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Robyn -:- Gratitude -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 12:48:58 (EST) __Robyn -:- Gratitude -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 12:51:49 (EST) ____Still Crazy -:- Gratitude -:- Mon, May 04, 1998 at 11:55:19 (EST) __Scott T. -:- Gratitude -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 13:01:02 (EST) ____Robyn -:- Gratitude/Jim -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 13:07:02 (EST) ______Scott T. -:- Gratitude/Jim -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 13:14:27 (EST) ________Robyn -:- Gratitude/Jim -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 13:23:24 (EST) ________Still Crazy -:- Gratitude/Jim -:- Mon, May 04, 1998 at 11:58:29 (EST) ____Robyn -:- Scott -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 13:18:43 (EST) ______Scott T. -:- Scott -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 13:25:51 (EST) ________May West -:- Scott -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 13:40:26 (EST) __Katie -:- Gratitude -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 13:52:45 (EST) __Robyn -:- Gratitude,JW,Mr Ex, JM -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 14:42:34 (EST) ____Carol -:- Gratitude,JW,Mr Ex, JM -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 14:58:48 (EST) ______Robyn -:- Gratitude,JW,Mr Ex, JM -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 15:25:21 (EST) ________Carol -:- Gratitude,JW,Mr Ex, JM -:- Sat, May 02, 1998 at 15:02:08 (EST) __________Robyn -:- Gratitude,JW,Mr Ex, JM -:- Sun, May 03, 1998 at 11:44:53 (EST) ____JW -:- Gratitude,JW,Mr Ex, JM -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 19:39:34 (EST) ______Robyn -:- Gratitude,JW,Mr Ex, JM -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 19:51:53 (EST) __Bill Cooper -:- Gratitude -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 17:04:56 (EST) __VP -:- Gratitude and off topic -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 17:55:23 (EST) __gumby -:- Gratitude -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 23:12:27 (EST) ____VP -:- Gratitude- a quote, or not -:- Sat, May 02, 1998 at 00:15:31 (EST) __attitude -:- Gratitude -:- Sat, May 02, 1998 at 00:50:14 (EST) ____Joy -:- Gratitude -:- Sat, May 02, 1998 at 13:51:38 (EST) ______VP -:- Gratitude -:- Mon, May 04, 1998 at 14:06:04 (EST) __Paula -:- Gratitude -:- Sat, May 02, 1998 at 21:13:16 (EST) __Mickey the Pharisee -:- Gratitude -:- Mon, May 04, 1998 at 19:56:26 (EST) ____Robyn -:- Gratitude -:- Mon, May 04, 1998 at 20:40:39 (EST) Paula -:- it is stupid, I know.... -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 01:25:01 (EST) __Rick -:- it is stupid, I know.... -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 02:02:15 (EST) ____Paula -:- it is stupid, I know.... -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 02:59:32 (EST) __Lord Cheese-Buscuit -:- it is stupid, I know.... -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 02:20:54 (EST) ____Paula -:- it is stupid, I know.... -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 03:07:53 (EST) ______Sherlock Cheese-Holmes -:- it is stupid, I know.... -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 05:54:59 (EST) ________Clementine -:- it is stupid, I know.... -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 08:47:45 (EST) ________Paula -:- it is stupid, I know.... -:- Sun, May 03, 1998 at 02:16:31 (EST) __________Robyn -:- it is stupid, I know.... -:- Sun, May 03, 1998 at 12:03:54 (EST) __Jean-Michel -:- language -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 09:20:09 (EST) ____Still Crazy -:- language -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 12:48:58 (EST) ____Paula -:- language -:- Sat, May 02, 1998 at 21:21:47 (EST) bb -:- for EB -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 00:52:18 (EST) __Katie -:- to bb off topic -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 09:42:03 (EST) __eb -:- for EB -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 17:11:30 (EST) ____E -:- B -:- Sat, May 02, 1998 at 00:53:46 (EST) ______gumby -:- B -:- Sat, May 02, 1998 at 02:42:33 (EST) ______Gerry -:- B -:- Sat, May 02, 1998 at 13:57:16 (EST) ________Still Crazy -:- B -:- Mon, May 04, 1998 at 11:53:09 (EST) gumby -:- Dam... -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 00:47:04 (EST) __Carol -:- Dam... -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 00:59:27 (EST) __Robyn -:- Dam... -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 09:18:56 (EST) Brian -:- Archive online -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 00:18:08 (EST) gumby -:- Wow, This is fun... -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 23:18:40 (EST) __gumby -:- Wow, This is fun... -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 01:54:21 (EST) ____gumby -:- Legal question... -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 01:57:40 (EST) ______Jean-Michel -:- Legal question... -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 09:12:52 (EST) ______Jim -:- Legal question... -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 15:35:56 (EST) ________Scott T. -:- Legal question... -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 18:31:52 (EST) __________Katie -:- Dissertations - off topic -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 18:34:59 (EST) ____________Scott T. -:- Dissertations - off topic -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 18:46:40 (EST) ____________Robyn -:- Dissertations - off topic -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 19:49:48 (EST) __________JW -:- Legal questi.Scott and Gumby -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 18:42:54 (EST) ____________gumby -:- Legal questi.Scott and Gumby -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 20:29:02 (EST) __________gumby -:- Legal question... -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 20:31:18 (EST) ____________Scott T. -:- Legal question... -:- Sun, May 03, 1998 at 15:14:42 (EST) ______________gumby -:- Essay Contest... -:- Mon, May 04, 1998 at 00:18:11 (EST) ____Mickey the Pharisee -:- Wow, This is fun... -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 02:25:26 (EST) ____Carol -:- Wow, This is fun... -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 15:13:02 (EST) ______Scott T. -:- Wow, This is fun... -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 18:38:45 (EST) __Bill Cooper -:- Amazing Grain -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 05:02:15 (EST) ____Selena -:- Amazing Grain -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 12:03:54 (EST) John -:- Feeling the Word -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 12:06:37 (EST) __Robyn -:- Feeling the Word -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 12:42:18 (EST) ____Gerry -:- Feeling the Word -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 12:48:14 (EST) ______Selena -:- Feeling the Word -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 13:41:31 (EST) ________Robyn -:- Feeling the Word -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 09:26:49 (EST) __________Selena -:- Feeling the Word -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 21:06:03 (EST) ____________Robyn -:- Selena -:- Sat, May 02, 1998 at 13:17:54 (EST) ____VP -:- The big O -:- Sat, May 02, 1998 at 01:05:00 (EST) __Sir David -:- Feeling the Word -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 21:46:20 (EST) ____Robyn -:- Feeling the Word -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 09:32:14 (EST) __Bill Burke -:- How I view the rawat threat -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 23:04:51 (EST) ____Mili -:- How I view the rawat threat -:- Sun, May 03, 1998 at 14:30:32 (EST) Cheeseman -:- A misunderstanding -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 09:02:36 (EST) __bill -:- The knighthood of chessman -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 17:05:48 (EST) Selena -:- gurusome recycling issue -:- Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 21:07:47 (EST) __Katie -:- gurusome recycling issue -:- Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 23:30:04 (EST) ____Selena -:- gurusome recycling issue -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 01:46:24 (EST) ______Katie -:- gurusome recycling issue -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 09:39:22 (EST) ________Katie -:- P.S. to Selena -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 10:09:04 (EST) __bill -:- gurusome recycling issue -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 00:44:31 (EST) __Robyn -:- gurusome recycling issue -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 10:40:14 (EST) ____Gerry -:- gurusome recycling issue -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 10:52:35 (EST) ______Robyn -:- gurusome recycling issue -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 11:03:02 (EST) ________Selena -:- gurusome recycling issue -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 12:09:45 (EST) __________Robyn -:- gurusome recycling issue -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 12:44:36 (EST) ____Selena -:- ex premie alter altar tree -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 00:03:59 (EST) ______gumby -:- ex premie alter altar tree -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 02:00:53 (EST) ______Scott T. -:- Sundance -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 09:28:38 (EST) ________Robyn -:- Sundance -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 09:46:20 (EST) ________Carol -:- Sundance long-my experience -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 14:48:25 (EST) __________Scott T. -:- Sundance long-my experience -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 19:01:51 (EST) ____________Carol -:- Sundance long-my experience -:- Sat, May 02, 1998 at 15:15:22 (EST) ______Robyn -:- ex premie alter altar tree -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 09:41:32 (EST) __VP -:- Write some reviews! -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 12:49:58 (EST) ____Robyn -:- Write some reviews! -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 12:53:20 (EST) ____Selena -:- UG! -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 12:57:38 (EST) ______John -:- The lonely farmer in my foot -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 13:51:43 (EST) ________Selena -:- The lonely farmer in my foot -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 14:00:46 (EST) __________fanny -:- give me some skin -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 17:14:39 (EST) ____________Selena -:- recycling bm -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 18:37:29 (EST) ____________Katie -:- To Bill - re: lipstick tapes -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 20:26:16 (EST) ______________Selena -:- anticipating lipstick tapes -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 23:30:05 (EST) ____________VP -:- Quick! Call Christie's! -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 17:49:22 (EST) ________Clementine -:- The lonely farmer in my foot -:- Fri, May 01, 1998 at 09:48:54 (EST) __Selena -:- they're yours! -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 12:53:12 (EST) ____Katie -:- they're yours! -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 14:56:05 (EST) ______Selena -:- they're yours! -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 15:18:23 (EST) ________Katie -:- they're yours! -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 15:21:21 (EST) ______smoochie -:- cassettes -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 17:18:42 (EST) ________Selena -:- cassettes -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 17:43:42 (EST) __________Katie -:- Thank you Selena! -:- Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 17:49:34 (EST) |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 12:48:58 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Everyone Subject: Gratitude Message: To all, I have been overcome this day with gratitude for all of you and the forum. I have posted many times that the forum is THE ONE thing in my life during this very hectic time, that keeps 'me' in the forefront of my thoughts. I would be very easily set by the wayside otherwise, I'm sure. I have been awakened as I think some others have, to abuses cased by BM that we ourselves did not experience. This site also holds great potential for those aspirants and fence post sitting premies to experience reality checks and for those recent ex's to open up and begin healing. Excuse me here but I feel the need to name a few or most of you: bill burke: at first I didn't read you much, I have an adversion to religion but have come to value your posts in spite of your Christian beliefs and see you as a gentle caring soul who wants to keep BM's casualties to a minimum. Mickey: another religous person who has helped me get over my prejudes against the same because of your regular dad/person side you have shown me here. I don't want to imply that if someone is religious I don't like them but I usually do back off and run! Brian: a good man to his soul who has given all of us more than we could ever repay him for and a man with a lot of insight when he gets the chance to share it. Jim: who sees this life so differently from me and who I wish sometimes had a prescription for valium (just kidding) but has a true passion for stopping this cult from claiming anymore lives and of course for his great humor. You along with Rick and John have also helped me begin to deal with confrontation and I value these lessons highly. Katie: whose kind honesty and correspondence has brought her to a very special place in my heart. VP: who also has a spot there in my heart and is just a generally wonderful new connection. Paula: whose way of dealing intriges me and whom I am enjoying getting to know. David aka the Cheeseman: a wonderful example for me of what life can bring if love is the touch stone for everyday. Bobby: I hope you will still be lurking to see this. I felt I knew you a bit from the archives and although I sense you are a very intense person I think what you have been through and where it has brought you are so worth while. I think the work you do with madness and spirituality is very important. Scott: You intelligence although sometimes above my understanding certainly keeps me learning and when you combine it with your wit is joyous. I also really appreciate your advise on my writing and computer woes. Incidentlly, have you noticed I'm using more commas? Larkin: Is, of course, an invaluable member of our group with his special gift of poetic humor. Glad you changed those colors too! I for one would like to know more about who you are but such is life. Bill Cooper: I think I know you some from the archives too and it is good to see you here again. Steve A.: is less familiar but still some of your posts have touched me with their sensitivity and caring. Gumby, eb, Lg, Selena and now Carol: I don't know any one of you real well but I enjoy each one of you and appreciate our female solidarity in this formerly male majority. Gerry, Carol, and david f.: Welcome to all of you and thank you for coming out of the shadows and letting us 'hear' you and learn from your thoughts and experiences. To all of you still in the shadows: We are each here for many reasons and reap many benifits from our presence here but one of the reasons is to connect to any of you and hopefully help you in some small way. CD: Thanks for sticking it out here for so long, maybe someday we will be proud to call you one of us. If not that's OK to. Premies: We were all where you are and sometimes forget how zealous we were about M. I see value in the exchanges I've been involved with, with you here and I can always agree to dissagree. If any of you are getting to know me at all you must realize that I can be a sentimental old cus and before I start blubbering I will just thank you all again and sign off. Robyn/Clementine/Robert I could end up with multiple personality dissorder resulting from my experiences on this forum maybe I'm not so thankfull after all...just kidding Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 12:51:49 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Robyn Subject: Gratitude Message: Still Crazy, I knew I'd forget some but want you to know that I have gotten a lot from your posts and that I love your name. It made me think of Crazy Horse, Neil Young before the real explination came out. I still think of you like a wild horse with mane flailing in the wind. Odd I know but I like the image. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 04, 1998 at 11:55:19 (EST)
From: Still Crazy Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Gratitude Message: Thanks, Robyn, I enjoy your posts too. -Still Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 13:01:02 (EST)
From: Scott T. Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Gratitude Message: Robyn: You are a very special person. Your contributions to the forum are uniquely valuable. I envy that old cowpoke taking up space in your foot. You've been a litle hard on Jim, however. Oh well, he can take it.. -Scott Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 13:07:02 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Scott T. Subject: Gratitude/Jim Message: Dear Jim, Scott thought I was hard on you so I went back and reread what I said to you. I am usually very sensitive to people's feelings and honestly don't think I said anything hurtful. If I did I am sorry. I do think we are worlds apart on how we view/deal with our surroundings but I value your passion and the opportunity you've given me to confront my fear of confrontation. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 13:14:27 (EST)
From: Scott T. Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Gratitude/Jim Message: Robyn: I was just kidding. Thought it would get a laugh. You're not hard on anyone, and Jim's hard on everyone, so thought the irony of the statment would be amusing. It's a genetic flaw, like my webbed toes. -Scott Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 13:23:24 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs To: Scott T. Subject: Gratitude/Jim Message: Oh Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 04, 1998 at 11:58:29 (EST)
From: Still Crazy Email: None To: Scott T. Subject: Gratitude/Jim Message: It's a genetic flaw, like my webbed toes. Your toes are webbed? What's the URL? -Still Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 13:18:43 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Scott T. Subject: Scott Message: Dear Scott, Thanks for your kind words. I do have 2 feet you know. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 13:25:51 (EST)
From: Scott T. Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Scott Message: Robyn: I think I have a duck in my right foot, webbed toes and all. It hurts when I run long distance. -Scott Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 13:40:26 (EST)
From: May West Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Scott T. Subject: Scott Message: Dear Scott, I thought if I started using different names it would look to others like there were more people involved in this thread than just you and me. Shhhh, don't tell anyone. As far as you duck hurting your foot, you need to get to know it, embrace it as you, your own and it will be OK. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 13:52:45 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Gratitude Message: Thank you, Robyn. I am very grateful for your presence on the forum as well. I think your posts are great - they're so spontaneous and lively, and you are really nice to people as well. I appreciate it very much. Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 14:42:34 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: JW,Mr Ex, & JM Subject: Gratitude,JW,Mr Ex, JM Message: Dear JW, Mr. Ex, and JM, As I said I knew I'd forget some but, JW, I could barely enjoy tanning after I realized I'd forgotten you. That's loyalty, eh, gone for a few days and look what happens. You are one of my favorites really and your posts are thoughtful and sincere. I feel you are a gentle soul and I am glad I've 'met' you here. Mr. Ex, I respect you for standing up to your devotion and seeing things as they really are and having the strength to change your life and also for the important info you've posted here. JM, your first post was a valuable addition to the forum and I welcome your honest feelings and perseptions. Thanks again guys, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 14:58:48 (EST)
From: Carol Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Gratitude,JW,Mr Ex, JM Message: How about Anonymous? Premie or not? I used to see those posts awhile back. Carol Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 15:25:21 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Carol Subject: Gratitude,JW,Mr Ex, JM Message: Dear Carol, Thanks, I don't remember Anonymous but Anon is another I've forgotten, I wonder if that is who you mean? Let me just say here that I appreciate everyone and anyone who posts here in general. Carol, I wondered when I read about the Sundance if women were allowed to partake. Is that something new or was it always that way? Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 02, 1998 at 15:02:08 (EST)
From: Carol Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Gratitude,JW,Mr Ex, JM Message: I think it is a newer thing to allow women. But strict rules apply about women 'on their moon'. They must go to a moon lodge..a separate place away from the camp in the woods. I spent most of 2 of the dances there. It was actually a great retreat because meals were brought to us from the 'kitchen' and we could just talk or sleep or read or do crafts. We could hear the distant drumming and songs. I almost wish I had a moon lodge to go to every month! I guess they believe that women's energies are too strong and opposite the male energies. They thought being around a menstuating woman would weaken the male dancers. But for the women on their moon, powerful dreams and intuitive feelings would increase... lots of superstition in the traditional native religions. Some women dancers chose to have thier upper arms pierced and a feather attached during the dance.Carol Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 03, 1998 at 11:44:53 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Carol Subject: Gratitude,JW,Mr Ex, JM Message: Dear Carol, Thanks for the explination. One of my dearest friends, who is not Native American but identified with Native American culture as a small very abused and neglected child. It is amazing how much he looks like a Native American. Almost all I know of their beliefs I learned from this man. It is another thing that I have a great desire to learn that I put off until, I have time for me. It is that feeling that drew me to that first quote you posted. Learning about herbs and healing is another. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 19:39:34 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Gratitude,JW,Mr Ex, JM Message: Thank you, Robyn, I always enjoy reading your posts. They're very thoughtful, honest and often funny. Yes, I was out on your coast for a few days, but it was business so I didn't get to have as much fun as I would have liked. But I did get to see an ex-premie friend in Newton, Mass, whom I hadn't seen in years, and who might just start posting soon, as she is about to become computer-enabled. Thanks again. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 19:51:53 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: JW Subject: Gratitude,JW,Mr Ex, JM Message: Dear JW, Glad to 'see' you're back and that I remembered you before I saw you posting again. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 17:04:56 (EST)
From: Bill Cooper Email: billnlynda@xtra.co.nz To: Robyn Subject: Gratitude Message: Hi Robyn, I lurk alot these days as I really find that other people say what I feel much better than I do. What is great is getting to know people over months from their outpourings, ranging from intellectual ramblings, slagging matches and really deep stuff straight from the heart. My wife can`t understand why I cant just get over it and move on but this site now has some of the qualities of sitting down to watch a good soap. Bill Cooper Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 17:55:23 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Gratitude and off topic Message: Thanks to you, too, Robyn. I feel the same way. Many people here have been so great to me. Violet says 'Hello' BTW-she was at the gym this week. Man, stay away for a couple of days and this place is just exploding with new people, isn't it? That's really great. Got a lot of work to do...but I will be talking to you and everyone in a day or so :)VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 23:12:27 (EST)
From: gumby Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Gratitude Message: Hi Robyn, Thank you for your feelings of gratitude. I wish them to be multiplied many-fold within you. GAGBWY -gumby Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 02, 1998 at 00:15:31 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Gratitude- a quote, or not Message: Hey, Robyn, M has a quote about gratitude but according to his latest literature, it is copyrighted and I can't even share it with you here...Oh, well, it really wasn't that great anyway. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 02, 1998 at 00:50:14 (EST)
From: attitude Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Gratitude Message: I gotta agree, the people and thier views have really helped my out of a very stuck trap. Anon is a gem, and actually Mili (when he wasnt at war), would bring up interesting posts quite often. Rick is top notch and EB and JW saved my butt sometimes. John and Mark comes sailing in sometimes with the nail on the head and our Free frenchman the great Jean. I must be overlooking someone. b Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 02, 1998 at 13:51:38 (EST)
From: Joy Email: bluebirdd@aol.com To: attitude Subject: Gratitude Message: Now, this thread is what gratitude is all about. People saying how much something means to them. NOT the kind of 'gratitude' that M requests -- darshan lines, huge donations, 30 million dollar jet planes. That's not gratitude, that's extortion. And VP, see JW's comments re copyrights, and then let's see what Maharaji thinks gratitude is, okay? Go ahead and share it, please. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 04, 1998 at 14:06:04 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Joy Subject: Gratitude Message: Hi, Joy. I am not sure how a quote that someone speaks in public can be copyrighted, but maybe there is a way. Actually I'm not really afraid, just thought I'd mention that little info. Here are a few quotes for you: 1) For the really dense among us: 'It doesn't matter how old you are or how young you are, you have life.' Ok...no shit! I will until I am dead, that's for sure. 2) The gratitude one: 'Begin by being thankful, by being conscious.' I think he's referring to the extortion you mentioned above. 3) 'Life is meant to be enjoyed.' Okay, I agree with him there. I don't think anyone really has the copyright on this one, though. I know people who have said this who have never heard of M. I'd love to tell them they are quoting 'Four car Garaji' but I'd be laughed out of town. VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 02, 1998 at 21:13:16 (EST)
From: Paula Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Gratitude Message: I feel honored, Robyn... but.... I don't deal with anything....you deal with a lot of things togehter and I appreciate that. Maybe what you meant that I don't face things with my feelings, and that is right and very simple... well... this way you don't need to practice any kind of meditation after discussions, or feel bad about anything....no mistery at all!! have a nice weekend! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 04, 1998 at 19:56:26 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: Robyn Subject: Gratitude Message: Hi Robyn, I've been away for several days but I'm trying to catch up! I always enjoy your posts, and let me tell you, I often have the same reaction regarding religious people; they make me want to run away, too! Michael Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 04, 1998 at 20:40:39 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Gratitude Message: Dear Micheal, You are the type of religous person that regular folk like me could relate to. I think I mentioned in the begining of this thread, or I thought about it, that knowing you wanted non-religous things for your birthday was an important piece of info for me. I have known other Minister's and Priest's like that but they have been few and far between in my experience. When I was a kid there was a young priest that was real and human and could relate to people. There were always a group of kids visting him after school and we all loved it when a house wife pulled up into the driveway and he would go over and let them do a confesion, he called it toot ant tell. The head priest (can't remember the title) got rid of him though as he was a ridged, judgemental priest and couldn't tolerate all that openess. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 01:25:01 (EST)
From: Paula Email: None To: Everyone Subject: it is stupid, I know.... Message: I know it sounds stupid.... but I really want to know what does these 2 cents means... I read in many messages...... 2 cents here.... 2 cents there.... 2 cents to someone..... What does it mean? Why '2 cents'? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 02:02:15 (EST)
From: Rick Email: None To: Paula Subject: it is stupid, I know.... Message: 'My two cents' means 'it's just my opinion'. It probably originated in the early part of the century, when two cents could actually buy you something. Another saying about advice is 'That and a dime won't get you a bus ride.' Rick Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 02:59:32 (EST)
From: Paula Email: None To: Rick Subject: it is stupid, I know.... Message: thank you, Rick... It is a very funny expression...if you did not tell me, I would have not even imagined it as a possible meaning. :) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 02:20:54 (EST)
From: Lord Cheese-Buscuit Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: Paula Subject: it is stupid, I know.... Message: Over here in England we say 'here's my two penny worth'. What do they say in Italy? Here's my two Liras worth? Doesn't quite have the same ring to it. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 03:07:53 (EST)
From: Paula Email: None To: Lord Cheese-Buscuit Subject: it is stupid, I know.... Message: Well, David.... I cannot even imagine how they say it in Italian...I don't have any idea.... but.. in Portugal, there is a sentence....'se conselho fosse bom, não se dava, se vendia'. which means.... 'if an opinion was good, people would not give it, they would sell it'. :) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 05:54:59 (EST)
From: Sherlock Cheese-Holmes Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: Paula Subject: it is stupid, I know.... Message: My brilliant powers of deduction had arrived at the ultumate conclusion that you were in Italy. Foiled again! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 08:47:45 (EST)
From: Clementine Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Sherlock Cheese-Holmes Subject: it is stupid, I know.... Message: Dear Cheese, I, as a geographer felt I had to solve that one awhile back, but I got it right! Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 03, 1998 at 02:16:31 (EST)
From: Paula Email: None To: Sherlock Cheese-Holmes Subject: it is stupid, I know.... Message: yes it is true..... Robyn found out the exact place I live.... maybe she can guess the street too! if you have any secret, take care!! Robyn can guess everything! hehehehe Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 03, 1998 at 12:03:54 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Paula Subject: it is stupid, I know.... Message: Dear Paula, I didn't guess so well, those words in Portugese, you posted to Zena! Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 09:20:09 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Paula Subject: language Message: what is you mother language ? in French we have almost the same expression: mettre mon grain de sel like 'add my grain of salt' doesn't mean much in english.... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 12:48:58 (EST)
From: Still Crazy Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: language Message: There is an expression in (American) English: 'Take it with a grain of salt.' This means to view a statement with scepticism or not accept it without reservation. -Still Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 02, 1998 at 21:21:47 (EST)
From: Paula Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: language Message: Salut, Jean Michel! My mother language is Portuguese. But..... I don't think it is the same expression.... heheheh.... at least, both of them are related to non importance of opinions. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 00:52:18 (EST)
From: bb Email: None To: Everyone Subject: for EB Message: dear eb, you kind of went quiet around the time i kidded you about buddha's attitude about women. It might have been unrelated, but just in case, I was referring to the attitude of buddha. I just wanted to make sure I didnt accidentaly make you shy. If I did I certainly didnt mean to. Look a thread in your honor! B Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 09:42:03 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: bb Subject: to bb off topic Message: Hi Bill - I am borrowing eb's thread for a minute to tell you that I tried to return your e-mail last night but it bounced back. So I will send it to the bill52 address (do you ever read that one? I hope so.). OK, now you and eb can have the thread back. (Hi eb!) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 17:11:30 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: bb Subject: for EB Message: Dear bb, I am so honored! (And a big hello to you Katie). Bill, don't worry--I wasn't scared off. Your Buddha post just happened to coincide with (or perhaps it was the catalyst for) an urge I had to go within to contemplate my true nature. I discovered a profound sense of relief that I have lost my religion and found my car keys. With gratitude and love for you all, eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 02, 1998 at 00:53:46 (EST)
From: E Email: None To: eb Subject: B Message: the premies in rockville conn in 74 used to say: who has my garage keys instead of; who is guru maharaji Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 02, 1998 at 02:42:33 (EST)
From: gumby Email: None To: E Subject: B Message: Which way to Chicago, or by bus... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 02, 1998 at 13:57:16 (EST)
From: Gerry Email: None To: E Subject: B Message: I like that one. Guess we've all heard 'Jay sack of bananas' and ' Ball-Bag Go on Jee' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 04, 1998 at 11:53:09 (EST)
From: Still Crazy Email: None To: Gerry Subject: B Message: Don't forget 'Never delay in getting your socks on.' My brother said at MIT M was usually referred to as 'Two-Car Gaharaji.' -Still Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 00:47:04 (EST)
From: gumby Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Dam... Message: This was an actual letter from, and reply to, the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality. State of Michigan Reply To: Grand Rapids District Office State Office Building 6th Floor 350 Ottawa NW Grand Rapids MI 49503-2341 John Engler, Governor Department Of Environmental Quality Hollister Building, PO Box 30473, Lansing MI 48909-7973 Russell J. Harding, Director December 17, 1997 CERTIFIED Mr. Ryan DeVries 2088 Dagget Pierson, MI 49339 Dear Mr. DeVries: SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023-1 T11N, R10W, Sec. 20, Montcalm County It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity: Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all unauthorized activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the strewn channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than Jan. 31, 1998. Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action. We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter. Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions. Sincerely, David L. Price District Representative Land and Water Management Division Reply Letter---- Dear Mr. Price: Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N, R10W, Sec 20; Montcalm County Your certified letter dated 12/17/97 has been handed to me to respond to. You sent out a great deal of carbon copies to a lot of people, but you neglected to include their addresses. You will, therefore, have to send them a copy of my response. First of all, Mr. Ryan DeVries is not the legal landowner and/or contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan - I am the legal owner and a couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing & maintaining two wood 'debris' dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, nor authorize their dam project, I think they would be highly offended you call their skillful use of natural building materials 'debris.' I would like to challenge you to attempt to emulate their dam project any dam time and/or any dam place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no dam way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic. As to your dam request the beavers first must fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity, my first dam question to you is: are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers or do you require all dam beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request? If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, please send me completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws annotated. My first concern is - aren't the dam beavers entitled to dam legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said dam representation - so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event causing dam flooding is proof we should leave the dam Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling their dam names. If you want the dam stream 'restored' to a dam free-flow condition - contact the dam beavers - but if you are going to arrest them (they obviously did not pay any dam attention to your dam letter - being unable to read English) - be sure you read them their dam Miranda rights first. As for me, I am not going to cause more dam flooding or dam debris jams by interfering with these dam builders. If you want to hurt these dam beavers - be aware I am sending a copy of your dam letter and this response to PETA. If your dam Department seriously finds all dams of this nature inherently hazardous and truly will not permit their existence in this dam State - I seriously hope you are not selectively enforcing this dam policy - or once again both I and the Spring Pond Beavers will scream prejudice! In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their dam unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have more dam right than I to live and enjoy Spring Pond. So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more dam elevated enforcement action now. Why wait until 1/31/98? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then and there will be no dam way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then. In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention a real environmental quality (health) problem; bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the dam beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!) Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office. Sincerely, Stephen L. Tvedten xc: PETA Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 00:59:27 (EST)
From: Carol Email: None To: gumby Subject: Dam... Message: That's great. I copied it to share with others!!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 09:18:56 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: gumby Subject: Dam... Message: Dear gumby, Thanks, that was a wonderful letter. I am going to copy it and show it to some friends that live near by. They have some persistant beavers doing their thing which just happens to flood the nearby road which of course freezes in the winter causing quite a mess. Officials have caught these beavers in cages numorous times and relocated them but they just seem to like the spot, it's home, and keep coming back. It is nice to see all the local residence on the side of the beaver, inconvience and all. Finally road crews did some construction to divert the flooding and now beaver, neighbors and PennDOT all co-exist harmoniously! I'm sure this letter will be passed around and enjoyed by this group. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 00:18:08 (EST)
From: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Everyone Subject: Archive online Message: I got distracted earlier today by my J - O - B, but it's online now. The sooner I hit the lotto the better. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 23:18:40 (EST)
From: gumby Email: megumby@hotmail.com To: Everyone Subject: Wow, This is fun... Message: Hi Everyone, I just got a copy of Who is Guru Maharaj Ji. Lets see, oh here is something interesting, pg. xi from the introduction by Rennie Davis: (Is he still around? It would be cool to see what he is doing these days.)'...Every part of me wants to shake this country awake. I feel like shouting in the streets. If we knew who he was, we would crawl across America on our hands and knees to rest our head at his feet. Does anyone have a pair of knee pads I can borrow? Oops, you already lent them out! Shucks. :) It is a good thing that he slipped in the backdoor just in the nick of time. GAGBWY -gumby Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 01:54:21 (EST)
From: gumby Email: None To: gumby Subject: Wow, This is fun... Message: Somebody earlier proposed to start collecting m's quotes: Here are a few to add to the collection: (All taken from Who Is Guru Maharaj Ji?) p.20 Divine Light There is a glorious sun, not the sun you see in the sky, but a sun which is within ourselves which is much brighter than the sun you see in the sky. When the sun comes out, it only dispels the darkness, but when the this sun comes out, it dispels the darkness and ignorance both. It is much brighter than the sun that shines out. It is all within us, just within us.. p.21 Music There is music going on inside of yourselves, and God plays that music. It is so symmetrical, so beautiful, that on the first strike, man's mind is concentrated. p.22 Nectar People drink wine and they say 'cheers'. When you share this divine wine, this divine nectar, it is really a cheer. p.22/23 The Word The world thinks, people think, God is a man. People think God has ears, nose, teeth, and he rises early in the morning, brushes his teeth, washes out his mouth and he is an old man so he brushes out his beard also. But no, God is energy. God is perfect and pure energy, and that is why scientists say that energy cannot be created and cannot be destroyed... This is the Word. This is God. And so writes m... GAGBWY -gumby Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 01:57:40 (EST)
From: gumby Email: None To: Jim Subject: Legal question... Message: Jim, What are the copyright laws concerning books? Could someone, say, scan a book that was (c)1973 and put it on the net? With acknowlegdements? Without? GAGBWY -gumby Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 09:12:52 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: gumby Subject: Legal question... Message: I just dug my copy out of my wardrobe's mess: it's copyrighted, and Shri Hans Productions owned 1973! SHP disappeared, and Visions is running the business. Their copyrights might still be owned by someone, maybe not. It's been published by Bantam books Inc., NY maybe you should check with them? 'Somebody' will be a bit more pissed off ... and his lawyer will get some more white hair:-))) (I love him anyway) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 15:35:56 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: gumby Subject: Legal question... Message: Gumby, This isn't my field but I'm pretty sure that you're allowed to republish fairly large sections of anything for other than commercial use, i.e. for criticism, study or commentary. But beside that, who the hell's going to sue anyone here? (Well, I guess that was your question, right?) I can't see it being a problem is my guess. Jim Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 18:31:52 (EST)
From: Scott T. Email: None To: Jim Subject: Legal question... Message: Isn't copyright limited in duration? I just submitted one for my dissertation, which I'm sure everyone is getting in line to rip off. Those statistical studies are real page turners! Maybe they'll make it into a TV movie. I have to get to work on the script. -Scott Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 18:34:59 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: Scott T. Subject: Dissertations - off topic Message: Hi Scott - I'm not sure if everyone has to do this, but at both the schools I attended, you had to make a copy of your thesis or dissertation to put in the campus library (just in case anyone EVER wanted to read it, I suppose). Everyone I knew used to make jokes about putting a five dollar bill between two of the pages in their dissertation, and coming back a year later and finding that it was still there. So I know what you mean... Take care, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 18:46:40 (EST)
From: Scott T. Email: None To: Katie Subject: Dissertations - off topic Message: Katie: Yes, I had to submit two copies on 100% cotton bond. What an anachronism in this age of CD-Roms, etc. I also had to submit a copy to University Microfilms, Inc. (UMI), sending them $85 so that they can sell MY WORK for $35 a pop. Well, at least I get a 10% royalty, so I can take my annual $7 and invest it in mutual funds. -Scott Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 19:49:48 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Katie Subject: Dissertations - off topic Message: Dear Katie, My snippet daughter who I love dearly STOLE her leather bound thesis out of the library at her school. She said she was interested in having it and no one else would read it. Then someone she knew did want it for research for a paper or something and gave her hell. She still has it though. The Pip! Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 18:42:54 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Scott T. Subject: Legal questi.Scott and Gumby Message: Hello, Scott. The US Copyright law effective, I think, in the late 70s provides that a copyright lasts for the life of the author plus 50 years, if the copyright holder is an individual. I think it a corporation holds the right, it might be 75 years from the date of copyright. As to Gumby's question, the statute allows for the 'fair use' by others of a copyrighted work for certain purposes such as teaching, research, criticism, or comment. Usually, if the person using the work isn't getting any commercial gain buy reproducing it, especially if it's just a portion of the work, and if reproducing it doesn't decrease the value of the work, then the courts usually don't find a violation. In this case, the 'work' (WIGMJ) is basically worthless, except as a collectors item in the original form, so I can't see how anyone could complain if it's reprinted, except I think M and his minions would be mighty embarrassed everytime it is. Moreover, as Jim said, who the hell would sue and for what damages? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 20:29:02 (EST)
From: gumby Email: None To: JW Subject: Legal questi.Scott and Gumby Message: Hi JW, Thanks for the info. I was wondering about the whole question from the perspective of having the document online so that people with interest, curiosity, for the sake of research, etc. could access the resource right here on the net. Of course, many of the false teachings of m would be plainly visible for anyone to see. But hey, if you are Lord of the Universe, and you will bring peace to the world why wouldn't you want to share your message with as many people as possible? Maybe it would be better to start with a compilation of m's quotes, put that somewhere on the site. (I believe someone has already proposed this?) Grace and peace be with you. -gumby Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 20:31:18 (EST)
From: gumby Email: None To: Scott T. Subject: Legal question... Message: Hi Scott, What is the topic of your dissertation? GAGBWY -gumby Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 03, 1998 at 15:14:42 (EST)
From: Scott T. Email: None To: gumby Subject: Legal question... Message: Gumby: The influence of political values and money in the 1996 congressional elections. Campaign Finance, etc. There is an outline summary at http://mason.gmu.edu/~stalking -Scott Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 04, 1998 at 00:18:11 (EST)
From: gumby Email: None To: Scott T. Subject: Essay Contest... Message: Hi Scott, I was looking at your website. I noticed that you were in a Essay contest: Semi-Finalist, Christian Science Monitor Essay Contest. What was that paper about? Is it online? GAGBWY -gumby Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 02:25:26 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: gumby Subject: Wow, This is fun... Message: Oh Gumby, you're just gonna LOVE Chapter 4, beginning on page 25! Once I read that I realized where that silliness of Petrou and all about Jesus comes from! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 15:13:02 (EST)
From: Carol Email: None To: gumby Subject: Wow, This is fun... Message: That quote about God being energy not a man seems right to me. That's the hard part, some of the message and gift was real IMHO. It just doesn't belong to anybody in particular to 'reveal' Carol Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 18:38:45 (EST)
From: Scott T. Email: None To: Carol Subject: Wow, This is fun... Message: Carol: It is hard for me to perceive God as energy, since by definition energy is entropic. Alot of people believe God to be energy, but I think what they mean is that they experience God through energy, or associate God with certain kinds of radiance, etc. It's a sort of metaphor. -Scott Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 05:02:15 (EST)
From: Bill Cooper Email: billnlynda@xtra.co.nz To: everyone Subject: Amazing Grain Message: I got to thinking about the past. When I was a premie in Leicester UK I used to work for a while in the premie run wholefood shop called Amazing Grain. I have often considered it would be good material for an alternative sitcom. The baker was one of the biggest local dealers and the police photographed the coming and going of clients for several months before he was finally arrested. There was a local Indian restaurant next door and we were continually infested with rats. The Indian went bust and a porn store opened up next to us. That at least allowed us to stop sieving the flour in the cellar for rat shit which we used to do and then would we sell it to the public that were looking for pure food.. There were many crazy and sickly customers who were obviously looking for more than brown rice could offer and we ripped them off. We could do this and much more because we were doing it for the Lord, because in the end we were all involved in the business of raising money for GM. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 12:03:54 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: Bill Cooper Subject: Amazing Grain Message: Yup, we had the same bakery on 4th ave in our little city. I remember someone saying 'They snort a gram of coke a day but red meat will never touch their lips' That just about summed up the vegetarian psuedo macrobiotics that ran the place. Lots of the premie workers too. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 12:06:37 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Feeling the Word Message: Somewhere below, Still Crazy talks about meditation and says that she/he 'feels the word'. About 7 or 8 years ago, my meditation on my breath changed dramatically. I started to feel a vibration or a pulse all through my body. For a long time I wondered what the hell was going on because though I had heard 'The word' or 'The Holy Name' described as a primordial vibration, I had never actually 'felt' a vibration. So anyway, it really freaked me out because I thought it was my heartbeat speeding up and slowing down but I realized it couldn't be my heart. I gradually came to accept this new perception, and I still feel it when I focus on my breath. There is nothing inherently special or wonderful or peaceful or blissful about feeling this vibration. In fact, sometimes it is so intense and violent that I have to stop paying attention to it. Does anyone else feel this? In the years I followed M I never heard him talk about this experience of the breath technique. In experimenting with it, I have found that there are different feelings to this vibration/pulse. I can percieve it in my forehead, in my chest, in my abdomen and sometimes everywhere at once. I know from the little bit I know of acupuncture that there are many pulses throughout the body, so maybe I am somehow tuning into these pulses? One big positive to this is that I have found that paying attention to this vibration has helped me develop self-awareness when dreaming. So anyway, I am wondering how many of us still 'feel the word' and also what it feels like and has the feeling changed over the years? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 12:42:18 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: John Subject: Feeling the Word Message: Dear John, I posted, I think, some time ago about feeling an intense vibration when the mahatma brushed past me at my K session. It was confined to a column in the center of my body from where my ass touched the floor straight up to the top of my head. When I was a premie/house mother on a farm in PA some pot grew of it's own accord in the garden, we didn't plant it on purpose but also when they were noticed they were lovingly cared for and at some point I started making granola cookies, with home made granola, of course with pot in them every day for a long time. After indulging in this practice for a few days I was sitting reading and meditating on the word (I also find it dry and sterile that they are refered to by numbers now, yuck)and that 'column' of vibration started again and eventually was even coming out of the top of my head into space. The last time I had such a dramatic experience with the word was a few years ago while I was still in school and was reading before going to go to sleep. I can't remember where it started but this time it eventually moved everywhere in my body. I thought it was wonderful at first but then became worried because I thought when it got to my heart it might cause a heart attack. I tried to stop it then but it continued. When it hit my heart it just kind of exploded into my shoulders, head and arms. Wonderful. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 12:48:14 (EST)
From: Gerry Email: glyng@techline.com To: Robyn Subject: Feeling the Word Message: Robyn, You were in PA? So was I...maybe we met. Where was that farm? Where are you know? Answer by e-mail if you want. This is too much synchronicity. ( Please don't clobber me, Jim, for saying so.) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 13:41:31 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: Gerry Subject: Feeling the Word Message: Geez Robyn and Gerry. I lived on a farm in PA for 2 years! Outside of State College. This is weird. We had some pot plants in the garden too, I can't say they appeared mysteriously tho. Maybe the seeds from ours blew over to your garden Robyn! I always hated pot but I did eat the brownies we made and slept for hours. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 09:26:49 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Selena Subject: Feeling the Word Message: Dear Selena, I am about 2 or 3 hours from State College! What a small world. I sure wish some of the people I knew from back then would find me here but maybe sometime. Still (not Still Crazy) it is nice to hear that we were close back then. Where are you now Selena? I don't need to know, of course, just if you don't mind. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 21:06:03 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Feeling the Word Message: Hi Robyn I believe our farm was about 1 hour and 15 minutes outside of State College. It may have been closer, I just remember a long drive to satsang in the snow. Even that far away it was the only town around except for some little one horse thingy with a post office called Pennsylvania Furnace, that was maybe 10 miles away. State College had a big premie comm. then, as did most college towns I suspect. big surprise. ah well, live and learn As I become less paranoid I will let you know where I am and what Iam doing. I am actually afraid of premie retaliation - that is truly how bad my experience has been. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 02, 1998 at 13:17:54 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Selena Subject: Selena Message: Dear Selena, Sorry about asking you personal questions, I don't mean to push. I guess I forgot that you want to remain anonymous. I respect that in anyone who posts here. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 02, 1998 at 01:05:00 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Robyn Subject: The big O Message: Robyn, I remember a similar feeling with the first orgasm. I remember thinking that it would cause a heart attack. I also thought, 'I wonder how many of these I get?' Ah, youth VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 21:46:20 (EST)
From: Sir David Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: John Subject: Feeling the Word Message: I've sometimes felt a tingling feeling. I don't know if that's the same as what you've felt. I haven't felt it for a long time though and I'm nor sure if it was actually something akin to hyperventilation. I remember meditating on train journeys and then when I stood up and got out of the train I would feel high but would also have this tingling sensation. It was not unpleasant. I think it has something to do with the nervous system. When doing the nectar technique for long periods I also get a kind of tingling sensation which is most pleasurable. Sometimes I've felt it right up my back and into my head. Now I've just remembered something; both the word and the nectar techniques have produced a remarkable sensitivity in me to other people's vibrations. I can be sitting talking to someone and their vibration totally swamps over me like a blissful shower. They are unaware of what is happening to me. This can even happen when I'm just talking to someone on the phone. Their vibration affects me in a most remarkable way. These days it is the nectar that I mainly use to get these experiences. But the word can do the same. I even think there can be sometimes some sexual element in these blissful vibes because it's most often females who have this blissfull shower effect on me. You know this is bizarre but once when I was especially deep into nectar and was swimming about in the stuff,I watched TV and there was a beautiful girl talking on it and she gave me the blissful shower effect. These blissful shower effects are me being affected in a most pleasurable way by the vibrations of other people. It is different (and better) to the tingling I was talking about earlier. My conclusion is that meditation increases sensitivity. It can open the gate to new forms of sensitivity. Contrary to what is written in that thread below, meditation actually increases my appreciation of women. I am more affected by their subtle vibrations. Being in the company of women has literally blissed me out, at times. Good stuff. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 09:32:14 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Sir David Subject: Feeling the Word Message: Dear David, What a lovely experience, one of my closest male friends who has never been into M or K has a similar experience with some women. He is gay so I don't think there is any sexual element. This puts me in mind of a Dan Folgelburg (sp?) song which, of course, I can't remember the name of but speaks of the true essense of a woman being there if a man chooses to acknowledge it. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 23:04:51 (EST)
From: Bill Burke Email: None To: John Subject: How I view the rawat threat Message: perhaps the pulse you mention is the blood movement. I can certainly feel that. The breath is unfortunately a devious hook for a fake lord to use as HIS. This is from L.A. 97 'Of course, those of you who have knowledge, make a little more effort to be content, make a little more effort to be satisfied, make a little more effort to be enlightened, make a little more effort to be enlightened, make a little more effort to be fulfilled' He is talking about the breath. 'find joy, be fulfilled, let your heart be filled with gratitude to the master.' 'master to me is the manifestation of the yearning of the heart. If there was no yearning of the heart there would be no master. The fact that something within seeks something within has created the need and the neccesity for the master. So, the student is there and the master is there.' He clearly is believing that he is the all important one in charge of the breath and that he holds the key to the whole deal and that he gets to redefine what and who god is and what the god power is like. He has grabbed all the words like joy and peace and fulfillment and clarity and conciousness and inside and rejoiceing and contentment and enlightenment ect. ect. My problem with that is that his track record is god awful and his views on the nature of god and the heart are-well, he is the god to adore and your heart is jailed by his complete inability to replace the living god he is trying to replace. the rawat brothers can do this trip in the eastern world and big deal, what they are replaceing is not much! But in the west, to give up the richness of everyones free relationship with god for basic hinduism is a very bad trade. Perhaps the most effective way to stop rawat is to just start a reawakening amongst christians to the breath as being the spirit that is talked so much about in the bible. I know many of you dont share my view that rawat is very formidable in the long haul, the very long haul, But if he is the only guy in the west with a breath business, with the crown and all the video footage, then over time, the breath and the rap will claim more and more people. The breath awareness is a hook that I see as a real potential cornerstone that can support the 'rawat was lord AFTER ALL' . HE doesnt own the breath and his hinduism and lying disqualify him from being a suitable candidate for a new religion. But without action, what is to stop it? OK, so we differ on all this, but this is how I see it. So, a christian breath revival it is. Now prem rawat WANTS to do the global master real bad. But his mean spirited past is WAY to much of a disqualifier. HE can have india and tibet and pass the crown to the kids and they will try to be the ultimate new age group. The grandiose, globe straddleing, breath hijacking, lying, fighting, fake lords, and thier attempts to set themselves up as the follow up to jesus/yeshua. Discarding a huge storehouse of knowledge of the nature of god in the process. Handing out a tainted hindufied breath. Not good. Not approved, No go, time to free the hostages. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 03, 1998 at 14:30:32 (EST)
From: Mili Email: mili@cheerful.com To: Bill Burke Subject: How I view the rawat threat Message: BB, are you for real? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 09:02:36 (EST)
From: Cheeseman Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: Everyone Subject: A misunderstanding Message: Someone commented to me (by email) on a message I posted on this forum below to Bille Burke where I told him that I was Prem Pal. They thought I was being less than repectful to Bill. Just so there's no misunderstanding, here's my reply: Regarding my comments to Bill Burke when I pretended to be Prem Pal; these were made as good natured taking the Micky and I really think Bill saw it as just that. I have the greatest respect for Bill and have told him words to that effect on several occasions. I've also told him that I really value his posts. But I agree that what I wrote could be misconstrued. That's the problem with this form of communication. There's no voice behind the words to give the true feeling of the message. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 17:05:48 (EST)
From: bill Email: None To: Cheeseman Subject: The knighthood of chessman Message: Hi chessman, I am crushed that you arent prem rawat. I was just thrilled that he would talk to me -again- on this forum. I know he doesnt go by prem rawat. He would NEVER let you call him that. It is either m or lord or master or some other god incarnate name. ultimate ruler berhaps. Cant imagine who would have emailed you. Maybe they were concerned because I have claimed rawat was on this forum as student- and more. I dont know chessman, I think There IS a voice behind the words even though they are written. You dont need to worry about 'less than respectful' to me, I am not a rawat, I see us as equals and I get a great deal out of everybodies posts and they have-well, saved me. Razzing and ribbing and jokeing are welcome here. Quite often I am amazed by the posts and sometimes I come here intending to just be laid back and easy and give up the mission for awhile and then I start typeing and its like a flood. I figure it is like that for the others too sometimes. Perhaps the REAL lord of the universe, or the concious force of life or whatever, is actually backing this venture of telling the truth on this fake lord. Just a guess. prem rawat has claimed that the perfect master knows what is going to happen to him next. Perhaps his mothers impending death was off the divine radar screen? We should have a section of the forum for: The Claims Of the lord of the Universe. That would be a motherlode of gems. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 21:07:47 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: Everyone Subject: gurusome recycling issue Message: About a year ago, someone gave me a bunch of M videos appropriately filling up an entire garbage bag. I watched about 5 minutes of one of them. Accompanying this gift(?) was an entire 11 X 14 envelope of audio cassettes of the BM aka big maharaji. Now, this is bad, so hold onto your dinners, this is *guru-some*: The cassettes couldn't be put in my tape player because they were given to me smeared with lipstick on the outside, apparently the result of arduous devotion. I kid you not. Real live kiss imprints in red waxy goo. So, my question I am posing to everyone: Needed; Ideas for getting rid of these daunting and rather environmentally challenging items. Come on now, I know you can be creative about this one and I am counting on you. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 23:30:04 (EST)
From: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Selena Subject: gurusome recycling issue Message: Selena - YUCK! I have tried to think of a creative solution, but all I'd want to do was get them out of my house and into the landfill as soon as possible. The one other possibility I was able to come up with was to leave them in the ladies room in a sleezy bar as an addition to the decor. That's the only other place I've seen that much lipstick that wasn't on someone's lips. P.S. I cannot believe someone actually GAVE you these. Is this person all right? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 01:46:24 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: Katie and bill Subject: gurusome recycling issue Message: Katie! I was so afraid no one would take my thread seriously. Your response was so nurturing and timely. Never underestimate the intensity of making a closet ready for summer. It's earlier here than where you seem to be, so I am cleaning the most dreaded closet and multi-processing with forum posting at the same time. Sadly, this story is totally true. No, Katie, this person is not OK - not even close to ok. Can you begin to understand my stand about current premies? I dont' think she's all that unique, maybe just more expressive, god help us all. bill, unless someone here tells me why I shouldn't, I'll give you the damn vidoes and tainted cassettes. but, beware, if i get a good argument not to, I won't. We'll have to arrange a snail mail shipping process. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 09:39:22 (EST)
From: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Selena Subject: gurusome recycling issue Message: Hi Selena - Just a short note - I'm about to go to work. I vote that you give the videos and tapes to bill and/or Jim. He does use them, I think. (I don't know how he's going to get the lipstick off, but that's his problem, I suppose). Still find the story to be outrageous! P.S. A serious question: I have never seen an M video. I have had the opportunity, but have an huge aversion to the idea. Do you think it's worth watching one (preferably a short one) just to see where he's at these days? If so, I'd like to have one or two (if it's OK with Bill, that is). I will share with Brian and anyone else who is interested. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 10:09:04 (EST)
From: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Selena Subject: P.S. to Selena Message: BTW, Brian has my address, if you do think it's worthwhile! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 00:44:31 (EST)
From: bill Email: None To: Selena Subject: gurusome recycling issue Message: please dont discard them. they contain incriminating evidence that might seem now to be useless and redundant but leave that up to the future anti rawat archivists. I will pay you to send them here. His trip wont just disappear and I am looking for some tapes in particular. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 10:40:14 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Selena Subject: gurusome recycling issue Message: Dear Selena, I think some devoted premie could make a secret Valintine's Day alter (thus the secret, maybe in a closet in the bathroom or in the basement). They could have a picture of BM and a little bare tree branch, like people use at Easter and hang so tapes and other 'ornaments' on the branch and then creatively scatter more tapes and other items on the alter. I get heady just thinking of the decorating possiblities! Please don't think I want them, though. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 10:52:35 (EST)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Robyn Subject: gurusome recycling issue Message: Good Morning Robyn, I loved your decorating idea. If you had a complete bare branch tree you could pull the tape out of the cassettes and string it around like 'icicles' on a Christmas tree...the plastic boxes would then be lighter and you could attach them to individual tree branches without damaging the tree. This would also work well with an evergreen. The possibilities are endless. Do I detect a budding new carreer? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 11:03:02 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Gerry Subject: gurusome recycling issue Message: Dear Gerry, Good morning, hey was that a business partnership you were suggesting, interesting. I am just getting a professional carrer underway and evolving but this could be that creative expressional outlet. This could be fate! Love that tinsel idea! Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 12:09:45 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: Robyn Subject: gurusome recycling issue Message: And the cassettes already have red on them so they will go well with the decorating theme!! wheee!!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 12:44:36 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Selena Subject: gurusome recycling issue Message: Dear Selena, The lipstick kisses are why I thought of V-day first but with Gerry's suggestion I see there could become year round hoiday applications! Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 00:03:59 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: my fellow decorators Subject: ex premie alter altar tree Message: My husband just told me about this dance the plains Indians do or did. They attach themselves with twine and spikes thru the body, to a bare tree. Then they dance around, it's called the Sundance. Eventually spent they believe the tree has taken all the bad energy away from them. I am not making fun of them. I think it may be a good idea for our new decoration. But then I do have this dark side that others may not share. Never tried spikes though So who wants to dance? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 02:00:53 (EST)
From: gumby Email: None To: Selena Subject: ex premie alter altar tree Message: Wow Selena, I just cranked up the music and am jamming to Gloria Gaynor's I will survive, do you remember? Awesome, Turn it up... GAGBWY -gumby Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 09:28:38 (EST)
From: Scott T. Email: None To: Selena Subject: Sundance Message: Selena: There's an entire scene in 'A Man Called Horse' that depicts the Sundance. In the version I know about eagle talons are sewed grasping through the pectoral muscles with cat gut, and the 'dancer' is then lifted above the ground through a hole in the roof of the lodge, by lines attached to the talons. He 'dances' there until the cat gut dissolves and the talons loose their grasp. It's a bit more demanding than sitting in church. Until recently it was illegal, but has been reinstated as a valid form of aboriginal worship. There is a big Powwow in the Wallawa Mountains in eastern Oregon every year where they practice the Sundance. I used to see young Native American men in the Eugene area that deliberately walked around with their shirts open to show off the fact that they had been in the Sundance. It leaves some pretty intense scars on the chest, as one might imagine. In the Wallawa Powwow whites are allowed to participate in Sweat Lodge and Vision Quest, but not in Sundance. -Scott Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 09:46:20 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Scott T. Subject: Sundance Message: Dear Scott, I was just thinking about your intellegence and your wit and here they both are! It's a bit more demanding than sitting in church. I can remember thinking church was real tourture, now I know better! I just had to sit, be quite and shake hands with the scary old man sitting next to me! Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 14:48:25 (EST)
From: Carol Email: coopmtncarol@hotmail.com To: Scott T. Subject: Sundance long-my experience Message: Hi, I've participated in the Sundance ceremony which was opened up to wasichi (whites) by Wallace Black Elk (who Bill Patterson wrote about) and later the Chips family from Pineridge SD (I think). It was held outside of Ashland OR on BLM land. There are other places to dance or do sweat lodges too. You need to be invited to go. My dear old premie friend Stan Cohen introduced me to it by inviting me to come support (watch and be present) when he danced there. I took my four sons to it, then aged 3,13,15 and 22. It was amazing. We all did sweat lodges (inipi ceremonies) and my oldest son and I pledged to dance the next year. It turned his life around and away from marijuana. He danced and pierced for 4 days for 4 years (traditional). It is not exactly as depicted in that movie, but does involve some pain and blood. It is used as a way of praying.The dancers also go without food and even water except for what might be given during intermittent sweat lodges. I danced for 1 year for 2 days the first time and when I was beginning the 2nd year's dance I left to be at the home birth of my grandaughter. My 2nd son got into for awhile and it helped him, too. He got to be an excellent Lakota song singer and drummer. He drummed for the dancers the 1st year his brother and I danced. I made drums for my sons and several other people from deer hide. I also was given a chanupa (Lakota sacred pipe) made for me by my friend so I could dance. I ran a few sweat lodges for awhile and I got an education and respect for the rituals and beliefs of the native American people. But I found as in any religion, there are fundamentalists and people on ego trips. I did not feel comfortable trying to fit in with or even teach about a borrowed religion. I also know that there are some NA who disapprove of whites being involved, especially the ones selling the rituals and teachings as workshops and so on. I was supportive to my sons while they were involved and I got a lot out of it too. I learned to pray in sweat lodges and the dance. I also experienced a big piece of healing of my load of pain from abuse during this time. If any of you want to know more, let me know. I can tell you that some people- moms that trded child care in my suburban neighborhood probably thought us crazy! We held sweat lodges in my back yard for a while! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 19:01:51 (EST)
From: Scott T. Email: None To: Carol Subject: Sundance long-my experience Message: Carol: I've been in sweats at Breitenbush, in Eugene, and at the Chemeketa 'Indian' School in Salem. The most intense was at Breitenbush. They are really into water and heat at that place, and some really verbose people sort of kept the congregation waiting with their prayers. I nearly passed out. How is Stan? Haven't seen him since the 70s. -Scott Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 02, 1998 at 15:15:22 (EST)
From: Carol Email: None To: Scott T. Subject: Sundance long-my experience Message: Scott, Stan was coming to see me every year around sundance time (Aug.)for several years. As far as I know he is doing great. The last time was in '96 when he came with a new girfriend. She was an intern and they were moving to Atlanta. He was still keeping his place in Vermont which he rents out. I don't have his address and have been waiting to hear from him again. He's not a letter writer. He just shows up or calls from time to time. He is like a brother to me. I may try to reach him through his renters soon. He is able to embrace sincerely and with respect, the native teachings he practices, as well as continuing to be a premie. Carol Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 09:41:32 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Selena Subject: ex premie alter altar tree Message: Dear Selena, I LOVE to dance, it is a big part of who I am but I think I'll have to pass on your offer unless the spikes are optional! Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 12:49:58 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Selena Subject: Write some reviews! Message: This site has only one video review, and I am not sure how current it is. Maybe you or someone else here could watch them and write some reviews. I am swamped or I'd do it for you. I wouldn't throw them out, as they may come in handy later. Gross, I can't believe she was kissing them. You never know what else was happening with those things...UG! VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 12:53:20 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: VP Subject: Write some reviews! Message: Dear VP, That last line had me laughing out loud, headache and all. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 12:57:38 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: VP Subject: UG! Message: hmm, not to mention the barogans and the pictures. OK, sorry. I can't watch them but when I send them maybe bill or katie can. I did watch one, him driving around on a tractor and the monologue of his laid over this was him speaking softly (for him) about the farmer planting the seed and nurturing it and watching it grow. yada yada yada. It was, blessedly, a short one. Not sure if that one made it back to the garbage bag. The person that gaveme these may have taken it back. You know, that riding on a tractor thing.....kind of sensuous Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 13:51:43 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: Selena Subject: The lonely farmer in my foot Message: Tractors - sensuous? Hmmmm. You mean the jerky, bumpy, chugging like motion? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 14:00:46 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: John Subject: The lonely farmer in my foot Message: I really should get to work. This is too much fun and I am being bad. Yes, I do mean all that bumping and stuff. Think about it, if you were as obsessive about M as this woman is, wouldn't it kind of turn you on to see him bouncing on a tractor seat? oh oh I am feeling sick and I have to go to the dentist in an hour. I have to stop thinking about lipstick tapes and M bouncing around or I'll never make it through the nitrous without barfing. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 17:14:39 (EST)
From: fanny Email: None To: Selena Subject: give me some skin Message: I have the seat cover of rawats jet ski water bike. Still has some ass rubbings on it. He enjoyed all the toys while we were to just enjoy him. Rather meager diet in a world and time period like this. Surrounded by wealth and opportunities, we were chained in the no compromise! demands of the fake lord. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 18:37:29 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: fanny Subject: recycling bm Message: groan. That would have been me at some point, thrilled to get a not quite sanitary used jetski seat cover from bM. Our meager diet was good for us don't ya know? It supposedly accelerated our spiritual growth or something. So is the cover stuffed into a corner on a closet floor like my videos? Or did you make an alter like Robyn and Gerry suggested? The seat cover could go on the top of the tree, maybe folded into a pyramid shape or draped with the pulled out tinsel cassette tape. It could be quite an ornament. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 20:26:16 (EST)
From: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Bill Subject: To Bill - re: lipstick tapes Message: Hi Bill - My husband (never a premie) just came home from work, and I told him that Selena was going to send us a box of videos and audio-cassettes. This was OK with him. I told him that the audio-cassettes were covered with lipstick kisses, and he didn't think that this was TOO weird (I sure think that it is weird. He is more tolerant than I am.). Then I told him that I was going to send the lipstick-covered tapes to you, and he started laughing. He said 'Bill doesn't want the tapes, he just wants the lipstick!' (He reads your posts and likes them.) Then I told him that you had Maharaji's jet ski seat cover and he didn't believe me. I finally convinced him that it was true, by telling him about charanamrit and prashad, and now he thinks you are going to build a kooky trip altar in the corner of your living room with the lipstick-covered tapes and the jet-ski seat cover. (Sort of an anti-altar.) I told him that you had a whole storage bin full of stuff like the jet-ski seat cover and he didn't believe me. How do you explain this stuff to people? Anyway, I finally convinced him that you were not going to use the tapes for weird purposes (I hope that's true, Bill!). So, anyway, please e-mail me your address, so I can send you the lipstick-covered Maharaji tapes when they get here. Also PLEASE warn your wife, or anyone else that might open your mail, that they are coming. Take care of yourself, Bill. Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 23:30:05 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: Katie Subject: anticipating lipstick tapes Message: God Katie I can't stop laughing! I sure hope there's enuf lipstick on them to validate all of this. I know I saw some on the one or two i pulled out a year ago, and there was definitely a feel to the rest when I dared put my hand in the envelope. Did I mention this woman actually mentioned that the lipgoo was on the tapes when she gave them to me? I think she was proud of it. I could have been a surgeon - look how brave I was to put my hand in that envelope! I sure hope the envelope doesn't have her name on it cause I would feel obligated to protect her anonymity and then I'd have to transfer them and that would stretch my tolerence. No wonder Bill wants this stuff, I didn't realize he was a collector (just kidding bill) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 17:49:22 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: fanny Subject: Quick! Call Christie's! Message: Or Sosebee's. I guarantee that you could make a killing on that item-from the right person. VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, May 01, 1998 at 09:48:54 (EST)
From: Clementine Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: John Subject: The lonely farmer in my foot Message: Dear John, Kind of like sitting on a washer during the spin cycle! Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 12:53:12 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: bill and katie Subject: they're yours! Message: Katie, do you live near bill? that way I could get your address from Brian and the 2 of you could pick out which ones you want. I think it would be worth it for you to watch a teeny bit of one just to see how slick he is trying to be these days. forwarned is forarmed. and it may help you help others. Bill, if you don't live near Katie I'll need your address and since i am still hung up on this anonymity thingy you'll have to send it to Brian I guess. Don't you love being put into the middle of this Brian? Just for your help, why you can have some of them too. Who said I couldn't be nice? :-) The lipstick has over the past year kind of just become an ambiguous slimy coating, not really recognizable. Although I have to admit i didn't look that closely at all of the tapes to be sure of this! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 14:56:05 (EST)
From: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Selena Subject: they're yours! Message: Hi Selena - I gather from your message that only the audio tapes have lipstick on them - right? Bill can have those (please!). I just want to watch some videos, although I'm hoping to talk JW or VP into reviewing some of them (I'll preselect some good ones for them.) If you could send me the videos, I'll send them to Bill when I am finished with them. Since you need to remain anon, I will contribute the equivalent to your mailing costs to the site - how about that? Or I can send it to you via Brian. BTW, I am still not sure I will be able to watch the videos - if not I'll have to give them to VP or someone with a stronger stomach. Thanks much, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 15:18:23 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: Katie Subject: they're yours! Message: Hi Katie A contribution to the site is fine with me. Thanks for the great idea! but, you'll have to forward those audios to bill as well as whatever videos you don't keep. Can you handle that? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 15:21:21 (EST)
From: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Selena Subject: they're yours! Message: No problem, as long as I don't have to listen to them, and as long as VP doesn't come up with any more disgusting ideas about 'where they've been!' Seriously, I don't mind (you did say that they were in an envelope, didn't you?) I might even send Bill a bottle of 'Goo Gone' to get the lipstick off. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 17:18:42 (EST)
From: smoochie Email: None To: Katie Subject: cassettes Message: I will let katie have the videos but if she would let me know the dates and locations from the cover, that would be enough for me. Since she doesnt want the smoochie cassettes, I'll take those. b Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 17:43:42 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: smoochie scooches Subject: cassettes Message: Ok dokey, however you guys want to work it out. I'll get Katies address and send them off. Also, if you ever want to you can get an order sheet from visions somehow, pretend you are a premie or something. but they are really expensive so I doubt you'd want to puchase them. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Apr 30, 1998 at 17:49:34 (EST)
From: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Selena Subject: Thank you Selena! Message: Thanks, Selena! I very much appreciate you taking the time and trouble to send them to me. I promise to send the tapes to Bill, too (I really DON'T WANT THEM, Bill!). I will share the videos with anyone who wants to see one, or would like to do reviews - just let me know. Katie PS to Bill - I will definitely send you a list of the videos. You can tell me which ones are good to watch, and also let me know if there are any that you don't have and that you want (I don't want to keep these videos, now! But other people on the site might want one.) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |