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then move on into the world and find something else. Otherwise, you are just stuck in the past. I received His Knowledge in 1982 and I plan on enjoying it and his company for as long as I possibly can. Hope I see some of you at future events!

Most people seem to post here because they feel that following Maharaji is not harmless, and wish to alert others to the potential harm. I too planned to stick with Maharaji until death, but after 26 years, I found myself unable to continue. Maharaji says, 'Put your trust in that which is worthy of your trust.' I no longer feel Maharaji is worthy of my trust.

-Still
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Date: Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 14:17:34 (EST)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Mike Fronke
Subject: Re: Maharaji & his Knowledge
Message:
Mike, I'm particularly pissed off because I spent the better part of eight years as a monk in Maharaji's ashram. I did that because he tricked me into thinking he was the Lord of the Universe, that this was the singularly momentous turning point in history when all mankind would realize that he was here. And why was he here? To save the world from illusion and destruction. Not a moment to lose, give all you've got and then some more. Dedicate, dedicate, trust 100 per cent, leave no room for doubt in your mind. Of course, that was all bullshit. Maharaji should have to answer for that. You got involved as all that ridiculous shit was coming to an end. It's not your story. Instead, you've just accepted this little religious ritual and enjoy it. Fair enough. But you've got no business telling others to 'move on.' What you should be doing, seeing as you care about him so, is asking Maharaji to settle old accounts and save his... sorry, I'm trying to keep from laughing as I type this... save his good name.
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Date: Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 14:31:20 (EST)
Poster: Mike Fronke
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Maharaji & his Knowledge
Message:
Jim: I could care less about saving the world. When I walked into my Knowledge session, it was not to become part of a group thing. I wanted to be saved from myself. I wanted to FEEL salvation. I did and I continue to feel it WHEN I allow myself to. I'm sorry that you remain pissed off but did you ever feel peace and clarity during those 8 years just through practicing Knowledge? The outward show will always be just that--outward. To me, it's the bare-boned inner show that truly reveals that which I need to connect with. I hope you feel better soon. --Mike Fronke
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Date: Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 14:42:36 (EST)
Poster: Mike Fronke
Email:
To: StillCrazy
Subject: Re: Maharaji & his Knowledge
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StillCrazy: Why should you trust anyone but yourself? I trust Maharaji because he showed me a way to find something wonderful within me. I only trust what he says when it resonates with what feels true in me. Most of the time, therefore, I trust him because it feels true to my heart. When he says something that doesn't ring true to me, I question it. I have no idea whether he is 'Lord of the Universe', and frankly I don't care! All I know is that he is my most precious resource to understanding this life. Since what he revealed to me is trustable, and I trust myself to discriminate between reality and BS, I trust him. You should trust you too! --Mike Fronke
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Date: Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 14:50:04 (EST)
Poster: Scott T.
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To: Mike Fronke
Subject: Re: Maharaji & his Knowledge
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Mike: Some of us don't take things for granted. There, you have it. -Scott Scott: I don't take ANYTHING for granted. The bare truth is that His Knowledge works! If it doesn't work for you, then move on to something else. Why dwell on the past and try to confuse others with your doubts? --Mike Fronke Mike: The truth is, we have moved on. We came back to this because it's incumplete, and because some of us feel GMJ is illegitimate. It's an obligation. So, which part of this dialog bothers you: that it is 'fruitless' or that it 'causes confusion?'
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Date: Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 21:01:20 (EST)
Poster: VP
Email:
To: Mike Fronke
Subject: Re: Maharaji & his Knowledge
Message:
StillCrazy: Why should you trust anyone but yourself? I trust Maharaji because he showed me a way to find something wonderful within me. I only trust what he says when it resonates with what feels true in me. Most of the time, therefore, I trust him because it feels true to my heart. When he says something that doesn't ring true to me, I question it. I have no idea whether he is 'Lord of the Universe', and frankly I don't care! All I know is that he is my most precious resource to understanding this life. Since what he revealed to me is trustable, and I trust myself to discriminate between reality and BS, I trust him. You should trust you too! --Mike Fronke Mike, This web site revealed knowledge to me, but I'm not going to say that it is my 'most precious resource to understanding this life.' If you think we are confusing others, just read 'Who is Guru Maharaji'...if you can find it. Be careful who you trust...you could end up dead.
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Date: Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 22:58:03 (EST)
Poster: Steve A
Email:
To: Mike Fronke
Subject: Re: Maharaji & his Knowledge
Message:
Dear Mike Any Tom, Dick or Harry could have given you those meditation techniques, it doesn't mean that such a person is a 'perfect master' or that you owe him your life, money, soul or anything else. There are many yogic and meditation techniques that give the same result and unlike GMJ there are no strings attached.
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Date: Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 23:34:21 (EST)
Poster: CD
Email:
To: Steve A
Subject: Re: Maharaji & his Knowledge
Message:
Some people got a bit more from their association with M. Some even liked the Grateful Dead though I am sure you could find a cheaper substitute band. I can see that you relish a good bargain. But the generic brands just don't have that extra pizazz. CD
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Date: Thurs, Feb 19, 1998 at 00:14:36 (EST)
Poster: Steve A
Email:
To: CD
Subject: Re: Maharaji & his Knowledge
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I guess the question is just how much you are willing to pay, you know the best things in life are free. If M had delivered what he promised he would, then I would still be hooked and singing Arti and this site would not exist.
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Date: Thurs, Feb 19, 1998 at 06:20:55 (EST)
Poster: Anon
Email:
To: Mike Fronke
Subject: Re: Maharaji & his Knowledge
Message:
StillCrazy: Why should you trust anyone but yourself? I trust Maharaji because he showed me a way to find something wonderful within me. I only trust what he says when it resonates with what feels true in me. Most of the time, therefore, I trust him because it feels true to my heart. When he says something that doesn't ring true to me, I question it. I have no idea whether he is 'Lord of the Universe', and frankly I don't care! All I know is that he is my most precious resource to understanding this life. Since what he revealed to me is trustable, and I trust myself to discriminate between reality and BS, I trust him. You should trust you too! --Mike Fronke All I know is that he is my most precious resource to understanding this life. I presume you mean: 'All I believe is that he is my most precious resource to understanding this life.' Really, what do you and I know for sure? I am a bit tired of hearing premies who probably have no more understanding of Maharaji's relevance than I, speaking zealously as if they know the ultimate. I have had and practised Knowledge for 24 years and I don't think I have missed anything but I am now highly suspicious that the mechanisms involved are not so 'graceful' as I once believed. Yes, I trusted Maharaji for years too. Now I simply doubt that he plays as important a role as he and premies keeps suggesting. That is after, and as a result of my many years experience. It is very condescending (and typical) of uptight premies, like you, to tell those who are sincerely disenchanted and want to talk, to go get a life and shut up. (which is what we keep hearing here from the likes of you) You should trust you too! You would seem to be self-righteous to assume that others don't trust themselves etc. and that is why they have doubts about Maharaji. Why?
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Date: Thurs, Feb 19, 1998 at 06:22:53 (EST)
Poster: Sorry I meant:
Email:
To: Mike Fronke
Subject: Re: Maharaji & his Knowledge
Message:
StillCrazy: Why should you trust anyone but yourself? I trust Maharaji because he showed me a way to find something wonderful within me. I only trust what he says when it resonates with what feels true in me. Most of the time, therefore, I trust him because it feels true to my heart. When he says something that doesn't ring true to me, I question it. I have no idea whether he is 'Lord of the Universe', and frankly I don't care! All I know is that he is my most precious resource to understanding this life. Since what he revealed to me is trustable, and I trust myself to discriminate between reality and BS, I trust him. You should trust you too! --Mike Fronke All I know is that he is my most precious resource to understanding this life. I presume you mean: 'All I believe is that he is my most precious resource to understanding this life.' Really, what do you and I know for sure? I am a bit tired of hearing premies who probably have no more understanding of Maharaji's relevance than I, speaking zealously as if they know the ultimate. I have had and practised Knowledge for 24 years and I don't think I have missed anything but I am now highly suspicious that the mechanisms involved are not so 'graceful' as I once believed. Yes, I trusted Maharaji for years too. Now I simply doubt that he plays as important a role as he and premies keeps suggesting. That is after, and as a result of my many years experience. It is very condescending (and typical) of uptight premies, like you, to tell those who are sincerely disenchanted and want to talk, to go get a life and shut up. (which is what we keep hearing here from the likes of you) You should trust you too! You would seem to be self-righteous to assume that others don't trust themselves etc. and that is why they have doubts about Maharaji. Why?
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Date: Thurs, Feb 19, 1998 at 13:04:57 (EST)
Poster: StillCrazy
Email: Not Provided
To: Mike Fronke
Subject: Re: Maharaji & his Knowledge
Message:
StillCrazy: Why should you trust anyone but yourself?

Are you serious here? What does 'The Triangle' mean to you?

I trust Maharaji because he showed me a way to find something wonderful within me.

How does this make him trustworthy?

I only trust what he says when it resonates with what feels true in me.

Maharaji is very good at telling me what I most would like to hear.

Most of the time, therefore, I trust him because it feels true to my heart. When he says something that doesn't ring true to me, I question it.

What about the times when he's not telling the truth, but you don't question it?

I have no idea whether he is 'Lord of the Universe', and frankly I don't care

Nor do I.

All I know is that he is my most precious resource to understanding this life. Since what he revealed to me is trustable, and I trust myself to discriminate between reality and BS, I trust him. You should trust you too! --Mike Fronke

You say you can tell the difference between truth and BS. Yet Maharaji's definition of 'illusion' is 'that which appears to be truth but in fact is not.' If it appears to be truth, what mechanism do you have to recognize it as illusion?

You say you trust Maharaji, yet exhort me to trust no one but myself. Mike, it is because of trusting myself that I have broken with Maharaji.

Here's the problem as I see it. In order to learn something new, it is necessary to trust the teacher. I am in no position to evaluate whether the new thing he is exposing me to is true or not. I may be able to find out later, by cross-checking, but when I'm learning it, I'm forced to trust that what the teacher is teaching me is true.

The basis for my trust is that the teacher has my best interests at heart. Maharaji has demonstrated many times in the past that he doesn't give a shit about me or what my interest are, best or otherwise. I have been in love with a character he created on stage, not with who Maharaji really is. Why should I trust (or worse yet, surrender to) a fictional character largely of my own making?

-Still

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