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Forum III Archive # 33 | |
From: Dec 19, 1998 |
To: Jan 2, 1999 |
Page: 4 Of: 5 |
Katie -:- Happy Birthday, JW! -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 00:21:03 (EST) __Nimrod -:- Happy Birthday, JW! -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 02:26:51 (EST) ____Mark -:- Happy Bday this Lifetime -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 03:09:10 (EST) ______JW -:- Happy Bday this Lifetime -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 14:42:52 (EST) ________Mark -:- Happy Bday this Lifetime -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 17:13:40 (EST) ____JW -:- Happy Birthday, JW! -:- Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 01:26:12 (EST) __nigel -:- Happy Birthday, JW! -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 04:01:24 (EST) ____JW -:- Happy Birthday, JW! -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 14:50:56 (EST) ______nigel -:- Thou flatterest too much -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 16:45:26 (EST) __Joy -:- Happy Birthday, JW! -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 04:48:38 (EST) ____JW -:- Happy Birthday, JW! -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 14:46:26 (EST) __Anon -:- Indeed...Happy Birthday, JW! -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 07:17:56 (EST) ____Deena -:- One Big Ditto! -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 08:12:29 (EST) ______Helen -:- Mega dittos... -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 09:55:10 (EST) ________JW -:- Mega dittos... -:- Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 01:18:31 (EST) ______JW -:- One Big Ditto! -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 14:47:39 (EST) ____JW -:- Indeed...Happy Birthday, JW! -:- Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 01:21:42 (EST) __Mickey the Pharisee -:- Happy Birthday, JW! -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 13:33:27 (EST) ____JW -:- Happy Birthday, JW! -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 14:54:33 (EST) __JW -:- Thanks Everyone -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 14:27:14 (EST) __JW -:- Happy Birthday, JW! -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 14:53:09 (EST) ____Selene -:- Happy Birthday, JW! -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 16:54:49 (EST) ______JW -:- Happy Birthday, JW! -:- Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 01:28:53 (EST) ______Helen -:- Buicks -:- Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 13:10:00 (EST) ____Gail -:- Happy Birthday, JW! -:- Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 12:06:05 (EST) ____Katie -:- Thanks, Joe -:- Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 12:35:41 (EST) ______Katie -:- BTW Joe -:- Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 01:44:46 (EST) __RT -:- Twas the Sight Before Xmas -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 16:43:04 (EST) ____Gail -:- It Came Upon a Midnight Clear -:- Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 04:13:00 (EST) ______RT -:- A Flame Upon a Midnight Lear -:- Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 11:53:06 (EST) ________Gail -:- Glad to hear you plan to have -:- Sun, Dec 27, 1998 at 00:45:48 (EST) __Jim -:- Happy Birthday, JW! -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 16:55:28 (EST) ____JW -:- Happy Birthday, JW! -:- Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 01:35:24 (EST) __shp -:- Happy Birthday, JW! -:- Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 10:38:32 (EST) __barney -:- Happy Birthday, JW! -:- Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 16:20:33 (EST) __VP -:- Happy Birthday, JW! -:- Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 00:05:12 (EST) __Robyn -:- Happy Birthday, JW! -:- Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 12:51:58 (EST) __peter -:- Happy Birthday, JW! -:- Sun, Dec 27, 1998 at 00:56:02 (EST) Deena -:- Any excuse... -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 23:03:58 (EST) __bill -:- Any excuse... -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 23:55:48 (EST) __Katie -:- Hi Deena! -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 00:18:16 (EST) __Mickey the Pharisee -:- Any excuse... -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 13:31:17 (EST) __Jim -:- Hey Deena -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 17:12:31 (EST) __Brian -:- Any excuse... -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 22:18:37 (EST) ____seymour -:- Any excuse... -:- Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 06:30:58 (EST) __shp -:- were you in philadelphia... -:- Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 13:56:56 (EST) ____Deena -:- were you in philadelphia... -:- Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 17:36:27 (EST) ______Jim -:- the 'fuck you' video -:- Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 20:57:19 (EST) TD -:- First ex-premie Christmas!!! -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 17:27:08 (EST) __Mike -:- Happiest Holidays to YOU -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 18:08:40 (EST) ____Gail -:- Thank You All & Merry Xmas -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 21:16:50 (EST) ____VP -:- A Baptist Rendition-ho ho ho! -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 21:19:00 (EST) ______barney -:- Christmas '73 -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 21:33:46 (EST) ________Jim -:- Christmas '73 -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 22:27:34 (EST) __________barney -:- that pretty much sums me up -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 03:27:49 (EST) ______Mickey the Pharisee -:- A Baptist Rendition-ho ho ho! -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 21:38:28 (EST) ________VP -:- A Baptist Rendition-ho ho ho! -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 21:47:06 (EST) __________david m -:- Holidays -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 22:02:17 (EST) ________Mickey the Pharisee -:- A Baptist Rendition-ho ho PS -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 13:23:43 (EST) ______Helen -:- A Baptist Rendition-ho ho ho! -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 23:37:15 (EST) ________shp -:- hey dances with dogs..hohoho -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 23:43:35 (EST) __________Helen -:- hey dances with dogs..hohoho -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 23:47:32 (EST) ____________Helen -:- Your Christmas Presents -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 23:53:17 (EST) ____david m -:- Military -:- Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 19:29:42 (EST) __nigel -:- Merry Christmas! -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 03:58:13 (EST) ____AJW -:- Happy Christmas Heretics. -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 07:09:56 (EST) ______manmut -:- Happy Christmas Heretics. -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 10:39:55 (EST) ______barney -:- Happy Christmas Heretics. -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 14:52:24 (EST) ____seymour -:- Happy Xmas New Breath -:- Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 07:30:14 (EST) ______Hairy Tic -:- Three Cheers for the Fallen -:- Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 01:25:21 (EST) Brian -:- Kelly has a happy thought -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 10:07:32 (EST) __Mike -:- Kelly has a happy thought -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 11:57:28 (EST) ____Selene -:- Kelly has a happy thought -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 12:42:38 (EST) ______barney -:- Barney has a filthy thought -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 14:31:23 (EST) ________barney -:- Another PS to Kelly -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 15:24:27 (EST) __________Jim -:- Christ, Barney! -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 18:29:53 (EST) ____________Barney Christ -:- That's Barney Christ to you -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 20:50:40 (EST) ______________Jim -:- That's Barney Christ to you -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 21:51:56 (EST) ____________Gail -:- Jim, you are wrong! -:- Sun, Dec 27, 1998 at 09:13:57 (EST) __________Helen -:- HA!! -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 00:08:20 (EST) ________shp -:- shp spaces out -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 23:41:18 (EST) __________barney -:- barney should change name -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 23:49:41 (EST) ____________Katie -:- barney is OK -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 15:42:57 (EST) ______________barney -:- I'm ok, you're ok, we're ok! -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 16:01:29 (EST) __________Helen -:- shp spaces out -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 00:02:40 (EST) ______VP -:- Selene has a funny thought -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 21:54:29 (EST) ________Selene -:- Selene has a funny thought -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 01:05:09 (EST) __________VP -:- Yes, I remember :) -:- Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 00:13:56 (EST) ____Carol -:- Kelly has a happy thought -:- Mon, Dec 28, 1998 at 13:17:40 (EST) __bill -:- Brian -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 23:16:03 (EST) ____Selene -:- Brian -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 20:33:42 (EST) Jim -:- Don't fuck with me, Jeff!! -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 21:31:35 (EST) __dv -:- Sounds like -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 22:17:52 (EST) ____gerry -:- 96 tears -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 22:26:04 (EST) ______Helen -:- COunter spell -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 07:52:54 (EST) __barney -:- Jim, install Cyber Patrol now! -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 15:16:36 (EST) Brian -:- E. Durrant fixates on fixation -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 10:02:13 (EST) __Mike -:- E. Durrant fixates on fixation -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 10:43:19 (EST) __gerry -:- E. Durrant fixates on fixation -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 10:49:44 (EST) ____RT -:- mantra - free, save $$$ -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 12:26:15 (EST) ______Mike -:- mantra - free, save $$$ -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 13:27:05 (EST) ______Gail -:- mantra - free, save $$$ -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 18:29:45 (EST) ________Gail -:- By the way E. Durrant -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 18:40:27 (EST) ________Joy -:- mantra - free, save $$$ -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 13:24:50 (EST) __________Gail -:- You are so right, Joy! -:- Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 00:57:02 (EST) ____barney -:- you stole my mantra -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 14:30:34 (EST) ______gerry -:- mail order mantras -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 14:38:52 (EST) ________barney -:- old news Beatles and TM -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 13:54:10 (EST) __________gerry -:- old news Beatles and TM -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 18:25:03 (EST) ____________barney -:- man, you must read a lot -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 20:39:29 (EST) ______Mike -:- you stole my mantra -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 14:41:43 (EST) ________dv -:- What got me. -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 15:26:32 (EST) __________gerry -:- What got me. -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 15:46:43 (EST) __________Mickey the Pharisee -:- What got me. -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 18:16:18 (EST) ____________gerry -:- What got me. -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 18:44:54 (EST) ______________Sir D -:- As far as I know -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 21:28:57 (EST) ________________gerry -:- As far as I know -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 22:26:27 (EST) ________________dv -:- As far as I know -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 22:39:18 (EST) ______________barney -:- I did astral project! -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 14:06:46 (EST) ________________Sir David -:- I did astral project! -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 14:56:14 (EST) __________________barney -:- I did astral project! -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 15:50:08 (EST) __________________Joy -:- I did astral project! -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 18:46:52 (EST) __Sir David -:- M's K is bad for you -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 11:09:49 (EST) ____Joy -:- M's K is bad for you -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 13:35:20 (EST) ______Helen -:- M's K is bad for you -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 15:19:39 (EST) ________Joy -:- M's K is bad for you -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 18:34:53 (EST) __________Helen -:- M's K is bad for you -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 23:43:37 (EST) __Katie -:- sheesh! -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 11:19:48 (EST) ____John -:- It's gotta be a put on -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 11:46:30 (EST) ______Katie -:- McKinley Street -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 11:56:51 (EST) ________John -:- McKinley Street -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 12:34:23 (EST) __________Katie -:- McKinley Street -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 12:44:13 (EST) ____________dv -:- McKinley Street -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 13:23:39 (EST) ______________Katie -:- McKinley Street - Sam -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 13:42:04 (EST) ______________Katie -:- dv, I am curious -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 14:02:49 (EST) ________________dc -:- Legend?Let me count the ways.. -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 14:55:52 (EST) __________________Katie -:- Legend?Let me count the ways.. -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 15:19:15 (EST) ______________John -:- McKinley Street -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 14:08:39 (EST) ________________Selene -:- McKinley Street -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 14:29:54 (EST) __________________Katie -:- McKinley Street -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 14:45:08 (EST) ____________________Selene -:- what attracts -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 15:10:31 (EST) ________________dv -:- McKinley Street -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 15:07:09 (EST) __________________John -:- McKinley Street -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 15:22:37 (EST) ______________Katie -:- premies with non-premies -:- Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 14:25:10 (EST) ______barney -:- we've been infiltrated! -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 14:41:48 (EST) ________Mike -:- we've been infiltrated! -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 14:48:44 (EST) Jean-Michel -:- 80's & 90's history update -:- Mon, Dec 21, 1998 at 10:46:11 (EST) __CD -:- 80's & 90's history update -:- Mon, Dec 21, 1998 at 13:54:21 (EST) ____Jim -:- Good point, CD! -:- Mon, Dec 21, 1998 at 20:47:47 (EST) ______John -:- Good point, CD! -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 10:41:48 (EST) ________CD -:- Good point! -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 17:08:45 (EST) __________gerry -:- Good point! -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 17:18:22 (EST) __________John -:- Good point! -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 17:37:47 (EST) ________Helen -:- Good point, CD! -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 19:52:17 (EST) ______Selene -:- Good point, CD! -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 17:25:28 (EST) ____Jean-Michel -:- 80's & 90's update -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 03:27:55 (EST) __Jethro -:- 80's & 90's history update -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 02:42:23 (EST) ____Jean-Michel -:- Jets' frenzy -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 05:24:55 (EST) ______Nimrod -:- Jets' frenzy -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 03:11:56 (EST) ________Jean-Michel -:- Jets' frenzy: more dates? -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 03:44:23 (EST) __________Nimrod -:- Jets' frenzy: more dates? -:- Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 16:44:01 (EST) ____Selene -:- 80's & 90's history update -:- Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 17:32:55 (EST) ______Jean-Michel -:- Calling GAIL! -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 12:34:17 (EST) ________Jim -:- Do you guys have agya? -:- Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 17:08:26 (EST) __________Jean-Michel -:- We HAVE a special grace! -:- Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 03:07:42 (EST) nigel -:- dead seeds, anyone? -:- Mon, Dec 21, 1998 at 08:51:28 (EST) __Robyn -:- dead seeds, anyone? -:- Mon, Dec 21, 1998 at 10:47:52 (EST) ____Jean-Michel -:- Here it is! -:- Mon, Dec 21, 1998 at 11:04:19 (EST) ______nigel -:- Here it is! -:- Mon, Dec 21, 1998 at 12:39:17 (EST) ____Joy -:- Eat Right 4 Your Type -:- Mon, Dec 21, 1998 at 12:12:10 (EST) |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 00:21:03 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: JW Subject: Happy Birthday, JW! Message: Hey, JW - happy birthday! I know it's not your birthday yet in your time zone, but I wanted to be the first to wish you well in the coming year. Thanks for all your consistently great posts on the forum - and for everything else that you do around here. Many happy returns... Love, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 02:26:51 (EST)
From: Nimrod Email: None To: Katie Subject: Happy Birthday, JW! Message: Hey JW, if Katie's the first to wish you a happy birthday, then let me be the first to join in. I really enjoyed the communication with you as we recently explored the whole Amtext issue. I know there will be more and I look forward to it. But in the meantime-Happy Birthday!- Merry x-mas,and a Happy New Year!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 03:09:10 (EST)
From: Mark Email: None To: JW Subject: Happy Bday this Lifetime Message: this posting reminded me of a getogether I had with Gary Greenberg among others this summer. He had been with us at Coll and was your roomate after he said in Chicago. He talked about having a powerful regression session with you. Don't know if that's a surpressed memory, but I thought I'd roast you with it and bring back a bit of your past. Happy Birthday, JW. This time around. And thanks for your service and involvement here. Mark Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 14:42:52 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Mark Subject: Happy Bday this Lifetime Message: Thanks, Mark. How is Gary Greenberg doing? I'm afraid I haven't kept in touch with him, and it's been a good 15 years. I recall Gary was into some type of past-lives stuff in the 70s and I guess that's the 'regression session' he was talking about. I guess when he tried to 'regress' me into my past lives it was a bit more powerful for Gary than it was for me. I think I just fantasized about the coolest past lives you could possibly impagine. I think I was some kind of Turkish general in the crusades, a spiritual leader in the Middle Ages, and some kind of Eastern Mystic. It was obviously bosh, but I think it was harmless fun nonetheless. I think Gary was someone I layed a heavy ashram trip on in the late 70s when he was more interested in getting married and having kids than surrendering his life to the Lord, which I thought was a golden opportunity he was missing. And he was conflicted about it and I likely added to the turmoil. Sorry Gary, I was trying to give you the best advice I could as your friend, but I was even more deluded than you! But now that I think of it, 'regression' is an excellent term to describe much of what was going on in my life at the time living in a bizarre cult. Mark, thanks also for your contributions, and I'm glad we got to reconnect after all these years. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 17:13:40 (EST)
From: Mark Email: None To: JW Subject: Happy Bday this Lifetime Message: garygb@aol.com, FYI just finished moving back from Hong Kong to NYC he's a fund manager for Van Eck he outgrew your and M's guidance has 2 kids and his version of the great american dream. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 01:26:12 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Nimrod Subject: Happy Birthday, JW! Message: Hey Nimrod: I also enjoyed the Amtext discussion and I'm really glad you found the forum. I think it's a bit of a rush for a lot of us old time exers to get information that things are just as weird in the cult these days, as they were years ago. And Amtext certainly seems to qualify as weird. Your coming forward to talk about this stuff is really valuable. Thrusting M's world out into the sunlight is about the most valuable thing we can do here, in my opinion. All the best for the holiday. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 04:01:24 (EST)
From: nigel Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: Katie Subject: Happy Birthday, JW! Message: Blimey, Joe, I thought I had the bad luck with the combined birthday/christmas presents... Anyway, have a really great one, and thanks for all your excellent contributions this last year. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 14:50:56 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: nigel Subject: Happy Birthday, JW! Message: Thanks, Nigel. Actually, I've always rather enjoyed the combined celebrations. When does your day arrive? Soon? I envy your incisiveness and writing ability, Nigel. Thanks for all your contributions to the forum and the debunking of 'magical thinking.' By the way, I know I owe you two Chomsky CDs, and they will be on their way soon! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 16:45:26 (EST)
From: nigel Email: None To: JW Subject: Thou flatterest too much Message: Ta, mate! Leon Rosselson will be arriving soon by ocean liner, I promise (can't afford airmail). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 04:48:38 (EST)
From: Joy Email: None To: Katie Subject: Happy Birthday, JW! Message: A very big HAPPY BIRTHDAY to one of my favorite people in the world! You were instrumental in helping me get free of the Big M's influence, for which I'll be grateful all my life, and I'm so glad to see you helping others through the Forum, nobody can say it quite like you, Joe! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 14:46:26 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Joy Subject: Happy Birthday, JW! Message: Thanks Joy, you're one of my favorite people as well. I'll always be grateful that we had each other as friends when we left the cult. I think we deprogrammed ourselves through French and German films. I think for a couple of years there, we saw every one! Have a great Christmas! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 07:17:56 (EST)
From: Anon Email: None To: JW Subject: Indeed...Happy Birthday, JW! Message: Hi, just cruised in now I've got some time to relax - (joke, it's Christmas and I've got small kids so no relaxation). Anyway JW, Happy Birthday (whenever it is). It's amazing to see how you continue to post here without getting repetitive or dull. I confess I feel that I have said a lot here in the past and must have got a lot out of my system as a result. I think that the dialogue I have had with people like you, over the last years, has been very cathartic. Thanks..Now I must go and make the brandy butter! Oh..and a big Happy Holiday to all. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 08:12:29 (EST)
From: Deena Email: deena@dlcwest To: JW Subject: One Big Ditto! Message: I see I'm in good company when it comes to appreciating who you are...Many happy returns! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 09:55:10 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: JW Subject: Mega dittos... Message: As Rush Limbaugh would say (barf barf). Your investigative style of asking questions and getting to the bottom of things, while maintaining a certain amount of objectivity makes me think you'd be a great journalist (if you're not one already) And your posts ARE consistently interesting ( and compassionate). All those years in the ashram have to have some meaning...and look where you are now. I seriously mean that--you're smart, compassionate, and have good sense (and a bullshit detector that could zap a buick) Have a great one, Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 01:18:31 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Helen Subject: Mega dittos... Message: Thank you Helen, it's really nice of you to say that. I'm not a journalist, but now that you mention it, midlife is setting in and it might be time for a change.....Doesn't life begin at 50? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 14:47:39 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Deena Subject: One Big Ditto! Message: Thanks Deena. I consider you one of the forum 'originals.' You were involved even before me. It's great to hear from you again. Have a great holiday! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 01:21:42 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Anon Subject: Indeed...Happy Birthday, JW! Message: Whatever brandy butter is, it sounds great. What do you do with it? And thanks Anon, I always found your posts to be very insightful as well. Whenever you feel the inclination, I think we'd all appreciate hearing more from you. Have a great holiday with your kids! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 13:33:27 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: JW Subject: Happy Birthday, JW! Message: Happy Birthday to a man who knows his food and wine! I hope you have a wonderful day. I really enjoy your thought-provoking posts. Merry Christmas to ya, too! Mona wishes you all the best! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 14:54:33 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Happy Birthday, JW! Message: Thanks Mickey. And I'm being taken to the infamous 2223 Market for dinner for my birthday. I'll have a glass of wine each for you, Mona and TD in remembrance of our meeting there! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 14:27:14 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Katie Subject: Thanks Everyone Message: And Merry Christmas to you all. I'm very grateful to have come in contact with this great on-line community of really outstanding people. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 14:53:09 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Katie Subject: Happy Birthday, JW! Message: Thank you, Katie and so great to meet you and Peter TWICE in TRW. I hope we get to do it again. I've got that Polaroid picture of us sitting by the Mississippi River framed on my desk. What was that little town? LeClaire? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 16:54:49 (EST)
From: Selene Email: None To: JW Subject: Happy Birthday, JW! Message: Me too! You were one of the first to put up with my incoherent angry ramblings last year. It meant a lot JW. Now I'm just incoherent, not so angry anymore :) zap a Buick Helen? are they bad cars or something? Need to buy one soon so just wondering. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 01:28:53 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Selene Subject: Happy Birthday, JW! Message: Selene: That day you showed up on the forum (as Selena) and said you had made the break was very gratifying for me. It was real confirmation that the forum can be helpful for people. And I've really enjoyed your 'no-nonsense' posts ever since. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 13:10:00 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Selene Subject: Buicks Message: Well ya know I was just lookin' for the right expression...a way to show a razor sharp bullshit detector. A Buick has a reputation for ownin' the road, it's a big damn car (at least the models I can afford to drive--the old clunkers) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 12:06:05 (EST)
From: Gail Email: None To: JW Subject: Happy Birthday, JW! Message: Congrats! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 12:35:41 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: JW Subject: Thanks, Joe Message: I am really flattered - thanks. I'm so glad we got to meet you too. Next year in Iowa, I hope - or maybe we can entice you and Gerry to come to the beautiful state of Missouri? Hope it was a great birthday. Love, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 01:44:46 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: Joe Subject: BTW Joe Message: I certainly hope that you are recommending that cozy and eclectically furnished motel that Peter and I stayed at in SF to all your friends and business contacts! After all, you got to inspect the place personally! P.S. I'd stay there again, but I don't know if anyone else would! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 16:43:04 (EST)
From: RT Email: hohohome To: JW and all Subject: Twas the Sight Before Xmas Message: 'Twas the Sight before Xmas for JW - and all. 'Twas the Night before Xmas, and all through the house No Internet browsing, not even the mouse. Research on Maharaji-by JW's chair For more premie history he would soon share. The children were nestled all snug in their beds While visions of horse rides danced in their heads, And mom on her rocker, a book on her lap, Researched new cults, while I took a nap. When out of the sky there arose such a clatter I sprang to my feet - was it energy? Matter? Away with the optics I walked, in slo-mo Jogged down to the beach - but fell in the snow. The moon on the crest of the quiet calm surf Was peaceful to me, face down in the turf. When headlights - of a plane? - appeared near a tree I knew in a moment: this isn't RT. When what to my wondering eyes should appear? Malibu Vanity Plate: MASTR BAITR - Attached to a small jet, silver and thin (Was the Guru licensed for Media Spin?) More rapid than Clinton, my orders they came, So I booted the website and clicked their screen name: Now Katie! now, Gail! On-line Jim, and Ron! Come On, Scott! hey Larkin!...Just had Ex-Darshan! Get out the recorder! Don't trust to recall! Now type away! Type away! Type away all! As dry leaves when wet will stick to a rake, Brian titled the web page, 'Lard, Give Us A Break'. So, up to my driveway this aircraft did drift As I typed back a-telling, 'Oh God, Is This It?' And then in a twinkling I heard, near the roof A microphoned voice that said 'BE SEATED, DON'T MOVE!' As I sat at the table, I heard quotes from Kabir Through the doorway came Rawat - Jeez, He was weird! He smelled of airfuel from his head to his toes. (How He managed to sleep, God only knows) His eyes? Mirrored contacts. He stood five foot two, In a suit like spun metal, labeled, 'Sachs for Guru.' (Because I possessed ample wisdom and wealth I posted Swiss accounts attached to his 'self.') I produced moma's new research - in width, half a meter It nailed each New Age Cult doctrine and leader- Since Atlantis and Houston. Barney said, 'Tell us Truth' Rawat said: 'Seed are dead', I yelled, 'There's your proof!' '..Each belief systems' start date was written in sweat Eck, DLM, Elan Vital, and yet - Radhasoami had 30 versions alone...' Helen said, 'Don't Send in the Clones!' Bill shared 'Journey's Entry', Jean-Michel, 'Geo Cities' We posted truths world-wide! His-Story, Not Pretty. Then I heard him exclaim, as his plane left it's station: 'YOU FOLKS KNOW TOO MUCH! NO THANKS FOR DONATION' Pranam to a photo? Gratitude here? No, the knowledge of Rawat includes brainwashing. Fear. Peace in Wisdom, 'tis better - we learned that ourselves But don't tell a premie or he'll fry: BS hell! +++ Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 04:13:00 (EST)
From: Gail Email: None To: RT Subject: It Came Upon a Midnight Clear Message: Thanks for the Laugh, RT. I always love your poems. IT CAME UPON A MIDNIGHT CLEAR He came upon a mortgaged Lear That glorious sight--the Lard. He filled our noggins full of fear. To make the leaving hard. He swore he'd bring Peace on the Earth-- A heavenly bliss for all. The world still waits with bated breath-- To see the Peace Bomb fall. We thought of him day and night Obsessed by the Lard--GMJ. Our hearts and minds began to fight. Our common sense went away. He pranced and danced and ranted at us-- He was quick to point out our size. We practised and worshiped like dust on his feet-- Until we all got wise. Toe-kissing was our source of joy. Satsang, serve-us, and arti We were ensnared by this fraudulent boy And thought he was setting us free. He changed his name. He changed his jet. He changed his point of view-- To Knowledge lite and video drone For an upgrade on hill, Malibu. O guilless hearts, what have you learned? At times, we all tried our best. The more we tried, the more we got burned. Lady clarity was taking a rest. There is no path--only 'Perfect Pretender.' The Lord is not Ma-Ra-Ji When I trusted myself enough to surrender, I got a new master--ME. Satsang, serve-us, and arti Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 11:53:06 (EST)
From: RT Email: ommm To: Gail Subject: A Flame Upon a Midnight Lear Message: Thanks you Gail. We will someday make a CD and then tour local video events , carroling outside with picket signs that Just Say Know! I'm printing yours for the notebook to hand down to my grandchildren. 'Tell us about the cult again, Grandpa!' RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Dec 27, 1998 at 00:45:48 (EST)
From: Gail Email: None To: RT Subject: Glad to hear you plan to have Message: grandchildren. You'd best get crackin'! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 16:55:28 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: Katie Subject: Happy Birthday, JW! Message: Joe, Happy birthday indeed! Your contributions here about everything except Chomsky have been consistently sharp, thoughtful and well-expressed. You've really made a diff and, as you can see, I'm sure not the only one who thinks so. Thanks for making all the time you have to comment so richly about everything but Chomsky. I'm really quite glad to have met you here. All the best, Jim Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 01:35:24 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Jim Subject: Happy Birthday, JW! Message: Thanks also Jim, for all your contributions, also about everything except Chomsky. I'm also really glad I got to meet you in person. That way I have been able to tell literally dozens of dazed people that you are absolutely nothing like the way you come accross in your posts. I've really rather enjoyed that. Also, I think I've said this before, your willingness from the very beginning to be so unabashedly vocal on the forum, using your own name, was a real inspiration to me back when all this started. I've really admired that. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 10:38:32 (EST)
From: shp Email: None To: jw Subject: Happy Birthday, JW! Message: don't know ya, never met ya, loved your journey, happy birthday! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 16:20:33 (EST)
From: barney Email: None To: Katie Subject: Happy Birthday, JW! Message: Oh, heck, I'd better get in on this bandwagon, too. It occurred to me that JW is the only person on the Forum that I know by face, although JW wouldn't know who I am since I was on the periphery back then somewhere in the Midwest in a cold and dirty city. But, I'm glad and grateful that there is someone here with whom I can place a face. JW, love your contributions here and Happy Birthday. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 00:05:12 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: JW Subject: Happy Birthday, JW! Message: Sorry I missed this one, JW! I hope it was great. You certainly deserve the best. Thanks for everything. Here's to many happy years in the future, VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 12:51:58 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Katie Subject: Happy Birthday, JW! Message: Dear JW, Just thought I'd add my name here. Hope your B-day was great and the same for Christmas and wishes for a wonderful new year! Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Dec 27, 1998 at 00:56:02 (EST)
From: peter Email: None To: JW Subject: Happy Birthday, JW! Message: Well, I'm a couple days late, but happy birthday from me too. I really enjoyed meeting you, you're one of those rare people who is both exceptionally smart and exceptionally warm. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 23:03:58 (EST)
From: Deena Email: deena@dlcwest.com To: Everyone Subject: Any excuse... Message: It's the holidays and it's an excuse to wish everyone that knows me all the best. I've read a bit here and there over the past few months, but I must admit that learning how to kayak, being outside in the country as much as possible and now skiing, has been a healthy way for me to discover myself again. I think of you all frequently and have said I'd get back here once again...so here I am! It'll be two years in Feb. that I first stumbled upon this site and so many of you befriended me. I am still grateful for how much you all helped. Hope everyone has some R&R in the next few days. And Chuck, or anyone else monitoring this site still who knows me...hello to you too. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 23:55:48 (EST)
From: bill Email: None To: Deena Subject: Any excuse... Message: Deena, that is great to hear you being active. The latest on your ailment is two things: eat more protien and less carbs. and get your body alkaline again. do that by eating the foods that do that. That is from the hospital that is reputed to be tops in that ailment. That is working very well on someone I know that has been through hell with that ailment. Good to see your name again Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 00:18:16 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: Deena Subject: Hi Deena! Message: It's really good to hear from you again. We miss you on the forum, but sounds like you're doing well, and have been having a good time outdoors (I wish!). Hope you and yours have a very good holiday and a happy new year. Lots of love, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 13:31:17 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: Deena Subject: Any excuse... Message: Hi Deena, it's good to see your name at the top of a post again! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 17:12:31 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: Deena Subject: Hey Deena Message: Best of the holidays and all that. Has it really been two years? Wow! And yet, it just keeps on coming. Who'd have thought that today I'd learn about the Hamster's 'fuck you' video? You didn't happen to have that one in your voluminous library, idd you? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 22:18:37 (EST)
From: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Deena Subject: Any excuse... Message: Hey, Deena! Got yer Christmas email, and will try to respond. Wish me luck, but if it bombs again, you have a good holiday anyway. Big Drooly Smoooch! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 06:30:58 (EST)
From: seymour Email: None To: Deena Subject: Any excuse... Message: Hi Deena, Good to see one of your posts again. I must insist on a bit more input for the new year. You were too good at expressing yourself to go off into the mountains in a kayak ( whatever that is ). Anyway, Hope things are all right with you and yours, Have a great holiday, Seymour. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 13:56:56 (EST)
From: shp Email: None To: Deena Subject: were you in philadelphia... Message: in 1978 in the overbrook ashram? and later in miami? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 17:36:27 (EST)
From: Deena Email: deena@dlcwest.com To: shp Brian Jim etc. Subject: were you in philadelphia... Message: Nah, wasn't me shp. Jim...which video was the 'fuck you' one? Brian, that smooch was one of those you have to sleeve wipe eh? Katie, got your e-mail and will respond. Seymore, Bill and Mike and anyone else I missed, thanks for responding, didn't know I'd be remembered so well! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 20:57:19 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: Deena Subject: the 'fuck you' video Message: Deena, I don't know anymore about this 'fuck you' video than what An Occassional Mole mentioned. I'd love to know more, though. I'd also love to send the Hamster our own version. Can you imagine? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 17:27:08 (EST)
From: TD Email: None To: Everyone Subject: First ex-premie Christmas!!! Message: Well it's Christmas Eve now where I am, and I'm going to be disappearing for a week and a bit, so wanted to just do a quick Merry Christmas to you all before I left! I mentioned to Katie in an e-mail that this will be my first ex-premie Chrissie and thank god for that! I won't have to excuse myself from the ho-down on Christmas day to go and practice bleedin' Knowledge and generally be a party-pooper of the heighest order! So thank you ALL very much for all the support, advice, wisdom and humour you've given me over the past 8 months. If it hadn't been for you lot, at this very moment in time I'd probably be sounding a lot like that Kelly down below. I really appreciate everything you all say and do on this site, particularly to Brian and Katie who not only post a lot of gems, but who also keep the whole thing ticking over. I hope you two get some R&R over the Chrissie/New Year period! So all the very best fellow exes and I'll hopefully see you cyberly in the New Year! much lurve, TD PS. Do you think 1999 will be the Year of Maharaji's Fall from Grace? I think it should be, as us 'enemies' can't possibly let him sail on into the next Millenium with more than a couple of hard-core premie followers, a second-hand old Cessna airplane with engine trouble and a cardboard box with the words Malibu Dream House written on it! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 18:08:40 (EST)
From: Mike Email: None To: TD Subject: Happiest Holidays to YOU Message: TD: I'm out of the military for a 'few' months and I promptly forget that you guys are a day ahead of us.... man! Have a most Happy and Healthy Holiday, TD. It's been a real pleasure to meet you. Promise me that you will use the designated-driver concept during the season, ok? (That goes for ALL of you reading this post, too!) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 21:16:50 (EST)
From: Gail Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Thank You All & Merry Xmas Message: YOU TOO, ORLANDO! A friend in need is a friend indeed. That's what you folks have been to me. I wouldn't be feeling as good as I am, if this site were not available. Thanks for the crash course on reality. Without your time and effort, I would be at a video tonight. Instead, I'm going out to PARTY--a much more worthwhile endeavour. Love to you all and best wishes for your friends and families. Gail XOXOXOX Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 21:19:00 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Mike Subject: A Baptist Rendition-ho ho ho! Message: In a small Southern town there was a nativity scene that indicated great skill and talent in its creation. One small feature bothered me though. The three wise men were wearing firemen's helmets. Totally unable to come up with a reason or explanation, I left. At a 'Quik Stop' on the edge of town, I asked the lady behind the counter about the helmets. She exploded into a rage, yelling at me, 'You Yankees never do read the Bible!' I assured her that I did, but simply couldn't recall anything about firemen in the Bible. She jerked her Bible from behind the counter and ruffled through some pages, and finally jabbed her finger at a particular passage. Sticking it in my face she said, 'See, it says right here, 'The three wise men came from afar!'' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 21:33:46 (EST)
From: barney Email: None To: VP Subject: Christmas '73 Message: anybody remember Christmast '73 when BM forbade premies to go home to be with their family because He was our family now? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 22:27:34 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: barney Subject: Christmas '73 Message: I don't remember that particular directive but I do know that we were generally discouraged from ever having anything to do with the folks. A large percentage of premies had virtually cut themselves off from their families 'for good' back then. And why not? These stubborn, stubborn people (the families, of course)insisted on relating to our false, worldly personalities even though the Hamster had shown us that we were, in fact, pure vessels of his light. He showed us that our given names were mere conveniences not to be taken seriously. Tell THAT to your grandmother. (Actually, I did! -- Lord have mercy on my soul.) He showed us that we were, gloriously enough, 'nothing'. Some of our families had a hard time with that. 'But mom, don't you see it's just as beautiful pushing a broom for the rest of my life as anything else if that's what Maharaji WANTS me to do? Isn't there some part of you even now that knows this whole world is a joke? I have the Lord's 'agya' mom. Do you have any idea how precious this is? No, I won't be able to come home this year but I did send you the latest 'And it is Divine' which has this really incredible satsang from Mata Ji you have to read. Mom, no offence, but in a way I feel like Mata Ji is really everyone's mother, you know? There is just so much love there.... Oh, and by the way, if you're NOT going to come to Millenium (and I really, really hope you'll reconsider. You never know just who that kid might be that's got that Superman comic you've been looking for your whole life, if you know what I mean.) But if you're not going to go, I wonder if you could help em out with my own airfare there. ...' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 03:27:49 (EST)
From: barney Email: None To: Jim Subject: that pretty much sums me up Message: yup, Jim, you pretty much summed me up at that point in time I still shudder when I think about how I told my family and friends about the Holy Family ala: BB Ji was the light Bhole Ji was the music Raja Ji was the nectar M Ji was the word Forgive me, one and all. I was completely insane. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 21:38:28 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: VP Subject: A Baptist Rendition-ho ho ho! Message: Ha ha, that was good, VP! Now, for those of you who believe in proof-texts (using scriptures out of context to prove a point), you may use Zachariah 2:6a to prove the existence of Santa Claus. I wish all of you a happy and healthy holiday season, whether celebrating Chanakah, Christmas, Winter Solstice, Kwanzaa, New Years, the Secular Celebration of Materialism and Gluttony, or, you know, whatever! I consider you all part one of my communities, and I am happy to know you folks. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 21:47:06 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: A Baptist Rendition-ho ho ho! Message: I thought you might like that one, Mickey. We are celebrating a little of all of that here this year. See my note to you below and have a wonderful holiday. I'm very glad to know you and everyone here, too! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 22:02:17 (EST)
From: david m Email: None To: Cyberfriends Subject: Holidays Message: Hey Guys... Thanks so much for all of your support during the past 9 mo's I read more than i post ,but it has helped me more than you guys know. so peace to all,and keep the faith ,my grandma us to tell me its the squeeky wheel that get the greese...ps.thanks to Katie and Brian...david Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 13:23:43 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: everyone Subject: A Baptist Rendition-ho ho PS Message: Hey, I forgot to mention that for the Zachariah thing to work, one must use the King James Version of the bible. It won't work with the NRSV, New English, New American, or New Jerusalem versions. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 23:37:15 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: VP Subject: A Baptist Rendition-ho ho ho! Message: Good one, VP! Can't wait to tell my family that one, they'll love it Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 23:43:35 (EST)
From: shp Email: None To: Helen Subject: hey dances with dogs..hohoho Message: glad i caught ya on tonight...happy holidays and all that. hope your arthritis is feeling better and that you find some long term remedy/cure. all the best. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 23:47:32 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: shp Subject: hey dances with dogs..hohoho Message: Thank you so much, shp. I was stuck on the DC beltway for 3 hours tonight driving home in the snow. HO HO HO. Then I ate pizza and chocolate for dinner!! But I love the snow--all those positive ions in the air (: Hope you and yours have a WONDERFUL Christmas. Peace to you. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 23:53:17 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Your Christmas Presents Message: To everyone on the forum, This holiday season I wish you: Your own thoughts, opinions, and dreams, A purpose to life of your choosing, The love of a million friends, & go easy on the boozing! Lots of love from, Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 19:29:42 (EST)
From: david m Email: None To: Mike Subject: Military Message: Hey Mike .... What branch of the service were you in..i was in the Navy 1975-79 knowledge and all....later dave Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 03:58:13 (EST)
From: nigel Email: None To: TD Subject: Merry Christmas! Message: Thanks TD, You have yourself a COOL YULE and a HELLRAISIN' HOGMANY, ok?! Mind you go easy on the old malt... Nah, forget I said that. Go bonkers, you deserve it... And everybody else (according to preference), I wish you all a MERRY CHRISTMAS! HAPPY HANNUKAH! RUMBUSTUOUS RAMADAN! SATANIC SOLSTICE! BACCHANALIAN SATURNALIA! DOOLALI DIWALI ! AND A HAPPY NEW BREATH! with lots and lots of whatever gets you thru' your life... Love to all, Nigel Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 07:09:56 (EST)
From: AJW Email: anthginn@yahoo.com To: Everyone Subject: Happy Christmas Heretics. Message: Happy Christmas heretics, monmats and fallen souls and thanks for being here when I needed you. It's been wonderful to get back to the human race in time for Christmas. I'm looking forward to reading more sinful slander in 99. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 10:39:55 (EST)
From: manmut Email: None To: AJW Subject: Happy Christmas Heretics. Message: Hey AJW, Welcome home,,,,good to see you again :>) Do you remember this one: The Buddhas of the past and the Buddhas of the future who do they all worship? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 14:52:24 (EST)
From: barney Email: None To: AJW Subject: Happy Christmas Heretics. Message: And a Happy Whatever to you, too! Loved your Journey entry. Thank you for your superb effort. I'll be re-reading it throughout the new year. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 07:30:14 (EST)
From: seymour Email: None To: nigel Subject: Happy Xmas New Breath Message: To anyone I missed in previous Salutations ( anyone remember the band? ) Have a good one. Nigel you are such a HTML show off! HELLRAISIN' HOGMANY to you. Seymour Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 01:25:21 (EST)
From: Hairy Tic Email: None To: all Subject: Three Cheers for the Fallen Message: Angels: Hip Hip Hooray! Hip Hip Hooray! Hip Hip Hooray! (This sounds a lot better than Bhole Shri, don't you think?) XOX :>] Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 10:07:32 (EST)
From: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Everyone Subject: Kelly has a happy thought Message: This website is a disgrace. Welcome to the Internet, Kelly. Did Maharaji refer you here, or did you find this site after being encouraged to check out www.enjoyinglife.org? Sooner or later, all his devotees will have an opportunity to read these 'disgraceful' pages. Finally, he's sharing Truth with the entire world! Aren't you excited about it? Maharaji is spreading a word of inner peace and fulfillment which is so desperately needed in our society. Stated in your site 'following Maharaji often breaks up marriages.' This is simply a slander, filth. It may not show to those staring at the video screen, but real life involves more than butterflies and New Age Music. You live in a fantasy world, Kelly. Perhaps you would care to expound on YOUR relationships with real people? Do you have a man who puts up with Maharaji's cult in your life or not? Perhaps if more people concentrated on the sheer miracle of life, of every breath, of peace and reality, our world would be a much better place. Perhaps if less people spent their lives living in a pretense, our world would be filled with better people. Instead of referring to Maharahi's followers as a cult, you should refer to it as an idea. An idea of perfection and happiness. What a wonderful pretense! Can just anyone join in, or do we have to watch the obligatory 6 months of videos first? Obviously you have never been a part of the magic, seen the tears as he leaves the stage at an event, of the paceful calm over the room as people listen to the beauty of his words, heard the simple songs of sweetness. I suggest you give it a try. Keep an open mind... you might enjoy it. Kelly - sunsetglow@aol.com Obviously, this is your first exposure to those who have followed the darshan line to its actual conclusion - the realisation that Maharaji is as much a fraud as the blissed out fainters who stopped thinking when they decided to line up, and then fainted on cue (where fainting was allowed) afterwards. Your fantasy would see the entire world singing along, listening without thinking, and crying and fainting on cue. Stick around. Meet those who gave ALL their time and money to Maharaji for years. Welcome to the real world, Kelly. You might enjoy it. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 11:57:28 (EST)
From: Mike Email: None To: Kelly Subject: Kelly has a happy thought Message: Kelly: You said, 'Perhaps if more people concentrated on the sheer miracle of life, of every breath, of peace and reality, our world would be a much better place.' Oh, really? Since when has the world EVER become a better place by 'concentrating.' Concentration coupled with intelligent 'DOING' can and does improve things immeasurably. What, I ask, has M DONE to improve the life of anyone on this planet? Revealing 'that special gift' doesn't count for a hill of beans... In fact, in some countries, a hill-of-beans is exactly what they need, not some bogus method of turning off the mind that will help them to acquire that hill-of-beans with which to feed themselves. THIS, Kelly, IS reality.... A reality that you have NO desire to involve yourself with. I'll just hide my little self under a blankey and pinch my eyeballs, that'll make EVERYTHING better. Kelly, K doesn't make ANYTHING better, it just 'looks' like things are getting better. You know what they say about 'appearances.' Again, another expression of premie SELF-ishness. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 12:42:38 (EST)
From: Selene Email: None To: Mike Subject: Kelly has a happy thought Message: Instead of referring to Maharahi's followers as a cult, you should refer to it as an idea. An idea of perfection and happiness. Aren't ideas the same as thoughts? So does that mean some ideas are OK and some aren't? Isn't that thought control, er I mean idea control? So confusing , this cult, sect, religion, idea.....experience. No don't tell me, I know the drill. It's only confusing to me because I am lost in my negativity and in trying to figure it out and I should just let go. Got it. ho hum. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 14:31:23 (EST)
From: barney Email: None To: Selene Subject: Barney has a filthy thought Message: filth and slander? Brian, where is the link to the filth and slander? Are you keeping it private again and making it only available to the your Mahatmas, Initiators, and Instructors on this forum? How much do I need to increase my $$$ contributions for access to the filth and slander? P.S. to Kelly: If the filth and slander on this website offends you should never veer off of www.enjoyinglife.com. It is virtually guaranteed that you will find none there as the editors work very hard to keep everything in line with the party line. And filth and slander simply does not exist in the world of Maharaji and Santa Claus. However safe the ELK website is, the world of Maharaji is not safe and sooner or later if you keep your wits about you the filth and slander will seep into your being. It will be at that point when this website will be a breath of fresh air. And, Kelly, out of our infinite kindness we'll be patiently waiting for you when you are sick of butterflys and bullshit and need some help, unless your parents are loaded and can afford to send you to the best psychiatrists in Beverly Hills. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 15:24:27 (EST)
From: barney Email: None To: barney Subject: Another PS to Kelly Message: Kelly, When you do need some help and come back to us we can pretty much guarantee a number of things in regards to your safety and well being: We won't attempt to sexually molest you or your children We won't ask for any money so that we can buy a yahct We won't hit you on the head with a hammer We won't tell you what to do with your life We won't make you kiss our feet We won't send people to your house to 'Love Bomb' you We won't make you stay - you can leave anytime We won't guilt you or tell you that you're going to hell or are gonna be reborn as an ant However, you should be advised to stay away from Willi Kranz. The guy is no good, but seems to be a babe magnet. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 18:29:53 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: barney Subject: Christ, Barney! Message: Guilt is not a verb! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 20:50:40 (EST)
From: Barney Christ Email: None To: Jim Subject: That's Barney Christ to you Message: ok, for christ's sake I can't help it if I bastardize language. I've culted too long. Party on! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 21:51:56 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: Barney Christ Subject: That's Barney Christ to you Message: ok, for christ's sake I can't help it if I bastardize language. I've culted too long. Party on! And now you're trying to guilt ME, aren't you? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Dec 27, 1998 at 09:13:57 (EST)
From: Gail Email: None To: Jim Subject: Jim, you are wrong! Message: For example: Kelly is guilting again. It's the exercise for cult members. That is why she posted here; it got too close to her bone marrow. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 00:08:20 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: barney Subject: HA!! Message: 'Reborn as an ant...watch out for Willi'. HO HO Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 23:41:18 (EST)
From: shp Email: None To: barney Subject: shp spaces out Message: when i saw the words 'barney has a filthy thought', i couldn't help but visualize this big purple dinosaur that's on tv with a joint in his mouth, a a naked babe on each fuzzy knee, and a hot tub with music playing in the background, with all the other characters on the show having an orgy in the background. oh well, never mind. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 23:49:41 (EST)
From: barney Email: None To: shp Subject: barney should change name Message: I originally picked barney because I believe that it is surfer slang for a tourist I don't have TV nor children so I was basically unaware of the consequences Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 15:42:57 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: barney Subject: barney is OK Message: Hi Barney - I thought your name was OK, but I don't have kids either, although I HAVE heard of the dreaded purple dinosaur. What it reminds ME of is the Flintstones (which is probably why you keep getting all these replies from people named Betty). Happy holidays to you, Barney - really like your contribution to the forum. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 16:01:29 (EST)
From: barney Email: None To: Katie Subject: I'm ok, you're ok, we're ok! Message: And the kids are ok. Thanks Katie and everybody on the forum. Unfortunately, the Betty that keeps replying to Barney is an active premie and she keeps trying to satsang me. Yes, sex sells. The Forum has been a great place for me with lots of great people. At first, I thought that it was pretty harsh, but if you read it and start understanding the personalities and the perspectives it smooths out to become a supportive experience that is very helpful in extracting one's self from BM's sticky spider web of lies, guilt, and fear. Thanks everyone! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 00:02:40 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: shp Subject: shp spaces out Message: HA HA!! Good one! My husband has a fantasy that one day Barney the dinosaur will turn to the kids on the show and say 'Wait a minute, I'm a carnivore, dammit' and devour the children. I like your fantasy better though. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 21:54:29 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Selene Subject: Selene has a funny thought Message: Thanks for the laugh, Selene. So true. And Brian, no not anyone can just join in. That is one of the things about Maharaji that just jumps up at you and screams 'THIS IS BULLSHIT!!' He wants to give knowledge to everyone--but very selectively. Fuck, I guess it's Lila or something. (Snicker) Merry Christmas, Brian :) VP In the Eggnog-hic! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 01:05:09 (EST)
From: Selene Email: None To: VP Subject: Selene has a funny thought Message: ah eggnog, hence the FUCK word. VP, I am just kidding, .. I didn't even mean that post to be funny but it *IS* funny isn't it? the double speak double think I mean? If you say this and that it's cool, but this *other* idea isn't. ugh.... might as well go political and go extreme right or left or satanic or whatever!! I am so sick of extremes. This is coming from somenoe who lived her life with extremes. I did. I can prove it if I have to. and I hate them now and see no reason for them - and also the harm in them. What so funny about middle ground? or at least understanding? I can sense we all have strong and probably opposing political and social views. But the neat thing is we are still here and I have made some awesome friends! Happy late Solstice, and looking forward to a whole year without a guru. Happy solstice and New Year, which for me will forever be New Year/ Independence day ( vp - remember? ) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 00:13:56 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Selene Subject: Yes, I remember :) Message: Happy one year without Maharaji, Selene;) Whoopee! VP Monkey off my back after a long time...SHEESH! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Dec 28, 1998 at 13:17:40 (EST)
From: Carol Email: None To: Mike Subject: Kelly has a happy thought Message: Very well said, Mike! Hi! I'm beginning to read some more here and in danger of spending more time than I have alotted myself! greetings old friend! I saw an excellent movie related to your thoughts called 'Men with Guns' from the foreign section of the video store racks. Got mine at Hollywood Video. It has subtitles. I wish everyone would see it! Carol Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 23:16:03 (EST)
From: bill Email: None To: Brian Subject: Brian Message: This may come off wrong, but you are my hero. Followed closely by J.M. Check the thesaurus for the meanings. No response required. Saint James is the fearless leader. .............................F...........Le....... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 20:33:42 (EST)
From: Selene Email: None To: bill Subject: Brian Message: as I sneak away from the festiviy preps for tomorrow.. No one else is on line most likely but I wanted to say that Brian is my hero too Bill - and Katie - and I don't mean it as in the Gopi sense dammit! I just really appreciate the work and dedication and funny wit and all. Gotta go now, 'they' want something from me. just why do we go so out of whack over this day anyway? Never mind no point in trying to answer that one! Enjoy Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 21:31:35 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Don't fuck with me, Jeff!! Message: Earlier today I stumbled upon this on ELK. I think it's a curse: 'Jeffree Skewes Canberra, Australia Heart heart consciousness brings unity forms harmony causes love (repeat) To M with gratitude and love j' At first I thought nothing of it until I noticed myself murmurring something unfamiliar but all the same boring. What was it? The phone rang and my secretary put it through. I felt I was woken abruptly from something dark, terrifying but impossible to remember. 'Heat, consciousness...'... what was I saying as I reached for the phone? The call was just a client. I dismissed him summarily and reserved my irritation knowing it's proper target was not the poor shlub caught in some illicit act, it was this enigma. This damned mystery! What was it running through my head? 'Heart, consciousness..' What was it? Where had I heard it? I got the flu shot less than a month ago. Why, now, was I shivering like a prescient beast in the slaughterhouse? 'Heat, consciousness, brings unity..' .. Yes, that was it! This was something I'd read on ELK! But why, why oh Lord, was it stuck so indelibly on my mind? For somehow I knew, just hours after first bearing this vile impression anew, that this stamp would last a lifetime. 'Branded!' I thought, weak and dispeptic now in my mortal terror, 'I've been branded! I've been cursed!' And even as I thought this through, and Blythe, my secretary, slowly closed the door to my office (not before casting me a look I'd never known before, as if she herself had never felt such pity, such horror, such a sense of the known transforming far too quickly for human explanation into that which never should, nay, never can be spoken), even as all that happened I STILL said the phrase. Only now the whole thing tumbled out: 'heart conscious, brings unity, forms harmony, causes love' I couldn't stop it! I fell out of my chair and hit my head on the corner of my desk quite sharply. The pain I would have surely felt any other time barely registered. It was of the outside world. EVERYTHING was of the outside world. I was taken, envelopped by this frighteningly soft velvet cloak of darkness, swirling with no sense of bearing. But still, I could not stop: 'heart conscious, brings unity, forms harmony, causes love' Brothers, sisters, I made it home from work and barely logged on. How long I have I cannot say. He is taking me again, I swear it! But his 'love'... his 'love'... how can I say? I FEEL it. It is almost all I feel. My fingers hardly know these keys and my eyes, my poor eyes can barely see the monitor. I've changed the font size three times in the last minute. It can get no larger! Then what will I do? Please, believe me, his 'love' is no love at all... please, tell Laurie I loved her. Bye to my mum. Return my christmas gifts... Do not, please, do not, if you trust me at all, do nott,,,,,,,,,,,e ]p[,d Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 22:17:52 (EST)
From: dv Email: None To: Jim Subject: Sounds like Message: divinechokechaianalitus... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 22:26:04 (EST)
From: gerry Email: None To: JH Subject: 96 tears Message: See what I mean about pathology? I just about died laughin'. Great job! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 07:52:54 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Jim Subject: COunter spell Message: Jim, I have a counter spell for you: It must be done in this order: Listen to a CD by Bob Dylan, Then read three poems by Emily Dickenson, but sing them to the tune of 'The Yellow Rose of Texas', Then eat 2 pounds of cabbage (red cabbage, sliced thin, cooked with a little water) & drink some Johnnie Walker Red (1 oz) . Then sleep. You will feel better Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 15:16:36 (EST)
From: barney Email: None To: Jim Subject: Jim, install Cyber Patrol now! Message: Jim, if you can snap out of it and read this you've got to install Cyber Patrol or Net Nanny or something that is Canadian approved to keep you off of the ELK site. Jim, you are just a bit too sensitive and susceptible to be wandering off and exploring the ELK site on your own. Sure, we all appreciate you going over to enemy lines and bringing back intelligence reports, but for Christ's sake it's just too damn dangerous. We've seen too many of our good men and women go over there and never come back. How much money are you sending the BM? If it's more than 10% it's too late and there's nothing nobody can do for you for about 10 years. You haven't sent away for any of that bathtub brewed Holy Water yet, have you? Once that shit hits your brain and you'll be down in the gutter slurping up anything. And there will never be anything we can do for you. Seriously folks, consider that a site like ELK should be made child safe. What if your kid gets to ELK, gets brainwashed or put under a spell and runs off across state lines to join up. The next time you see your kid is on TV at the Houston Astrodome being interviewed by CNN and they're blathering on about the Holy Family (Hansi, Wadi-Sue, Daya, and Arma or whatever his name is and the other alleged girl by the other woman.) 'Spock take Jim to sickbay and have Jim medicated That's all we can do. Jim, I'm just a doctor not a witch doctor.' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 10:02:13 (EST)
From: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Everyone Subject: E. Durrant fixates on fixation Message: This was submitted by E. Durrant as a Journeys entry. The text addresses those who maintain and use the site/forum, so it's here instead: I went browsing through your site a few days ago and found your fixation with Maharaji quite interesting. I don't ever look at myself as an Ex-T.M.er or an Ex-Scientologist or an Ex-Ecker or an Ex-anything (well maybe an Ex-Smoker! That was a tough-one!!!) I certainly wouldn't go to all the trouble or expense to develop a web-site and chat on endlessly about any of them! (by the way-I kept my TM mantra to myself simply because I made a promise. I feel pretty good about that.) I harbour no grudges towards. Life goes on, Amazingly. So being the light-hearted person that I am, I found some of you to be quite unsettling. I mean - still going to Programs (though you're not the least bit interested, of course). Going to all the trouble to print MJ's words after each event, keeping in constant touch with Ex-premies. This must be very time consuming. So I mentioned your site to a friend and how odd I thought it all was. Why are they so obsessed after all these years? Why not just let go MJ and find another teacher. (The world is full of them, after all.) Her comment? Well, said she, the smaller the light the smaller the shadow... the larger the Light the larger the shadow. hmm... I have Knowledge and it's beautiful. But I do have a choice and so do you. You can bathe in the Light or hover in the Shadows. It's your Life. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 10:43:19 (EST)
From: Mike Email: None To: Brian Subject: E. Durrant fixates on fixation Message: Brian: Good post! It should be obvious from the 'let it go' and 'go away' din coming from premies, that this site is quite a nuisance to M and his 'mission.' GOOD.... Let's keep it that way! The question for PREMIES: Why are YOU so obsessed with M (and kissing his holy-jack-boots), after all of these years? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 10:49:44 (EST)
From: gerry Email: None To: Brian Subject: E. Durrant fixates on fixation Message: Hey E., Here's my TM mantra--ah ing--it was given out in mass quantities simply based on the age and sex of the sucker, er, meditatior. They told me it was a special and unique sound which 'manifested' to the initiator as he proceeded through the (hindu) ceremony. That was, of course, a lie and TM and the Maharishi are one of the biggest (and most monetarily successful) guru/enlightenment frauds of all time. There--I feel pretty good about that. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 12:26:15 (EST)
From: RT Email: ommmmm To: all Subject: mantra - free, save $$$ Message: My TM mantra was IYINGA. Say that over and over and you get... I forgot. RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 13:27:05 (EST)
From: Mike Email: None To: RT Subject: mantra - free, save $$$ Message: RT: me too, me too. For those that are less advanced, a two syllable mantra is in order: o-rang. To pronounce it properly use a long-o and then rang (like the telephone 'rang') right behind it. I didn't want to spend the money for the third syllable.... he he he. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 18:29:45 (EST)
From: Gail Email: None To: RT Subject: mantra - free, save $$$ Message: My TM mantra was I IMA. Say that over and over and you get ... NOTHING. Gail Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 18:40:27 (EST)
From: Gail Email: None To: E. Durrant Subject: By the way E. Durrant Message: Mahareshi Mahesh Yogi only hit my pocket book for $75 and my time for about four hours. I wasn't told to come back again and again. I wouldn't be posting here either if the trip lasted four hours. It lasted 24 years. When did you get initiated? When I arrived in 1974, he was masquerading as the Lord of the Universe. It's pretty hard to refuse the Lord, isn't it. These few quotes of his really got me hooked: 'YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE FOUR ACES. IF YOU DON'T USE THEM THIS TIME, DO YOU REALLY THINK YOU WILL BE GIVEN ANOTHER CHANCE.' 'WHEN I CALL, YOU COME RUNNING. WHO ARE YOU TO REFUSE WHEN THE LORD IS KNOCKING AT YOUR DOOR.' Have you read the vows one had to take to receive K in those days. Basically I turned over my right to discriminate when it came to K and MJ. The truest words he ever spoke in my presence were: 'WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW WILL HURT YOU.' No kidding! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 13:24:50 (EST)
From: Joy Email: None To: Gail Subject: mantra - free, save $$$ Message: Sounds like mine, Gail. Mine was EYE EEM, something like that, no A at the end. They must have had a grab bag of them. Did the TM thing for about two weeks before losing interest. I think the Maharishi made it as big as he did in the West because he was really the first one to hit here. I don't think he'd wash if he showed up today, he'd be just another face in the crowd. You know, Maharaji's meditation wasn't really all that much more interesting, either. But BM's trip was not about meditation, Knowledge is not about meditation, it's about DEVOTION. Always has been, always will be. It is not meditation which opens up one's heart and causes the feelings of beauty and gratitude, it is devotion. Meditation is just the excuse, the little tool these so-called teachers use to get people hooked into the devotion scene. Which is a very lucrative business for them, and a major side-track ditch for us. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Dec 25, 1998 at 00:57:02 (EST)
From: Gail Email: None To: Joy Subject: You are so right, Joy! Message: It's a darn shame that there's probably no such thing as karma. It would be nice to know that MJ will get his payback--1 million lifetimes as a devotee! Ah well, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Take solace in thinking about all the good MJ did with your donation money. As one very wise premie in town once said to me, 'You have to spend your money somewhere. It might as well be on the most worthwhile thing ...' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 14:30:34 (EST)
From: barney Email: None To: gerry Subject: you stole my mantra Message: gerry! that was my mantra! actually, you might listen to the Beatles' 'Revolver' album and I forgot the name of the tune, but the lyrics go like: Relax your mind and float downstream It is not dy-ing Anyway, the repeated phrase is ah-ing. Clearly, John Lennon and I shared the same mantra. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 14:38:52 (EST)
From: gerry Email: None To: barney Subject: mail order mantras Message: I see a potential business here... RECOMMENDED BY THE BEATLES! Bound to be a big seller. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 13:54:10 (EST)
From: barney Email: None To: gerry Subject: old news Beatles and TM Message: I'm sure that this is old news to everybody, but TM was RECOMMENDED BY THE BEATLES, but later they denounced the Maharishi. Apparently, at one star studded get together in India the Maharishi was all over Mia Farrow. Mia Farrow: married to Frank Sinatra and later Woody Allen. Wow, what a long strange trip she's had. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 18:25:03 (EST)
From: gerry Email: None To: barney Subject: old news Beatles and TM Message: Hey barn, I recently read Mia's memoirs Things Fall Apart, and she said the ugly old goat was rutting after her sister Prudence, and Lennon wrote the song Dear Prudence about her, Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 20:39:29 (EST)
From: barney Email: None To: gerry Subject: man, you must read a lot Message: geez gerry, get a job or something you sure seem to read a lot of books out there in logger country Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 14:41:43 (EST)
From: Mike Email: None To: barney Subject: you stole my mantra Message: barney: 'Turn off your mind, relax and float down stream, It is not dying, it is not dying....' etc etc. They nicked some of the lyrics from the Leary/Alpert translation of the Tibetan Book of the Dead. They talk about the 'void' and alot of other stuff in that song. Actually (I hate to admit it), it was definitely one of my favorite songs, due to the lyrics. Now you know how 'I' started.... THANKS BEATLES, I really appreciated THAT!.....he he he ;-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 15:26:32 (EST)
From: dv Email: None To: Mike Subject: What got me. Message: Was my brothers books by T. Lobsang Rampa. a supposed Tibetan Monk. His books were very entertaining. The first one was called The Third Eye. As a 7th grader, I used to lie in bed at night trying to astral project. Never got anywhere. My brother wrote him a letter, actually got a reply with an offer to purchase a 'moon rock' for $6.95, which was supposed to help one meditate. I should have bought it! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 15:46:43 (EST)
From: gerry Email: None To: dv Subject: What got me. Message: Hey I read those books! They were great! Musta been a million of 'em. I actually took the time and energy to 'debunk' them for myself. Then I found the REAL truth. Did you ever hear about the fifteen year old Perfect Master... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 18:16:18 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: dv Subject: What got me. Message: Hey dv, I read dem Rampa books in the 7th grade, too! I wanted to astral project and really wanted to see that secret cave underneath the Potala where the history of the entire world was etched on huge plates. Boy, those were entertaining! Too bad they, combined with stuff like Autobiography of a Yogi preped me to be prey for the Lord of the Universe. If only I had realized I was reading fiction.... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 18:44:54 (EST)
From: gerry Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: What got me. Message: Mick, This is amazing! We all seemed to have read the same books. But of course, there can't possibly be any correlation between that and the fact we signed up for goober's cult. Noooooo, that's just too far fetched. In fact the guy I swapped Lobsang Rampa books with didn't join the cult at all. He just became a fundamentalist (Christian) of the most narrow of stripes. See, no correlation at all... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 21:28:57 (EST)
From: Sir D Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: gerry Subject: As far as I know Message: Lobsang Rampa came from and still lives in Birmingham, England and has never been to Tibet in his life. He said he got the inspiration for his books from his cat. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 22:26:27 (EST)
From: gerry Email: None To: Sir D Subject: As far as I know Message: Dave, This IS good news! Deep down inside I thought they might have been real. You've removed a huge burden from my shoulders. Now if I could only get over that 'Jesus died for my sins' thing I might have a love life yet... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 22:39:18 (EST)
From: dv Email: None To: Sir D Subject: As far as I know Message: Funny you mentioned that. In one of his books, he was dying and got permission from an englishman to switch bodies. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 14:06:46 (EST)
From: barney Email: None To: gerry Subject: I did astral project! Message: when I was a freshman in high school somehow I got my hands on some cheapy 25 cent yoga book that was 3 inches by 4 four inches (no fancy Tibetian monks for this simple boy) and it had this little relaxation technique that I practiced in the dark while lying on the floor. Well, my favorite place to astrally visit was the Mustang Ranch in Nevada... nah, just kidding. Actually, I'd have a very profound experience and would find myself floating around the ceiling of my bedroom and would freak out and snap back in. I never told my family or friends about this because it was just a little too strange. This experience was one of my catalysts in getting me involved with the BM after first stopping off at the non-devotional TM at a cost of $35. I remember at an intensive mediation retreats for TM there would be whispering that BM could instantly put a person into Comsic Conciousness and, of course, that was very tempting. But, the rumor was that the experience of 'CC' was only temporary. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 14:56:14 (EST)
From: Sir David Email: None To: barney Subject: I did astral project! Message: So how do you do it, Barney. How can we get ourselves floating around all astral like. Why not tell us here and I'll see if I can do it. Is it easy? What's the technique used? I'm genuinely interested in this possibility. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 15:50:08 (EST)
From: barney Email: None To: Sir David Subject: I did astral project! Message: First to Katie and then we'll get down to the nitty gritty: That is really scary about getting stuck on your ceiling and coming back born again. I wonder if that had happened to me if I'd be a better happier person and a republican, too. Now, on to the secrets of Astral Projection. Please visit my website and have your credit card ready at www.real_money_now_from_the_astral_plane.com I'm quite sure that there are a number of books on the subject. You can probably find them and their authors on www.artbell.com. He's always interviewing people about this. Warning: Before you do this you should get a book and read up on it to make sure that it is something you really want or should do. I really don't know about 'safety' issues, but from what I've heard some of these authors on the radio say is that there might be some exposure. Well... Geez, Sir David, I apologize. I wrote a paragraph on this for you, but I'm not sure that I feel right about putting it out here. What if the children get a hold of it and they start astral projecting themselves to Disneyland or something. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 18:46:52 (EST)
From: Joy Email: Bluebirdd@aol.com To: Sir David Subject: I did astral project! Message: If anybody's seriously interested about astral projection, I haven't done it myself, but have read a book by Robert Monroe, and he seems to be the pioneer of this kind of thing. I recommend getting any of his three books on the subject, Far Journeys, Journeys Out of the Body or Ultimate Journey and read up first. He's a pretty believable guy (now deceased, unfortunately) but started a whole institute around this kind of thing, the Monroe Institute in Virginia. Their website is: http://www.monroeinstitute.org/ I'd be interested to hear of anyone's actual experiences using any of his techniques! (I'm not about to do it myself, but if anybody so inclined has any experiences with the Monroe Institute, I'd like to hear about them.) A psychologist friend of mine told me about them, and I absolutely swear by a tape for sleep which they have produced. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 11:09:49 (EST)
From: Sir David Email: None To: Brian Subject: M's K is bad for you Message: Why? Because it turns people into self rightious little pricks who think they know the truth. Give me ONE example of premies bringing love & peace to the world. You won't find one because they're all wrapped up in their own 'self'. Or putting it another way, they're disappearing up their own backsides. It's so beautiful, this life. Another great year ahead. This knowledge is just soooo lovely lovely lovely. Lovely jubbly wubbly wubbly. Keep saying it to each other and you'll convince yourselves. But premies are no different to the rest of humaninty. They're no more kind, loving, selfless, enlightened etc. Have a look at some retina light. 'Praise the Lord, I have seen God!' No you haven't, you've just seen some light which is a by product of your central nervous system. Hey, our breath speaks the Word of God, brothers and sisters. No it doesn't. It's just the sound of your breathing. Where's this knowledge that was given? None was given and that's the rub. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 13:35:20 (EST)
From: Joy Email: None To: Sir David Subject: M's K is bad for you Message: Good points, David. That's been my beef with not just Maharaji's thing lately, but most Eastern religions in general. They tend to make one 'self' absorbed, and not integrated into society, or caring of others. There are some obvious exceptions, of course, (like that Zen monk in NYC who helps the homeless) but by and large it's a selfish obsession, obtaining enlightenment. The Buddhists try and put a humanitarian spin on it by doing the bodhisattva vow, i.e you're attaining enlightenment so you can then help all other sentiment beings to do the same, and therefore release from suffering, but it still boils down to navel gazing, if you ask me. I know this will probably be politically uncool to say, but the Christians seem to be the only ones who have a handle on compassion and helping others out with selfless love. (And not all of them, of course, just by and large.) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 15:19:39 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Joy Subject: M's K is bad for you Message: I couldn't agree with you more. This is why after all these crazy years I find myself going to a (nonfundamentalist) Christian church. Scott Peck's books were a big influence on leading me away from the Eastern 'void' into seeing the sense on good old fashioned Judeo Christian thinking. Who knew my crazy life would ever lead me in that direction. OY! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 18:34:53 (EST)
From: Joy Email: Bluebirdd@aol.com To: Helen Subject: M's K is bad for you Message: Helen, what church do you go to? I would like to find one but am too scared of fundamentalist stuff to try and explore. You can e-mail me if you'd like. What did it for me was reading Alan Watts (The Meaning of Happiness) and Rupert Sheldrake's marvellous book with Matthew Fox, Natural Grace. All of a sudden I began to see that it would be OKAY to drop the Eastern religion thing for good and I felt like a bubble burst and a huge weight lifted from my shoulders. It was really quite liberating (pardon the pun) to not feel responsible for my own enlightenment any more, and I could just be kind to people instead. So much easier. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 23:43:37 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Joy Subject: M's K is bad for you Message: I promise I'll em you in the next couple of days. Those sound like great books. I also want to talk to you about health stuff (if you don't mind) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 11:19:48 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: Brian Subject: sheesh! Message: I know this person probably means well, but I wonder if they know that other premies have submitted virtually the same letter over and over again. Brian and I have (jokingly) discussed putting a form letter on the feedback page that they can just push a button and submit these same statements without going to the bother of typing them. Maybe it's a good idea. By the way, I keep in touch with a lot of other ex-premies because I LIKE them. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 11:46:30 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: Katie Subject: It's gotta be a put on Message: ...I mean no one can actually be as big an ass hole as e. durrant sounds like. Hey Katie btw, I thought I saw some posts about Mckinely Utah and Nebraska, but I didn't get a chance to read them. Now I can't find them in the Inactive section. Did they get deleted? If they did was there anything of interest in there to an old Mckinly st. resident? Thanks! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 11:56:51 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: John Subject: McKinley Street Message: Hi John - yeah, I deleted them because Helen and I got into a really long discussion about that and other DC neighborhoods that was definitely O.T. The one thing that you might have been interested in is that dv mentioned a time when all the residents of the McKinley Street house ran down the street in their pajamas with blankets and baragons to meditate with the people in the Nebraska Ave. house - do you remember this? It was either before or after my time (I lived there in 74-75). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 12:34:23 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: Katie Subject: McKinley Street Message: Well, if dv lived there, then I know who dv is...I think. I vaguely remember running down the alley with our blankets and baragons. I moved into that house in the summer of '73. I think I'm gonna barf just remembering that era of my personal history. That was where I really put the clamps on my own individuality. I play the piano, and when I moved in there was a piano in the basement. One day I played it and dennis conrad, god bless his soul, gave satsang that night about the low vibe sound of non-devotional music and ego. I figured that since I had surrendered the reins of my life to gmj then he was speaking to me through dennis so I succumbed humbly and did not practice on it again. ARRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey, did you know that someone held a reunion of old Mckinely street residents a few years ago? I didn't go, actualy I wasn't even invited. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 12:44:13 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: John Subject: McKinley Street Message: No, I didn't know about the reunion (wonder why they didn't invite you :). I think the house was different when I lived there. John Harris and Ann Wolf had the lease, and they weren't exactly your typically devoted premies. That story about your piano playing is sad, but I do remember that attitude. AAARRRGH is right!! I know Sam really had that problem with both art and music - he was such a talented artist but all he ever did was those collages of Maharaji. (BTW I also remember Dennis Conrad and I even went on a few dates with his brother during 1976? I cannot believe it now! I think Alan was still living in the ashram, but that it was sort of a premie house for a brief period.) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 13:23:39 (EST)
From: dv Email: None To: Katie and John Subject: McKinley Street Message: Sorry for the confusion- I had posted somewhere dv =dievine, I shortened my name. Yes- Mataponi River. John- I was the guy that planted the garden in the back yard. Katie- we used to give each other massages- everything was sweet and innocent back then. I remember Dennis Conrad took all 50 of my records while I was meditating, which were my brothers, not mine, and sold them at the jumble outlet. I saw him recently at a program- he walked up to me with this weird leering look on his face and said something unintelligible. I took one look at his face and walked in the other directiion. This is one of the main issues that woke me up, the nastiness of premies. Having moved away from Miami and trying to build a business after 25 years of listening to M scoff about education, I wasn't too active in attending programs. I finally went to the LA 1996 program and signed up for service. A premie took me to an office and introduced me to a lady and said this is --- ---. Without even having the courtesy of looking at me, she looks at the other premie and says in an unmistakably sarcastic manner: '--- ---, he's a legend!' I thought, what a bitch. I kept running in to premies I hadn't seen in years, and kept getting these weird responses. I started tracking premies responses when I told them I was married and had a kid. Instead of ' Oh, that's nice', or ' Poor you, your married', etc., the overwhelming majority's first words out of their mouths were, 'Is she a premie, does she have knowledge?'. They immediately try to put you on their sliding scale of judgement. It made me sick. One guy then said, 'Paul C. also has a wife who is not a premie.' How was I supposed to answer that? Once or twice was one thing- but what I observed leads me to believe that premies are REALLY worried about going to hell. They must be veeery careful who they associate with. Speaking of Sam Jablonski. He did not have a mean bone in his body. I liked him a lot. I asked a premie one day what happened to him, and the flippant response was, 'Oh, he committed suicide.' Does anybody know when or under what circumstances this happened? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 13:42:04 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: dv Subject: McKinley Street - Sam Message: Hi dv - I was pretty sure I knew who you were (I'm not sure if you remember, but we went to high school together). Jeff Schreiber told me about Sam, and all he said is that they both got transferred out of the DC ashram: Jeff to Detroit, and Sam to Raleigh. He said he didn't see Sam at programs for a while, and then when he asked some premies from Raleigh what happened to him, they said he had committed suicide in 1994. I am not sure if Jeff knows anything more about the circumstances - probably not. It really upset me, as you can probably imagine. In fact, I was looking for Sam when I found this site and the former premie site, and that's the first communication I got from either a premie or an ex-premie. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 14:02:49 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: dv Subject: dv, I am curious Message: You wrote: A premie took me to an office and introduced me to a lady and said this is --- ---. Without even having the courtesy of looking at me, she looks at the other premie and says in an unmistakably sarcastic manner: '--- ---, he's a legend!' What are you a legend for? Can you say? Remember, I only knew you when we were really young. And you're right - things were nice back then - most of the premies were nice, too. I know that many of them still are, but it has really surprised me to read some of the stories that people have told about premie nastiness on this site - including the one you just told. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 14:55:52 (EST)
From: dc Email: None To: Katie Subject: Legend?Let me count the ways.. Message: It probably was due to visibility-a lot of service around the res, plane, backstage, etc. I also did some dumb things that probably got me some good copy on the gossip vine. I'm not comfortable enough to talk about the dumb things- yet. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 15:19:15 (EST)
From: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: dc Subject: Legend?Let me count the ways.. Message: Now I'm REALLY curious (John's gonna want to know too), but I understand about not feeling comfortable. BTW, if you ever do hear anything more about Sam, I would really like to know what happened to him after he moved to NC. I never saw him again after 1977 - in fact, I never saw almost all the other premies I had known after that. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 14:08:39 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: dv Subject: McKinley Street Message: Aha! Yeah, I vaguely remember that garden. As I remember you had a green thumb, still have it? Wow, sounds like you've had an unpleasant time of it. Are you forgetting that those nasty premies were put there by the Master to test your sincerity? Like Arjuna saw only the eye of the bird, so we must be so focused on our Master that we float above the troubles of this world like a lotus flower. YECHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think premies take after their Master. I went back and saw a video a couple of years ago and one thing he was still saying was don't go to a program to see old friends, the only reason to come is to see HIM. He has always ridiculed friendship and our human connectedness. There's always been so much paranoia in his trip. His world view is so restricting. Anyway, are you living near D.C.? I'm going there next weekend, if you are maybe we can get together? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 14:29:54 (EST)
From: Selene Email: None To: John and dv Subject: McKinley Street Message: Just had to pipe in here, I couldn't agree more about the nastiness of premies. Things were definitely friendlier in the early times. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 14:45:08 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: Selene Subject: McKinley Street Message: Hi Selene - You and I have talked about this nasty vibe before, and it was hard for me to believe. But you've gotten a lot of corroboration here on the forum. Another ex-premie friend of mine went to a funeral a year or so ago where a lot of the other people in attendance were premies that she'd known well, and hardly any of them spoke to her (although she found out later that two of the people asked that she be 'pointed out' to them - weird.) This bothers me, as I often wonder about what happened people I used to know who might still be premies. I also wonder what attracts people to Knowledge these days? I was really attracted by the premies themselves. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 15:10:31 (EST)
From: Selene Email: None To: Katie Subject: what attracts Message: Well, for one thing I don't think all that many people are attracted these days. Not in the west anyway. Maybe the 3rd world country premies are nicer. I think they do sort of turn on the charm at the introductory videos, at least from what I have seen. It's those that have known each other for years that can't stand each other :) Of course I speak only from my experience. And we all know that we should 'trust that experience - hehehehehe Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 15:07:09 (EST)
From: dv Email: None To: John Subject: McKinley Street Message: I live near West Palm Beach. Would like to meet up sometime. If I know I'll be near Richmond ( I think thats where you said you lived), I will notify you. Many of the premies I had talked with are very nice people, although some are so judgemental and tactless, I think they don't even realize it. I sat in a program a few years ago, and I heard Sally (Gongee, Rifkin?), exclaim from a good 50 feet away, ' Look at dv, doesn't he look terrible?'. I musta had a hangover- have lost a lot of hair. I don't feel particularly thinned skinned, I just don't see that kind of behavior amongst the professionals and friends I deal with. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 15:22:37 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: dv Subject: McKinley Street Message: No, I live in Raleigh, not Richmond. If you're ever in town, look me up, I'm in the phone book. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Dec 23, 1998 at 14:25:10 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: dv Subject: premies with non-premies Message: Hi again, DV, I can sort of relate to all the premies asking you if your wife was a premie. When I was a premie, I wouldn't have been able to imagine having a relationship with someone who was not a premie. I believed that I was different from people who didn't have knowledge (I am not sure if I believed I was superior, but definitely different). I believed that there was something inside me that had been turned on (like a switch) during the knowledge session, and that all the non-premies didn't have this. I actually remember thinking this about people, and feeling very alienated. Since I've been posting on the forum, I have read about lots of people that got into relationships with non-premies, so obviously everyone didn't think or feel the way I did. I do think that's why all those premies asked you if your wife was a premie, though - they probably wonder HOW you can have an intimate relationship with someone that's not a premie. I've come to the conclusion that the whole concept of 'revealing Knowledge' really separates premies from other people who don't have it. Thus the insularity and judgement at programs, etc. I also think that's why a lot of premies have so many problems with this site, and seek to deny that any of the exes that post on here ever REALLY experienced knowledge. P.S. I know I'd be REALLY offended if I heard someone at a program say 'Look at Mischa - she looks terrible!', although I have to admit that I thought that when I saw a current picture of Maharaji for the first time in 20 years (we're all getting older - sheesh!). I agree with you that the tactlessness is probably not deliberate nastiness - it sounds more like immaturity to me. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 14:41:48 (EST)
From: barney Email: None To: John Subject: we've been infiltrated! Message: I think you're on to something there. The premies are coming here and posting stuff to confuse us. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 14:48:44 (EST)
From: Mike Email: None To: barney Subject: we've been infiltrated! Message: barney: The problem with 'their' philosophy is that WE actually LIKE confusion, at times(IMHO). It gives us the opportunity to exercise our brains to remove the confusion and clarify our thought processes. In other words, we don't shy away from confusion, we welcome it, enjoy it and fix it. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Dec 21, 1998 at 10:46:11 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Everyone Subject: 80's & 90's history update Message: After the ashrams closing, satsang 'at home' for a while, I would say at least until 85 or 86. Few information about m activities during that period of time. No DLM anymore (still legally existing, but no organizational activities) Some intl events where regional people were invited. M's wish was that premies should not travel internationaly anymore, and they got invited to regional events, like US, or Europe, or Australia. You were not supposed to travel where you were not invited. The first time westerners got invited in India after the early 70s was in nov or december 1980 on the new land near Delhi. Then almost every year Hans Jayanti in November & Holi in spring, with Holi (colored water) and darshan. I think that only the most 'dedicated' ones were 'invited' at that time, the national coordinators would submit some kind of lists to M for approval. Then more and more westerners got 'invited' (active premies, involved in EV), up to 1 or 2 thousands westerners going there in the 90s. The part-time instructor business started in 1988 (US) & 89 Europe. Instructors trainings for about 10 days, then 'refreshers' every year. M then created the ILC (International Learning Center), which was a part of Visions Intl (Visions being a part of EV Inc.). M's idea with his ILC was to establish a permanent center in most of the countries, where premies and aspirants would come for practice, inspiration, receive k, have a library with publications, books and videos, etc managed by his instructors. This plan never came to practical life. Big event in Brussels 89 (very likely same type of event at the same time in the US): beginning of new era of huge organizational activities. Hundreds of premies involved in programs' 'preparations'. SERVICE again!!!!! At that time the BM had the rejoices (when was that? 89-91 I guess), those huge k reviews with him, for 1 or 2 years, for all the premies in the world, with the new part-time instructors to assist him for the k reviews. Premies were still not supposed to travel internationaly, except for (part-time) instructors. Rejoices: EV would typically rent facilities with a big hall for satsang for everybody, a few thousands of seats for most of the places, and some smaller halls in the same building for the k reviews in small groups. At that time we were already quite some part-time instructors helping to show the techniques to everybody one by one. M would come to every hall and explain the technique, then the instructors would show the 'light' technique etc. And the BM would watch the premies practicing, never practicing himself. He also had these series of 'dinners' with him (89-90?) I guess that was more or less supposed to be some kind of darshan. Everybody would stupidely watch him for 1 hour or 2, sitting behind a table, can you imagine this? There was even wine on the table for the premies to drink. Then the 'part-time' instructors trip for a few years... The part-time instructors were in charge of all activities in EV at that time, they would organize the satsangs, and speak at those events, sometime show a video. When did it end? That famous Reigate's garage meeting (after the Brigthon event in 93 - in spring?, refresher in Brighton) where he fired everybody (for Europe anyway)? I guess the same thing happened in the US. He was really pissed with all of the instructors, still don't know why! There was in fact very few people receiving k, and the situation never improved later. He announced he would give k himself. Everybody thought he was not serious about it, and that he would call the ex-instructors again: most of them are still waiting as far as I know! M then started to 'prepare' the aspirants himself. I guess one of the first of those events was Fort Lauderdale 93. I did attend it like most of the ex-part-time instructors. For a year or 2, it's been a big thrill to receive k from the BM himself, and lots of new people came in the West for 1 or 2 years, but then it decreased again, and I think there are even less people receiving k now than at that time! Then the videos 'shadow tours' started, and the new video frenzy. Was it during the Pacific tour in 94, when the BM requested ALL his discourses to be available and screened in every community (shadow tours)? M needed all those videos to prepare the aspirants before he would come, most the the people in charge of organizing those aspirants meetings were the ex-instructors, assisted by some premies. Still going on this way. And the premies started to travel internationnaly again. The BM also had those 1 week-10 days programs in Amaroo, in La Tierra... Some new full time instructors. Fired all the Indian mahatmas in 93 or 94. Fired all the national 'coordinators', then the new 'contacts' trip, then his new 'international' staff.... He got new secretaries (94-95?), fired them, then got Premlata behind the desk (96?), then again an international staff. All those intl meetings ... The 'participation' meetings with him, with his video-computer-slide-show, remember, when was that, 95? The building of the new residence in Malibu (5 years ago?) Big date: december 13th, 1998, the BM is going 'global' !!!!!!! Watch what's going to happen! Looks like my brain is working again!!!!!....... I'm sure some of you exes are able to fill this canvas..... please try to recall some of those important events! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Dec 21, 1998 at 13:54:21 (EST)
From: CD Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: 80's & 90's history update Message: >Big event in Brussels 89 (very likely same type of event at the same time in the US): Where do you get your info? The end of the video of the 1989 event in Miami has an invitation to go to Brussels which was an international event. I accepted the invite and went to the 89 event in Brussels. I also went to the 1990 event in Rome called Arise. If you get a chance, the Arise video is well worth a look and a listen to the music showing the group playing with 2 pianos, a string section and a host of singers. There were lots of large events in Miami in the 80s. One 3 day event included a suprise Holi in the Orange Bowl with music, laser lights, searchlights, fireworks, a whole lot of people wearing white and of course M with a huge water canon shooting multi-colored water, sequins and rainbows at the dancing attendees. Another 3 day event had a dinner for over 6000 people with M and his family at the head table. After the cocktail reception everbody was neatly seated at tables of 8 with 2 magnum bottles of wine on each table. A small orchestra played during the dinner hosted by a staff of waiters and waitresses who filed past M and his family presenting him with a salute of honor. CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Dec 21, 1998 at 20:47:47 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: CD Subject: Good point, CD! Message: Just kidding. WHAT was your point, may I ask? Naw! Just kidding again. Twerp. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 10:41:48 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: Jim Subject: Good point, CD! Message: I have read CD describe this event more than once here. I think it was one bottle of wine before, now he claims it's TWO bottles of wine at each table. Wait another few months and we'll read that each person had a bottle. Then it will be they ran out of wine and M had to go in the back room and put a special spell on the casks of water. At any rate, I think it's clear that this event really made an impression on our robotic friend. I love hearing these kinds of stories because it points out to me how far I have strayed from the path of truth and righteousness. I mean, think of how exciting this must have been for the premies! Wine, music, M's divine form sitting there for all to see and gaze upon. The waiters and waitresses were given a special treat, they were allowed to parade by their Lord and Master. Yet, within inside my mind of minds, I can summon no thought or feeling of regret that I missed this event. In fact, it fills me with absolute joy and relief that I was spared it! For I am now possessed of MIND. I am now one of the devil's army. Yes, premies, if you want to make me gag, just show me a picture of the former GMJ. I have become like a vampire when shown the cross! Ahhh, how far I have fallen, or is risen? anyway how far I have gone away from the mind set that the man who formerly claimed to be The Superior Power in Person has anything to offer me. Blessed be! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 17:08:45 (EST)
From: CD Email: None To: John Subject: Good point! Message: >I have become like a vampire when shown the cross! Yes indeed. A beautiful image for the season. >At any rate, I think it's clear that this event really made an impression on our robotic friend. I had a fun time at the event so I remember it. Many reports on this forum make the events sound so dull and dreary when in fact there was a great opportunity for joy. And I do enjoy listening to Christmas Island as a fun Christmas album. 'Ho Ho Ho and a Bottle of Rhum' Who knows, look what happened to Scrooge! Bots of fun! Cheers for the rest of your life, CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 17:18:22 (EST)
From: gerry Email: None To: CD Subject: Good point! Message: Yo CD, That's not gooroo moosic you pointed to is it? Don't wanna go there... Hey my favorite holiday album this year is Christmas in Europe. Mostly music I'd never heard before, or if familiar, the words are sung in languages I don't understand so I don't have to hear the gaggy religious stuff. Works for me! You have a good one too. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 17:37:47 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: CD Subject: Good point! Message: 'a great opportunity for joy' ? But brother, isn't every moment a great opportunity for joy? Anyway CD, enough of this foolishness, have a happy holiday season! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 19:52:17 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: John Subject: Good point, CD! Message: Yes I remember that feeling, that feeling that indulgences like wine, chocolate etc were occasional treats to be savored, by His grace. It was all such Depression-era prison-like thinking. We were all on the dole somehow. WHat a weird existence. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 17:25:28 (EST)
From: Selene Email: None To: Jim Subject: Good point, CD! Message: And why does any premie think we want to hear that music? uck. Sorry but that's that. Hey Jerry I'd rather hear Lynard :) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 03:27:55 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: CD Subject: 80's & 90's update Message: 1989 event in Miami has an invitation to go to Brussels which was an international event. Both Miami & Brussels 89 programs were international and called 'Festival of Knowledge'. 90 was the 'Arise' programs, with that virtual swan intro. I would say that the 88-92 period of time could be called the ILC attempt, or something close: M unsuccessfully tried to establish a system based on the instructors, and finally fired everybody. Then the 93-now could be called 'The Master Teaches': the great new thing in Ft Lauderdale and then in Brighton was that all the premies would be able to attend the 'preparation seminar' for the aspirants. In Ft Lauderdale, as the attendance was not that big, everybody would be in the same hall. The aspirants would sit in the front rows, and M was having satsang after satsang with them to get them ready for k. And the premies would sit in the back and watch the show. In Brighton, as the attendance was much bigger, M had the asp sessions in some other small rooms, and the premies would spend the whole day watching the video feed from the asp meetings. Then everybody would attend a general satsang in the evening in the main hall. That format has more or less been the format of most of the big events when m has asp meetings during those events. What is most significant in this format is that ALL THE PREMIES, go through the asp preparation process during these events, with the consequences you can imagine. If there was a k session, that would usually happen during the last day of the program, or the day after. When there is no asp meetings, m had the usual format: whether a single satsang in the afternoon or in the evening, or one satsang in the morning and one satsang in the evening. You must understand that this format is what has been going on since 93, in the day to day satsang in every city where premies watch videos: the premies and the asp watch those preparations videos, and m sends his message this way. Everybody keeps starting all over again all the time, like in the image he loves to quote: the potter (him) breaking the pot, and making a new one with the clay (us), again and again. Same thing during programs on the lands, except that you don't get the video feed in India.....you get the vibe! 1 week program in La Tierra in 91, then Amaroo in May 94. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 02:42:23 (EST)
From: Jethro Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: 80's & 90's history update Message: I went t o one of those dinners in about 88 or 89. It was somewhere in London(posibly the Hilton). There was a veggie/non-veggie choice of food. Prem sat at the top table with his family and a few PAMs. The common flock sat at a lower level pretending to be havingg a normal dinner....althopught most people kept on turning around to look at their shining lord(i.e. oggling). The only other thing I can remember at present is that after the dinner people were walking around and talking(before music began) and I accidentally spilled an ice-filled drink down some female-honchos extra low-cut dress.....honest I didn't mean it....I mean I couldn't really fish the ice lumps out ,myself now, could I? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 05:24:55 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Jethro Subject: Jets' frenzy Message: M got a Lear Jet by the end of the 80s, the a 2nd one because the 1st one had not enough range. He then got a Challenger in the early 90s, then the Gulf Stream 4 around 95. Huge ongoing fund-raising systems. As a result, the number of his programs increased up to more than 200 a year in the 90s. Anyone has more details? Price, costs ... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 03:11:56 (EST)
From: Nimrod Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Jets' frenzy Message: You're right Jean- Michel - The first challenger was purchased towards the end of 1990 at a cost of $17,000,000.It was purchased second hand from the Australian airline Quantus or Quantum... whatever they're called. Then M flipped that plane over for a second challenger-one that was purchased brand new from the manufacturer,Bombardier in Montreal,Canada.That plane was delivered 'stripped' so that M could have the entire passenger and cargo area designed and built from scratch according to his specs.The cost of this second stripped challenger-approx $20,000,000. Then came the G4and its approx cost -$24,000,000. Un grand merci Jean -Michel for all the great work you have done and continue to do to bring the historical bakground and evolution of M's world to life.Salut mon ami! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 03:44:23 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Nimrod Subject: Jets' frenzy: more dates? Message: What is exactly Quantum? Are you sure it's not a phoney company OWNED by the BM. Don't you mistake it with Quantas? Do you remember WHEN he got the 2nd Challenger, and the so-called reasons behind his irresponsible mind change? Wasn't it a bit outrageous, given the cost of the little toy? When did he got the G4: 95? What were the reasons behind this new change? All this PAID by huge fundraisings amongst the premies: the funds were (and are still, very likely) sent to the EV Foundation in Switzerland. As the EVF doesn't own anything, these jets have to be owned by someone else! And EVF is paying for the rental of the jets owned by the BM's company! $ millions, gotten through non-profit religious organizations to pay the BM's toys. The BM's company is very likely some off-shore company, located in some Pacific Island. Who does really own the BM's jet? Will EV answer to that question? Shall we find the answer ourselves? Has the IRS already been investigating this issue? I guess Amtext/Textmart also brought a lot of money .... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 16:44:01 (EST)
From: Nimrod Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Jets' frenzy: more dates? Message: Sorry Jean Michel, but the info I shared with you is about all I can remember. You may be right about Quantum Or Quantus being a dummy company set up for the purchase of the plane. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Dec 22, 1998 at 17:32:55 (EST)
From: Selene Email: None To: Jethro Subject: 80's & 90's history update Message: I'm surprised M didn't offer to do it for you LOL Jethro Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 12:34:17 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel Email: jmkahn@club-internet.fr To: Selene Subject: Calling GAIL! Message: Hi Gail! Would you email me, I don't have you email, and would like to talk to you a bit about our special project.... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Dec 24, 1998 at 17:08:26 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: Jean-Michel & Gail Subject: Do you guys have agya? Message: You guys get some special service or something? I always knew you were really surrendered [or 'Maharaji would call you one day' or 'you were really experiencing something' or 'Denver would tap you someday for something special']. I'm really happy for you [or 'envious' or 'confused, seeing that I received Knowledge a year before you and have been doing my damndest to surrender but no one asks me to do anything but I know I just have to let that go because it's all just mind and Maharaji's really working on me from the inside, stripping away all my attachments, making me realize I wouldn't want your stupid 'special' project anyway but not because I don't want to serve it's just that I know within inside that Maharaji has something special for each one of us and besides, I've got a good friend who just got transferred to Denver and I'm kind of expecting my own call any day now but until that happens all I can feel is love and contentment by his grace. It doesn't matter if you're pushing a broom or hanging out in nice clothes with some of the better looking people in the mission, you know?] Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 03:07:42 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Jim Subject: We HAVE a special grace! Message: How could I explain this to you? he he .... But you'll benefit it it, believe me, be a little patient and you'll see some wonders, grace manifested! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Dec 21, 1998 at 08:51:28 (EST)
From: nigel Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: Everyone Subject: dead seeds, anyone? Message: I really want to get hold of a copy of the young lord's profound and inspirational 'dead seeds' satsang. At least the parts where he talks about seeds being dead (and therefore plants ok to eat), and the other bit where he offers profound insights into the physiological differences between vegetarians and carnivores ie., veggies suck and carnies lick. I'd be really grateful if someone could either email me or paste it into this thread (and I am sure there are many here who would enjoy it one more time). PS to Robyn: Do you remember the name of that quack doctor you told us about with a theory about 'O' blood group people being descended from vegetarians, while group 'A' had carnivorous ancestors (or vice-versa)? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Dec 21, 1998 at 10:47:52 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: nigel Subject: dead seeds, anyone? Message: Dear Nigel, Yes, the book is 'Eat Right 4 Your Blood Type', I will check on the author's name, I have it bookmarked at home. Say hi to Willi for me dear. Merry Christmas! Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Dec 21, 1998 at 11:04:19 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Here it is! Message: Hey Nigel! Why didn't you read it on my site? Maybe there is a bit too much stuff there! Here is the link to the ... The dead seed satsang EYL/JSCA Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Dec 21, 1998 at 12:39:17 (EST)
From: nigel Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: Jean-Michel Subject: Here it is! Message: Multo Gracias, JM (as they say over there in Denmark, I believe). You're right, I should have had a look there. Fantastic website, by the way. I always forget to switch off the 'show pictures' option on my browser and my computer hangs every time I go there. I didn't realise the scale of your recent additions. Scorchio! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Dec 21, 1998 at 12:12:10 (EST)
From: Joy Email: Bluebirdd@aol.com To: Robyn & Nigel Subject: Eat Right 4 Your Type Message: Hi Robyn & Nigel, The book is called Eat Right For Your Type by Peter D'Adamo, N.D. I don't think it's all that wacky, his theories ring true and seem to make sense. I'm a Type A (the vegetarian one) and feel decidedly better if I stick to his type A diet list, but it's very restrictive, so is difficult to do. (I fell off it on a trip to Britain last summer when it was all but impossible to avoid potatos, wheat and dairy products!) But I know people who swear by it and have lost a lot of weight, cleared up chronic health problems etc. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |