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Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 13:55:31 (EST)
Poster: And On Anand Ji Email: aoa To: Everyone Subject: AITTA / Rainbow Grocery Message: What about AITTA (Atlantis International Tour and Travel Agency)? What about Rainbow Grocery? (by "what about?" I mean I haven't heard stories about them yet). Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 14:33:44 (EST)
Poster: JW Email: To: And On Anand Ji Subject: Re: AITTA / Rainbow Grocery Message: What about AITTA (Atlantis International Tour and Travel Agency)? What about Rainbow Grocery? (by 'what about?' I mean I haven't heard stories about them yet). AOA, Ji, there was a whole thread on AITTA/Travel Lite in just a couple of days ago. I think it's in the archives. Re Rainbow/Premark. Grocery Stores were started by premies in several cities, including Denver, Boston, Chicago, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle (I think), Malibu, Kansas City, and maybe some others. There is a Rainbow Grocery in San Francisco, which used to have a lot of premie involvement, but it is now a workers' coop with no connection to premies. I don't think any even work there. It's a huge, beautiful store and I am an regular customer. The stores didn't used to be owned by DLM or EV, except I think the Denver store might have had more direct ownership. I was involved with the Chicago store (on Wellington) and we opened a second one in 1978 on Morse Avenue. They were owned by a non-profit corporation and I was on the board of directors for awhile. We also started a store in Miami when I was CC there. The stores employed a lot of premies and more and more money from them began to be donated to the mission (and I think M directly). The premies worked for fairly low pay, and the ashrams therefore served as a pool of people who could work for low wages. I don't know what really happened to the stores. Some are likely still open, but I don't know if they support M or not. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 14:45:08 (EST)
Poster: ex-mug Email: To: JW Subject: Mellow Foods (Re: AITTA / Rainbow Grocery) Message: What about AITTA (Atlantis International Tour and Travel Agency)? What about Rainbow Grocery? (by 'what about?' I mean I haven't heard stories about them yet). AOA, Ji, there was a whole thread on AITTA/Travel Lite in just a couple of days ago. I think it's in the archives. Re Rainbow/Premark. Grocery Stores were started by premies in several cities, including Denver, Boston, Chicago, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle (I think), Malibu, Kansas City, and maybe some others. There is a Rainbow Grocery in San Francisco, which used to have a lot of premie involvement, but it is now a workers' coop with no connection to premies. I don't think any even work there. It's a huge, beautiful store and I am an regular customer. The stores didn't used to be owned by DLM or EV, except I think the Denver store might have had more direct ownership. I was involved with the Chicago store (on Wellington) and we opened a second one in 1978 on Morse Avenue. They were owned by a non-profit corporation and I was on the board of directors for awhile. We also started a store in Miami when I was CC there. The stores employed a lot of premies and more and more money from them began to be donated to the mission (and I think M directly). The premies worked for fairly low pay, and the ashrams therefore served as a pool of people who could work for low wages. I don't know what really happened to the stores. Some are likely still open, but I don't know if they support M or not. Hi There was also Mellow Foods in UK. I believe a guy called Tony Pannett (not sure of spelling). But it was an organisation using premies (to do 'service') for little or no pay. I was an ahram premie in Leeds and worked at the office of M.Foods there. They paid me nothing, and encouraged me to stay on the dole. Ironically I was the bookkeeper for a time. Of course, the honchos of the organisation lived a grand lifestyle. ex-mug Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 14:47:29 (EST)
Poster: ex-mug Email: To: ex-mug Subject: Re: Mellow Foods (Re: AITTA / Rainbow Grocery) Message: What about AITTA (Atlantis International Tour and Travel Agency)? What about Rainbow Grocery? (by 'what about?' I mean I haven't heard stories about them yet). AOA, Ji, there was a whole thread on AITTA/Travel Lite in just a couple of days ago. I think it's in the archives. Re Rainbow/Premark. Grocery Stores were started by premies in several cities, including Denver, Boston, Chicago, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle (I think), Malibu, Kansas City, and maybe some others. There is a Rainbow Grocery in San Francisco, which used to have a lot of premie involvement, but it is now a workers' coop with no connection to premies. I don't think any even work there. It's a huge, beautiful store and I am an regular customer. The stores didn't used to be owned by DLM or EV, except I think the Denver store might have had more direct ownership. I was involved with the Chicago store (on Wellington) and we opened a second one in 1978 on Morse Avenue. They were owned by a non-profit corporation and I was on the board of directors for awhile. We also started a store in Miami when I was CC there. The stores employed a lot of premies and more and more money from them began to be donated to the mission (and I think M directly). The premies worked for fairly low pay, and the ashrams therefore served as a pool of people who could work for low wages. I don't know what really happened to the stores. Some are likely still open, but I don't know if they support M or not. Hi There was also Mellow Foods in UK. I believe a guy called Tony Pannett (not sure of spelling). But it was an organisation using premies (to do 'service') for little or no pay. I was an ahram premie in Leeds and worked at the office of M.Foods there. They paid me nothing, and encouraged me to stay on the dole. Ironically I was the bookkeeper for a time. Of course, the honchos of the organisation lived a grand lifestyle. ex-mug ps Sory about the spelling ;-} Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 14:49:58 (EST)
Poster: ex-mug Email: To: ex-mug Subject: Re: Mellow Foods (Re: AITTA / Rainbow Grocery) Message: What about AITTA (Atlantis International Tour and Travel Agency)? What about Rainbow Grocery? (by 'what about?' I mean I haven't heard stories about them yet). AOA, Ji, there was a whole thread on AITTA/Travel Lite in just a couple of days ago. I think it's in the archives. Re Rainbow/Premark. Grocery Stores were started by premies in several cities, including Denver, Boston, Chicago, Atlanta, Miami, Seattle (I think), Malibu, Kansas City, and maybe some others. There is a Rainbow Grocery in San Francisco, which used to have a lot of premie involvement, but it is now a workers' coop with no connection to premies. I don't think any even work there. It's a huge, beautiful store and I am an regular customer. The stores didn't used to be owned by DLM or EV, except I think the Denver store might have had more direct ownership. I was involved with the Chicago store (on Wellington) and we opened a second one in 1978 on Morse Avenue. They were owned by a non-profit corporation and I was on the board of directors for awhile. We also started a store in Miami when I was CC there. The stores employed a lot of premies and more and more money from them began to be donated to the mission (and I think M directly). The premies worked for fairly low pay, and the ashrams therefore served as a pool of people who could work for low wages. I don't know what really happened to the stores. Some are likely still open, but I don't know if they support M or not. Hi There was also Mellow Foods in UK. I believe a guy called Tony Pannett (not sure of spelling). But it was an organisation using premies (to do 'service') for little or no pay. I was an ahram premie in Leeds and worked at the office of M.Foods there. They paid me nothing, and encouraged me to stay on the dole. Ironically I was the bookkeeper for a time. Of course, the honchos of the organisation lived a grand lifestyle. ex-mug ps Sory about the spelling ;-} meant to say that Tony Pannett was the chief honcho. ex-mug Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 18:12:01 (EST)
Poster: StephenB Email: To: And On Anand Ji Subject: Re: AITTA / Rainbow Grocery Message: I heard that some Premie in boulder walked away with the rights to the name and the stores inb Denver when the DLM moved to Fla. He then opened another store here is Aurora, did quite well for awhile. The boulder compay "Wild Oats" (no connection to the mission) bought him out just a few years ago. Wild Oats is now the largest natural foods company in the country, traded on a stock exchange somewhere. Somebody got pretty wealthy somewhere... Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 13:26:57 (EST)
Poster: And On Anand Ji Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com To: Everyone Subject: Quirk Behaviors Seem Absurd Now Message: What about . . .
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Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 15:06:21 (EST)
Poster: David Email: djulian@cix.compulink.co.uk To: And On Anand Ji Subject: Re: Quirk Behaviors Seem Absurd Now Message: Too right! I remember one of the silliest things I ever did was when I was asked to give satsang at a program. I did pranam on the stage in front of Maharaji's picture. It was the done thing then. It makes me cringe now. One girl premie used to go into a sort of trance when she gave satsang and fall off the stage. Evidently she always did this when she gace satsang because there was always a few security premies to catch her. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 15:34:56 (EST)
Poster: John K. Email: To: And On Anand Ji Subject: Re: Quirk Behaviors Seem Absurd Now Message: I used to love nightly satsang. One way I entertained myself when someone really boring was speaking I would answer what was said with some really smart ass comment, silently in my head of course. So if someone would say, oh something like, "it's just so beautiful" I would say to myself "yeah it's just too bad you're not!". Or they'd say "gee, I'm just so confused" I'd say "so tell me something I don't already know". or they'd say "we just really need to focus" so i'd say "yeah let's start by having you get off the stage" My comments would amuse me so much that I would soon have a very blissful smile on my face. The person speaking would then look at me smiling and get encouraged and think that they were really giving powerful satsang. which of course would make me laugh even more. I think the microphones were there to imitate gmj since he always used a microphone. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 15:47:56 (EST)
Poster: JW Email: To: And On Anand Ji Subject: Re: Quirk Behaviors Seem Absurd Now Message: What about . . .
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Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 16:25:26 (EST)
Poster: And On Anand Ji Email: aoa To: JW Subject: Re: Quirk Behaviors Seem Absurd Now Message: I recall one time an 'interested person' came to a satsang program and brought her daughter was must have been about 5 years old. We had the usual satsang hall with one of those ergon chairs that M like so much sitting up there on a platform, apparently so that if M should arrive, unnanounced, as if he ever would, he would have a chair to sit in. The premie giving satsang would speak at a microphone to one side of the chair. At the end of satsang, we sang arti and everyone pranamed. On their way out, I heard the little girl ask her mother, very loudly like kids do: Do they worship chairs in this religion, Mom? It was so funny and come to think of it I never saw that woman or her kid ever again. That's a great story. Yeah, I used to lay awake at night, and I'd play a game with myself, where as long as I didn't open my eyes, Maharaji might be in the room with me. I was waiting for him to say something, or do a Cheshire Cat trip of some kind. Like Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny or the tooth fairy. But I was, you know, of age, almost. I was old enough to conceive children. I was old enough to die for my country. And I was waiting for Maharaji to just show up, like the Ghost of Christmas Future. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 03:50:05 (EST)
Poster: Steve A Email: To: Everyone Subject: Julie Something? Message: I am one of those ex-premies who can't for the life of me remember the name of my initiator. I know she was a little Australian girl and I think her name was Julie Collette. Does this name ring a bell with anyone?. Sorry, it just bugs me not being able to remember. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 15:12:05 (EST)
Poster: David Email: djulian@cix.compulink.co.uk To: Steve A Subject: Re: Julie Something? Message: Yes it rings a bell but it might have been "Judy" Colette, Colet or however that's spelt. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 20:00:10 (EST)
Poster: Steve A Email: To: David Subject: Re: Julie Something? Message: Thanks David, does anybody else recall her?. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 01:45:27 (EST)
Poster: John Cavad Email: johncavad@yahoo.com To: Everyone Subject: The Aquariuns Message: Any of you see Dateline (USA) on NBC last night? The hour was dedicated to one of the over 240 alternative religious groups called the Aquariuns in Sedona, Arizona. On the outside, it makes GMJ appear tame compared to them. However, the emotional and mental end-result experienced by devotees (and ex-devotees) are almost identical to those found in GMJ's world. Interesting. Same shit, different guru. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 01:56:19 (EST)
Poster: Mickey the Phairsee Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: John Cavad Subject: Re: The Aquariuns Message: Any of you see Dateline (USA) on NBC last night? The hour was dedicated to one of the over 240 alternative religious groups called the Aquariuns in Sedona, Arizona. On the outside, it makes GMJ appear tame compared to them. However, the emotional and mental end-result experienced by devotees (and ex-devotees) are almost identical to those found in GMJ's world. Interesting. Same shit, different guru. Dude!!! I'm watching them right now out hear on the West Coast! Same shit, different guru! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 13:07:48 (EST)
Poster: Mr Ex Email: To: Mickey the Phairsee Subject: Promblem with new thread (Re: The Aquariuns) Message: it looks like it's impossible to start a new thread for the moment! I've tried twice, strange display on my screen .... Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 13:08:54 (EST)
Poster: Mr Ex Email: To: Mr Ex Subject: New jargon for 'Glossary'a (Re: The Aquariuns) Message: No new thread for this post, doesn't work .... Security and people organizing events usually use ‘The Principal’ instead of M. I wonder why and where it’s coming from! Anybody (involved in security) knows? ‘The Principal’ should definitely be added to the Glossary of the web-site! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 14:32:30 (EST)
Poster: bftb Email: To: Mickey the Phairsee Subject: Re: The Aquariuns Message: Any of you see Dateline (USA) on NBC last night? The hour was dedicated to one of the over 240 alternative religious groups called the Aquariuns in Sedona, Arizona. On the outside, it makes GMJ appear tame compared to them. However, the emotional and mental end-result experienced by devotees (and ex-devotees) are almost identical to those found in GMJ's world. Interesting. Same shit, different guru. Dude!!! I'm watching them right now out hear on the West Coast! Same shit, different guru! I saw Dateline as well.Although sad and at times even frightening;it was very funny.I mean that Gabriel dude,what an absolute joke! I am not a premie or an ex-premie,I'm someone who just stopped going/contributing to the whole scene.I obviously however,still find the whole M/K thing real interesting.As I've said several times in the past;my experience was completely devoid of most of the negative stuff that a lot of ex's seemed to have had to put up with in the past.And(hope this doesn't drive anyone too crazy)in spite of everything,as I've also stated before:I still like M,he may be a sharp businessman/organizer,but above all I think he's really a guru (and I find/found him very funny and entertaining)albeit a very uniquely goofy one who has made a whole bunch of bad judgement calls.Still;many(myself included)have had and continue to have experiences of an unordinary something that feels real good when exposed to him.And of course;many feel nothing but a recognition of a manipulating businessman.To each his own. There's no way on gods good earth that I or I'd hazard to guess a huge percentage of premies/expremies would ever have fallen for a huckster like that gabriel guy.I mean c'mon,you've got to give M a little credit here.They are night and day.What the hell was that alien channelling about?And then the supreme alien starts singing gabriels songs?I almost pissed my pants!Please people:can you picture M channelling aliens? Love him,hate him,or feel indifferent but please don't compare him to that nonsense. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 14:42:21 (EST)
Poster: Scott T. Email: To: Mr Ex Subject: Re: New jargon for 'Glossary'a (Re: The Aquariuns) Message: No new thread for this post, doesn't work .... Security and people organizing events usually use ‘The Principal’ instead of M. I wonder why and where it’s coming from! Anybody (involved in security) knows? ‘The Principal’ should definitely be added to the Glossary of the web-site! Mr. Ex: "The Principal" will be cancelled due to lack of interest. Sorry, couldn't help it. -Scott Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 16:19:18 (EST)
Poster: the Email: ** To: Scott T. Subject: unforgiven (Re: The Aquariuns) Message: He was referred to as 'the client' during the 707 project. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 17:06:11 (EST)
Poster: Mickey the Pharisee Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: Mr Ex Subject: Re: New jargon for 'Glossary'a (Re: The Aquariuns) Message: No new thread for this post, doesn't work .... Security and people organizing events usually use ‘The Principal’ instead of M. I wonder why and where it’s coming from! Anybody (involved in security) knows? ‘The Principal’ should definitely be added to the Glossary of the web-site! I've got nothing against 'Knowledge" per se, it's just the Principal of the thing! :-) Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 17:37:27 (EST)
Poster: Selena Email: To: bftb Subject: Re: The Aquariuns Message: Any of you see Dateline (USA) on NBC last night? The hour was dedicated to one of the over 240 alternative religious groups called the Aquariuns in Sedona, Arizona. On the outside, it makes GMJ appear tame compared to them. However, the emotional and mental end-result experienced by devotees (and ex-devotees) are almost identical to those found in GMJ's world. Interesting. Same shit, different guru. Dude!!! I'm watching them right now out hear on the West Coast! Same shit, different guru! I saw Dateline as well.Although sad and at times even frightening;it was very funny.I mean that Gabriel dude,what an absolute joke! I am not a premie or an ex-premie,I'm someone who just stopped going/contributing to the whole scene.I obviously however,still find the whole M/K thing real interesting.As I've said several times in the past;my experience was completely devoid of most of the negative stuff that a lot of ex's seemed to have had to put up with in the past.And(hope this doesn't drive anyone too crazy)in spite of everything,as I've also stated before:I still like M,he may be a sharp businessman/organizer,but above all I think he's really a guru (and I find/found him very funny and entertaining)albeit a very uniquely goofy one who has made a whole bunch of bad judgement calls.Still;many(myself included)have had and continue to have experiences of an unordinary something that feels real good when exposed to him.And of course;many feel nothing but a recognition of a manipulating businessman.To each his own. There's no way on gods good earth that I or I'd hazard to guess a huge percentage of premies/expremies would ever have fallen for a huckster like that gabriel guy.I mean c'mon,you've got to give M a little credit here.They are night and day.What the hell was that alien channelling about?And then the supreme alien starts singing gabriels songs?I almost pissed my pants!Please people:can you picture M channelling aliens? Love him,hate him,or feel indifferent but please don't compare him to that nonsense. I'd have to agree with you. M was never that icky. As I watched The Aquarians I kept saying "Maharaji has a lot more class than this guy!" Who was it said "a coke habit is a sure sign you are making too much money". geez, substitude Gabriel for coke. I never did like Sedona. All that liesure time, and what do people do with it? join up with a weirdo lke that guy. grrrr.... Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 20:40:44 (EST)
Poster: JS Email: withheld To: John Cavad Subject: Re: The Aquariuns Message: Any of you see Dateline (USA) on NBC last night? The hour was dedicated to one of the over 240 alternative religious groups called the Aquariuns in Sedona, Arizona. On the outside, it makes GMJ appear tame compared to them. However, the emotional and mental end-result experienced by devotees (and ex-devotees) are almost identical to those found in GMJ's world. Interesting. Same shit, different guru. I have had Knowledge since 1972 and spent 10 years in the ashram and consider your comparison to the aquarian cult presented Tues. on Dateline to be completely absurd. Maharaji has never made such ridiculous claims about himself and is a gentleman. People love and respect him because of what he has helped them to discover within their own being, and not because of outrageous nonsense such as those expressed on that show. When I listen to Maharaji, he inspires me and reminds me to find joy where it already lies - in my heart. It's simple but for me it is very real. If you take the time to listen to his message, you might find that it is absolutely opposite to what that guy was saying. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 21:23:03 (EST)
Poster: Selena Email: To: JS Subject: Re: The Aquariuns Message: Hi JS Did you read my response? If you did, you know that I don't think this Gabriel character is in the same league with Maharaji. Gabrial is blatant, he (or his organization) have not developed the sophistication of Elan Vital. They appear, according to Dateline, to make people sign over all their assets, to give up control of their most personal lives, including who to be married to and how their children should be raised. Of course M is not doing this, *now* - many ex ashram premies from the 70's would feel differently about their experience, though. M is way more classy, he is funny and all that good stuff that makes a good presentation. Ex premies are not impressed by that presentation. This is our right to express. But, i have to agree, I don't think there should be a comparison as to process, delivery, or technique (not THE techniques, just business technique) Maharaji or EV are much more sophisticated. Still, I stick with my conclusion that giving M all this devotion, living a lifestyle that places him above others, that gives him the credit for the inherent spirituality we all possess, this leads to damaging thought processes, and can cloud judgement. I have seen serious reprcussions. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 21:11:26 (EST)
Poster: Observer Email: nzanchi@tin.it To: Anon Subject: lineage Message: Anon, I am interested in the lineage in and around Shri Hans and Sarupanand and before. I have read Lane, etc. I also could not get a copy of the rare book you mention that Scott T. found in lib of congress, and was hoping that you could copy and discuss with me. Any news? I am at the e-mail listed. Thanks. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 21:25:33 (EST)
Poster: Anon Email: To: Observer Subject: Re: lineage Message: Anon, I am interested in the lineage in and around Shri Hans and Sarupanand and before. I have read Lane, etc. I also could not get a copy of the rare book you mention that Scott T. found in lib of congress, and was hoping that you could copy and discuss with me. Any news? I am at the e-mail listed. Thanks. I'd be happy to discuss the book if I could get my hands on it myself! I shared the directions Lane gave me somewhere on a post and Scott T. knows now too. I don't think he has got hold of it yet though. Are you in the US? 'cos if you are perhaps you could get it. If not we'll have to wait and see I think. I believe that the book (and probably others like it) are available in India. As yet no Indian premies showing up here. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 21:52:21 (EST)
Poster: Scott T. Email: To: Anon Subject: Re: lineage Message: Anon, I am interested in the lineage in and around Shri Hans and Sarupanand and before. I have read Lane, etc. I also could not get a copy of the rare book you mention that Scott T. found in lib of congress, and was hoping that you could copy and discuss with me. Any news? I am at the e-mail listed. Thanks. I'd be happy to discuss the book if I could get my hands on it myself! I shared the directions Lane gave me somewhere on a post and Scott T. knows now too. I don't think he has got hold of it yet though. Are you in the US? 'cos if you are perhaps you could get it. If not we'll have to wait and see I think. I believe that the book (and probably others like it) are available in India. As yet no Indian premies showing up here. Observer and Anon: Can't get to it this week. Plan to go down the end of next. -Scott Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 20:29:20 (EST)
Poster: observer Email: To: Everyone Subject: laughing Message: This site provides great humor entertainment. I crack up laughing at so many of the jokes. Sometimes people are roasted pretty bad, but all in all I find there is an element of human kindness. I appreciate being able to read it, I appreciate the efforts made, and most of the contributors. Brian, can you see how many people just come and read here? I am sure a lot of people skim the site. Of course it's not just jokes, the feelings run deep here, but anybody who has ever had anything to do with K could get a good laugh, and maybe cry a little, reading some of the stuff in this forum. Today I really laughed. Having read and sympathized with Brian's tales of excrutiating pain trying to keep this lousy software up, we find the system crashed. That was sad. And then poor Mili, who we all know is not the most sophisticated arguer, gets the finger of suspicion pointed at him, and I'm sure not without at least some merit, because of his past activities. It seems Mili has given up arguing, and resorted to crashing the site with a lot of xxx's! But wait! Then it turns out to be one of the stars of the show, Mr. Ex, who has screwed up royally, or taking into account Anon's point of upload time, perhaps a combo of Mr. Ex + Paradise. I rolled over laughing. I'm sorry Brian, to you, who has to fix the thing and keep it up for the benifit of all who appreciate it, I'm sure there is no humor in the crash. But to someone sitting and watching the slug-fest, there is a very funny irony for me in this latest twist of events. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 20:47:50 (EST)
Poster: Anon Email: To: observer Subject: Re: laughing Message: Now then Monsieur Voyeur! This is no laughing matter! Besides how dare you lurk like some 'Peeping Tom', offering no contribution but the distracting din of your inane laughter over our little side-show Nota Bene that we are kindly providing you with. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 22:23:35 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: observer Subject: Re: laughing Message: Dear observer - I and others always suspect that there are people out there reading the forum but not posting. Personally, that would be hard for me to do - I find the impulse to jump into the conversation irresistible. I find the site entertaining as well at times, but I agree with you that there is definitely a thread of human kindness running through almost all the postings. That's one of the reasons I continue posting here - I like the people who participate in the forum very much. I liked your posting and I'm glad you (and possibly others) enjoy reading the site - maybe now that you've posted, you'll feel inclined to continue participating? Regards from Katie P.S. Re: the site crash - you should be sorry for Mr. Ex as well! How embarrassing - for anyone! I admire his courage to speak up and say he did it. Actually I am glad that it was a mistake and not a deliberate attempt on the part of someone who is against the site or just fooling around. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 02:41:59 (EST)
Poster: Davide Email: djulian@cix.compulink.co.uk To: Katie Subject: Re: laughing Message: I laugh at all the speling mistaks by all of thees edukated peeple (myself inclewded). Lets face it, half of us mist be in our fortes but we stil canot rite! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 08:39:54 (EST)
Poster: Scott T. Email: To: Davide Subject: Re: laughing Message: I laugh at all the speling mistaks by all of thees edukated peeple (myself inclewded). Lets face it, half of us mist be in our fortes but we stil canot rite! David: My exceus is thet its so diffcult to see thoes leettle tiny leders. Scottt Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 08:43:22 (EST)
Poster: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: observer Subject: Re: laughing Message: I wish I could say that we get together secretly every few weeks and come up with hilarious skits to keep readers amused. Or that we operate like Second City Comedy Group. One of us will have an idea and the rest of us catch on immediately and begin improvising our own parts to prolong and heighten the humor. Comics make a pretty good living pointing out what idiotic fools we really are, and we pay good money to sit and laugh at their comments. It's all too bizarre. As for Mr Ex, I agree with Katie that it must have been very embarrassing for him. I was trying to shield him from some of it, but also knew that he would feel the need to admit he did it. I was dreading that for him. I go to the local airport a couple of times a day and have been watching the ongoing construction of a passenger bridge from added parking garages. For whatever reason the designers included an ugly tower framework with cables running down to mid-span for support, rather than holding it up from below with columns. I became convinced that they were actually building a drawspan and finally called the local papers to tell them. They said thanks, and let us know if you see anything else news-worthy. They said they'd send out a photographer. On my next trip out there I realized that the 'drawspan' lacks any sort of hinge. Sheeesh. Now I still go out there every day and have to view the tower which stands as a monument to my stupidity. I don't think I'll call the papers again... I just wish I knew what my next big mistake was going to be so I could stay in bed that day. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 10:28:03 (EST)
Poster: Mr Ex Email: To: Brian Subject: Laughing not ashamed (Re: laughing) Message: Thanks for these posts (Katie, Brian & Observer), I really had a lot of fun after being so embarrassed .... What makes me feel most embarrassed is very likely the fact that I’ve been so stupid believing in BigM’s divinity for such a long time! It’s so easy to believe in the embodiment of your dream .... I had to talk about this spamming business on the Forum anyway, otherwise I’ll have to talk about it to my therapist, and this guy’s attention is much more costly than yours! Thanks for saving me at least 40 box. I’ll owe some financial participation for the forum/website I guess! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 20:04:22 (EST)
Poster: JW Email: joger02@aol.com To: Everyone Subject: Whatever Happened To Message: Speaking of Julia Howe got me thinking of another singer: Suzie Bai Whitten. [You know, "Green Were The Hills" etc. She even sang at the wedding of the Lord of The Universe.] Anyone know whatever happened to her? I recall she was really fat and then got really thin. In about 1975 she was sent to where I was living in San Antonio because she was considered a problem premie. Lots of ashram premies were sent there for that reason, mostly from Denver as I recall. But she looked great and I used to ask her to sing at introductory programs. She also sang a song right before the first time I ever saw Guru Maharaj Ji speak, in Chicago in 1973. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 20:14:40 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: JW Subject: Re: Whatever Happened To Message: Speaking of Julia Howe got me thinking of another singer: Suzie Bai Whitten. [You know, 'Green Were The Hills' etc. She even sang at the wedding of the Lord of The Universe.] Anyone know whatever happened to her? I recall she was really fat and then got really thin. In about 1975 she was sent to where I was living in San Antonio because she was considered a problem premie. Lots of ashram premies were sent there for that reason, mostly from Denver as I recall. But she looked great and I used to ask her to sing at introductory programs. She also sang a song right before the first time I ever saw Guru Maharaj Ji speak, in Chicago in 1973. I don't know what happened to Suzie Bai, but I'd like to know too. She was staying in the DC ashram when I was an aspirant in October of 72 and I liked her a lot, although I was somewhat awed by her. She was really nice to me (as were two other female premies: Connie Best - who later became Sophia Collier's partner in Soho Natural Sodas, and Jackie Murphy). Suzie Bai's kindness and general personality was one of the reasons I got knowledge - she was a definite role model for me (I was 16 at the time and REALLY needed a good one. I already had plenty of bad ones!) By the way, Joe, I don't remember her being really fat. She was overweight, but also was very beautiful. But I never saw her after about 1976. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 20:46:52 (EST)
Poster: David Email: djulian@cix.compulink.co.uk To: Katie Subject: Re: Whatever Happened To Message: I remember Suzie Bai. Didn't she also sing that song, "Green were the hills I used to roam"? You know I'm not sure if there's been a mix up over her and Julia Howe here. Because I heard years ago that the two girls who sang "Lord of the Universe" i.e. Suzie and someone else, had both died in a car crash. Perhaps CD is mixing things up here since he said that Julia had died in a car crash. Nigel, you're in Britain. Do you know anything? Suzie Bai stayed in the ashram I was in for a while and was a delight to have around. She didn't seem a problem then. So called problem premies (and I was one of them) were those of us who were considered too individualistic. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 23:44:05 (EST)
Poster: mark Email: To: David Subject: Re: Whatever Happened To Message: she's quite normal weightwise. she lives in LA and works as a screenwriter. her spin on things is that mr. rawat was sincere and then "fell out of grace". she like many who recieved knowledge with the desire to link up with the superior power, has continued to remain committed to the power,but severing her "relationship to mr. rawat Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 01:05:44 (EST)
Poster: David Email: djulian@cix.compulink.co.uk To: mark Subject: Re: Whatever Happened To Message: Well good to know it wasn't her who bought it in a car. The problem with living on this side of the Atlantic is that there's hardly any ex or non ex premies who are on the net and therefore finding out about British ex or non ex premies is very difficult. Of course Suzie Bai wasn't fat. Just pretty normal if you ask me. Very interesting to get that update on her. Fascinating since I've not seen her since about 1974. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 01:05:59 (EST)
Poster: David Email: djulian@cix.compulink.co.uk To: mark Subject: Re: Whatever Happened To Message: Well good to know it wasn't her who bought it in a car. The problem with living on this side of the Atlantic is that there's hardly any ex or non ex premies who are on the net and therefore finding out about British ex or non ex premies is very difficult. Of course Suzie Bai wasn't fat. Just pretty normal if you ask me. Very interesting to get that update on her. Fascinating since I've not seen her since about 1974. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 03:03:09 (EST)
Poster: JW Email: To: David Subject: Re: Whatever Happened To Message: Well good to know it wasn't her who bought it in a car. The problem with living on this side of the Atlantic is that there's hardly any ex or non ex premies who are on the net and therefore finding out about British ex or non ex premies is very difficult. Of course Suzie Bai wasn't fat. Just pretty normal if you ask me. Very interesting to get that update on her. Fascinating since I've not seen her since about 1974. Okay, okay, maybe she was just a little chubby, but in 1973 she looked pretty fat to me. By the time she got to San Antonio she was thin and she told me she had lost 60 pounds, so she was at least chubby before that. I like Suzie too. She seemed very normal in comparison to a lot of the more robot premies. "Problem premies" really were the ones who were too individualistic. I was told that he wasn't following the ashram schedule in Denver (never got up for arti, etc) and the rumor was perhaps involved a little too closely with a brother there and got sent away to protect her celibacy. Not only problem ashram premies were sent there. Even Parlokanand the child molester was sent there for awhile before he went back to India. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 09:26:57 (EST)
Poster: John K. Email: nostalgic@melancholia.com To: JW Subject: Gossip (Re: Whatever Happened To) Message: **Warning - the following post is very low vibe - pure gossip** Problem premies in the city of love and light huh. So why were you there JW? Or were you one of the 'strong' premies to help stabilize the 'problem' premies? (BTW, in San Antonio, did you know Eddie Ormont, my dear buddy from Oregon?) I used to drive Suzy Bai to work - this was in wash. dc a long time ago. like pre millenium? She always struck me as far too cool to be in the ashram. I associate her with David Richman (or Richmond?) another very funny and 'individualistic' premie who did not fit in the ashram very well. I think they were 'very' friendly with each other, ya know what I mean? She can't STILL be called Suzy Bai. 'Take some time, to seek and you shall find the shining perfect and true jewel of human kind' She sang some beautiful songs. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 10:16:44 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: To: John K. Subject: Re: Gossip (Re: Whatever Happened To) Message: **Warning - the following post is very low vibe - pure gossip** Problem premies in the city of love and light huh. So why were you there JW? Or were you one of the 'strong' premies to help stabilize the 'problem' premies? (BTW, in San Antonio, did you know Eddie Ormont, my dear buddy from Oregon?) I used to drive Suzy Bai to work - this was in wash. dc a long time ago. like pre millenium? She always struck me as far too cool to be in the ashram. I associate her with David Richman (or Richmond?) another very funny and 'individualistic' premie who did not fit in the ashram very well. I think they were 'very' friendly with each other, ya know what I mean? She can't STILL be called Suzy Bai. 'Take some time, to seek and you shall find the shining perfect and true jewel of human kind' She sang some beautiful songs. Hi John (MORE shameless GOSSIP)- I think you might be getting Suzie Bai mixed up with Susie Stein, with regard to David Richman. Susie Stein looked a little bit like Suzie Bai, was also a musician (she played at LA & J's wedding), and I think that she & David Richman had lived together in Philadephia before receiving knowledge and moving into the ashram. We always wondered if they ended up getting back together later. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 10:47:25 (EST)
Poster: John K. Email: To: Katie Subject: Re: Gossip (Re: Whatever Happened To) Message: Okay smarty pants, so what was Suzy Bai's last name, huh? Or was it actually Bai? But isn't a bai a female mahatma? Anyway, yes, my memory has faltered once again. What a revelation! I really am confused! Two suzy's with such similar voices - hey maybe they were twins! But then they wouldn't have the same name now would they. Twins separated at birth perhaps. David Richman was very funny. I remember him 'giving satsang' about the worst thing about being a premie was not to be able to go into McDonald's anymore and order a double cheeseburger through the garden. well...I guess ya had to be there. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 10:52:50 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: To: John K. Subject: Re: Gossip (Re: Whatever Happened To) Message: Okay smarty pants, so what was Suzy Bai's last name, huh? Or was it actually Bai? But isn't a bai a female mahatma? Anyway, yes, my memory has faltered once again. What a revelation! I really am confused! Two suzy's with such similar voices - hey maybe they were twins! But then they wouldn't have the same name now would they. Twins separated at birth perhaps. David Richman was very funny. I remember him 'giving satsang' about the worst thing about being a premie was not to be able to go into McDonald's anymore and order a double cheeseburger through the garden. well...I guess ya had to be there. Actually John, I screwed up - it was SALLY Stein, not Suzie Stein. Suzie Bai's last name was Whitten. Also, I wouldn't have remembered all this if I hadn't looked at LA's first wedding pictures recently. I really liked, but was somewhat in awe of, all three of those people: David, Sally, and Susie. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 13:08:00 (EST)
Poster: David Email: djulian@cix.compulink.co.uk To: JW Subject: Problem premies (Re: Whatever Happened To) Message: Here in Britain, problem premies were sent to Inverness ashram. Actually this was miles outside Inverness up in the Highlands above Loch Ness. Being a problem premie, I got sent there after twice running away from Stoke ashram. Nick Seymour-Jones was very nice about it. He said that ashram premies who were having a hard time could recover in Inverness ashram. It sounded just the job. I arrived at the ashram in the early hours of the morning after getting lost in the highlands (the ashram was miles from any roads). This ashram was even more bizarre than the one I'd just left. The housemother and ashram secretary were clearly having a forbidden relationship and all the other premies were really heavy characters. Some of the people I'd thought I had escaped from in Divine Sales were there to haunt me. It was terrible. Like a bad dream. The countryside was beautiful though and after I'd herded the cows out of the garden every morning, I'd take the long walk to the bus stop to catch a bus to Inverness, where I got a job working in a food wharehouse. I used to supply much of the ashram with spoiled items. The weekends were the worst because I'd be surrounded by all my Divine Sales nightmare premies laying trips on me. Often I'd run away and climb the mountain. A wonderous sight awaited me once I reached the summit because on the other side was Loch Ness, layed out in all its awsome splendour. I never saw the monster. In the end I became too much of a problem even for Inverness ashram for bongos. I was despatched back to Stoke ashram with a dire warning from Nick, "Run away one more time and you're out of the ashram forever!" Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 13:30:26 (EST)
Poster: JW Email: joger02@aol.com To: John K. Subject: Re: Gossip (Re: Whatever Happened To) Message: **Warning - the following post is very low vibe - pure gossip** Problem premies in the city of love and light huh. So why were you there JW? Or were you one of the 'strong' premies to help stabilize the 'problem' premies? (BTW, in San Antonio, did you know Eddie Ormont, my dear buddy from Oregon?) I used to drive Suzy Bai to work - this was in wash. dc a long time ago. like pre millenium? She always struck me as far too cool to be in the ashram. I associate her with David Richman (or Richmond?) another very funny and 'individualistic' premie who did not fit in the ashram very well. I think they were 'very' friendly with each other, ya know what I mean? She can't STILL be called Suzy Bai. 'Take some time, to seek and you shall find the shining perfect and true jewel of human kind' She sang some beautiful songs. Unfortunately, I don't think I was a very individualistic premie. Wish I had been. I got into the ashram the same way I did in the Catholic Church. My Aunt used to kid me and say that I was trying to be TBLBITW (the best little boy in the world)when I was I kid. I used to go to daily mass in elementary school and I wanted to be a priest. Well, that died a sudden death later, but in DLM I approached the ashram with the same religious furvor, I am afraid. Anyway, I got sent to San Antonio because they were starting a novitiate program for premies from all over the country who wanted to live in the asrham. It was headed by Bill Patterson. They sent a bunch of ashram premies to help out in the program. I wasn't a honcho or anything, I just lived there. I got a job as a bird keeper at the San Antonio Zoo and worked there for a couple of years. I liked, really idolized, Bill Patterson. I thought he was some kind of saint. I never thought he would ever dump Maharaji, but he apparently did. But DLM also seemed to use COLL as a place to send ashram premies who were spacing out. Suzie Bai Whitten, I think was one of them, along with a number of others, mostly from Denver. I don't think Suzie fit into the ashram norm. She was just a gopi and basically didn't care about anything else. Plus, I think she was getting into some kind of relationship with someone. But she was a very nice person, and I always felt she kind of considered a lot of the DLM stuff as kind of a joke, or never took it too seriously. But that kind of thing wasn't really tolerated too well. I know as ashram housefather in a couple of places, I would personally talk to premies who didn't, for example, get up at 5:00 am to sing arti every morning. Can you believe that? I'm embarrassed to say that now. I was nice about it and never forced anyone, but some of the initiators would really lay into people who weren't following all the rules. Whichever initiator happened to be in town, (along with his or her hangups and neuroses) would have a large bearing on how things were proceeding and whether the premies were comfortable or freaked out. I don't recall Eddie Ormont, but there were 150-200 premies living in the COLL ashram while I was there and that was a long time ago. We actually took over most of a big hotel (The Gunther) and lived there. In some ways it was very nice, especially in the sense that a lot of the politics and craziness that surrounded IHQ and the residences didn't reach there. It was kind of out of the way and protected in that sense. But it was very spartan and regimented as well. I recall in 1975 Raja Ji and Claudia did a tour. Raja Ji gave the most inane and stupid, not to mention condescending satsang. He said San Antonio appeared to him to be at the end of the world. It much have seemed far away from his jet-set live among the rich and glamorous. Even then, a lot of the premies commented on what air-heards he and Claudia were. They also sent mahatmas who were having problems there too. They would have to come there and work in the kitchen or in this big car wash we ran as a business, and weren't allowed to give satsang. That was true of Parlokanad and one of the Bais, was it "Sulaskna" or something like that? I liked her too. She was the one who said Mata Ji was such a bitch to her and that Mata Ji didn't do much of anything but eat and watch television. I used to love to hear her talk about that stuff, as well, of course, about all her interactions with Guru Maharaj Ji. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 13:34:28 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: David Subject: Re: Problem premies (Re: Whatever Happened To) Message: Here in Britain, problem premies were sent to Inverness ashram. Actually this was miles outside Inverness up in the Highlands above Loch Ness. Being a problem premie, I got sent there after twice running away from Stoke ashram. Nick Seymour-Jones was very nice about it. He said that ashram premies who were having a hard time could recover in Inverness ashram. It sounded just the job. I arrived at the ashram in the early hours of the morning after getting lost in the highlands (the ashram was miles from any roads). This ashram was even more bizarre than the one I'd just left. The housemother and ashram secretary were clearly having a forbidden relationship and all the other premies were really heavy characters. Some of the people I'd thought I had escaped from in Divine Sales were there to haunt me. It was terrible. Like a bad dream. The countryside was beautiful though and after I'd herded the cows out of the garden every morning, I'd take the long walk to the bus stop to catch a bus to Inverness, where I got a job working in a food wharehouse. I used to supply much of the ashram with spoiled items. The weekends were the worst because I'd be surrounded by all my Divine Sales nightmare premies laying trips on me. Often I'd run away and climb the mountain. A wonderous sight awaited me once I reached the summit because on the other side was Loch Ness, layed out in all its awsome splendour. I never saw the monster. In the end I became too much of a problem even for Inverness ashram for bongos. I was despatched back to Stoke ashram with a dire warning from Nick, 'Run away one more time and you're out of the ashram forever!' David - why did you run away? Did you try and go back after you ran away, and was that why you got in so much trouble? I guess my next question is: why did you go back? These ashrams for "problem premies" sound horrendous, by the way. It seems like a weird idea to me. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 13:36:16 (EST)
Poster: JW Email: To: David Subject: Re: Problem premies (Re: Whatever Happened To) Message: Here in Britain, problem premies were sent to Inverness ashram. Actually this was miles outside Inverness up in the Highlands above Loch Ness. Being a problem premie, I got sent there after twice running away from Stoke ashram. Nick Seymour-Jones was very nice about it. He said that ashram premies who were having a hard time could recover in Inverness ashram. It sounded just the job. I arrived at the ashram in the early hours of the morning after getting lost in the highlands (the ashram was miles from any roads). This ashram was even more bizarre than the one I'd just left. The housemother and ashram secretary were clearly having a forbidden relationship and all the other premies were really heavy characters. Some of the people I'd thought I had escaped from in Divine Sales were there to haunt me. It was terrible. Like a bad dream. The countryside was beautiful though and after I'd herded the cows out of the garden every morning, I'd take the long walk to the bus stop to catch a bus to Inverness, where I got a job working in a food wharehouse. I used to supply much of the ashram with spoiled items. The weekends were the worst because I'd be surrounded by all my Divine Sales nightmare premies laying trips on me. Often I'd run away and climb the mountain. A wonderous sight awaited me once I reached the summit because on the other side was Loch Ness, layed out in all its awsome splendour. I never saw the monster. In the end I became too much of a problem even for Inverness ashram for bongos. I was despatched back to Stoke ashram with a dire warning from Nick, 'Run away one more time and you're out of the ashram forever!' David, what do you mean, that you "ran away." Do you mean you would leave the ashram for days or weeks or something? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 13:37:50 (EST)
Poster: And On Anand Ji Email: aoa To: David Subject: Re: Problem premies (Re: Whatever Happened To) Message: The weekends were the worst because I'd be surrounded by all my Divine Sales nightmare premies laying trips on me.
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Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 13:44:36 (EST)
Poster: JW Email: To: JW Subject: Re: Gossip (Re: Whatever Happened To) Message: Sorry about the typos in the previous post. I'm at the office and only partly paying attention. But I wanted also to mention the double standard in DLM when it came to "problem premies." If you had some position or skill that was considered important, or if you made a lot of money for the Lord, you could get away with a lot more than if you were just some nobody, peon, premie. Also, if you had friends among the hierarchy or PAM you could get away with a lot too. I know people who lived in the ashrams and never really followed the rules and carried on all kinds of extracurricular activities, and never were disciplined for it, because they had something else M and the mission wanted, like money or a skill. I always also wondered, for example, how some initiators, like Randy Prouty had those extensive wardrobes. Randy was an initiator, with suppposedly no money, and yet he had Italian designer clothes to die for. I have since thought he must have been gay (I don't know one way or the other) because I never met a straight man who was so into clothes. :) But I could never figure out how he and some others got away with it, while the ashram premies were in debt and wearing underwear full of holes. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 13:46:41 (EST)
Poster: eb Email: To: Everyone Subject: Problem Premies (Re: Whatever Happened To) Message: I had no idea that "problem premies" were sent to San Antonio. In 1974 after Guru Puja, my boyfriend and I hitchhiked to Denver and then to San Antonio. I was crushed when we were not accepted to live in the City of Love and Light--I guess we were *really* problem premies. So we got married at the Alamo and went on to have a very strange relationship. Spent lots of time at programs doing childcare and watching satsang on TV. Cheers, eb Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 13:49:07 (EST)
Poster: And On Anand Ji Email: aoa To: JW Subject: Re: Gossip (Re: Whatever Happened To) Message: [--snip--] They also sent mahatmas who were having problems there too. They would have to come there and work in the kitchen or in this big car wash we ran as a business, and weren't allowed to give satsang. Does Rainbow Grocery get much airplay on this web site? I mean, are there any stories about how it began, what it was like working there -- all that? I was floored the first time I visited there (Denver, on Colfax, I believe). Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 13:59:11 (EST)
Poster: JW Email: To: eb Subject: Re: Problem Premies (Re: Whatever Happened To) Message: I had no idea that 'problem premies' were sent to San Antonio. In 1974 after Guru Puja, my boyfriend and I hitchhiked to Denver and then to San Antonio. I was crushed when we were not accepted to live in the City of Love and Light--I guess we were *really* problem premies. So we got married at the Alamo and went on to have a very strange relationship. Spent lots of time at programs doing childcare and watching satsang on TV. Cheers, eb Interesting. Actually COLL started out, I think in 1974 or maybe even 1973, by a bunch of premies who wanted to start the Divine City. Families were allowed to live there and there wasn't technically even an ashram. Gradually, however, DLM took it over and the families were sort of forced into other living situations, and it became basically just one big ashram. It was only after DLM got control of it that they began sending "problem premies" and also "novitiates" (is that word weird, or what?) there. Bill Patterson was also sent, along with some of us ashram types to the place as well. Did they give you a reason, back in 1974, as to why you were not "accepted" into COLL? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 14:33:46 (EST)
Poster: David Email: djulian@cix.compulink.co.uk To: JW, Katie & all Subject: Re: Problem premies (Re: Whatever Happened To) Message: When I could stand the ashram regime no more I would go down to London to meet some of my old premie friends and then meet Nick Seymour-Jones to tell him I could stand it no longer! I guess I have a low tolerance level to being abused and there was abuse in the ashrams back then. Being kicked out of bed when you're ill, not having enough to eat when you have a hard manual job to do and just the general constant regime of SS&M without any respite was enough to make me just flip out. I always wanted to be Maharaji's devotee but I found it hard to hack living in an ashram with all the self denial and lack of normal relationships and activities. I would try to meditate my way out of it but sometimes I'd flip and could take it no more. By the way, meditation can cause a greater imbalance of the mind sometimes. When you're trying to meditate constantly you can freak out more. I always "ran away" to London head office to try and talk my problems over with Nick or a Mahatma. Unfortunately they either just prescribed more satsang or in Mahatma Ashoke Anand's case, he told me to get up at 4 am every day to meditate and to meditate while I was eating. What brilliant advice from such a realised soul. When I was in Inverness ashram I just used to disappear up the mountain for the day and come back for tea. Just for the record, the ashram secretary and his housemother were very nice to me. They were pretty much removed from the DLM stuff. It was the Divine Sales rejects which made me take off into the mountains. The view was good too. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 14:46:19 (EST)
Poster: John K. Email: To: And On Anand Ji Subject: Re: Gossip (Re: Whatever Happened To) Message: "I was floored the first time I visited there (Denver, on Colfax, I believe)." Hey AOA: Define 'floored'. Did someone throw you to the floor? Were you 'blissed out'? Were you disgusted? I was never in a community where one of those stores existed, but I seem to remember hearing that it was the model of perfection. Really together. I heard stories that normal people shoppers would go into these stores and leave totally blissed out. Blissfully unaware of course why they felt so good. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 15:12:35 (EST)
Poster: JW Email: To: John K. Subject: Re: Gossip (Re: Whatever Happened To) Message: 'I was floored the first time I visited there (Denver, on Colfax, I believe).' Hey AOA: Define 'floored'. Did someone throw you to the floor? Were you 'blissed out'? Were you disgusted? I was never in a community where one of those stores existed, but I seem to remember hearing that it was the model of perfection. Really together. I heard stories that normal people shoppers would go into these stores and leave totally blissed out. Blissfully unaware of course why they felt so good. I think those stories you heard were embellished, just a tad! We premies often supported our collective illusion what whoever came in contact with premies would feel some wonderful vibe or another. This was multiplied by being in the presence of M himself. This was disproved to me when I brought non-premie acquaintances to introductory programs with M. By and large, they were underwhelmed, bored, and thought the premies looked like grinning robots. After that, we usually never discussed it again. Me and my "religious trip" were just off limits after that. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 16:16:25 (EST)
Poster: JW Email: To: David Subject: Re: Problem premies (Re: Whatever Happened To) Message: When I could stand the ashram regime no more I would go down to London to meet some of my old premie friends and then meet Nick Seymour-Jones to tell him I could stand it no longer! I guess I have a low tolerance level to being abused and there was abuse in the ashrams back then. Being kicked out of bed when you're ill, not having enough to eat when you have a hard manual job to do and just the general constant regime of SS&M without any respite was enough to make me just flip out. I always wanted to be Maharaji's devotee but I found it hard to hack living in an ashram with all the self denial and lack of normal relationships and activities. I would try to meditate my way out of it but sometimes I'd flip and could take it no more. By the way, meditation can cause a greater imbalance of the mind sometimes. When you're trying to meditate constantly you can freak out more. I always 'ran away' to London head office to try and talk my problems over with Nick or a Mahatma. Unfortunately they either just prescribed more satsang or in Mahatma Ashoke Anand's case, he told me to get up at 4 am every day to meditate and to meditate while I was eating. What brilliant advice from such a realised soul. When I was in Inverness ashram I just used to disappear up the mountain for the day and come back for tea. Just for the record, the ashram secretary and his housemother were very nice to me. They were pretty much removed from the DLM stuff. It was the Divine Sales rejects which made me take off into the mountains. The view was good too. Who were the "divine sales rejects." I didn't think it was possible to get rejected from Divine Sales. That was kind of the bottom of the barrel. Actually, what you had to go through, especially the insensitivity from those in charge to you as an individual sounds awful, but I can relate to it. That kind of abuse was quite widespread in the ashrams, and especially for those who were very sensitive to it, or had a harder time surrendering to the ashram rules. If you superimpose on this Maharaji's statements about never leaving, you could really feel like you were in prison. Actually, there were times when I wanted to run away too. But I was too afraid to. I was afraid of missing what GMJ was offering and in not being surrendered to him, who I believed, after all, was the Messiah. But I can recall in Miami, where I was especially miserable, watching planes fly over the city and wishing I was on one of them. I didn't even know where I would go, just anywhere seemed like it would be better. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 16:17:57 (EST)
Poster: And On Anand Ji Email: aoa To: -------- Subject: Re: Gossip (Re: Whatever Happened To) Message: 'I was floored the first time I visited there (Denver, on Colfax, I believe).' Hey AOA: Define 'floored'. floored -- unexpectedly impressed; overwhelmed. Yeah, I didn't want to shop anywhere else, ever again. Of course, I wanted to be able to afford to shop there, which wasn't happening. And I didn't live in Denver. Our local health food stores had some of the appeal but of course they weren't at all associated with premies. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Feb 26, 1998 at 07:59:30 (EST)
Poster: David Email: djulian@cix.compulink.co.uk To: JW Subject: Gluttons for punishment (Re: Whatever Happened To) Message: Well fortunately you did run away in the end. If I'd had less of the programming at the time I would have left the ashram for good then. However, despite flipping out over the situation I always ended up talking to Glen Whittaker or Nick and trying to sort the problem out. Now I realise that they were just as programmed as I was and really they couldn't help me. They could have transfered me to a more amenable ashram I suppose but rising above things was taken very seriously then and I was always sent back to the same situation exept when I got sent to Inverness, where it was even worse. Eventually after two years of trying to live in the ashram, I walked out for good. I had a bad personality clash with the ashram secretary of the Rugby ashram and it was virtually impossible for me to carry on living there. Believe it or not though, even after my bad ashram experience of the seventies, I was begging to go back into an ashram by the early eighties and started attending ashram applicants satsang. Talk about a glutton for punishment! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Feb 26, 1998 at 08:21:16 (EST)
Poster: Scott T. Email: To: David Subject: Re: Gluttons for punishment (Re: Whatever Happened To) Message: David, Regarding: Inverness, where it was even worse. Inverness -- even worse, it rhymes. Sorry, I must be getting loopy. -Scott Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Feb 26, 1998 at 13:00:15 (EST)
Poster: JW Email: To: David Subject: Re: Gluttons for punishment (Re: Whatever Happened To) Message: Well fortunately you did run away in the end. If I'd had less of the programming at the time I would have left the ashram for good then. However, despite flipping out over the situation I always ended up talking to Glen Whittaker or Nick and trying to sort the problem out. Now I realise that they were just as programmed as I was and really they couldn't help me. They could have transfered me to a more amenable ashram I suppose but rising above things was taken very seriously then and I was always sent back to the same situation exept when I got sent to Inverness, where it was even worse. Eventually after two years of trying to live in the ashram, I walked out for good. I had a bad personality clash with the ashram secretary of the Rugby ashram and it was virtually impossible for me to carry on living there. Believe it or not though, even after my bad ashram experience of the seventies, I was begging to go back into an ashram by the early eighties and started attending ashram applicants satsang. Talk about a glutton for punishment! David, what you are saying about being so miserable in the ashram, but nonetheless wanting to return there, is an excellent example of how directly Maharaji was involved in our living in these houses of the forelorn. His demands for total dedication and surrender, for blind compliance with his dictates, including the ashram, meant that if a devotee was at all sincere, he or she was willing to forego even one's own better judgment, comfort, and even health, in order to be surrendered 100% to the lord. It does make me angry that Maharaji is so lacking in morals and integrity that he won't even take any responsibility for the effects his bahvior had on real human beings. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Feb 26, 1998 at 16:37:19 (EST)
Poster: eb Email: To: JW Subject: Re: Problem Premies (Re: Whatever Happened To) Message: I had no idea that 'problem premies' were sent to San Antonio. In 1974 after Guru Puja, my boyfriend and I hitchhiked to Denver and then to San Antonio. I was crushed when we were not accepted to live in the City of Love and Light--I guess we were *really* problem premies. So we got married at the Alamo and went on to have a very strange relationship. Spent lots of time at programs doing childcare and watching satsang on TV. Cheers, eb Interesting. Actually COLL started out, I think in 1974 or maybe even 1973, by a bunch of premies who wanted to start the Divine City. Families were allowed to live there and there wasn't technically even an ashram. Gradually, however, DLM took it over and the families were sort of forced into other living situations, and it became basically just one big ashram. It was only after DLM got control of it that they began sending 'problem premies' and also 'novitiates' (is that word weird, or what?) there. Bill Patterson was also sent, along with some of us ashram types to the place as well. Did they give you a reason, back in 1974, as to why you were not 'accepted' into COLL? You're right. There were families living in a large apartment complex, as I recall. But I don't remember the exact reason we were given when we weren't accepted. I can still remember the premie who ran the place sitting behind his desk, closing his eyes and taking a deep breath, and then speaking to us as though he were channeling Maharaji. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Feb 26, 1998 at 17:10:19 (EST)
Poster: JW Email: To: eb Subject: Re: Problem Premies (Re: Whatever Happened To) Message: I had no idea that 'problem premies' were sent to San Antonio. In 1974 after Guru Puja, my boyfriend and I hitchhiked to Denver and then to San Antonio. I was crushed when we were not accepted to live in the City of Love and Light--I guess we were *really* problem premies. So we got married at the Alamo and went on to have a very strange relationship. Spent lots of time at programs doing childcare and watching satsang on TV. Cheers, eb Interesting. Actually COLL started out, I think in 1974 or maybe even 1973, by a bunch of premies who wanted to start the Divine City. Families were allowed to live there and there wasn't technically even an ashram. Gradually, however, DLM took it over and the families were sort of forced into other living situations, and it became basically just one big ashram. It was only after DLM got control of it that they began sending 'problem premies' and also 'novitiates' (is that word weird, or what?) there. Bill Patterson was also sent, along with some of us ashram types to the place as well. Did they give you a reason, back in 1974, as to why you were not 'accepted' into COLL? You're right. There were families living in a large apartment complex, as I recall. But I don't remember the exact reason we were given when we weren't accepted. I can still remember the premie who ran the place sitting behind his desk, closing his eyes and taking a deep breath, and then speaking to us as though he were channeling Maharaji. Actually, when I arrived at COLL, it was headed by a guy, whose name I can't recall, who was married to this very nice woman from Italy. That pobably was the guy behind the desk. He was an absolute egotistical jerk, a real manipulator and I never trusted him. He was probably the guy behind the desk channeling. There was also this woman, P.J. Johns who also was one of the honchos in charge. But most of the premies who were living there were very nice people. Anyhow, the guy got sent to jail, for something he did previously, and was in prison near Dallas. I recall we used to go up to Dallas some weekends and do introductory programs for some of the prisoners. It was kind of strange. I think they were more interested in some of the premie sisters than in listening to satsang. I actually felt more comfortable with the regular DLM types who took over later. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 12:43:05 (EST)
Poster: And On Anand Ji Email: To: Everyone Subject: Premie Demographic Profile Message: It always struck me as curious that the premie demographic was so sharply drawn: o Christian or Jewish religious background o Caucasian race and ethnicity o Educated That was one kind of premie. A premie community might be made up of 3 or 4 demographicly distinct subgroups, but most of them were quite consistent from city to city! An entire continent like that (North America) seemed peculiar to me, from day one. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 14:32:52 (EST)
Poster: JW Email: To: And On Anand Ji Subject: Re: Premie Demographic Profile Message: It always struck me as curious that the premie demographic was so sharply drawn: o Christian or Jewish religious background o Caucasian race and ethnicity o Educated That was one kind of premie. A premie community might be made up of 3 or 4 demographicly distinct subgroups, but most of them were quite consistent from city to city! An entire continent like that (North America) seemed peculiar to me, from day one. More than just "christian," I think Catholic and Jewish premies existed far out of proportion to the general population. I think this was especially true for ashram premies. I recall in one ashram I lived in, out of 17 people, all but about 3 came from either Catholic or Jewish backgrounds, and all were "caucasian." Other racial groups were hardly represented at all among premies. Class is also an important factor. I think the majority were from middle class families/some from upper middle class families. These people were not scratching out survival and could afford to "experiment" at least to some extent, with looking into stuff like DLM. I think the religious backgrounds are significant, because they tend to make one more open to the possibility of the messiah, or a spiritual/religious solution to the world's (and one's own) problems. The racial/class/ethnic similarities, I think, come from the fact that people tend to get involved in things in which they feel comfortable with the others in the group. In other words, the other premies looked like me, since they had similar backgrounds, and hence I was more opening to listening to what they had to say. People from other racial/class/ethnic groups would have to also get over that initial feeling of discomfort to even be opened to getting involved. There were some exceptions, but the group had a fairly set demographic. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 14:52:59 (EST)
Poster: Rick Email: rtaraday@hotmail.com To: JW Subject: Re: Premie Demographic Profile Message: I also noticed a disproportionate number of Catholics and Jews (I'm Jewish myself). But I remember these premies as having grown up in families that were only marginally religious, which may have contributed to the openness to a messiah-figure. Many people with heavy religious backgrounds are turned off to cults. This is speculation, of course. Also, I remember that most premies had been hippies (at least in the seventies) and had experimented with pot and acid. That's probably also connected to economic and social background. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 14:59:48 (EST)
Poster: Scott T. Email: To: JW Subject: Re: Premie Demographic Profile Message: It always struck me as curious that the premie demographic was so sharply drawn: o Christian or Jewish religious background o Caucasian race and ethnicity o Educated That was one kind of premie. A premie community might be made up of 3 or 4 demographicly distinct subgroups, but most of them were quite consistent from city to city! An entire continent like that (North America) seemed peculiar to me, from day one. More than just 'christian,' I think Catholic and Jewish premies existed far out of proportion to the general population. I think this was especially true for ashram premies. I recall in one ashram I lived in, out of 17 people, all but about 3 came from either Catholic or Jewish backgrounds, and all were 'caucasian.' Other racial groups were hardly represented at all among premies. Class is also an important factor. I think the majority were from middle class families/some from upper middle class families. These people were not scratching out survival and could afford to 'experiment' at least to some extent, with looking into stuff like DLM. I think the religious backgrounds are significant, because they tend to make one more open to the possibility of the messiah, or a spiritual/religious solution to the world's (and one's own) problems. The racial/class/ethnic similarities, I think, come from the fact that people tend to get involved in things in which they feel comfortable with the others in the group. In other words, the other premies looked like me, since they had similar backgrounds, and hence I was more opening to listening to what they had to say. People from other racial/class/ethnic groups would have to also get over that initial feeling of discomfort to even be opened to getting involved. There were some exceptions, but the group had a fairly set demographic. I can see no one is going to disagree with this, so I thought I'd give it a shot. By far the largest group of premies is Indian, and come from a Hindu background. In terms of class it would be interesting to discover which Indian castes were most highly represented. In the US it is true that most premies were white, but most people who participate in folk dancing and bicycle touring are also white. Not sure what it proves, except that color is class in the US and participting in these "extracurricular" activites requires some discretionary income and some free time. There were a number of black premies. Anon and I were just discussing a guy we lived with named Eli, in LA. I also remember an attractive young black woman with the improbable name "Darshana." Most of these black premies came from middle income families as well. I also recall a large percentage of Jewish premies. That's in interesting connection for a number of sociological reasons. The messianic bent of Judaism, the concept of the "unspeakable name" of God, etc. Well, that's my two cents... -Scott Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 15:30:49 (EST)
Poster: Nigel Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: Rick Subject: Re: Premie Demographic Profile Message: I also noticed a disproportionate number of Catholics and Jews (I'm Jewish myself). But I remember these premies as having grown up in families that were only marginally religious, which may have contributed to the openness to a messiah-figure. Many people with heavy religious backgrounds are turned off to cults. This is speculation, of course. Also, I remember that most premies had been hippies (at least in the seventies) and had experimented with pot and acid. That's probably also connected to economic and social background. Your point about ex-hippies was certainly true of my (UK) community - and I think there was more to it than economic and social factors. There was, for instance, a widespread beautiful, but naive notion that 'love' was about to conquer the world. And then there was the drug culture with all the talk of 'doors of perception' etc. Many of us were just sitting-ducks in retrospect. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 17:35:38 (EST)
Poster: Sylvie Aird known as Kishori Email: kishori@interlinx.qc.ca To: And On Anand Ji Subject: Re: Premie Demographic Profile Message: It's interesting that I used to think that the one wonderful thing about DLM was the family of premies. GMJ used this aspect very strongly. However, I have to say that the whole issue of knowledge seemed like a disfunctional family with the abusive father being forgiven by all for his mishaps. However the whole family heals in time, the secrets get out in the open and we move on. This morning I thinking about that: Where have all the premies gone.... I do not have any premie friend anymore, some I still speak on the phone once or twice a year. I was involved with DLM for 15 years and I have met wonderful people, some black, some Indian and some caucasian. So the law of synchronicity being what it was, I got a letter from a patient in Boulder this morning ( I have become a naturopath/kinesiologist and work mainly at distance on the phone) and she wanted me to read the book of a guy she's dating to know what I thought of him? It was a book by Rennie Davis (remember Millenium) well he is writing a book on the coming Millenium and the change in the human body. In the same letter she asked me who was my spiritual teacher (she's a follower of Mafu). I had to answer that I have become the master. I have saturated the devotee trip with GMJ to its fullest and I consider that that I am free form masters. It would be interesting anyway to get news from the family some of whom where so wild and fun. Love to you all who have become the masters. Kishori Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 17:35:49 (EST)
Poster: Sylvie Aird known as Kishori Email: kishori@interlinx.qc.ca To: And On Anand Ji Subject: Re: Premie Demographic Profile Message: It's interesting that I used to think that the one wonderful thing about DLM was the family of premies. GMJ used this aspect very strongly. However, I have to say that the whole issue of knowledge seemed like a disfunctional family with the abusive father being forgiven by all for his mishaps. However the whole family heals in time, the secrets get out in the open and we move on. This morning I thinking about that: Where have all the premies gone.... I do not have any premie friend anymore, some I still speak on the phone once or twice a year. I was involved with DLM for 15 years and I have met wonderful people, some black, some Indian and some caucasian. So the law of synchronicity being what it was, I got a letter from a patient in Boulder this morning ( I have become a naturopath/kinesiologist and work mainly at distance on the phone) and she wanted me to read the book of a guy she's dating to know what I thought of him? It was a book by Rennie Davis (remember Millenium) well he is writing a book on the coming Millenium and the change in the human body. In the same letter she asked me who was my spiritual teacher (she's a follower of Mafu). I had to answer that I have become the master. I have saturated the devotee trip with GMJ to its fullest and I consider that that I am free form masters. It would be interesting anyway to get news from the family some of whom where so wild and fun. Love to you all who have become the masters. Kishori Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 17:35:53 (EST)
Poster: Sylvie Aird known as Kishori Email: kishori@interlinx.qc.ca To: And On Anand Ji Subject: Re: Premie Demographic Profile Message: It's interesting that I used to think that the one wonderful thing about DLM was the family of premies. GMJ used this aspect very strongly. However, I have to say that the whole issue of knowledge seemed like a disfunctional family with the abusive father being forgiven by all for his mishaps. However the whole family heals in time, the secrets get out in the open and we move on. This morning I thinking about that: Where have all the premies gone.... I do not have any premie friend anymore, some I still speak on the phone once or twice a year. I was involved with DLM for 15 years and I have met wonderful people, some black, some Indian and some caucasian. So the law of synchronicity being what it was, I got a letter from a patient in Boulder this morning ( I have become a naturopath/kinesiologist and work mainly at distance on the phone) and she wanted me to read the book of a guy she's dating to know what I thought of him? It was a book by Rennie Davis (remember Millenium) well he is writing a book on the coming Millenium and the change in the human body. In the same letter she asked me who was my spiritual teacher (she's a follower of Mafu). I had to answer that I have become the master. I have saturated the devotee trip with GMJ to its fullest and I consider that that I am free form masters. It would be interesting anyway to get news from the family some of whom where so wild and fun. Love to you all who have become the masters. Kishori Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 17:36:24 (EST)
Poster: Sylvie Aird known as Kishori Email: kishori@interlinx.qc.ca To: And On Anand Ji Subject: Re: Premie Demographic Profile Message: It's interesting that I used to think that the one wonderful thing about DLM was the family of premies. GMJ used this aspect very strongly. However, I have to say that the whole issue of knowledge seemed like a disfunctional family with the abusive father being forgiven by all for his mishaps. However the whole family heals in time, the secrets get out in the open and we move on. This morning I thinking about that: Where have all the premies gone.... I do not have any premie friend anymore, some I still speak on the phone once or twice a year. I was involved with DLM for 15 years and I have met wonderful people, some black, some Indian and some caucasian. So the law of synchronicity being what it was, I got a letter from a patient in Boulder this morning ( I have become a naturopath/kinesiologist and work mainly at distance on the phone) and she wanted me to read the book of a guy she's dating to know what I thought of him? It was a book by Rennie Davis (remember Millenium) well he is writing a book on the coming Millenium and the change in the human body. In the same letter she asked me who was my spiritual teacher (she's a follower of Mafu). I had to answer that I have become the master. I have saturated the devotee trip with GMJ to its fullest and I consider that that I am free form masters. It would be interesting anyway to get news from the family some of whom where so wild and fun. Love to you all who have become the masters. Kishori Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 18:08:40 (EST)
Poster: Renaldo Email: ** To: Sylvie Aird known as Kishori Subject: Davis (Re: Premie Demographic Profile) Message: If you find out the name of the book or if it's been published and by whom, post it here, I will look at it. Maybe you would like to hear a few old rennie davis quotes? Who is Mafu? Besides a regular standard issue human. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 18:30:20 (EST)
Poster: JW Email: To: Scott T. Subject: Re: Premie Demographic Profile Message: Clearly, in the West, as opposed to India, most of the premies were caucasian. There were a few exceptions who were African-American, Asian, etc. but they really were the exceptions, especially in the ashrams. I think your statement about folk dancing/bicycling just adds to what was being said earlier -- That people tend to be more attracted to groups of people that look like them. Again, there are exceptions, but it's harder for people to "join" and feel accepted in groups they perceive as compsed of people different from them. And since the U.S. is still a very segregated society, few people actually grow up in a multi-cultural neighborhood. Take the Washington D.C. community for example. D.C. is a good 80% African American, but the premie community was 95% caucasian. Same thing in Chicago. Chicago is at leat 40-50% African American and yet I only recall 3 black premies in a community of about 500 and one who lived in the ashram, and only briefly. But you also have to realize that the hippie movement, at least in the States, was also primarily a white, middle class phenomenon. Minorities had very low representation. In retrospect, many of the same things that attracted people to being hippies, would attract people to being premies, at least at that time: Peace and love, communal living, and essentially bowing out of the prevailing economic and cultural milieu of 20th century America. Although a lot of the Catholic and Jewish premies I knew came from homes that were not patricularly religious, they nevertheless had a religious heritage that prevailed in most of their families. I was raised a fairly strict Catholic, went to Catholic schools, and had very religious parents. Yet by the time I received knowledge I was not a practicing Catholic, but I think I was open to looking for a religious ideology to replace it nonetheless, because I had been used to having one all my life. Maharaji filled that niche neatly, fulfilling both the religious need, and also fitting in to the counter-culture phenomenon of the time. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 18:32:30 (EST)
Poster: kishori Email: kishori_@hotmail.com To: Renaldo Subject: Re: Davis (Re: Premie Demographic Profile) Message: The great Turning, Evolution at the Crossroads, book one, New Nation Press, PO Box 3288, Boulder, Co, 80307. 303-554-1688. Mafu stands for an ascended master being channelled through someone called Amagi, in Ashland, Oregon Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 19:24:44 (EST)
Poster: Scott T. Email: To: kishori Subject: Mafu (Re: Premie Demographic Profile) Message: The great Turning, Evolution at the Crossroads, book one, New Nation Press, PO Box 3288, Boulder, Co, 80307. 303-554-1688. Mafu stands for an ascended master being channelled through someone called Amagi, in Ashland, Oregon Kishori: Oh god. I used to live in Ashland. Figures. -Scott Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 21:40:03 (EST)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Hi Sylvie Subject: Re: Premie Demographic Profile Message: Hey Sylvie, Remember me? Nice to hear your operating mind. Are you saying that your friend was dating Rennie? Amazing. Amazing that he hasn't changed his name, that is. You should see the 'Lord of the Universe' video. He, like our Lord, was hilarious. Salut, Jim Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Feb 24, 1998 at 23:10:42 (EST)
Poster: Pedantic Philistine Email: djulian@cix.compulink.co.uk To: JW Subject: Re: Premie Demographic Profile Message: Just to be really nit picking and trivial I would like to point out that Indians who come from the Indian sub continent are in fact Caucasian. OK I'll get back into by padded cell now. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 01:22:12 (EST)
Poster: And On Anand Ji Email: aoa To: -------- Subject: Re: Mafu (Re: Premie Demographic Profile) Message: The great Turning, Evolution at the Crossroads, book one, New Nation Press, PO Box 3288, Boulder, Co, 80307. 303-554-1688. Mafu stands for an ascended master being channelled through someone called Amagi, in Ashland, Oregon Kishori: Oh god. I used to live in Ashland. Figures. -Scott You sure that isn't SNAFU? Situation Normal -- All F'ff'd Upt. :) I actually had lunch once with Rennie Davis (remember, he was with the Chicago Five, the more famous one being Abbie Hoffman). It was at a festival. Nothing interesting was said, other than to remark that he was Rennie Davis. That was probably 1977 or 1978. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 01:24:00 (EST)
Poster: AOA Ji Email: aoa To: -------- Subject: Re: Mafu (Re: Premie Demographic Profile) Message: Chicago Seven? I can't remember now. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 03:05:04 (EST)
Poster: JW Email: To: And On Anand Ji Subject: Re: Mafu (Re: Premie Demographic Profile) Message: The great Turning, Evolution at the Crossroads, book one, New Nation Press, PO Box 3288, Boulder, Co, 80307. 303-554-1688. Mafu stands for an ascended master being channelled through someone called Amagi, in Ashland, Oregon Kishori: Oh god. I used to live in Ashland. Figures. -Scott You sure that isn't SNAFU? Situation Normal -- All F'ff'd Upt. :) I actually had lunch once with Rennie Davis (remember, he was with the Chicago Five, the more famous one being Abbie Hoffman). It was at a festival. Nothing interesting was said, other than to remark that he was Rennie Davis. That was probably 1977 or 1978. Sorry it was the Chicago SEVEN, not the Chicago Five. Just a point of clarification. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 13:25:39 (EST)
Poster: Mr Ex Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Premie Pornographic Defile (Re: Premie Demographic Profile) Message: Sorry but I can't help answering this. There is some truth in this. Meditate. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 18:40:53 (EST)
Poster: Student Email: To: Sylvie Aird known as Kishori Subject: Re: Premie Demographic Profile Message: What do you mean you have become the master? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 18:43:59 (EST)
Poster: Student Email: To: Sylvie Aird known as Kishori Subject: Become the Master? (Re: Premie Demographic Profile) Message: It's interesting that I used to think that the one wonderful thing about DLM was the family of premies. GMJ used this aspect very strongly. However, I have to say that the whole issue of knowledge seemed like a disfunctional family with the abusive father being forgiven by all for his mishaps. However the whole family heals in time, the secrets get out in the open and we move on. This morning I thinking about that: Where have all the premies gone.... I do not have any premie friend anymore, some I still speak on the phone once or twice a year. I was involved with DLM for 15 years and I have met wonderful people, some black, some Indian and some caucasian. So the law of synchronicity being what it was, I got a letter from a patient in Boulder this morning ( I have become a naturopath/kinesiologist and work mainly at distance on the phone) and she wanted me to read the book of a guy she's dating to know what I thought of him? It was a book by Rennie Davis (remember Millenium) well he is writing a book on the coming Millenium and the change in the human body. In the same letter she asked me who was my spiritual teacher (she's a follower of Mafu). I had to answer that I have become the master. I have saturated the devotee trip with GMJ to its fullest and I consider that that I am free form masters. It would be interesting anyway to get news from the family some of whom where so wild and fun. Love to you all who have become the masters. Kishori What do you mean you have become the master? I apologize for a double-post. I was concerned that you wouldn't see this. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 22:12:42 (EST)
Poster: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Student Subject: Re: Become the Master? (Re: Premie Demographic Profile) Message: What do you mean you have become the master? It's fascinating that premies who praise Maharaji for giving them Freedom are so incapable of recognizing it when it speaks through different lips. Video watching has certainly taken it's toll. There is no goal. Only re-runs. And the next release priced at a mere 20 bucks. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |