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Date: Sun, Apr 26, 1998 at 07:40:17 (EST)
From: Sir David Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: EB Subject: Self abuse Message: Dear EB, I tried to post this in response to your message below but it didn't work. So I've posted it up here. There was a lot of what you experienced, happening to other people too. Such things were too often pushed into the backround. Now is the time and place where such things can be spoken of. My self abuse was in direct consequence to what I'd been fed by M and his many minions. I used to walk around saying to myself - no you CAN'T do that because Maharaji forbids it! I would drive myself crazy and the hatred that I felt towards a regime that dictated to me in most insidious ways, that hatred was turned against myself in the end. You know it's bizarre to think that when M was giving heavy satsang to premies about having normal human needs and desires, and turning us into guilt ridden mental cases, all the time he was leading a totally hedonistic lifestyle. What a hypocrite! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Apr 26, 1998 at 17:43:23 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: Sir David Subject: Self abuse Message: Dear David, While my daughters and I were watching A&E's Biography of Charles Manson this morning, we got to talking about charisma and cults. I asked their opinions of how anyone (specifically me) could be recruited into a cult and actually believe the leader to be the Lord of the Universe. My 21-year old daughter suggested that I was 'simple' and 'idealistic.' My 13-year old opined that I had been 'brainwashed.' I often joke that mental health is highly overrated; but the motivation behind my statement is envy. My friends who have never followed a guru, been homeless, or experienced the 'dark night of the soul' repeatedly, marvel at how strong I am. I'm not really; I'm just doing what needs to be done while simultaneously cleaning up the wreckage of my past. In an attempt to avoid dealing with the abuse I experienced as a child, I bought into Maharaji's world. He promised the superhighway to enlightenment. Don't examine the garbage as you take it out, right? Just go straight to heaven; no muss no fuss. However victims of abuse, children of alcoholics and religious fanatics, and those suffering from mental illness are time bombs. On the lighter side, I have a question for everyone. Lately, since I've been reading the forum fairly consistently, I've noticed my meditation experiences deepening. I don't actually sit and do techniques (except for following my breath when I do yoga or get upset). But this morning I woke up to find myself merged in the light. The music was really loud! Didn't get the taste of nectar or post-nasal drip. But I was definitely There, if you know what I mean. Does this happen to anyone else or should I up my medication? Love to all, eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Apr 26, 1998 at 20:24:13 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: eb Subject: Self abuse Message: I envy you your meditation experience! I have had an opposite reaction since leaving M in January. My ability to meditate has gone away. It's simply becaue I am so brainwashed into thinking the meditation has smething to do with M, that now every time I try to do it, I start telling myself I can't because I don't belong anymore. I hope to get over this. so, enjoy it. You deserve to have the experience. Everyone does. Maybe I can find some other techniques. There are many. M just picked those. Actually running has been a good substitute but it doesn't fit with the spiritual concepts. I wonder how many ex's had eb's experience and how many had mine? As for how you became a candidate for cultism, I wouldn't feel alone. All types seem to get hooked these days. Back in the '70's I think a large majority did have a similar profile, young, abused or neglected, lost insecure, etc.. I was one of them. but in the 90's I think the demographics are smaller in number but larger in diversity. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Apr 26, 1998 at 20:51:19 (EST)
From: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Selena Subject: Self abuse Message: Maybe given enough time your experience will become your own rather than you having to shut it down while straightening out the context that it takes place in. I've had strong 'meditation' experiences for years before I found this site. It was one of the reasons I did a web search in the first place. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 10:26:12 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: Selena Subject: My experience Message: Selena: Am I the only person in the world who had negative experiences meditating? One reason that I left the ashram was that I was having very unsettling, unpleasant, and basically negative experiences in meditation. I took very seriously the order to constantly meditate. I really thought that there was some other state that one was supposed to break through to, like, MERGE with the LORD or something. I've tried to describe this before, the only way I can describe what happened to me was 'blacking out', I would be meditating, sitting there fully upright, and then suddenly I would realize I had no idea how long I had been meditating. 10 hrs, or 2 minutes, I would not have a clue. Now that might sound kind of harmless, but the feeling I had was awful, I just felt dead and stupid. Like I was trying to merge with nothingness, emptiness. For months I told myself, hang in there, be strong, have faith, etc. All the guru would ever say was how beautiful and simple it was. So, I finally just couldn't take it anymore and I left. My gut feeling was suddenly just the opposite of what it had been for the last 10 years. My instincts were telling me that there was NO secret connection with the guru, the so called link to grace was totally imaginary. Then when I left, for several weeks I had very conflicting feelings. On the one hand, I felt reborn, like I had thrown a monkey off my back and was free again. Free to feel the grace of life without attributing it to The Guru. But also, I just felt so weak, like I wanted to give up and go back and fall at the feet of the guru and have him take care of me forever and ever etc. I can easily see why people kill themselves after leaving a cult. But those wierd, helpless feelings really only lasted a few weeks, and then gradually I felt more and more normal and sane again. The real advantage to leaving the guru is that I was able to resume my personal relationship with that force that is responsible for life. The guru corrupted that relationship. What do I mean? Well, for one thing, his ridiculous command to constantly meditate. The only reason I was having such bad experiences meditating was that I was doing it too much. Moderation in all things applies also to meditating. Being aware of the silence or energy within is one of the pleasures of being human. Why did the guru make it into such a wierd trip? Anyway, hang in there Selena, you'll find your balance. John Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 13:11:17 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: John Subject: My experience Message: Hi John I never had those heavy experiences like feeling like I was going too far away, or kind of blacking out - at least not without chemical help :-) But, I didn't have to go through the ashram and I only had a few months where I really did the MDR dose of meditation. What I miss is just sitting down and going inside, breathing and feeling where it takes me. I don't miss mutilating my eyeballs. I just want to be able to relax and shut down once in a while. This experience I seek exists without mediation, at least in the way M taught it. I know because I still have felt it. If it didn't then we would all have suffocated from all those rotten vegies piling up inside. Thanks for the encouragement Brian. When the good ole Catholic guilt wears off I'm sure I'll be receptive again. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 15:37:51 (EST)
From: David Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: John Subject: My experience Message: I've experienced that meditation, because of its nature to alter the consciousness, can have an unsettling effect sometimes. It's not all bliss. But my experience since leaving Maharaji's world of ashrams and constant service is that any unsettling effects of meditation that occasionally occur are just a minor irritation. I remember that when in the ashram, I thought I would go completely crazy sometimes because of the complete lack of support for human beings in there! Because try as I did, I could not make myself IN-human. It's a myth that you can use meditation to satisfy all human needs. This myth was perpretrated in ashrams and the ironic thing was in the ashrams I lived in, I was critisised for trying to meditate too much. Service to M was considered to be of primary importance. Humans are not meant to live in such an alien enviroment. Living in a more human enviroment now, meditation is like an old friend to me. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 16:44:26 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: David Subject: My experience Message: I think of the ashrams as being a failed experiment of M's. One reason for the in-human behavior was the lack of clear direction from the guru. He had thousands of premies trusting him with their lives, and he really had no clue as to what to do with us, other than to tell us to do satsang, service, and meditation. Meditation is the kind of thing that is worthless if you're in a position to REALLY need it; that is if you are seriously freaked out, then meditation is of no use at all. For instance, if I am very angry or upset, it's absurd to even try and sit down and close my eyes and follow my breath. It can only be of use to me if I am already fairly peaceful and together. IMHO. And that's where the guru's direction was totally lacking. I don't ever remember him addressing, for instance, the problem of anger and what to do about it. I'm glad I can laugh about this now because it really is sad and hysterically funny to think that I entrusted my life to that guy. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 18:40:27 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: John Subject: My experience Message: Hi John, Well put! You said: 'Meditation is the kind of thing that is worthless if you're in a position to REALLY need it; that is if you are seriously freaked out, then meditation is of no use at all.' This has been my experience as well. I tried using meditation to control panic attacks, but to no avail. I would be crying and chanting 'Please God help me' over and over again for hours. Meditation was out of the question. And if I doubted Maharaji, I wasn't practicing knowledge correctly. Once I met with John Horton to deal with the ennui I was experiencing. He said I wasn't devoted enough; I needed to meditate more and *really* surrender. Wasn't he a real doctor? Seems like he would've figured out that I was clinically depressed. Oh well, bitch, bitch, bitch. That was a long time ago. I'm so grateful it's over! eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 10:39:34 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: eb Subject: My experience Message: Dear eb, John, et al, I would have agreed with you about meditation not helping when you are in crisis mode just a few months ago but I had the opposite experience that showed me it is possible for meditation to help in those situations. I was totally flipped out. I was working my 2nd job and Jade had just started track and I went home at lunch, a 20 min drive each way, to take the dogs out. It was still to cold to keep them in the outside coop. The puppy is in a crate when she is inside and no one is home as she gets into trouble. Well she had shit in that crate and I was shocked that she had rolled in it and it was all over her. I had 20 min to take the dogs out, wash Fable, the puppy, wash the crate and stoke up the fire as that is our only heat source. It put me over the edge big time. I got back to work and sat in the bathroom for over an hour meditating. I thought I'd have a stroke if I didn't settle down and knowing I had the time helped a lot. I ended up feeling peaceful and went off to job 2 no worse for wear. At that point I saw meditation as my ONLY way out of how I was feeling. I think when I tried it in a crisis situation before I was into being upset or angry or whatever and didn't really want to let go of the feeling I had but this was different for some reason. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 21:36:03 (EST)
From: bobby Email: bobby2@mindspring.com To: John Subject: My experience Message: >>>>Meditation is the kind of thing that is worthless if you're in a position to REALLY need it; that is if you are seriously freaked out, then meditation is of no use at all. Actually, there have been times when I've been able to decompress from anger or other negative passions with meditation. There have been times in my life when I've been really freaked out. Somehow, I seemed to slip into a type of 'bare attention' or existential mode. The phenomena I perceived externally were really freaky. I shifted to an awareness that all occurrences were just pure phenomena, the occurrences by themselves neutral, or beyond good or bad. One of these periods was about 4 years ago when I worked at a state mental institution. The nurse there was really intense, a real tyrant. I hated being there and hated going in each day. Working for the state, I got breaks every couple hours. On my break I would go into the coat room, located at the center of the ward. I made me a little meditation space under some shelves. I managed to have some *really beautiful' meditations there, right amidst the winds of negative energies. I'd actually go into states of bliss. I started a 'relaxation group' for the patients. I would teach folks a relaxing breath, would play some beautiful music, and sometimes do a little guided meditation. Folks like it. Today I conducted a seminar on 'Madness and Spirituality' for a special conference of churches and people with disabilities. There were some really beautiful moments. Especially touching was when a quadruplegic, who could hardly talk at all, spoke of how he's been practicing TM meditation for 30 years. Some of us were in tears. We were speaking of deep spiritual experience, and he said, in a strident voice, 'I want more!' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 22:47:42 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: John Subject: My experience or lack thereof Message: Interesting to read Bobby say he was actually able to use meditation to calm down in an intense experience. I would have to agree with you John , meditation is somewhat useless to me unless I am already semi ok. But I do understand how it could work for bobby, I guess we are all different. The reason I can understand him is that the one time when meditation does or did work for me is in cases of PHYSICAL pain. If it's emotional or panic forget it. But if something is physically over the top, something where I know I can't get any drugs or help for pain and I just have to get through it then the meditation works, or used to work until I started this silly guilt thing. I fell in the desert a few years ago and scraped all the layers of skin from part of my leg. I had to walk about 1/2 mile to the truck and meditating is what got me through. It just doesn't work on the psyche or emotions at all for me. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 12:06:02 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: Selena Subject: My experience or lack thereof Message: Hi Selena, *Warning--this message includes a discussion on childbirth* Yes, yes, yes. Meditation for physical pain is the best! I had 4 natural childbirths utilizing meditation. I would focus on each contraction and my breath so intently that I felt that I was peaking (as on acid or in an orgasm) when the contractions peaked. I got to a level of consciousness where everything was light. It was high and holy. One doctor said that women should not see me giving birth because I made it look too easy. I experienced oneness with creation, the universe, the whole magilla. I jokingly tell people that I had so many kids because I had my best meditations in childbirth, but it's true! I'm sort of looking forward to death because I have a feeling it will be similar. Life/death, coming/going, pleasure/pain, yin/yang, etc. (yes, I know I'm a strange bird; I have come to accept it and laugh a lot). With love, eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 12:33:05 (EST)
From: bobby Email: bobby2@mindspring.com To: eb Subject: primal experiences Message: I believe I know what you are talking about here eb. I truly feel I know what it is to die. I've had some very primal experiences in my life, including a powerful spontaneous shamanic journey that preceded an actual physical near-death experience (I fell three stories and landed on my head). Even though I am in the body of a man, I relate very strongly to female energies and on the basis of some very powerful psychic experiences have a deep feeling that I know what it is like to give birth. I was present at the birth of my two kids and of course while I was the not the actual physical expressor of childbirth, I had experiences of 'high empathy'. The deepest and 'most real' primal experience I have had was my NDE. The subsequent full-blown visionary experiences I had were also very primal. The NDE had a more profoundly 'real' quality to it, while the visions were more dreamlike. I might add that my everyday waking consciousness is also quite dreamlike. Of course I am a strange bird as well, but I offer these perspectives most sincerely. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 18:42:34 (EST)
From: Scott T. Email: None To: bobby Subject: primal experiences Message: Bobby & eb: (I fell three stories and landed on my head) This is a little off topic but boy, did that bring back memories. In the first grade my cousin and I found that we could climb the stairs in the cloak room and dive off the top landing onto our heads. It was so great because we knew we were sort of defying death, and we saw stars to boot! Of course, the fact that we weighed almost nothing probably helped us survive. I remember doing it about ten times, until the teacher caught us and almost had a heart attack. My cousin's name was Bobby, by the way. I don't think there was anything he wouldn't try at least once. I always let him take the first shot, just in case. -Scott Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 12:48:19 (EST)
From: Selena , bobby Email: None To: eb Subject: My experience or lack thereof Message: Having been through natural childbirth I know exactly what you are saying eb. for me it has something to do with the fact that I had absolutely no choice but to meditate. and once I did get into it there was so much energy and I saw light. This was while I was in labor and months before I received K, someone touched my 'third eye' and this big window of put white light opened up inside and I felt an overwhelming rush of love. Who knows what that is? I know what premies would call it. This shows that you don't need M, in fact I have never had such a profound experience since including the K session. Along the same lines, I worked in hospice and home care for a while and was around 2 deaths, and it really is the same energy. Pretty amazing. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 14:48:12 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: Selena , bobby Subject: My experience or lack thereof Message: Both of your posts touched me. Bobby, I know what you mean--the meditation experiences I have (whether I try to get there or when it just comes and gets me) seem more real than my waking life. Selena, I am attracted to working in hospice care. Heard a Rabbi the other day speaking about how powerful it is, so I got inspired again. (She had quite a halo, I must say). I need to stay in the marketplace a bit longer to get some of these offspring thru college first. But I sense a calling. eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 23:26:06 (EST)
From: billdha Email: None To: eb Subject: wake up and smell the karma! Message: Hospice can be brutal. Depends on your detatchment and or your reasonings that 'they are happier now'. Since everyone has a hidden breath-ometer, we dont know who has the fewest left to go in the people around us, just like JW was saying about last year or the year befor he lost his brother,cousin, and father! Yipes. You can get the immediacy of the moment by concentration of focus and keeping an awareness of the greatness of being alive. Of course, being a women, I am wasteing my time telling you anything spiritually oriented. Of course the rabbi had an experience! He is a man! If you had behaved last lifetime you wouldnt be in this mess. Try and get it together, and soon, otherwise buddha will have to put you in a womens body again! Oh Ive gone and wasted more spiritual talk on you. You women ARE devious! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 12:59:20 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: billdha Subject: wake up and smell the karma! Message: Dearest billdha, I must've been hoodwinked (again)! The rabbi was female, I swear to Bob (as my 6-year old says. We aren't sure who Bob is). Having been raised a Mormon, I accepted my fate early on: no Priesthood for me. Gotta get attached to a MAN to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. (Couldn't quite reconcile this point with my fantasies of being crucified with Christ or drawn and quartered. Stop the presses, I'm having a memory. I used to fantasize that I was a female Joseph Smith and was polygamous. Ah, the mental illness emerged quite young in my case). Devious by choice, eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 13:47:06 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: eb Subject: wake up and smell the karma! Message: Dear eb, What's good for the goose.... Robyn PS Kids say the darndest things! I was just remembering, as I always do when the lawn mower comes out of hiding that my youngest use to say I was 'yowing the mone'. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 16:22:07 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Kids say the darndest things Message: That's so funny, Robyn. A few days ago, I was upstairs reading the Forum while my two youngest were downstairs bickering as usual. Every so often my 13-year old daughter would call up to me complaining about her 6-year old brother, asking me to make him stop doing whatever he was doing to annoy her. Finally, she yells, 'Mom, he's patronizing me!!!' I'm still cracking up about this one, but maybe you had to be there for this to be funny. I have found the 'darndest things kids say' to be just about the best part of parenthood. I wish I had written everything down over the years because my memory is shot. Robyn, are you writing kids' funny comments in your book? eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 11:48:00 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: eb Subject: Kids say the darndest things Message: Dear eb, Good morning eb, I hope you see this before it is gone inactive. I thought that was leg slapping funny! I have known a few parents who get SO into trying to figure out EXACTLY what is going on in the ongoing kid fights. I always referred to them as 'kid shit' although they can sometimes make you laugh! I hadn't thought about putting funny kids sayings in the book but it is a good thought, maybe some stories that include some of these things. My oldest always said everything correctly, the smart little shit so I just have Jade and other kids to get material from. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 08:44:53 (EST)
From: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: John Subject: My experience Message: I think of the ashrams as being a failed experiment of M's. Many people here have said something similar to this. But Maharaji inherited the cult from his father and ashrams etc were already an institutional part of the package. He did away with them in the West, in my view, not because they had 'failed', but because they brought him more trouble than they did personal enrichment. They certainly weren't closed for the benefit of the people who were tossed out onto the street while still paying off the bills incurred. Indian law may allow anyone to open an ashram without assuming liability for the welfare of the people living there, but Western societies view things differently. Churches sponsoring convents and monasteries are expected to provide for the security of the inhabitants and foot the bill for their food, housing, medical expenses, retirement, etc. Maharaji dumped the ashrams when it became apparent that they were going to cost him in the long-run. He hasn't found darshan, service, or donating one's money to him to be failed experiements since they either enrich him or flatter him. He is motivated by ego and cash - and in that order, since the second serves the first. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 09:17:19 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: Brian Subject: My experience Message: Brian: Well, we may be getting into semantics. His Dad was never in the west, so it seems to me that M established ashrams in the west and so they were HIS project, experiment, whatever. And I wager he established them without 'thinking' a whole lot about it. Hey, btw does the perfect master ever think? I used to 'think' that the perfect master was beyond 'thinking'. He was on automatic, whatever the hell that meant. Although, I think there is a case to be made for M's actions and activities indicating that in fact he never did think much about what he was doing and the effect it would have. Then when he finally did get around to thinking about what it really meant to have thousands of people surrenduring their lives to him, he got rid of them. Of course, the alternate view is that the ashram premies failed. We did not surrender in as complete a manner as was required and hence M had to get rid of them, for our own good of course. Right! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 21:23:10 (EST)
From: bobby Email: bobby2@mindspring.com To: David Subject: My experience Message: I agree that meditation is no substitute for human emotions. I see human emotions as important aspects of life experience. I've worked with my emotions, attempted to come to terms with them, as part of my developmental work. I see meditation as a very effective device to experience spiritual contexts, what I consider as completely valid and authentic dimensions of experience. Just as there are many techniques, there are many experiences available in meditation. I've often experienced deep relaxation, but I've also been energized with meditation. The most compelling experiences were those experiences wherein I touched upon deep spirit, sometimes, the peace that passes all understanding. I can easily understand how people can be disappointed with meditation, or even think it has 'bad effects'. To me, the bad effects are probably contexts dependent on states of awareness that a particular person holds as valuable. Meditation to me is a most powerful and precious gift. I haven't practiced 'knowledge' per se for many years but instead primarily meditate on the breath. I also do Buddhist Mantra at times. And I pray. Maharaji does not strike me as a 'meditation master'. Doesn't seem he practices. But I don't care. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 01:43:58 (EST)
From: David Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: bobby & Selena Subject: My experience Message: Since leaving the M cult I've enjoyed experimenting with the techniques and practising them very differently to how M teaches. I was amazedby one discovery I made when I decided, after a period of not meditating to just practise the four techniques but for only five minutes each. Total 20 minutes formal meditation. I was most surprised to find that by just doing this once a day I was getting really high! The fact that I only gave 5 minutes per technique meant that I could concentrate really well on the technique. Contary to what I'd previously done, I was not putting off meditation because of the interminable length of time I felt I had to sit. It was easy to sit for just 20 minutes and no big deal. After a while I found myself naturally meditating for longer on my favourite techniques. I see it thus: If meditation is a chore where you dread sitting down for an hour that seems like an eternity then you aren't going to get anything from it. For me that means sitting down and tensing up for an hour. But if I only do extended meditation on a technique because I'm getting into it, then such a practise is relaxing and rewarding. And if I can't hack it that day, it doesn't matter because I can easily sit for 20 minutes. I now call my meditation 'relaxation therapy' because it is far removed from how it used to be with the old ways. It takes on a totally different perspective when it's something I'm just doing to relax myself. A long, long way away from the old trip. That's the way I like it. It's mine to do whatever I like with. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 17:12:01 (EST)
From: Still Crazy Email: None To: David Subject: My experience Message: Since leaving the M cult I've enjoyed experimenting with the techniques and practising them very differently to how M teaches. Starting about 2 or 3 months after I received Knowledge I basically stopped using the techniques completely. I found them to be distracting in general, although I do use the light technique (now the First Technique, BTW) occasionally, though I don't apply any pressure to my eyeballs. At first I used to meditate about 6 hours a day, usually in 2 or 3 blocks. After I began having to work for a living I had to cut down to about two 1.5 hour blocks. But I would never meditate longer than I felt like, and never used a clock. Also, I virtually always meditated lying down on my back rather than sitting up. One thing I've been pondering on lately is why I attributed my experiences for more than 25 years to 'Maharaji's Knowledge' when I basically never did it the way he told me. I guess it's because the meditation experiences I had were the ones he had described: I saw light just like I had when I had used the Light Technique, I heard music just like when I was using the Music Technique (actually both of these had happened to me before I received K), and it was actually M himself who taught me to perceive The Word. I have never experienced Nectar, and don't like the technique. It makes my tongue hurt. So I attributed my experiences to 'what he had revealed to me.' But I never put any stock in what he said about how long to meditate, or in what order. In fact, I often see light, hear music and feel the word all at the same time. Maybe that's why I have no problem continuing with meditation even though I have left M: it was really my own path all along. -Still Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 13:05:11 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: Selena Subject: Self abuse Message: Hi Selena, I think I know what you mean: As an ex-premie, when I initially started having the light/music/holy-name-buzz (for lack of a better description), I connected it to Maharaji. But I would immediately try to shake that connection off and enjoy it for itself. I've spent many hours doing trance-work (I think hypnotherapy is *wonderful*), yoga and other techniques that 'get me There.' So now I generally don't equate the experience and Maharaji. But I did again yesterday, and it was wierd. It must be that conditioning I/we underwent--hours and hours of satsang, service, meditation, arti--no wonder it's still so strong. Stop the presses, I just remembered something (my memory is shot, so this is quite an event). After I started getting rebirthed, going sufi dancing, doing yoga, and participating in new age group functions which also got me There, I went back to see Maharaji and was horribly disappointed. I was so used to people being very open and loving. The premies generally seemed really stiff, selfish, inwardly focused, and cold. I think that was when I started drifting away. Probably around '88. There seemed to be more love at an AA convention or in a looney bin. eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 13:17:23 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: eb Subject: Self abuse Message: Dear eb It's a relief to read that someone else's experience of premies is not so positive. A lot of people here mention how nice they think premies are and how much love they felt when they were around them. I think this has something todo with the fact that many of the ex premies posting haven't closely interacted with premies for quite some time. We were all a lot different 20 years ago. I agree they are rigid as heck and not so great to be around. Geez, I keep thinking of the poor shuttle driver in LB who got his head bit off for circling the airport one too many times, then had to listen to how beautiful dya looked on stage, and how powerful this experience is, blah blah. He was so quiet and polite. We should be asking him HIS secret! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 18:09:07 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Selena Subject: Self abuse Message: Selena, your experience with meditation sounds very similar to mine. When I left the cult, I was feeling so betrayed, conflicted, etc., and I was so indoctrinated to equate meditation with Guru Maharaj Ji, that I found meditation very unpleasant. Gradually, I found I could do it again if I wanted to, and that I no longer equated it with M. But, what I found is that I replaced meditation with other things, like you said, that aren't conceptually 'spiritual,' as I was feeling decidedly anti-spiritual at the time. Running and rock climbing, especially running, I found incredibly meditative, because so much is involved with the breath. Rock climbing requires such concentration, that is provided me a similar experience. And I still can focus on my breath at various other times, but not in a 'formal' meditation position. I follow my breath and I get this sensation in my chest, that feels like what I used to call a 'rush' when I got stoned as a teenager. It's a great 'live' feeling, and it's the one in the cult that I attributed to Maharaji, when he said you could go insided and BE with HIM. But now I know what a lie that is. I'm experiencing my own life force and there is an ecstatic experience that comes with that. You just don't need to attribute, in my opinion, a lot of spiritual mumbo jumbo to it. It's the most simple and natural thing there is. But, as John said, as soon as somebody like M says something really stupid, like you are SUPPOLSED to experience it ALL the time, or that it's some kind of experience of another being (i.e. HIM!), it gets all fucked up and becomes a negative thing. That's partly why M is so despicable. He takes a very natural, normal experience, and sticks himself in the middle of it for his own advantage. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 13:57:28 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: everyone Subject: meditation Message: Thanks everyone for all the tips on meditation. It's encouraging to know that if I demystify it and don't try to do it for so long each time the experience will be there. M doesn't deserve even my negative stuff like guilt. I can find someplace else for that no doubt. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 14:39:57 (EST)
From: Anon Email: None To: Selena,JW etc Subject: meditation Message: I just wanted to add my voice to those who have said that they found that the association of Maharaji with medition made it hard to carry on with it when disillusionment with M set in. I personally found that it was still a pleasant experience to meditate after a few years. I have not returned to the rigid practise which M advocates (which I suspect serves well as a control trip) I just do it when and if I feel like it. Most premies appear to do the same, not rigidly practising, (except the maniacal ones). I suppose they carry some guilt about it, or maybe they just ignore M's suggestions to do it so religiously. I think it can be helpful at first to exersize self-discipline in such matters but to flog yourself into the ground with it, and to be come so totally dependant on it seems wrong. Besides it just becomes an addictive anaesthetic just like any drug. You only have to look at some of these premies who are walking examples of denial and arrested development to see the warning signs. Selena is right, premies are some of the most uptight people you could ever meet. Often however, underneath the surface they are really very needy, sensitive people. It's just that they have been intimidated into following a rigid path which leaves them no room to be natural and warm, honest humans. It's very sad indeed. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 16:42:09 (EST)
From: Still Crazy Email: None To: Selena Subject: Self abuse Message: I still meditate every day. It's hard for me to imagine a time will come when this will not be so. -Still Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Apr 26, 1998 at 21:39:40 (EST)
From: David Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: eb Subject: Self abuse Message: Interesting that you should say that your experiences have deepened since reading the forum. So have mine. Last year Bobby and a guy called Mike gave talked quite a bit about meditation and I began to do it more often. I'm back to doing it less often at the moment but I still keep getting deep experiences now and then. Selena, I know what you mean in your post. However, taking Maharaji out of the equation does eventually deepen any experience you have from meditation or from just living. This really does happen although it takes some faith in yourself or God Himself, if you believe He exists. After all, meditation is just you experiencing you. We were programmed to believe that M caused the experience of ourself! Other gurus do this trick. You know, EB in her waking up experience is probably experiencing more than M is experiencing. In my life, I know there are always people who need my help. This might sound like some simplistic Christian type way of thinking but I've found that it's now an automatic thing that's happening. Because whatever you feel you have to show. When old Jesus said something about what you do for someone, you do for Him, well that's really true, I've found. This opens up a far broader picture than M ever painted. Your God is here with you now and will walk with you, with all the love that He has. The friend that you help, the child that you give your time and attention to and the love that you give to those closest to you and those furthest from you - all of this now becomes part of the equation. ANd how do we know this is true? Because if you just go out on a limb a little bit you'll soon see that there's some fantastic loving spirit there. Man, you can feel it and it will talk to you with the language of love that is His only language. I've found that the loving spirit is there regardless of meditation. He would never lay down such conditions. You only have to ask Him for His help and you soon realise how much He loves you. Sometimes I feel that He is loving other people, through me. Perhaps then I have just a glimpse of what a wonderous being He is. No rules, no dogma and no religion too. However we try to approach Him, His love will reach us. Of that I am sure. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 08:52:39 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: David Subject: Self abuse Message: Dear David, It strikes me that I feel/belive/try to live everything your post says except that I can't think of god as an 'individual'. I don't know if that makes sence to you. I mentioned feeling that god is really like an 'energy' or maybe a better term is a 'life force' with almost a physical presence and that force is love. I have a friend who says I really have to 'get right with god' but I can't force it. It is somehow peaceful to read about your experiences and how you incorporate them into your life. I wonder how you feel about my having a similar experience without linking it to god. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 12:49:31 (EST)
From: David Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: Robyn Subject: Self abuse Message: I don't think anyone has the authority or the knowledge of you to tell you to get it right with God, Robyn. What a strange thing to say to you. I don't think it matters what you experience or don't experience God to be. I remember that Bobby used to talk about God as being a female, or something like that. If you say that you perceive an energy then I certainly wouldn't argue with that. I know that I don't understand God myself so I'm not in a position to say much. What I'd call God is a loving thing that is bigger than me. Something completely non judgemental. I also agree that there is no need to bring God into this. For want of better words to illustrate things, I have mentioned God but I do realise that word association can immediately conjure up an image in the readers mind of a God that is not the God I'm talking about. Difficult to put words to things sometimes. Is God just an imaginary friend like children have? He could be. What I really mean by God is something a little different. It's a spirit (for want of a better word) that's in all people and things. That's what I mean. When I share love with a person of any kind then I perceive that as being the loving spirit I was talking about. Perhaps I'm completely off the wall but it seems to make sense to me. I think the loving spirit is a two way thing. I need to receive as well as to give. I'm not a selfless saint, after all. I perceive a certain omnipresent, loving spirit (OK you could call it energy) and I call it God. A humanist might call it the sum total of human kindness and a witch could call it the spirit of Mother Earth. Anyway, I'm sure you haven't got to get something together with God. Who ever said that to you was using the heavy perspective which I know M uses plus other religions. There's nothing to get together, I'm sure. Life goes on and we grow and evolve at our own natural pace. Unfortunately, religions teach us that there's something wrong with us. That there's something we have to do to make amends. This is what I've understood: the opposite is true. Putting it in simple language, we are God's children in whom He is well pleased. Sounds too good to be true doesn't it. You mean He's NOT displeased with us?!!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 12:53:59 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: David Subject: Self abuse Message: Dear David, Thanks for the response. I think we feel very similarly and just put different 'word' on the thoughts. Thanks. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 08:58:14 (EST)
From: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Robyn Subject: Self abuse Message: I have a friend who says I really have to 'get right with god' but I can't force it. Did you ever notice how people who make these sort of pronouncements always need you to first accept that they have already gotten right with God? You only need to be more like them! To not accept their advice is to convey doubt about their righteous status with the Big Guy, and that causes them to question it in themselves. Little burning bushes in search of more kindling. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 10:53:28 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Brian Subject: Right with god Message: Dear Brian and David, I just wanted to thank both of you for your responses. I have a lot of trouble with 'god', I think because my mother was the violent and religous one in our Catholic family. Catholic is bad enough by itself! That is why I have come to put different words to all of it. I feel I am a spiritual, not a religious person, back to my apprehension of the institutionalization of any good 'seed' of an idea. This friend of mine was never religious and isn't now either, really she has just started using words she hears around her. She has always been a seeker, spiritually and is now into some 'new age' stuff with some local people. I find it all a bit to much following for myself. A big part of it is this Spirit Releasement I mentioned once before, I think. I let them do it to me, I didn't have to be there. Some of it seemed valid but the cowboy they found in my foot was just a little to contrived! Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 11:36:58 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: Robyn Subject: Right with god Message: Robyn, I simply MUST know; what do you mean by 'the cowboy they found in my foot?' This does not make sense to me. Did they claim that you had the spirit of a cowboy in your foot or that you wear cowboy boots? I missed something somewhere along the thread. Michael Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 11:50:54 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: cowboy in foot Message: You beat me to it Mickey the Pharisee. I too would like to know, how or why does one get a cowboy in their foot? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 12:14:59 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Cowboy in your foot Message: A spiritualist found Mother Mary in my pinkie finger about 10-years ago. Same trip? eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 12:21:11 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: eb Subject: Cowboy in your foot Message: Dear eb, She might come have come in handy at least and you had an easy access in your finger. That cowboy was just taking up space, rent free, ha ha. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 14:56:11 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Robin-You're a riot!!! Message: Hahahahaha The part about Clementine really got me. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 15:06:25 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: Robyn Subject: duh Message: Robyn: I feel like I'm two beats behind everyone on this topic, WHO was telling you that there was a cowboy singing clementine in your foot, and under what circumstances did they tell you this? You know of course it's probably true, simply because how could anyone just make up something like that? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 15:21:12 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: John Subject: duh Message: Dear John, Was that like walking into a room in the middle of a conversation? I was talking about a friend who has always been searching spiritually. She got in with a few people in this rural area that are into something called Spirit Releasement. They found other spirits in me too but none as off the wall as the cowboy in my foot! He was waiting for Clementine to show him the way to heaven, he wasn't singing Clementine. If I'd only known, I have a friend with a dog named Clementine and could have helped him out years ago. They also did a releasment on my day job, the building because there are a ton of crazy things going on here and they said that the FURNITURE is in a TIME WARP, uh oh, that can't be good! The fact that you say it is probably true, hope your kidding there, illustrates a kind of crazy logic and probably had something to do with buying M's line in the beginning! Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 12:18:46 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Right with god Message: Dear Micheal, I definitely don't wear cowboy boots! I don't even like country music, he must have been very unhappy down there! They found the spirit of a cowboy in my foot, he even had a name which I forget, Ray or something simple. I wasn't there but they made a tape and I sat listening, in shock and laughing when I heard that part. This guy was stuck there waiting for 'Clementine', give me a break, an old girlfriend or something to lead him off to heaven. I just sounded very contrived. There were 2 or 3 other spirits they found that seemed more plausable but with the cowboy they lost all credibility for me! And my mom thinks I'm weird! Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 14:02:47 (EST)
From: Cheeseman Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: Robyn Subject: Right with cowboys Message: Now I know why Maharaji settled in the US. It seems that some Americans will buy into any trip, no matter how absurd. He's onto a winner there. Cowboys and injuns in feet? We have a saying over here, 'Only in America'. As I was only saying the other day to King Henry VIII in my knee... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 15:24:50 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Cheeseman Subject: Right with cowboys Message: Dear Big Cheese, You are a riot! Just think you'd never be lonely. Those spirits are quite but if you tried to strike up a conversation I'll bet they'd be more than happy to oblige, all pent up in a foot or pinky for years on end for god sake! Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 16:33:12 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: Cheeseman Subject: Right with cowboys Message: and in our part of America we have a saying 'only in California' So there it is, proof! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 20:15:58 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Selena Subject: Right with cowboys Message: In our family the saying goes, 'Only in Berkley' which is close. More proof. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 20:44:30 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: VP Subject: Right with cowboys Message: Dear VP and I think Selena or eb, What's this about CA, I'm from Pennsylvainia! Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 21:38:09 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Right with cowboys Message: Robyn, Someone very close to me says that Berkley is where everything in America begins (all of the trends, etc.) The rest of us just struggle to catch up with them. VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 14:34:42 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: Robyn Subject: Right with god Message: So, these different spirits inhabiting different parts of one's body is something with which I am unfamiliar, although I have heard of someone with a frog in their throat; does this include animal spirits? If one has many different spirits in different parts of the body, can this lead to multiple personalities if they all decide to reside in one's head? This is one crazy concept!! I just don't understand why people think that New Age stuff is flakey!;-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 15:15:20 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Right with god Message: Dear Mickey, One group I got into (I don't want to name names) was sort of a hybrid of Science of Mind and Wicca. They taught meditation, affirmations, and channeling. I liked them because they believed that people should find their own answers within themselves. So they taught us how to contact our spirit guides (they could be animals) but normally they were the usual garden variety of teachers: Jesus, Babaji, Krishna, Angel Gabriel, Mother Mary, etc. There was one group of angels called the Great White Brotherhood (ever hear of them? Sounds kind of racist but I think they were referring to the White Light). The participants would get signals with different parts of their bodies when receiving messages from their spirit guides. Going to church there was a lot of fun because it looked like everyone had tics. People were jerking around, speaking in tongues, etc. They also did table-tipping and entity healing. It sure was stimulating after 10 years of Maharaji. Their motto was: Love is the only Power. eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 15:35:30 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: eb Subject: Right with god Message: Dear eb, I think I would have been rolling on the floor laughing but then maybe others were and just said it was their guides. I do believe in the possibility of guides. I know a woman who has been given directions by guides for many years. She was not a religious woman but couldn't deny these voices she heard. They told her specific things such as to sell her car and go to CA and do something there, I think take a course. Anyway her life has improved and she has become quite spiritual over the years. I saw her chanelling once and it had me in tears. It wasn't what she was saying I just had that reaction, maybe to the truth of the experience, I don't know. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 16:28:54 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: eb Subject: Right with god Message: Hmmmmm, what was the name of the church, Our Lady of Tourette? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 18:35:24 (EST)
From: bill Email: None To: eb Subject: LEFT with god Message: I know one premie who had a strip bar and she had an exotic dancer agency. When her former boyfriend finally got out of jail for cocaine sales, he ruined her business. She backed the premie-honey oat bars- that you might have eaten at a rainbow grocery. They were a deserved flop. Then she got into spirit guides, she would channel for others and her spirit guides would help her make a living by giveing advice through her. Her spirit guides gave her disasterous advice at one point. I dont think I want to ruin the fun of the thread with the rest of that story. The spirit guides advice was directly responsible for the worst kind of disaster possible even though real humans were advising another course. I uncork the story when I meet someone who is adament about the reality of those spirit guides. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 19:21:43 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: bill Subject: In the middle with god Message: Dear bill, I'm with you on this one. If you've read me before, you'll know I don't cotton to that sort of hooey hooey anymore. Found out the hard way, but maybe not as hard as your acquaintance in the story. Or the people who followed Ramtha. Hey now, I thought you were telling my story until you got to the part about the oat bars. (Just kidding, sort of). I have been healed from the need for any hooey hooey stuff. I find myself now quite guru-less, but much happier; as happy as one can be given the uncertainty of life, the certainty of death, and that 'merging into light/sound/oneness' experience that transcends words. Too much California sun, I guess. BTW, bill, I love your style. Cuts deftly and to the bone with one slice. eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 19:26:00 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: bill Subject: In the middle with god Message: Dear bill, I'm with you on this one. If you've read me before, you'll know I don't cotton to that sort of hooey hooey anymore. Found out the hard way, but maybe not as hard as your acquaintance in the story. Or the people who followed Ramtha. Hey now, I thought you were telling my story until you got to the part about the oat bars. (Just kidding, sort of). I have been healed from the need for any hooey hooey stuff. I find myself now quite guru-less, but much happier; as happy as one can be given the uncertainty of life, the certainty of death, and that 'merging into light/sound/oneness' experience that transcends words. Too much California sun, I guess. BTW, bill, I love your style. Cuts deftly and to the bone with one slice. eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 15:29:20 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Right with god Message: Dear Mickey, My god he was probably running a ranch down there and I didn't even realize! I broke that foot twice, probably his fault! It must have really been hard on him when I danced to rock and roll! And our families thought we were nuts to buy into M. Robyn What about having a charlie horse, it's all coming together for me now. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 08:40:03 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: eb Subject: Self abuse Message: Dear eb, You post really moved me. I and my sisters were abused as kids and many people tell me I am strong. Some times I feel it many times not. I have many times wished I wasn't so strong maybe, god only gives you what you can handle! I don't want to be able to 'handle' it if that means shit will happen in my life. It is a real double edged sword because I do like being a strong woman also. It feels like I have a split personality a lot. I have never attempted suicide. I could never understand how any could. People say it is a cowardly act, I am not judging you at all but that is what I've heard, but if I ever came close to thinking about it I always thought I wouldn't have the guts to do it feeling like I lacked the bravery needed. I feel like I'm showing to much of my crazy side for public view. As far as your experince with the light. I experience things that stem from the experience of meditation with K and then I have other catagorically similar experiences that are from unknown origins. They are a big part of what makes this life worth living for me. I always love to hear others talk about having these experiences. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 13:03:43 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Self abuse Message: Dear Robyn and eb I wonder if anyone ever truly gets over abuse? I think we do grow and learn how to integrate what we have been through. I think we are all doing some important steps, talking and seeking help and becoming aware of just where we are at. Continued involvement in a cult can be highly detrimental to this process of growth. It keeps a person from acknowledging that they are still in need of personal growth. I know people likethis who just don't deal with the issues and wait for the next event or some supposed magical experience under the blanket. Meanwhile their lives are in a state of stagnation. I'd rather go through the ups and downs and LIVE, knowing that my growth will depend on what actions I take and how I learn to interface with 'this' world and my fellow human beings. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 13:33:11 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Selena Subject: Self abuse Message: Dear Selena, I know people who have no interest in delving below the surface in their lives for many reasons. I have always been one who looked below the surface because the surface was often scary. I have vertually raised myself, morally, and in fact I just had some revelations yesterday and thought, I am still raising myself. I think I'm doing an OK job on myself. The bad thing is that I had my kids before I was really together enough in a lot of ways. They are turninig out to be good people though and I have been very honest with them almost every step of the way. I would rather have ups and downs also than be a premie in a state of mesmorization or a regular person stuck on this phyisical plane. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 13:36:15 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: Selena Subject: Self abuse Message: Dear Selena, You said it, sister! As much as I've worked to forgive, I can't seem to forget. Abuse experiences warp my viewpoint still. Makes it really hard to trust. eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Apr 28, 1998 at 02:26:33 (EST)
From: Steve A Email: None To: Sir David Subject: Self abuse Message: Dear Sir David It seemed the Divine M, and I don't mean Bette M shaped us all into social outcasts. I know I was unable to relate to anything unless it was in terms of M, DLM/EV and knowledge. I still often wonder what M really feels for his Premies, pitty, disgust, contempt all seem to come to mind now, but at the time I really wanted to believe he loved us. I know now that I never liked the me I was when I was trying to live for him. Thinking about it, I spent so much time not being me it's a wonder there was anything left to salvage. But isn't it great how we have all bounced back, there are some really wonderful people here, people who care for others despite the pain that still lives on inside, people like yourself, Brian, Katie, Selena, VP, eb, Robyn etc..... By the way I did respond to your previous enquiry it appears to be relegated into the anals of the inactive lets hope we all never do. Kind regards and best wishes to all Steve A Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 14:45:45 (EST)
From: CD Email: None To: Everyone Subject: VP hits honesty button Message: VP apparently hit the honesty button on his Email software. His subconcious honesty most likely moved his hand into action. He should act on that honesty as a general behaviour. CD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From VP: Robyn, I wanted you to see the kind of stuff that CD sends to me. It's good for a laugh, but do you see why I think he is dangerous to the questioning people on the forum? I promised CD that his email stuff wouldn't end up on the forum, so you have to promise me that you won't post anything referring to this. Thanks! VP -----Original Message----- From: Chris Dickey To: 'munmat' Date: Wednesday, April 22, 1998 7:45 PM Subject: M's presentation post >Not sure what Still Crazy is talking about? > >I went to the M presentations on how things are going. >Numbers of people and dollar amounts were given. > >I have also been at local presentations (participation meetings) where people came and gave us reports on what the fincancial situation was. > >I don't feel like getting into another debate about nothing on the forum. >I just wanted to let you know. > >>From my viewpoint Elan Vital is an organization trying to do something and it takes money. >Its really pretty ordinary. No big mystery or rip-off going on. > >I happen to know 3 premies who are millionaires. >One of them has every video ever made in a huge library in his house. > >The money discussions on the forum are petty BS. >Reminds me of when we had a local premie meeting and a debate ensued on wether we could afford to pay for the extra coffee service or not. >I got up and said we were all petty and cheap discussing such a minor issue. >Some people didn't like what I said. Too bad. >It must have been a fight over $20. Good grief. > >All local stuff such as rental of locations for weekly videos is administered and financed entirely by the local people. >I mostly help out by contributing money monthly to the group in San Diego. >I also giive montly some money to Elan Vital for world wide events. >It is a fact that the people in the US and Europe finance most of the worldwide efforts of Elan Vital. >I am glad to help out. > >Regards, >CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 15:46:34 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: CD Subject: VP hits honesty button Message: Hi, CD! I thought this might show up here. I wasn't sure though, as I did think you to be a pretty nice , if somewhat amusing, guy.( I never claimed to be perfect or the Lord of the Universe, BTW.) I believe our agreement was (I may be incorrect on this) not to post anything from our emails on the forum, which I have not done and will not do. You, sir, have broken the agreement. By discrediting me, you have also discredited yourself. My mamma always said, 'Honey, two wrongs don't make a right.' I am sincerely sorry if this gossip about you hurt your feelings. I was WRONG to try to send that to Robyn, and I have already apologized for that. Enjoy the rest of your weekend anyway, VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 17:24:26 (EST)
From: CD Email: None To: VP Subject: VP hits honesty button Message: >I believe our agreement was (I may be incorrect on this) not to post anything from our emails on the forum, which I have not done and will not do. You, sir, have broken the agreement. VP, You are INCORRECT. The agreement was: Email between you and me was private and not to be distributed to ANYONE else. As you well know, I have since given you full permission to post any of the email messages I sent to you. I have nothing to hide in what I wrote. I stand behind what I wrote. My motive for the private email was to inform you of my opinions and personal experiences without getting sucked into extended debates on the forum. You put on a nice face on the forum and are mostly an honest person but I guess you wanted to win some points ... Regards, CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 18:07:40 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: CD Subject: VP hits honesty button Message: Dear Chris, I like both you and VP, so I hope you guys can come to some sort of understanding about this. I don't know the circumstances, but I guess that VP probably shouldn't have shown your e-mail to Robyn if you had that agreement. However, I don't think you should have posted VP's misdirected mail on the forum either (you know: two wrongs don't make a right!). You are both nice guys (IMHO, anyway), and I hope you can work it out without hurting/embarrassing each other further. Take care, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 18:36:44 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: CD Subject: VP was wrong Message: CD, I have not ever revealed anything on this forum that would 'suck you into an extended debate' on the forum. Robyn is a good person who wouldn't attack you here. I'm not saying this justifies me trying to tell her anything. Your post above was really intended to discredit me and also to show what a jerk I am because we disagree about Maharaji. Well, you got what you wanted so congratulations. I hope that you feel as good about yourself as I have about myself since this happened. So much for your positive personality. Apparently I wasn't the only person who 'put on a face' here. I'm not gonna argue with you about this anymore as I have already said that I WAS WRONG to hurt your feelings and THAT I WAS SORRY. There isn't a whole lot more for me to say. VP Katie, Apparently neither of us is as nice as you thought. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 20:02:57 (EST)
From: bb gun Email: None To: VP Subject: virtuoso person Message: When I was torn between two worlds I emailed Mili and it was during some hot days on the forum and it went straight away to the forum. It was a real winner by the way. I emailed CD also and he approached someone else about the issue and that got hot also. I'm not torn anymore, but it is understandable. I havent gotten to my email site in about 3 weeks. I will, but I wanted to let a wave finish first. It about has. I have no idea what you guys talked about and I think all of the rest of us are willing to just let it vanish. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 20:37:28 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: bb gun Subject: virtuoso person Message: Thanks, bill. I was torn when I first got here...but only a little. I liked CD mainly for himself and thought he was one of the most positive people on the forum, regardless of his beliefs. He did answer some of my questions off forum and I can understand why he wouldn't want to post things on here and get blasted so I did respect that. This place can be daunting and you have to develop a thick skin. (I feel like a rhino right about now!) I feel like dirt for hurting his feelings. Even if we disagree I still think he is basically a nice person. Everyone can make a mistake or two or three. I am 100 percent sure of what I believe about Maharaji though, and I think it shows in my posts. VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Apr 26, 1998 at 08:37:59 (EST)
From: bb Email: None To: VP Subject: virtual rhino Message: I dont know if you hurt CD's feelings. He is rhino skinned himself. He has brushed aside posts that would burn down a house. Maybe after a few beers he gets alittle mushy, but I cant recall seeing that on the forum. He has had a strong faith in M being how he percieves him. I used to wonder why he hung out here. I was altered by input but CD either didnt input or the input was not the type that hit his achilles heel. I reccomended he, mili and op head for the hills. Because I was not wanting to feel responsible for changeing someone. Now I am not so worried about that. Change can be wrenching, but, Oh Well! It is only right that the flip side be revealed and dealt with. And look whats on the flip side. The thread by JW about family has reopened something very true. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Apr 26, 1998 at 14:00:40 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: CD Subject: VP hits honesty button Message: Dear CD and VP, Well this was a bit of a suprize and I feel since my name is involved I should make some comment. VP knows me to be an honnorable person and we have become quite close, I also feel he is an excellent person. I don't know you really CD. We had a brief email correspondence which I found confusing at first but that is neither here or there. I don't defend either of you here. I know VP is very sorry for hurting you CD. Your action here must have been well thought out and in that I find it a bit more mean spirited. This is between the 2 of you and I hope you can come to a common place of live and let live. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 10:02:08 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: CD Subject: VP hits honesty button Message: Dear CD, Just thought I'd share this bit that I wrote to VP: I may put this on the forum to CD but I was thinking, it is natural to talk to the people you know about other people in you life and in this situation it is more natural since we both know CD. My kids hate when I speak about them to a friend and we have discussed it many times. When I realize that people have talked about me even if not in a glowing light, it is natural and if it is something I don't want to hear about I realize it is probably good to at least listen because it is probably about something I am avoiding dealing with. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 09:56:17 (EST)
From: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Everyone Subject: A note from Kanguru Kamp Message: Petrou was handed a crayon by the counselors today and wrote to me in his most flowery speech. The entire letter: At least all your readers realise that free speech is not tolerated on the Ex-filers link. This is a major victory. And a stunning defeat for the anti-cult cause! Congratulations, Petrou! Savor it. Should anyone want to correspond with the lad, write to me and I'll send his email address to you. His responses shouldn't take long to read. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 10:31:53 (EST)
From: Scott T. Email: None To: Brian Subject: A note from Kanguru Kamp Message: Brian: I don't want to converse with Petey, but you might pass along to him a request for several definitions of terms, his use of which, I don't understand: 'free speech' 'tolerated' 'victory' He really has a way about him, doesn't he? -Scott Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 11:47:58 (EST)
From: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Scott T. Subject: A note from Kanguru Kamp Message: Unless I'm mistaken, they break down this way: 'free speech' = He gets to say whatever pops into his mind. 'tolerated' = We have to provide the platform for his views. 'victory' = He's stopped looking out the window for Maharaji's lawyers to appear and eagerly question him. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 12:55:37 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: Brian Subject: A note from Kanguru Kamp Message: I just recieved an e-mail from Petrou. It has an attachment which I haven't opened as Lord knows what terrible thing is in there. Did anyon else get such a thing? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 13:06:54 (EST)
From: Nigel Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: A note from Kanguru Kamp Message: I've got one too, Mickey. I haven't read the email, and probably won't. Unless he's told you what the attachment is, I would guess it's probably a virus. Come to think of it, I'm gonna delete the whole thing, just in case... Was the email nasty? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 14:17:02 (EST)
From: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Nigel Subject: A note from Kanguru Kamp Message: I got one too, and I opened the attachment, which was either brave or stupid, and it was a copy of a post that I'd put on the forum. His note was a comment on the post. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 16:56:23 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: Nigel Subject: A note from Kanguru Kamp Message: He accused me of agreeing with atheists and scientologists and of stifling dissent when it disagrees with my opinion. I don't think he and I are going to agree on anything soon. He is so different from Mili or CD, who are pretty decent guys IMHO. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 22:02:22 (EST)
From: Nigel Email: Nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Freedom of Preach Message: Thanks Mickey. That Petrou accuses you of agreeing with atheists shows he can't have done his homework - but, in funny kind of way, he is absolutely correct. I am an atheist, as you probably know by now (I don't believe in God, but strongly believe in Good), but when it comes to sharing thoughts on our sub-continental, verbally incontinent, logically incompetent email acquaintance, I suspect we would pick a few choice adjectives in common. I have deleted his email and attachment without reading it - and will do the same with any subsequent emails of his. No premie gets Freedom of Preach on my hard drive! - and he can ring up the International Court of Human Rights about this if he likes. (And my threatening to delete his emails is not any kind of thinly-veiled death threat against his own person, I should perhaps add!) Petrou's endlessly-repeated 'Freedom of Speech' argument is stupid beyond belief. Does he also believe, say, that a Mormon, a Jehovah's Witness, a Buddist, Pagan or Aromatherapist would be justified in jumping onstage at one of Maharaji's programs and start shouting their own spiritual message - in exactly the way he feels entitled to declare his allegiance to Mr Rawat, whilst badmouthing everybody else, right here on our EX-premie forum? Does freedom of speech also mean that Saddam Hussein is entitled to submit a monthly column to Amnesty International's newsletter? Is it fundamentally inhuman to eject an abusive gatecrasher from your own party? Let's hope he gets bored soon, or else discovers the eternal bliss within that Maharaji promised him, and which should by now be elevating him, carefree and lily-like, above all the craziness of this world, and the slings an arrows of outrageous ex-premie bastards. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Apr 26, 1998 at 14:17:41 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: A note from Kanguru Kamp Message: Dear Mickey, I got the same email. I don't know if it is me or my computer but I couldn't open any of the attachments and replied to Petrou that I never read his posts and so have never said anything bad about him but if he speaks to Vacol he could tell him he could email me. Sometimes a little knoweldge about computers is a blessed thing I guess! Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Apr 26, 1998 at 20:50:18 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: Robyn Subject: A note from Kanguru Kamp Message: Hi Robyn, I have been unable to open his attachment so I have no idea what is in there. I've decided not to worry about it as I have way too much going on right now. I'm sure he'll find a way to get ahold of me if he really feels the need. Mickey Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 23:59:24 (EST)
From: bill Email: None To: Everyone Subject: for Bruce the Aussie Message: Hello Bruce, Your post was printed out and I looked at it some during the day. I just got back from a CD. What I call going out for a beer at a live music club. I just have one beer, I think CD has a few. a Harp, I dont know what he drinks. Before the beer wears off I wanted to respond to some of your points. You say you have been around him in hundreds of situations. I have to wonder who you are. I know he has changed over the years, to some extent. You said if I really knew M, I could not believe that he would ban his mom. Ban. Well, In the 90's he announced at an event in india that he just banned a group of people from ever comeing to another event. perhaps you remember that one? Also in the 90's he had almost all the indian instructors put outside of the gates of the festival site and fired. They were told (probably angrily) to hit the road. Some of these guys did a lifetime of so called service to him and at thier ages-out the door. Even charanand was tossed. After some amount of time, someone went to that gate and let back in whoever was still there. I guess THEY passed the test. Or couldnt figure out what the hell to do. I guess that is the mercy and lila of the lord. Some retirement! Perhaps you heard that one also? in the 70's he said that if his brother bal bhagwan ji crawled up the road from pacific coast highway all the way up to his residence and asked his forgiveness he still wouldnt give it to him. Some open door! In 78 or 79 rawat was singing 'ding dong the witch is dead' song over and over a lot. People wondered what that meant. I was not alone in thinking he was referring to his mom. Bahari singh was in a room with rawat and his wife Marolyn. It was during the family fight. Bahari was saying he would go to india and straighten it out, talk to Mata Ji. rawat said 'I give you agya not to go' and they continued to talk. Then bahari said again 'I will go and talk to Mata Ji' And Marilyn said 'Bahari, rawat gave you agya not to go' And rawat turned to her and said 'Marilyn, Bahari is going to do what he is going to do!' So she shut up and Bahari went. rawat had to of course allow it because he controlled things. Bahari went to india and Mata Ji took his passport and got rid of it. (story edit) When he eventually got back to the states he was not allowed to speak or go in darshan and for awhile go to events. Until very recently he was not allowed to come near rawat to talk to him. Rawat said repeatedly that if you do ONE thing that displeases maharji, even if YOU dont think it is something that even is displeaseing to him, he will NEVER EVER forgive you for it. PERIOD. Now I am sure anybody from the glory days remembers that one. That NEVER EVER forgive you line was repeated whenever he was in the mood to tell us how uncompromising he,the lord, was. I imagine it is not such a big stretch to figure that his mom qualified for that fate. So dont call it 'ban', call it whatever. Many people think god has no personality. You misbehave, you mispercieve, you are all deceptive and into your delusion of pride and ego, whatever, You get consequences. Even if it is an automatic system it is surely possible to discern the personality of the creator out of human nature. So if rawat is now starting to make human style noises more and more, that will only fool the devoted. I dont know if you realize what big news it was when rawat shook the hand of a guy who is the biggest money earner for the book buying business. The most startleing news about it to the ones I know, was that he held on to the guys hand for a long time as he spoke to him and the others as he presented the award. See how rare and amazing a human gesture is to the devotees held at a distance for all these years. At DECA, after a courtyard holi to test the gun, he was walking through the pranaming(bowing) crowd and a girl came up to him and tried to give him some flowers. When he made it back to the garage he angrily told Jim Hession 'If you do anything for me, keep those premies away from me!' She was banned from DECA of course. Hope she didnt commit suicide. Even if he is becomeing more crowd tolerant, that hardly counts as compensation for continueing to pretend to be the superiour power in person. He is going global with his I am the god incarnate roadshow and of course people like to be near him. It is the issue of fame and rap. What if you saw Olivia Newton John at the kanguroo bar. Wouldnt you say hey look mates! That famous person I have watched on the telly so much! And get that rush of excitement and specialness? Some other Aussie Star perhaps? The alligator Guy? John Denver? Tom Cruise? They lived in Austrailia. Mike Jackson? You said being bitter is no fun. Well, I have typed enough I guess but that sentence REALLY could get a lengthy response. Anyway thanks for writing back. I am not trying to stop the back and forth. This is no small deal for me. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 12:13:54 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Brian - it's too easy Message: Not sure what I mean by that subject line. Looks like I missed a lot this week. My 2 cents: As a 'web mistress' I wouldn't want to have to deal someone like V who keeps emailing me for help with web or other technical issues. Mainly because it's hard to be all that good. Why help someone who is blasting people in your forum? I'd have to have truly realized the great sainthood M promises to be able to work for V or P in a consulting capacity. And Brian doesn't have to pretend about that. That's one of the wonderful things about being an EX. I read back over some stuff and realized I had been deliberately baited a few times by the V*. It's so silly really. It's one of the reasons I got bored with Usenet. No matter what the conference, there was so much of that going on. I still look at the whole thing as simple behavior mod. If ex's would stop responding to every post that comes along by these types, they'd get bored and go away. Maybe that's too easy or simplistic. maybe all those years of being a mom have made me see it this way. That's how I dealt with troublsesome toddlers and I see a strong resemblence. I have no way of knowing but it seems to me *I* would be banned quite quickly from a premie site. When they were allowed to have a site I don't remember any forum for interactive communication. Maybe I missed it. I didn't spend more than 10 minutes there. I was bored. Did I miss this? It seems they wouldn't want interactive comms. After all premies have nothing to say - it's all about M and what he says, right?. So now they can feel victimized that Brian supposedly censored them. So what? It's always easier to feel like the victim than it is to feel like the bad guy. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 15:52:59 (EST)
From: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Selena Subject: Brian - it's too easy Message: No, you didn't miss anything on premie.com as far as two-way communication. Premies don't expect that anywhere but here. Videos are for watching, Maharaji is for sitting and listening to (except for the devotional singing/cheering etc), and literature is for reading. It's all input. There is no output anywhere but here. It doesn't surprise me that they aren't very good at it when they never practice anywhere else. I'm personally opposed to outright banning of people. But I'm too busy at this point trying to make other changes in the forum software regarding site expansion for me to set aside time to ensure Petrou's single daily post, or Vacol's somewhat higher number. The latter gets smaller with every email he sends out in inept attempts to rally support. Don't tell him that okay? I'm sure he never reads the forum anyway. Maharaji wouldn't like it, right V? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 16:02:54 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Brian Subject: An idea Message: I have a great idea for Vacol. Instead of sending out emails rallying for support, why doesn't he just raise some cash for the site? That way, Brian can quit his job (you know, the one that pays for his food and housing), and get a salary from the fundraising effort. Everyone can post as much as they want to and it won't matter one bit. Brian can write software, buy a scanner and fax software and best of all we won't even have to have a committee. Problem solved, everyone. Vacol, you know I'm just funnin' with you, but it is a good idea now isn't it? VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 16:51:28 (EST)
From: Scott T. Email: None To: Brian Subject: openyoureyes Message: Brian: Videos are for watching, Maharaji is for sitting and listening to (except for the devotional singing/cheering etc.), and literature is for reading.... It's all input. There is no output anywhere but here. Seems like this also might lead to constipation. I've been thinking that perhaps a little sci-fi would be good for premies. Gene Roddenbury has a new series called 'Earth, the Final Conflict,' that airs on some ABC affiliates on Sunday night (late). There are websites for the (apparently spiritually superior and kindly) aliens as well as the beleaguered resistance. Can't recall the Taelon site, but the resistance site is http://www.openyoureyes.com. Provocative title. -Scott Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 18:58:37 (EST)
From: Scott T. Email: None To: Scott T. Subject: Message from the Resistance Message: Imagine that Elan Vital has had a resurgence, to became a wildly successful mission in 1995, bringing peace on earth and prosperity to mankind. Imagine, that instead of changing the name from 'Premies' to 'Students' the membership are now called 'Taelons.' Is 'peace' everything? MESSAGE FROM THE RESISTANCE 'Now, everyone knows we are here. No one has to feel alone anymore. As Jonathan Doors said in his World Bowl announcement, there are many of us who question the Companions. They are not all that they seem. And now we have proof. Behind closed doors you talk about it. When no one is looking, you whisper about your doubts. The Companions have been among us for nearly three years now, and what have they done? You see them feed our hungry, cure our diseases and stop our wars. But what don't you see? Why are they really here? Is there more to their bio-engineered grain than vitamins? Are these cures and vaccines medical research or alien experimentation? Do we have impartial mediators for international disputes, or do we have an occupying force? The most disturbing thing about any of those questions is how few are asking them! As a species, we've grown accustomed to them. Opened our doors and invited in the invading army. They are not the hideous monsters that descended upon our unsuspecting world but remained safely up on the movie screen back in the '90s. They are much more insidious and horrifying because they are taking over our planet and we are thanking them for it! Do we have so little faith in our own humanity that we turn over the governing of our lives to something that isn't even human? How can we trust their 'solutions' to our 'problems' when they don't even know us? At its most innocent, this is a case of a doctor treating a patient sight-unseen. At it's most appalling, this is a case of slaves putting on their own shackles. We are a small group of independent thinkers who are chaffing at the shackles that others have put on us. We have dedicated our lives to uncovering the truth behind the false facade that the Taelons present us with. You know they aren't telling us everything. Follow the heart of the free human within you. Stop wondering in silence, whispering to your family -- and join us. We are the Resistance, and together we can take back our world.' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 00:06:01 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: Scott T. Subject: Message from the Resistance Message: Fortunately for us, they are inept at organization, except of course for their 'events'. I just can't see it ever together enough to feed people, cure diseases. I recall some quote of M's where he said something like, 'if i feed a starving person they will just need food the next day. What I give them will last forever' (I am paraphrasing) Good thing for us that he does encourage selfish devotion, not humanism. Otherwise more people would be hooked. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 00:12:47 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: Brian Subject: was it ever an official site Message: Someone correct me if I am wrong, but it seemed like premie.com was just something a premie or a few premies with access to a web server started on their own. It didn't seem like it was ever officially recognized or asked for by the M and EV factions. So, M really didn't own it and told them to stop posting on their own web site. Looks like a fear of the information technology and it's enabling premies to be vocal outside his control. Talk about censorship! (heh, my typo that I fixed in preview ended that word with a t - what a potty mouth I am.) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 04:24:19 (EST)
From: Mr Ex Email: None To: Selena Subject: NEWS: Room for official site Message: I just checked premie.com yesterday: it DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE. Nor does the domain's name. Conclusion: it's free. If anyone out there wants to create a premie com (without rawat's agya), you have my blessings! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 07:22:59 (EST)
From: Scott T. Email: None To: Mr Ex Subject: NEWS: Room for official site Message: Mr. Ex: It appears that 'premie.org' is free, however surfing to 'premie.com' will get you the following enigmatic announcement: The St Cloud Florida Information Pages, Including Best Web Pages and Quick Search Has Expanded !! ....to a new address: http://www.stcloudnet.com Please update your bookmark. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 05:05:06 (EST)
From: Sir David Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: Everyone Subject: Come back Vacol Message: I hope you can continue posting here Vacol. I personally am against banning anyone from this site. I don't have the time to be part of a comittee but I think all posts have a value here. Perhaps a gentleman's agreement can be reached where people who participate agree to keep it to a reasonable number of posts. By the way, the above email address is my ONLY email address from now on. The old address at CIX is now defunct. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 08:39:21 (EST)
From: Scott T. Email: None To: Sir David Subject: Come back Vacol Message: David: You're kidding about the 'gentleman's agreement' right? If people were 'gentlemen' (note, female premies haven't been much of a problem, for some reason) we wouldn't have a problem in the first place. I mean, is this 'wishful thinking,' perhaps? And what about the premies that don't post as premies, because they are ashamed to be associated with the likes of Vacol, or Petrou? (Much less the former than the latter.) -Scott Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 09:43:25 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: Scott T. Subject: How do you know Message: Scott,you write: '(note, female premies haven't been much of a problem, for some reason)' How do you know any of these generically/wierdly named premies: Aesop, Student, A premie, Vac*, Petrou, Participant, are not female? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 17:00:29 (EST)
From: Scott T. Email: None To: John Subject: How do you know Message: John: Now that you mention it, I always thought of 'Student' as female. On the other hand, she/he wasn't much of a problem either. At least not in the way H & J (alias V & P) have been. -Scott Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 08:51:37 (EST)
From: Bobby Email: bobby2@mindspring.com To: Sir David Subject: Come back Vacol Message: >>>>>I hope you can continue posting here Vacol. I personally am against banning anyone from this site. Hi David. I'm glad to see there is at least one 'ex' who is not all gung-ho on banning and dumping and trashing personal meaning and belief. Slamming the Maharaji icon is one thing, but posts here often go way beyond that and get into personal attacks. Truthfully, I'm sorry to witness so many restrictive and arrogant posts. Reminds me of the latter cultural progressions of 'Lord of the Flies'. I check in here fairly regularly to read, but I've really not wanted to contribute enough to put up with attacks. I don't read everything, but I see lots of bad-humored posts. Neither fun nor worthwhile to me and besides, I don't have a lot of time these days. I have enough to do with alerting people to alternatives to the abuses of psychiatry. One of these days I'm gonna organize my Maharaji notes and post 'em to my web page. When I do, I'll drop a note here at this site (unless I'm banned). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 09:40:01 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: Bobby Subject: Bobby be reasonable! Message: Bobby you say, 'I'm glad to see there is at least one 'ex' who is not all gung-ho on banning and dumping and trashing personal meaning and belief.' HUH? We trash personal meaning and belief? Bobby, you had some major arguments with one ex, what have the other ex's done to deserve this absurd insult? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 00:23:06 (EST)
From: bill Email: None To: John Subject: Roberts rules of order Message: Well I was a tad harsh about that delusional clown buddha. And the dali lama and other god incarnate frauds. That puts me on the naughty list I guess. So besides Jimmy I guess I make number two. I mean I like bobby and all but I can't seem to ease up on the bogusananda style thinking. I am willing to discuss it without meaness however! Dont worry about vacuum. Anyone in this scene that much cant just walk away. If he cant take confronting of concepts---he better not dream of doing personal service to rawat! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 08:44:18 (EST)
From: Scott T. Email: None To: bill Subject: Legitimate Charisma Message: Bill: Until recently the worst aspect of the 'incarnate' syndrome, having to do with succession, had been avoided by the Tibetan system. Succession is the central problem. The Chinese are now seeking to replace the Pandit (Panthit) Lama (the number two position) with their own clearly illegitimate candidate. The Dalai Lama obviously serves a sociological purpose for the people of Tibet, as well a representing the 'head of state.' I'm not sure how this works in Tibet, but usually when the head of state and the administration are invested in the same person or institution then the inevitable mistakes by administrations will gradually destabilize the government. The US system avoids this problem by having the Constitution itself represent 'the state.' But in countries where the Constitution does not have this level of respect another institution must serve the same purpose. It has been proposed that one way to re-stabilize the Eastern European democratic regimes is to bring back the monarchs, setting up parliamentary democracies under a constitutional monarchy. The monarch has no political power, but is the head of state, and symbolizes the unity of the regime during a peaceful transition of administrative power that occurs with elections. I guess the point I'm making is that there is some legitimate purpose served by having a unifying cultural or political image invested in the person of a specific human being. This is legitimate charisma. The Dalai Lama is referred to as 'the wish fulfilling dream,' which hints at his real sociological status. Without the Dalai Lama there would simply be no Tibet. -Scott Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 10:06:17 (EST)
From: bobby Email: None To: bill Subject: Roberts rules of order Message: >>Well I was a tad harsh about that delusional clown buddha. >>And the dali lama and other god incarnate frauds. >>That puts me on the naughty list I guess. Really Bill, your statements here are just plain bigoted. I guess you've been hanging around your fundamentalist friends a tad too much. >>>If he cant take confronting of concepts---he better not >>>dream of doing personal service to rawat! Much of what goes on here has little to do with 'confronting of concepts' in terms of opportunity for valuable insight. I mean I know all the stories about Maharaji. Some of the further info that has come out on this board is interesting whether or not it is true. But so what? I left Maharaji years ago. I have no regrets for my involvement. The ashram was a safe place for me when I needed it back in the '70's. I continue to practice meditation, a practice that is a wonderful opportunity and gift. I derive great meaning from Buddhism. To me, Buddhism is an extremely advanced structural tool for understanding and accessing profound states of awareness. What value does your 'confrontation' have with this appreciation? Buddha is a 'delusional clown'? Dalai Lama is an incarnate fraud? I mean who cares? I guess if you are looking for some kind of externally solid and point-to-able meaning, there are plenty of holes in the Buddhist system as it presents itself in the material world. *Everything* is full of holes in my book, including (perhaps especially including) the great God of Western Culture, the Rational Mind. The main objection for me on this board is the personal attacks. I guess why I get personally offended, not just when I am attacked, but when others are attacked, is my perception of bullying and bashing. I've been at the effect of that in my life and I've seen much suffering go on for others because of it. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 11:22:00 (EST)
From: David Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: bobby Subject: Roberts rules of order Message: I myself see little use in attacking someone for practising Buddism. I have been quite amazed in the past how you have been attacked on this forum for merely mentioning your NDE or the Dali Lama. This is particularly strange since you hardly were forcing your opinions down people's throats. On the contrary you were just mentioning them. Your ashram experience was different to mine. No need for disagreement though because different personal experiences are the nature of living. A problem arises when people try to force other people to see the world as they see it. That forcing is very different from merely relating to others how one has experienced things. The latter is all you've ever done on this forum and I don't think you deserved any of the rather opinionated posts from Jim Heller in the past. So what if Jim sees things differently? His version of reality is only that - his version. He had no need to try to ram it down your throat. After all, you weren't guilty of doing such a thing to others. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 11:29:24 (EST)
From: bobby Email: None To: David Subject: Roberts rules of order Message: Thank you David. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 17:20:38 (EST)
From: Billdha Email: None To: David Subject: Food Fight Message: Hi David, Dont fergit that our friend Bobby has made statements in such a way as to declare this or that as the reality. That is where I would usually get involved because I was very much in transition about my views on life and so I would wrestle with them just as I was wrestleing with many others. Since the last era of Bobby posting as Bobby. I know he posted under another name, but I wont mention it. But in that time I checked out six books on Tibet and Buddha and these were really lucky finds. The books were quite old and were from English representatives exploreing the culture. Since they were some of the very first english to go to Tibet they hit the mother lode in getting accurate info on the nature of that whole culture. Since it has come up again, I will post some things about it. The ones on buddha are particularly revealing as well. I probably would have chosen another way of referring to buddha in my post up above but I chose to be a little fresh because Bobby seemed to paint us a bit severely with too broad a brush. Bobby is definately a charter member of the forum, but it is not been the case that he presented his views in a nuetral way. It seems like that, but really the way he has put it many times is THIS is reality, or THIS is valid, and we are not allowed to dispute it with the same intensity we were wrestleing with our maharaji related truths. This was not the kind of place to drop 'truths' in and expect silent approval or acceptance, or even any respect for. During that time, He would totally dismiss rawat and it would sometimes tick me off because I had still value in M and I did not know any reason clearly that would turn me actually against him. You know, to tell stories and start to see the whole eastern thinking verses concious power reality. Also we were/are a place that has a strong and smart faction that views the life through evolutionary eyes and they are not about to play dead in front of claims from the buddist world. It is not fair to the premies that come hear to allow some dogma to reign unchallenged as if IT was the truth. Even some of the jesus/yeshua world of ideas. I for one cannot paint Bobby as somehow haveing mastered the art of presenting his views without any edge of dogmatic attachment. I'm glad he is here, as the eastern thinking arena is a big part of the maharaji scene. But it is going to be challenged. And Jimmy WILL be Jimmy. If the dogma can be separated from the person and discussed, then I think feathers will stay in place. But do you remember that Bobby actually would keep poking back at Jim repeatedly so I have to think he partially enjoys the wrestleing. HIS dismissal of maharji certainly bothers the ones that post here still finding value in M. So I cannot see why he cannot be ticked off by others as well. Its a food fight and Jim comes up and rubs some cake in the new shirt, You shriek, but dont fergit you have been throwing food for a long time as well. Welcome back as Bobby. Nice timing actually. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 22:04:43 (EST)
From: David Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: Billdha Subject: Food Fight Message: Bill, you don't honestly think that I am Bobby do you? Well your last paragraph seems to imply that you do. No Bill, I am Prem Pal, but don't tell anyone will you. By the way, is Bruce really Bruce or is he Vacol? Are Mirabai, Petrou, Bruce and Vacol all the same person? I think they could be. Definitely Vacol could be Mirabai. Oh well Bill, I have to go and shout at some stupid premies now. This job isn't all fast women and jets you know. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Apr 26, 1998 at 08:00:29 (EST)
From: bb Email: None To: David Subject: Sir Davacol Message: Hi David, No, I just started talking to Bobby at the end there. I guess I was talking to him throughout the post in a way. I read the thread and then answered to you. I dont think bruce is vacol. Although it was strange that bruce and vacol and participant all wanted us to start a class action lawsuit. How did any of them know wether or not one would succeed? How many of us at the forum knew that? Only lawyer Jim. And anyone he told. I dont know any premies who know that. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 11:08:59 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Bobby Subject: Bobby Message: Dear Bobby, There are many more than one who don't want to ban anyone, including myself. The problem, as I see it, is this has all given Brian way, way to much work and worry. Apparently Petrou may have been trying to shut down the forum by clogging it with his numerous posts each containing nothing comprehensible or just repeating the same thing over and over. I don't read his posts but that has been the buzz. That is another serious issue but the problem of overload for Brian is a main consern. We all respect and value Brian and the work he does here. None of us would be here if it wasn't for his hard work and dedication and I personally feel bad that he can't participate in the forum much other than to see what problems the forum is having and go work on them. Did you see his post that says he to use to be an ex. He is taking on to much and maybe, I feel, is feeling disjointed from us and our correspondence. Yours is the first post I've read today so I will continue down and see what has developed that may help him out. Take care Bobby, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 11:33:45 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Bobby Subject: Come back Vacol Message: Another generalization. I guess that you didn't read anything by JW or Rick or Still Crazy? Please, before making sweeping judgments about exs, you really should try to read what everyone has to say. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 09:32:10 (EST)
From: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Sir David Subject: Come back Vacol Message: Hi David - It's my understandding that Brian is not going to ban anyone from the site permanently. He does wish to limit the number of posts per day by people, and doesn't have the program in place to do this yet (he needs to write it, this is fairly time consuming, and there have been a number of other things that required his attention - including the fact that he has to work to pay the rent!). Let me know if you (or anyone else) has more questions. I'm about to go to work so won't be around for a while - possibly not until tomorrow. Take care, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 23:57:19 (EST)
From: David Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: Katie Subject: Well at least your flu's gone Message: It must be if you're going back to work. Thanks for your explaination and thanks always for your understanding and kind nature. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 00:18:11 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: David Subject: Well at least your flu's gone Message: You're welcome David. Thanks for the advice on the flu, and I will get the basil oil for next time. (I'm not sure if I will get the spaghetti sauce, parmesan cheese, and maid's uniform though - are they really necessary?) Really, thank you. I appreciate you being here very much too. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 22:48:14 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Vacol Subject: A pop quiz Message: Vacol (I'm sorry that I forgot your other name) Hey, I finally got around to reading a lot more of your posts. I hope that you will come back as soon as the software is in place for you to. Saw where the two faces of Vacol talk to one another- that was pretty creative, I must admit. David's right. Let's have a gentleman's agreement. Also, there will be a pop quiz on your answers from Maharaji, so I hope those are forthcoming. The essay question is this one: Just listening to the song 'Who Is Guru Maharaj Ji' yesterday. The lyrics say that 'Who Is Guru Maharaj Ji' is a question you must ask. I think that is one of the purposes of this forum...to ask that question. Apparently someone changed their mind and decided that it wasn't such a good question to ask, but I think we should ask it anyway. So Vacol, and everyone else, for 50 points, who is Guru Maharaj Ji? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 23, 1998 at 21:56:32 (EST)
From: Zeca Email: limary@uol.com.br To: Everyone Subject: general information Message: I'm looking for some informations about the activities of Maharaji in Brazil. If you have something about, please e-mail me. Thanks. Zeca Martins São Paulo - Brazil Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 11:31:41 (EST)
From: Still Crazy Email: None To: Zeca Subject: general information Message: M owns a parcel of land, 'La Tierra del Amor,' (kind of a prototype Amaroo) but I think it's in Argentina, not Brazil. -Still Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 18:00:05 (EST)
From: Paula Email: None To: Zeca Subject: general information Message: O que exatamente vc quer saber? As terras que Still Crazy esta falando, realmente ficam na Argentina. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 18:07:22 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Paula Subject: general information Message: I caught that except for 'falando' and 'ficam'. Care to translate those two? VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 18:49:29 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: VP Subject: general information Message: Dear VP, I think...false and farm. Just trying, I don't really know at all. I'm glad you saw this though Paula as I was going to email you about it. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 23:43:11 (EST)
From: Paula Email: None To: VP Subject: general information Message: falando = speaking, talking about.... ficam = are on, stay on.... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 23:28:45 (EST)
From: Paula Email: None To: Paula Subject: english translation Message: O que exatamente vc quer saber? What do you exactly wanna know? As terras que Still Crazy esta falando, realmente ficam na Argentina. The lands Still Crazy is talking about, really are on Argentina. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 12:35:35 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Paula Subject: english translation Message: Paula, I speak a little spanish, so sometimes I can pick up some portuguese and italian. I miss words now and again, though. Thanks. VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 23:10:29 (EST)
From: CD Email: None To: Zeca Subject: general information Message: The phone number for information in Brazil is: 11 852-7141 Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 23, 1998 at 21:27:31 (EST)
From: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Everyone Subject: Committee Message: It was proposed in the Heckle & Jeckle thread that there be a committee of people who could take over what has been hassling me as far as deciding forum policy for any particular offender. I had been hoping by the time I read down to the bottom of the thread that there would be one in place, but it didn't happen and the subject withered out. So I asked Katie to put one together and we could try it out. What I mainly need is just a cross-section of ex's who can argue out in hours what takes me days to process through my age-clogged neurons. They can use the Paradise backup forum which I password-protected to give it a closed-door feel. Then they can emerge with a decision without us peering over their shoulders and without them having to wade through uninvited posts. Hopefully this will be an improvement. If not we can always chip in and buy a coin. You people have all been very supportive of me and my efforts to make this forum work. Please show Katie et al the same support and back whatever decisions they come to on whatever questions they wrangle with. The reason why we make better time on the Internet than on the side-streets is because we didn't all get to insist on an onramp at the end of our own driveway. It was done by committee. It's a farther drive for some to the highway than for others, but once there we all get to drive like maniacs. Katie has shown a willingness to error on the side of tolerance and common sense and I've valued her input enough to send my long distance company so much money that they'll never have to bring me red and green bar graphs. I think she should be able to use her own common sense to decide who best reflects that cross-section of ex's. I don't care how she runs it myself and I'm certain that it will function much better without my insight :) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 01:21:32 (EST)
From: bill Email: None To: Brian Subject: Committee Message: can I visit paradise? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 02:03:33 (EST)
From: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: bill Subject: Committee Message: Bill, are you speaking literally or figuratively? (You remember what Paradise was like, but I'm not sure about if any of us remembers paradise...) Regards from Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 11:15:53 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Katie Subject: Committee Message: Dear Katie, I'm not sure if this is where you are recrutting people but I'd like to offer my services. As I said a couple of days ago, I may not be a good candidate because I don't own my own computer but I am more than willing to be a part of all of this if I am needed. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 14:44:33 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Committee Message: Hi Robyn - Thanks very much. I just e-mailed you. Have a good weekend! Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 11:26:39 (EST)
From: Still Crazy Email: None To: Katie Subject: Katie - A Suggestion Message: Come to an agreement on a formal decision-making process (e.g. majority, consensus) first, before you try to make any other decisions or policies. I've been on committees that tried to skip this step, feeling it was too formal or too much hassle, but the committees always suffered and usually broke up as a result. Just my 0.02 (no dollar-sign ;) -Still Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 14:12:54 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: Still Crazy Subject: Katie - A Suggestion Message: Thanks, that's a good suggestion. My idea is for a process like the U.S. Supreme Court has. That way someone can always write a dissenting opinion and put it on the forum if they are against the majority consensus. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 17:41:46 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Katie Subject: Katie - A Suggestion Message: Dear Katie, I like that idea, then the opposing view still has a voice in the committee. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 18:46:20 (EST)
From: Scott T. Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Katie - A Suggestion Message: Katie, Robyn, et al: Yes, and that way we can put 'Supreme Committee' on our resumes, too. Or, we can just say we are members of The Supremes. -Scott Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 19:10:13 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Scott T. Subject: The Supremes Message: So who will be Diana Ross? After all Diana is the real supreme! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 19:40:25 (EST)
From: Scott T. Email: None To: VP Subject: The Supremes Message: VP: Good question. An equally important issue is how we work out the harmonies. I'd also lke to try some of those synchronized steps. Will take a lot of proctice, however. -Scott Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 20:13:12 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Scott T. Subject: The Supremes Message: Scott and VP, First of all you guys will have to go in drag you know and how are we going to practice the harmonies and steps through the forum and email, eh? I am tan and have VERY curly hair so I think I would be a good Supreme! Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 at 00:16:10 (EST)
From: Cheeseman Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: Robyn Subject: The Supremes Message: I've got quite a good, though rusty, bass singing voice and would look quite good in a sixties style mini dress so long as I shaved my legs. But my moustache would give me away. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 23, 1998 at 19:59:36 (EST)
From: Nigel Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: Everyone Subject: Phlegm Rat Message: Funny things anagrams. Petrou might - if we're tolerant, and don't shoot him dead (oops!) - end up as 'Our Pet', a live premie exhibit for casual web-browsers who might otherwise be worried we could be overstating our case. For those who hadn't already noticed, 'Prem Pal Singh Rawat' anagramizes neatly into 'Phlegm Rat is a prawn'. Time for bed, methinks... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 23, 1998 at 20:54:56 (EST)
From: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Nigel Subject: Phlegm Rat Message: Thanks for the laugh, Nigel. Wonder if I could hook one of anagramizers up to the forum software to clarify premie posts... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 13:14:17 (EST)
From: Nigel Email: None To: Brian Subject: Phlegm Rat Message: I hope you don't think I'm using some clever software to do it, Brian. It was in fact the product of much hard sweat and wasted life on my own part. As is this one: BALYOGESHWAR PARAM SANT JI MAHARAJ = AH-HA! YOB'S GALA IN PREM RAWAT'S JAM JAR! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 16:10:21 (EST)
From: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Nigel Subject: Phlegm Rat Message: Ah, but they are freely available on the net and will spit out many hilarious versions that you wouldn't normally come across since some of the words might not be in your currently active vocabulary at the time. Most are tied up to a dictionary database, and the better ones attempt to place nouns, verbs, adjectives etc, in specific locations in the sentence. Even if not especially funny, they turn out legal sentences that way. But a deep bow for your efforts :) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 23, 1998 at 09:34:20 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Hey Petrou Message: Hey Petrou, you have posted here quite a bit, to put it mildly, but I really know nothing about you. How long have you been a follower of M, how old are you, were you around in the 70's, were you in the ashram, etc? Sometimes knowing someone's personal story gives more weight to their statements. Seems like all we've gotten from you are your comments and criticisms about us. Let's hear your story, so we can get to know you a little bit. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 23, 1998 at 10:23:27 (EST)
From: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: John Subject: Hey Petrou Message: He's had the chance to tell his story. He blew it. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 23, 1998 at 10:42:29 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: Brian Subject: WAHHHH! Message: And I was feeling so sensitive and kind this morning. Just like meditation on the silence within forced me to feel love for Richard M. Nixon in 1973, so today I feel such a strong human bond with Petrou. BTW, can anyone, meaning a premie, post a Journey's entry? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 23, 1998 at 11:14:02 (EST)
From: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: John Subject: Journeys entries Message: Journeys entries are for ex's only. We've all been where premies are and we tell about it there. Premies wanting to add a Journeys entry will have to arrive somewhere first, rather than just keep wandering in circles. And watch the required 6 months of introductory videos, of course... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 23, 1998 at 13:20:29 (EST)
From: Scott T. Email: None To: Brian Subject: Hey Petrou Message: Brian: I got the (mistaken) impression that Petrou had prevailed upon you to allow him to post on a limitted basis. Apparently he had, instead, worked out some trick that allowed him to post from a different ISP. Is that what happened? If so, I had an idea about charging a toll for premies that I'd like to repost. Not that I'm tied to the idea, but it is one of the options we might consider to manage the traffic a bit. -Scott Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 23, 1998 at 13:54:26 (EST)
From: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Scott T. Subject: Hey Petrou Message: He got around the block because I applied it to too small of a range of IP numbers. He apparently uses an ISP that has reserved a larger block of addresses than Vacol or Bruce (the only other blocks I ever implimented). I had seen that his IP addresses covered a wide range, but forgot about that and had to pay the price this morning by deleting a LOT of posts by him that slipped in while I slept. Down the line we may have to password protect IP's instead of blocking them. I don't like the thought that ex's who use the same IP as a pest should also have access blocked. Don't like it at all in fact... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |