from Anne Johnston that this has left Claire slightly disaffected with her 'master', who may not even be her master anymore.

In any case, there IS a happy ending to the story. The last I spoke to Claire, instead of singing the praises of Maharaji...she was singing the praises of her husband.
She sounded very happy, as if she had finally found the love and comfort that she was always looking for.

I have her phone number and I'll be in touch with you soon.

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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 19:00:50 (GMT)
From: AKA Buster
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: When is the next function in Montréal?
Message:
I thought the idea of making www.ex-premies.org known there is mighty swell.

Asking about Jagdeo is good also. What is the story? Just allegations or something more substantial?

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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 23:37:22 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: AKA Buster
Subject: When is the next function in Montréal?
Message:
To find out more about Jagdeo, please go to the 'Journeys' section on the site, and read the journey by 'G's Mom.'

There's also a section on this issue in Sir Dave's 'The Truth About Maharaji' page.

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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 18:57:36 (GMT)
From: AKA Mind-your-business
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Jean-Paul Saint-Laurent
Message:
From Ottawa. Where is he now?
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 00:02:28 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: AKA Mind-your-business
Subject: Jean-Paul Saint-Laurent
Message:
All I know is that in 1996 he was still in Ottawa, and still a premie.
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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 18:55:15 (GMT)
From: AKA Zézette
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Amory Leclair
Message:
Know where he is?
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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 02:49:51 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: AKA Zézette
Subject: Sure, he's in Ottawa
Message:
I talked to him a few months ago. Gave him credit for being a mouthy little quasi-devotee back when I was a full-blown ashram freak. He's still playing music, still married to Carmen. Their daughter goes to school out here and I'm hoping to see them when they come out for her graduation this year.
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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 18:53:18 (GMT)
From: AKA Jean-Paul
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Susan Butcher
Message:
Where is Susan Butcher now?
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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 23:45:11 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: AKA Jean-Paul
Subject: Susan Butcher
Message:
Why? Do you miss her? :::)))

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Seriously I don't know, and I think I could happily live WITHOUT that knowledge for the rest of my life.

Catch ya later.

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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 23:43:08 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: AKA Jean-Paul
Subject: Didn't She Follow Bal Bahgwan Ji? (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 23:50:23 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Now come to think about it....
Message:
...I think I may have heard that she was following Satpal as well, but I'm really not all that sure.
Sheesh. It's bugging me now.
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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 15:27:22 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: What about this Video project? JM (again)??
Message:
JM, I've been trying to drag you into this discussion about putting up a few video clips on your page. Daneane is ready and willing to make a couple from LOTU. The next question is if there's anyone in the states who can send her a copy. (As a last resort I'll send one from here but packages take forever to cross the border here and sometimes get lost. If no one volunteers a copy over the next few days I'll get another one made and will send it.)

So what's what, JM? Don't a few video clips sound great?

And what clips should they be? Anyone? I'm thinking something from the press conference where the guru fell apart like a cross between the Littler Prince and Richie Rich is a must. Dancing like Krishna's another. The holy family should all get their little clips too.... really, the mind reels.

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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 20:36:49 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: Daneaneg@earthlink.net
To: Jim
Subject: Project
Message:
I think there is a lot to this idea of Jim's. The only limitation I can see is file size. I have two different editing programs and can embellish any image. I can go from a VCR into my iMac and as well, from audio tape to VCR to Computer.

I can add pictures to just audio or audio to just pictures...looks like it be a lot of fun. I can also copy CD tracks to file. I can also do slideshows within a movie with various pict or jpg files.

I can make small movies to play upon opening of a page, or larger ones to download. I would think we could also do links if storage is a problem. I have a ton of space over at Mac.com

Whatever your idea, I think it is pretty likely to make it happen.

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Date: Wed, Apr 19, 2000 at 02:42:21 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: A good copy of LOTU has been found!
Message:
Daneane,

Someone in your neck of the woods has a good, clean copy. I'm sending you her email so you two can make arrangements. Groovy!

Jim

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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 20:34:32 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Hey, I'm not online all the time !!!!!!!!
Message:
Great ....... whatever you get together !!!!!!

Looks like you've become an artist !

I've been quite busy these days, and didn't read all the posts .....

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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 19:53:10 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Jim
Subject: The slit their throats scene and Renee
Message:
Renee Davis going off about the swan styled bathroom faucets in the hotel (what was the name?) that Maharaji stayed in.
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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 19:24:45 (GMT)
From: AKA The General
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I got a few 'WHO'S GMJ?' stickers.
Message:
Does anyone collect artefacts. These are authentic 1973 originals I used to stick on elevator's doors. I'd trade each for a e-copy of a series of pictures from the era.
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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 18:45:06 (GMT)
From: Boris AKA (Also known as)
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: What about this Video project? JM (again)??
Message:
I must have a collection of audio-cassettes from the 70's do you want them?
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Date: Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 00:03:48 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Boris AKA (Also known as)
Subject: What about this Video project? JM (again)??
Message:
The problem is there is no lack of these materials.

I even have tapes that EV would pay a lot to have them back .... unofficial conference tapes, etc I don't know who even dared record this!!!

But who want to work on this? Editing, digitalizing all this boring stuff ....

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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 16:27:11 (GMT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: GOD is a MUST!
Message:
A clip showing the neon GOD sign behind Maharaji is a must for this project. Now where did we get the idea that Maharaji was God.......????

John.

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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 19:17:24 (GMT)
From: AKA skeptic
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: GOD is a MUST!
Message:
I want it. Gimme, gimme, gimme...
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Date: Tues, Apr 18, 2000 at 19:14:29 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Wasn't that on last year's Channel 4 documentary?
Message:
Hi John,

Wasn't that on last year's Channel 4 documentary? Now I wonder how to get a copy of that?

PS did you get my email with my address? A loan of that LOTU video would be much appreciated (I will of course re-imburse any expenses incurred).

Best wishes,

Chris

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