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From: Mar 14, 1998 |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 23:59:54 (EST)
Poster: gumby Email: megumby@hotmail.com To: Everyone Subject: alt.cult.maharaji Message: Hi there, Question. What is going on with newsgroup alt.cult.maharaji? It seems to be alive, just not much activity. To the best of my knowledge, you can't just shut down a newsgroup. There are many, many newsgroups much more controversial than yours. I thought it was because most people didn't have access to a news feed, via their internet service provider? GAGBWY -gumby Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 14:05:54 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: gumby Subject: Re: alt.cult.maharaji Message: Hi Gumby - Yes, alt.cult.maharaji is still active. Almost everyone prefers to use the forum though (it's faster and more interactive, so the newsgroup tends to get few posts). At one point after most of us had switched to the forum, Mili wrote an e-mail to Deja News (I think) asking them to remove the alt.cult.maharaji forum on grounds that it was infringing his and others freedom of religion. He "signed" this e-mail with a long list of e-mail addresses that was apparently taken from posters to the forumer premie site guestbook. I had placed one message on the former premie guestbook so he used my e-mail address without permission. I'm assuming that he didn't get permission from most of the other people whose e-mail addresses he listed. Anyway, Mili got a pretty curt reply from a woman who apparently handles these sorts of requests. She said that scientologists has tried the same sort of tactics in order to shut down the anti-scientology newsgroup, and it had backfired big time. It sort of backfired on Mili too - a lot of the ex-premies got very angry at him. I'm not sure how Maharaji (or "People around Maharaji") felt about the whole episode. I was angry at Mili at the time, but I'm not any more, although maybe I should be. I do wish he would explain why he tried to shut down alt.cult.maharaji and then continues posting on here. But I don't think he's going to do that, judging from his reponses below. Hope that answers your question. By the way, I should mention that alt.cult.maharaji AND the forum are open to anyone who wants to post on them, regardless of their beliefs (or race, sex, creed, color, or national origin...) Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 16:44:39 (EST)
Poster: Scott T. Email: To: Katie Subject: Re: alt.cult.maharaji Message: Katie et al: I noteced that there is a fellow calling himself "Guru Siti" who's lurking there trying to drum up business for himself. Guess he figures that because we're finished with Guru Maharaj Ji we might be looking for a new one. -Scott Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 16:53:18 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Scott T. Subject: Re: alt.cult.maharaji Message: Hi Scott - I was on the newsgroup earlier posting my public service announcement, and read those posts. Pretty funny! I did think it was interesting that "Siti" knew as much as he/she did about Maharaji and the knowledge - sort of made me wonder who this person was. Katie Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 19:30:00 (EST)
Poster: Anon Email: To: Katie Subject: Re: alt.cult.maharaji Message: I was angry at Mili at the time, but I'm not any more, although maybe I should be. I do wish he would explain why he tried to shut down alt.cult.maharaji and then continues posting on here. But I don't think he's going to do that, judging from his reponses below. Katie, OO Gosh, OO dear, do you think he might not explain his undoubtably good reasons? I too long for him to tell the group the truth and I too, have forgiven him.(Bless...) Do him a favour, he wants to get up your nose! You should gather your skirts up, shake your fist and roar: "Fuck You, Mili, you stupid interfering Syldavian faggot" then he will love you forever. (no offence meant JW) Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 19:36:53 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Anon Subject: Re: alt.cult.maharaji Message: Dear Anon - You made a point of saying "no offense, JW" so I'm assuming you meant your post to be offensive to me (e.g. "gather your skirts up?" Give me a break!) You're on my case for being too nice to Mili and op is on my case for being too mean to him. I need a vacation. See ya around. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 19:44:36 (EST)
Poster: Anon Email: To: Katie Subject: Re: alt.cult.maharaji Message: Dear Anon - You made a point of saying 'no offense, JW' so I'm assuming you meant your post to be offensive to me (e.g. 'gather your skirts up?' Give me a break!) You're on my case for being too nice to Mili and op is on my case for being too mean to him. I need a vacation. See ya around. Of course it wasn't supposed to be personally offensive to you at all. Sorry you took it that way. British humour looses something in it's flight across the Atlantic. Anyway I thought it was a rather nice picture of this normally even-tempered lady, gathering up her skirts and shaking her fists,finally exasperrated at the recalcitrant Mili. Oh never mind. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 19:51:10 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@Mail.trib.net To: Anon Subject: Re: alt.cult.maharaji Message: Dear Anon - apologies for being so humorless, but after answering the message from op, my temper was a little frayed. (I am NOT an even-tempered person in real life). If no offense was meant, then no offense will be taken. (I hope YOU won't take offense either.) Regards from Katie Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 20:31:20 (EST)
Poster: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Katie Subject: Re: alt.cult.maharaji Message: No offense will be taken?!!! Sheeesh, Katie. You could at least have gathered up your skirts and shaken your fist at him... whatever happened to womanhood? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 21:04:15 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: alt.cult.maharaji Message: No offense will be taken?!!! Sheeesh, Katie. You could at least have gathered up your skirts and shaken your fist at him... whatever happened to womanhood? Sheeesh Brian, I don't know...maybe you should ask someone womanly? BTW I just remembered about Syldavia. It was in a Tintin book (King Ottokar's Scepter) that I had when I was a kid. Mili wasn't in the book, though. If I had picked up on that maybe I wouldn't have flown off the handle... Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 23:27:13 (EST)
Poster: VP Email: To: Anon Subject: Re: alt.cult.maharaji Message: Anon,Coming from your side of the ocean, I was hoping you were referring to a cigarette!VP Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 01:02:02 (EST)
Poster: JW Email: To: VP Subject: Re: alt.cult.maharaji Message: Thank you VP, I was hoping the same thing. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 01:04:59 (EST)
Poster: JW Email: joger02@aol.com To: Anon Subject: Re: alt.cult.maharaji Message: Do him a favour, he wants to get up your nose! You should gather your skirts up, shake your fist and roar: 'Fuck You, Mili, you stupid interfering Syldavian faggot' then he will love you forever. (no offence meant JW) No offense taken, Patrick, although it still is offensive. Are you also intending not to offend the other 10% of the population? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 06:26:23 (EST)
Poster: Anon Email: To: JW Subject: Re: alt.cult.maharaji Message: Are you also intending not to offend the other 10% of the population? Ok please insert apology No 3: No offence meant to the entire global gay population and/or any bundles of sticks, cigarettes or anything else going by the name of 'faggot' Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 20:00:19 (EST)
Poster: larkin Email: larkin@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: Everyone Subject: with apologies to His Bobness... Message: well I ain't gonna work on Maraji's farm no more said I ain't gonna work on Maraji's farm no more 'cos I wake up in the morning, try to remember Holy Name I've a head full of ideas that are driving me insane it's a shame I have to scrub the ashram floor... I ain't gonna work on Maraji's farm no more No I ain't gonna work on Maraji's farm no more 'cos I wake up in the morning, sing Arti and do pranam they tell me this is heaven, but I'm sure it's doin' me harm I can't believe it's what I'm livin' for... I ain't gonna work on Maraji's farm no more No I ain't gonna work on Maraji's farm no more well he'll take your last nickel, then he'll take your last dime then he'll tell you it's your own fault your not havin' a good time I swear I just can't take this any more... I ain't gonna work on Maraji's farm no more No I ain't gonna work on Maraji's farm no more 'cos he talks to all the premies about man and God and law but he never pays no taxes, while he keeps a stash offshore I can't believe it's what I'm livin' for... I ain't gonna work on Maraji's farm no more No I ain't gonna work on Maraji's farm no more Well I try my best to be just like I am But there's twenty thousand premies, and and I've wound up just like them They all sing to the Lord, but I just get bored said I ain't gonna work on Maraji's farm no more... Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 23:10:13 (EST)
Poster: gumby Email: To: larkin Subject: Re: with apologies to His Bobness... Message: Hi larkin, I hope you are saving these little gems that you are creating. I can just envision, a special edition sing-along book with your masterpieces, devoted to m. GAGBWY -gumby Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 16:58:41 (EST)
Poster: Joy Email: Bluebirdd@aol.com To: larkin Subject: Re: with apologies to His Bobness... Message: Another masterpiece, o Lark in the Morning. Actually, I think Bob has heard a lot about Maharaji; when I used to live in the ashram in Malibu (back in 1979) there were a couple of girls who lived there who used to nanny for him, as his house was just down the street, and one, Monica Isaak from South America, he was apparently quite fond of. I remember her telling me she gave him a tape of M to listen to, and he told someone he was going to listen to it just because Monica gave it to him. But obviously, since he became some sort of Christian, he had sense enough not to listen too hard. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 19:09:27 (EST)
Poster: Nigel Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: Joy Subject: Re: with apologies to His Bobness... Message: I heard that story too, Joy. It's funny how as premies there were always these rumours about x, y, or z hearing satsang and maybe getting interested. It was almost as if we needed to have our beliefs validated by those we had most admired back in the real world. Fortunately El Zim had already done 'Blonde on Blonde' and 'Blood on the Tracks' by then, so the world's loss wouldn't have been SO great, but I shudder to think of him devoting an album of tunes to M. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 16:36:50 (EST)
Poster: for Email: To: Everyone Subject: Student Message: Hello student, I reread some of your posts and thought maybe you would like to field a few questions. How do feel he would respond today on the subject of getting so furious at either Marolyn, or staff at the 96 december event? Yes he said he becomes stupid when he gets that way when he responds like that to some action of another. This is not the first time and this has been a long running problem for him and it defeats a premie to see him like that. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 16:48:45 (EST)
Poster: Mili Email: mili@cheerful.com To: for Subject: Re: Student Message: Hey, big boy, why don't you leave Student alone and pick on someone of your own size? I think that you are just trying to impose your queer daily mental ejaculations on unsuspecting victims for whom you are sure they won't harrass you back. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 23:59:34 (EST)
Poster: cool cat Email: <*:*> To: Mili Subject: mili (Re: Student) Message: what makes you think student is not formidable? read some of the posts from a while back. student thinks more a lot more like maharji than you do. thats why I want students opinion. actually I dont see you thinking like maharji, you think like you. why don't you try and answer my question. I prefer students response but I will read yours certainly. anger comes in waves sometimes, last night it receded. you are back with previous posts. you hopeless zealot you. student is not an unsuspecting victim. and why do you think 'for whom you are sure they wont harass you back.' Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 17:47:47 (EST)
Poster: Student Email: To: for Subject: Re: Student Message: Surfing time is limited for me... Fury...I can't speak for Maharaji. Fury without consciousness in anyone is dangerous, even lethal. Fury without love is hatred in action. My own fury is a tool IF I am conscious at the time. That is, not far from the experience of Knowledge, clear. I have chosen times when I have released it. Of course there have been other times when I'm spiritually blind as a bat and only cause damage and regret. I don't understand why it would defeat a premie to see Maharaji furious. When Maharaji is clear, and I would never venture to guess when Maharaji is not clear, I trust that there is a purpose for his fury. The innocent who are sincere, devoted, and exercise their intelligence in service to Maharaji do not suffer from his fury. If Maharaji crushes ego with his fury, then so be it. It's a painful process, losing ego. It's a precise art, sparing the spirit while crushing the ego. Can the premie differentiate from the spirit and the ego when all they feel is pain? When Utopia is the objective, and no compromises are being made by the master, then there must be no compromises made by the devotees. When compromises are made in the propagation of Knowledge, they must be eliminated by those who value Knowledge. Eliminated, assimilated...whatever :) Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 17:48:02 (EST)
Poster: Student Email: To: for Subject: Re: Student Message: Surfing time is limited for me... Fury...I can't speak for Maharaji. Fury without consciousness in anyone is dangerous, even lethal. Fury without love is hatred in action. My own fury is a tool IF I am conscious at the time. That is, not far from the experience of Knowledge, clear. I have chosen times when I have released it. Of course there have been other times when I'm spiritually blind as a bat and only cause damage and regret. I don't understand why it would defeat a premie to see Maharaji furious. When Maharaji is clear, and I would never venture to guess when Maharaji is not clear, I trust that there is a purpose for his fury. The innocent who are sincere, devoted, and exercise their intelligence in service to Maharaji do not suffer from his fury. If Maharaji crushes ego with his fury, then so be it. It's a painful process, losing ego. It's a precise art, sparing the spirit while crushing the ego. Can the premie differentiate from the spirit and the ego when all they feel is pain? When Utopia is the objective, and no compromises are being made by the master, then there must be no compromises made by the devotees. When compromises are made in the propagation of Knowledge, they must be eliminated by those who value Knowledge. Eliminated, assimilated...whatever :) Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 17:48:06 (EST)
Poster: Student Email: To: for Subject: Re: Student Message: Surfing time is limited for me... Fury...I can't speak for Maharaji. Fury without consciousness in anyone is dangerous, even lethal. Fury without love is hatred in action. My own fury is a tool IF I am conscious at the time. That is, not far from the experience of Knowledge, clear. I have chosen times when I have released it. Of course there have been other times when I'm spiritually blind as a bat and only cause damage and regret. I don't understand why it would defeat a premie to see Maharaji furious. When Maharaji is clear, and I would never venture to guess when Maharaji is not clear, I trust that there is a purpose for his fury. The innocent who are sincere, devoted, and exercise their intelligence in service to Maharaji do not suffer from his fury. If Maharaji crushes ego with his fury, then so be it. It's a painful process, losing ego. It's a precise art, sparing the spirit while crushing the ego. Can the premie differentiate from the spirit and the ego when all they feel is pain? When Utopia is the objective, and no compromises are being made by the master, then there must be no compromises made by the devotees. When compromises are made in the propagation of Knowledge, they must be eliminated by those who value Knowledge. Eliminated, assimilated...whatever :) Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 17:48:10 (EST)
Poster: Student Email: To: for Subject: Re: Student Message: Surfing time is limited for me... Fury...I can't speak for Maharaji. Fury without consciousness in anyone is dangerous, even lethal. Fury without love is hatred in action. My own fury is a tool IF I am conscious at the time. That is, not far from the experience of Knowledge, clear. I have chosen times when I have released it. Of course there have been other times when I'm spiritually blind as a bat and only cause damage and regret. I don't understand why it would defeat a premie to see Maharaji furious. When Maharaji is clear, and I would never venture to guess when Maharaji is not clear, I trust that there is a purpose for his fury. The innocent who are sincere, devoted, and exercise their intelligence in service to Maharaji do not suffer from his fury. If Maharaji crushes ego with his fury, then so be it. It's a painful process, losing ego. It's a precise art, sparing the spirit while crushing the ego. Can the premie differentiate from the spirit and the ego when all they feel is pain? When Utopia is the objective, and no compromises are being made by the master, then there must be no compromises made by the devotees. When compromises are made in the propagation of Knowledge, they must be eliminated by those who value Knowledge. Eliminated, assimilated...whatever :) Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 17:48:22 (EST)
Poster: Student Email: To: for Subject: Re: Student Message: Surfing time is limited for me... Fury...I can't speak for Maharaji. Fury without consciousness in anyone is dangerous, even lethal. Fury without love is hatred in action. My own fury is a tool IF I am conscious at the time. That is, not far from the experience of Knowledge, clear. I have chosen times when I have released it. Of course there have been other times when I'm spiritually blind as a bat and only cause damage and regret. I don't understand why it would defeat a premie to see Maharaji furious. When Maharaji is clear, and I would never venture to guess when Maharaji is not clear, I trust that there is a purpose for his fury. The innocent who are sincere, devoted, and exercise their intelligence in service to Maharaji do not suffer from his fury. If Maharaji crushes ego with his fury, then so be it. It's a painful process, losing ego. It's a precise art, sparing the spirit while crushing the ego. Can the premie differentiate from the spirit and the ego when all they feel is pain? When Utopia is the objective, and no compromises are being made by the master, then there must be no compromises made by the devotees. When compromises are made in the propagation of Knowledge, they must be eliminated by those who value Knowledge. Eliminated, assimilated...whatever :) Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Mar 17, 1998 at 16:16:26 (EST)
Poster: From Email: To: Everyone Subject: Student Message: I tried to respond to a post addressed to me yesterday afternoon, but the server (I guess) wouldn't let me. Adjustments being made, please stand by...for over an hour. My lengthy answer in considerably shorter now. The question related to fury from Maharaji. I can only speak about fury in general, from my perspective. When a person is conscious, that is experiencing Knowledge and nurturing the heart of a child, then fury can be an effective tool in teaching others or balancing yourself. When a person is not conscious and is nowhere near the experience of Knowledge, fury can be dangerous, even lethal. Fury is hatred in motion. In the former situation, fury can be used carefully to eliminate ego but preserve the spirit. In the latter situation, fury can crush everything, including spirit. It is painful to have either crushed, ego or spirit. I wonder how many of us can tell the difference through the pain. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Mar 17, 1998 at 20:38:09 (EST)
Poster: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: From Subject: Re: Student Message: The question related to fury from Maharaji. I can only speak about fury in general, from my perspective. When a person is conscious, that is experiencing Knowledge and nurturing the heart of a child, then fury can be an effective tool in teaching others or balancing yourself. I'm always in total awe of premies who speak for Maharaji. I always was. I got roped into the whole devotion trip because of that awe. Do teach us, Student. Our own first-hand experience is so limited. I can only hope that Maharaji reads this forum and is able to derive some understanding of his fury from you. But I have to say that if he actually does have the heart of a child, as you say, it would have to be in a jar on his desk. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Mar 18, 1998 at 08:45:08 (EST)
Poster: student Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Student Message: I was responding to a question directed to me. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Mar 18, 1998 at 19:57:50 (EST)
Poster: for Email: To: Everyone Subject: Student Message: Hello Student, Thanks for responding to the question. You spoke 'in general, from my perspective' but you answered the question in particular I think. It's too bad your more lengthy response didn't make it through. Maybe you will remember some of it. Your post was interesting. I would guess that using anger carefully is quite a challenging skill to master. I was wondering if you would elaborate a little on the issue of using it in a way that it helps balance yourself. The choice of the word furious might have been origionally mine, and you referred to it as fury. I think you were right that I was asking about that level of anger. Beyond displeasure and mild anger. I was thinking about your post today, I was working on an alter for some nuns at a monastary. These ladies are pursueing a god related effort and they sort of cowtow -or look up to a certain priest that they call master father. I was wondering if there was a situation I could imagine where I would be ok with the master father blasting one of these nuns for thier own good. It was something I have not quite thought of all the sinerios(sp) yet, but I haven't come up with one as yet. thanks for answering and maybe you would elaborate on the balanceing issue. got to go. I have another question for next time. bill Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Mar 19, 1998 at 03:30:17 (EST)
Poster: Petrou Email: To: for Subject: Re: Student Message: All anger is bad. The correct moral teaching is that when all else fails and you are up against really nasty people you can calmly rebuke. If you have to slug em do it in love!! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Mar 19, 1998 at 11:04:53 (EST)
Poster: And On Anand Ji Email: aoa To: emery webriddle Subject: Re: Student Message: [--- snip ---] I have not quite thought of all the sinerios(sp) yet, but I haven't come up with one as yet. [--- snip ---] scenario -- like a scene. making the scene A scenario is just as you'd use it -- a storyline; a possible outcome of a given circumstance. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Mar 19, 1998 at 17:28:19 (EST)
Poster: Student Email: To: Bill Subject: Re: Student Message: Hello Student, Thanks for responding to the question. You spoke 'in general, from my perspective' but you answered the question in particular I think. It's too bad your more lengthy response didn't make it through. Maybe you will remember some of it. Your post was interesting. I would guess that using anger carefully is quite a challenging skill to master. I was wondering if you would elaborate a little on the issue of using it in a way that it helps balance yourself. The choice of the word furious might have been origionally mine, and you referred to it as fury. I think you were right that I was asking about that level of anger. Beyond displeasure and mild anger. I was thinking about your post today, I was working on an alter for some nuns at a monastary. These ladies are pursueing a god related effort and they sort of cowtow -or look up to a certain priest that they call master father. I was wondering if there was a situation I could imagine where I would be ok with the master father blasting one of these nuns for thier own good. It was something I have not quite thought of all the sinerios(sp) yet, but I haven't come up with one as yet. thanks for answering and maybe you would elaborate on the balanceing issue. got to go. I have another question for next time. bill Balance... Releasing pent-up resentments/frustrations has helped me at times. I have followed such an outburst with apologies accompanied by explanations: "I need you to understand why I felt that way,etc..." Nurturing anger or fury inside would be damaging to anyone. People have questioned the notion of "good fury." Obviously doing harm to living or even inanimate objects is not positive. I always feel in retrospect like I should not have allowed my outburst to happen. However, I believe sometimes a person around me needed to see what kind of effect their actions were having on me. Fury can address inconsideration, stupidity, laziness... It is always damaging IMHO unless followed by love, forgiveness, and growth or change in a positive direction. I said "from my perspective" because I cannot speak for Maharaji's or anyone else's fury. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 21, 1998 at 00:27:29 (EST)
Poster: For Email: *.* To: Student Subject: Student (Re: Student) Message: Hello Student, Thanks for responding. I was going to respond by posting a new thread but then I thought maybe I should post here below all the 'fury' up top. Well, this morning on the way to the monastary to the Alter job, I thought I would try to talk to that 'father master' the nun's have as a monastary priest. I went looking for him and he invited me to sit down and talk. I said I was talking to you and what did he think about anger. My luck, it turns out he gives seminars on the very subject. He gave me a nutshell version, and since you said you like to sharpen your intellect, this could be an onion that interests you. But I sort of feel that there are a few ways to approach this subject and to decide approach, I was wondering if you would first consider shareing you viewpoint on the subject of, well, in common terms, god. I hope you are not shy to discuss this. Your right that anger can be lethal. Two men jumped from an airplane. The first one pulls the cord- and the shute works perfectly. The second man pulls the cord- and nothing happens. He keeps falling straight down, As he passes his friend, the guy gets mad, unbuckles the harness, and shouts, 'So, you want to race, eh?' Someone asked Clinton, 'What about Rawanda?' He said, 'I never touched her!' bill Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 21, 1998 at 00:27:56 (EST)
Poster: For Email: *.* To: Student Subject: Student (Re: Student) Message: Hello Student, Thanks for responding. I was going to respond by posting a new thread but then I thought maybe I should post here below all the 'fury' up top. Well, this morning on the way to the monastary to the Alter job, I thought I would try to talk to that 'father master' the nun's have as a monastary priest. I went looking for him and he invited me to sit down and talk. I said I was talking to you and what did he think about anger. My luck, it turns out he gives seminars on the very subject. He gave me a nutshell version, and since you said you like to sharpen your intellect, this could be an onion that interests you. But I sort of feel that there are a few ways to approach this subject and to decide approach, I was wondering if you would first consider shareing you viewpoint on the subject of, well, in common terms, god. I hope you are not shy to discuss this. Your right that anger can be lethal. Two men jumped from an airplane. The first one pulls the cord- and the shute works perfectly. The second man pulls the cord- and nothing happens. He keeps falling straight down, As he passes his friend, the guy gets mad, unbuckles the harness, and shouts, 'So, you want to race, eh?' Someone asked Clinton, 'What about Rawanda?' He said, 'I never touched her!' bill Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 15:30:25 (EST)
Poster: Rick Email: rtaraday@hotmail.com To: Everyone Subject: Katie's Post to Mili and Response Message: I'm thinking that alot of people didn't get to see much of this thread, as it got archived soon after posting. So I thought I'd bring it up to the top: Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Mili/All Subject: Dear Mili, We are not Nazis! Message: Dear Mili - I am trying hard to understand what you said to Rick in one of the threads below about your reasons for trying to shut down the newsgroup (alt. cult.maharaji.) Are you saying that you tried to shut it because of the name? You should probably know that that's not the name that Scott Perry orginally proposed or wanted, but that's the one he ended up with. I agree that there is no line between premies and ex-premies. However, as I've said before, I don't like or respect Maharaji. I DO have a problem with his behavior. I don't have a problem with yours - most of the time. I didn't like it when you made the effort to shut down the newsgroup, but I forgave you because I thought I understood why you did it. However, some of the people on here, like Rick (I think - I don't want to speak for him), are still angry about that. It really seemed like an attempt to subvert freedom of speech. I hope this doesn't make you angry, but your attempt to silence the ex-premies really seemed more like something that would happen in a repressive society. Sometimes I feel like YOU have drawn a circle and put all of us ex-premies in it. And as you said, we're not in there. We're NOT Nazis (some of us are even Jewish!) - we're just people like you, but we are people who have had different experiences than you and would like to be able to speak about it openly. Mili, as you know, I like you even though you tried to shut down the newsgroup. But I do think it might be worthwhile, in the interests of brotherhood at least, to admit that you might have made a mistake. Regards from Katie Back To Index -:- Top of Index Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 03:35:28 (EST) Poster: Mili Email: mili@cheerful.com To: Katie Subject: Re: Dear Mili, We are not Nazis! Message: Katie, What's this thing about 'shutting down' your newsgroup? I just sent a simple, democratic E-mail to Deja News protesting about what I feel is a newsgroup with a pejorative title that stigmatizes people for their beliefs and practices and attempts to ostracize them from the rest of society. It was up to Deja News to decide what to do about it - I didn't force anyone's hand. Of course you are not Nazis. But I think you should be more conscientious of slapping this 'cult' thing around on people. Back To Index -:- Top of Index Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 03:42:59 (EST) Poster: Mr Ex Email: To: Katie Subject: Attaccking is a desperate defense (Re: Dear Mili, We are not Nazis!) Message: Why don't you just see that kind of attack as a simple defense? A lot of what is exposed here is way too challenging for any trustful believer. If anybody wants to stand this (for his own reason he doesn't tell), he has to react one way or another from time to time. There are (basically) 2/3 type of premies posting here: 1/ those trying to bring exes back to some reason, for various motives of their own 2/ those trying to protect Mr Rawat and his organizations in some illogical way 3/ those having hard time with m&k and trying to understand what's going on One way of looking at things of course. Back To Index -:- Top of Index Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 03:49:12 (EST) Poster: Mr Ex (sorry/previous post) Email: To: Mr Ex Subject: Attacking is a desperate defense (Re: Dear Mili, We are not Nazis!) Message: Why don't you just see that kind of attack as a simple defense? A lot of what is exposed here is way too challenging for any trustful believer. If anybody wants to stand this (for his own reason he doesn't tell), he has to react one way or another from time to time. There are (basically) 2/3 type of premies posting here: 1/ those trying to bring exes back to some sense, for various motives of their own 2/ those trying to protect Mr Rawat and his organizations in some illogical way 3/ those having hard time with m&k and trying to understand what's going on One way of looking at things of course. Back To Index -:- Top of Index Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 05:15:35 (EST) Poster: Mili Email: mili@cheerful.com To: Mr Ex Subject: Re: Attaccking is a desperate defense (Re: Dear Mili, We are not Nazis!) Message: Mr Ex, Let's get this straight - no one is attcking anyone here. We are just perusing 'freedom of speech' to state our opinions. But wouldn't you agree that 'freedom of speech' on the Internet is also frequently being abused in order to disseminate slander and untruth? By the way, I owe you one for calling me an 'idiot' a while back - I think you are just a sad, sorry piece of garbage with a wimp dick. Back To Index -:- Top of Index Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 05:43:57 (EST) Poster: Mr Ex Email: To: Mili Subject: Re: Attaccking is a desperate defense (Re: Dear Mili, We are not Nazis!) Message: You obviously use English words, but you don't use the usual language conventions. Your language has been altered by Mr Rawat's pseudo-philosophy, like mine has been, and I perfectly understand your (and my ex-) problem. That's why I think there is no real discussion possible with you. When you say to someone he is a nazi, there is a very strong unconscious content in this statement. As long as you won't be able do consider the unconscious content of what you say, we won't be able to really communicate, even though we exchange words. Mr Rawat would say that exchanging words is communicating, I disagree with him. Back To Index -:- Top of Index Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 06:26:51 (EST) Poster: Mr Ex Email: To: Mili Subject: Totalitarian freedom speech (Re: Dear Mili, We are not Nazis!) Message: Now, beside what I (and other people) previously said, anybody saying 'We are just perusing 'freedom of speech' to state our opinions. But wouldn't you agree that 'freedom of speech' on the Internet is also frequently being abused in order to disseminate slander and untruth?' and trying to close an Internet newsgroup has to be considered as having a totalitarian understanding of what freedom is. It is obviously a very common rhetoric that many people use, other people appreciate it for what it's worth. In our case, our autocratic abusive irresponsible alcooholic guru has a lot of responsibility in our misbehavior. I still hold him as responsible. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 15:45:18 (EST)
Poster: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Rick Subject: Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response Message: Mili, In reading this thread I was so sorry to read the debasive insults you used on Mr. Ex. I am just getting a feeling for everyone here through their writings and trying to figure out if some are premies, Christians, ex-premies, or whatever else. I think you were the premie who is also a Christian, I am not sure but if you are one the other or both shame on you for sinking so low. The guy who was so hurtful to VP was I think the same one who wrote something to Katie that I responded to and he came back on me telling me to mind my own business. I think he is a premie to. We should try not to be hurtful. Maybe that is wrong for me to say here and I don't think expressing anger is wrong here either but to make base comments doesn't do anyone any good including the person dishing them out. If you somehow find your comments appropriate I'd be interested in knowing why. Robyn Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 18:14:56 (EST)
Poster: CD Email: To: Robyn Subject: Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response Message: Mili, In reading this thread I was so sorry to read the debasive insults you used on Mr. Ex. I am just getting a feeling for everyone here through their writings and trying to figure out if some are premies, Christians, ex-premies, or whatever else. I think you were the premie who is also a Christian, I am not sure but if you are one the other or both shame on you for sinking so low. The guy who was so hurtful to VP was I think the same one who wrote something to Katie that I responded to and he came back on me telling me to mind my own business. I think he is a premie to. We should try not to be hurtful. Maybe that is wrong for me to say here and I don't think expressing anger is wrong here either but to make base comments doesn't do anyone any good including the person dishing them out. If you somehow find your comments appropriate I'd be interested in knowing why. Robyn Robyn, Debasive insults have been a part of this forum ever since it started. Several of the forum founders are expert insulters. Both sides of the debate have contributed. As you check out the archives you will find quite a few mean spirited words delivered against me. Mili has been a target of strong insults for over a year by now. There has been a lot of unsupported slander posted on this forum in the name of anger. I do not condone misguided insults. I agree that we should try not to be hurtful. But the topics discussed do stir up strong emotions. The best we can do is aim for the positive and be inspired by the source of optimism. Regards, CD Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 18:16:11 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Rick & Mili Subject: Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response Message: Katie, What's this thing about 'shutting down' your newsgroup? I just sent a simple, democratic E-mail to Deja News protesting about what I feel is a newsgroup with a pejorative title that stigmatizes people for their beliefs and practices and attempts to ostracize them from the rest of society. It was up to Deja News to decide what to do about it - I didn't force anyone's hand. Of course you are not Nazis. But I think you should be more conscientious of slapping this 'cult' thing around on people. Dear Mili - The content of your e-mail to Deja News clearly indicated that you wanted them to remove the newsgroup because alt.cult.maharaji was interfering with your and other premies' ability to practice your religion. (This is my recollection - I haven't gone back and dredged up the original e-mail, although I can, if you'd like). Plus you appended a list of "signers" to your petition, which included ME! I am assuming that you got this list of "signers" from the posters on premie.com, and I'm also assuming that you didn't ask their permission, because you didn't ask mine. Thus I can't call your e-mail "Democratic"! It was embarrassing to me. If you weren't trying to shut the newsgroup down, then what were you trying to do? The reason I bring this up is that some of the people who post on here are still angry about what you did. Mili, it's my feeling that you WERE trying to shut the newsgroup down, even knowing that you would be unsuccessful. That's why I titled my post "we are not Nazis"! It seems like you have the heart of a Resistance fighter, but I don't think ex-premies are the right enemy. Regards from Katie Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 18:23:02 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Robyn Subject: Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response Message: Dear Robin - Just so you'll know, Mili isn't one of the Christian premies - he's a premie who lives in Croatia (and is of Jewish descent). I don't like it either when the people on the forum start insulting each other, but it happens. As CD says below, it's not restricted to either premies OR ex-premies. Some of the guys on here really like to hurl insults at each other (that may sound sexist, but I haven't seen any of the women do it yet. I guess that's a possibility). I don't like it very much, but I've learned to live with it. I hope you can too, because I'm glad you're on the forum. Regards from Katie Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 18:29:33 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: CD Subject: Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response Message: Chris - I agree with what you say - see my answer to Robin, below - but I do think that Mili, although he HAS been the target of insults, has given about as good as he gets. I do respect YOUR efforts not to slag other people on here, and your good humour, by the way. (BTW, I hope you're not still mad at John K for saying you sounded like a robot! I don't know John K all that well, but I've known him for a really long time & he is OK.) Katie P.S. I owe you some book reviews. It might take a little while. Here's a recommendation, if you read fiction: "Tex and Molly in the Afterlife". Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 18:38:14 (EST)
Poster: CD Email: To: Katie Subject: Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response Message: >BTW, I hope you're not still mad at John K for saying you sounded like a robot! I'm not and haven't been mad at him. But, he is never around when I want to punch him. >P.S. I owe you some book reviews. Be careful what you say. You might get Jim in a nasty mood. Unless the tequila is still doing its job. Have a good one, CD Robots are persistent Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 18:42:51 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: CD Subject: Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response Message: >BTW, I hope you're not still mad at John K for saying you sounded like a robot! I'm not and haven't been mad at him. But, he is never around when I want to punch him. >P.S. I owe you some book reviews. Be careful what you say. You might get Jim in a nasty mood. Unless the tequila is still doing its job. Have a good one, CD Robots are persistent Dear Chris - Jim and I have an agreement not to discuss you, so I'm allowed to say anything I want! (I hope Jim thinks so too...). But actually, I wish you would call Jim (when he gets back from vacation), or let him call you, and talk for more than a few minutes. He is really pretty nice, believe it or not. This comes across more on the phone than in the forum. You spoke to him for a few minutes, so you know what he sounds like. Just a thought...in the interests of world peace and all that, Katie Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 20:25:41 (EST)
Poster: nigel Email: nigel@recrow.demon.co.uk To: Rick Subject: Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response Message: Perhaps what has been forgotten was Mili's unsolicited use of a long list of email names of his alleged supporters in his paranoid cause, which strangely included our own 'Katie@petkat..' (maybe Jim was right - they are the same person). I would suggest this act alone indicts the milificent one as a premie without moral scruples. (Is 'premie without moral scruples' a tautology?) Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 00:19:44 (EST)
Poster: Iron Email: bb To: CD Subject: man? (Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response) Message: surely you are referring to other names and not the one about you being impenetrably dense. that is niether mean spirited or hurtful or misguided. Think about it, you LIKE the idea of that level of solidity. It can be viewed as a positive feature! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 00:27:26 (EST)
Poster: for Katie and Email: bb To: CD Subject: CD3PO (Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response) Message: no way, katie, cd loves that robot nickname. his job is dealing with cyber robots. I give him the nickname CD3PO. You like that one CD? the D stands for .... and perhaps divine also. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 05:21:19 (EST)
Poster: Mili Email: mili@cheerful.com To: Katie Subject: Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response Message: Katie, I am amazed at your lack of critical thinking - here you have a weird, heavily biased website where you publish a very dubious ‘intervew’, a newsgroup with an emotionally loaded lynch-inciting title and a chat forum where anonymous slanderous statements about a person you have never met and hardly know are systematically encouraged and derogatory qualifications of participating people like ‘brainwashed’, ‘programmed’, ‘idiot’, etc. are tolerated. That’s normal. Yet, when there is a reaction to that - you get upset. Amazing. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 08:58:06 (EST)
Poster: Rick Email: rtaraday@hotmail.com To: Mili Subject: Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response Message: Katie, I am amazed at your lack of critical thinking - here you have a weird, heavily biased website where you publish a very dubious ‘intervew’, a newsgroup with an emotionally loaded lynch-inciting title and a chat forum where anonymous slanderous statements about a person you have never met and hardly know are systematically encouraged and derogatory qualifications of participating people like ‘brainwashed’, ‘programmed’, ‘idiot’, etc. are tolerated. That’s normal. Yet, when there is a reaction to that - you get upset. Amazing. Mili, Can you see the irony of your being permitted to say things like this on this web site, and your action to try to shut down the newsgroup alt.cult.maharaji? Rick Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 09:33:52 (EST)
Poster: Samuel Wilbur Condon Email: To: Mili Subject: Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response Message: Mili said; I am amazed at your lack of critical thinking * a very dubious ‘intervew’ * a newsgroup with an emotionally loaded lynch-inciting title * a chat forum where anonymous slanderous statements about a person you have never met and hardly know are systematically encouraged * derogatory qualifications of participating people like ‘brainwashed’, ‘programmed’, ‘idiot’, etc. are tolerated. * when there is a reaction to that - you get upset. This post is scary. The absence of critical reasoning is not on Katie's side. Not one person here has ever threatened you, not to mention defrauded you (as you have apparently done directly to Katie, and indirectly to others at this site). * Many of the people here have met Maharaj Ji, as has the "interviewee." And now I can see why some of the comments are anonymous, although most of the anonymous posts are from premies. * The word "cult" may or may not be "emotionally loaded," but it is accurate. * They also tolerate you for some strange reason. * You call what you did a "reaction?" How quaint. In the words of Kurt Vonnegut Jr. "... your gears have been stripped." All the best, Sam Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 11:37:00 (EST)
Poster: Mili Email: Mili To: Samuel Wilbur Condon Subject: Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response Message: Mili said; I am amazed at your lack of critical thinking * a very dubious ‘interview’ * a newsgroup with an emotionally loaded lynch-inciting title * a chat forum where anonymous slanderous statements about a person you have never met and hardly know are systematically encouraged * derogatory qualifications of participating people like ‘brainwashed’, ‘programmed’, ‘idiot’, etc. are tolerated. * when there is a reaction to that - you get upset. This post is scary. The absence of critical reasoning is not on Katie's side. Not one person here has ever threatened you, not to mention defrauded you (as you have apparently done directly to Katie, and indirectly to others at this site). * Many of the people here have met Maharaj Ji, as has the 'interviewee.' And now I can see why some of the comments are anonymous, although most of the anonymous posts are from premies. * The word 'cult' may or may not be 'emotionally loaded,' but it is accurate. * They also tolerate you for some strange reason. * You call what you did a 'reaction?' How quaint. In the words of Kurt Vonnegut Jr. '... your gears have been stripped.' All the best, Sam Hey, you gave us a really nice, systematic presentation of your prejudice here. Congrats. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 14:30:39 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Mili Subject: Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response Message: Dear Mili - I'm not going to attempt to argue with you about the Bob Mishler interview or my supposed "lack of critical thinking" anymore. Believe what you want. But I have a few other things I'd like to say. First, I don't think that the forum name alt.cult.maharaji is either emotionally loaded or lynch-inciting title, by the way. Maybe in Croatia, but not in the US or the UK. A lot of premies have posted on there accidentally thinking it was a pro-maharaji site, so obviously it does not appear to be a negative site to some people. You describes this forum as " a chat forum where anonymous slanderous statements about a person you have never met and hardly know are systematically encouraged and derogatory qualifications of participating people like ‘brainwashed’, ‘programmed’, ‘idiot’, etc. are tolerated." I assume that you are talking about Maharaji when you say "a person you have never met and hardly know." You're correct that I, personally, have never met Maharaji except in darshan lines, but many of the people on here HAVE known him personally. Plus many of us believed that he was god incarnate, contributed lots of money to him, and kissed his feet. Most of us believe that gives us the right to express our opinion of him. You and other premies certainly express YOUR opinion of him, even though you have "never met and hardly know" him. you have mentioned several times that the forum and the web site and the newsgroup are biased. Of COURSE they're biased. Just like premie.org was biased TOWARDS Maharaji. The web site and forum were set up by people who received knowledge from Maharaji and had a bad experience. I'm not impartial towards Maharaji and neither is any ex-premie OR premie who posts on the forum. If I'd never had any experience with Maharaji, I might be able to be impartial, but then I could care less about posting on this forum, if you see what I mean. And finally, as you know, the forum is NOT moderated or censored. Therefore anyone, including you and other premies, are allowed to say whatever they want about Maharaji or other participants in the forum. As I recall, you said some pretty nasty things to Mr. Ex in the post at the top of this thread, and I could come up with numerous instances in which anonymous premies have made irrelevant and hateful comments about the ex-premies participating in the forum. I'd personally prefer not to have this kind of insult-slinging on the forum, but I'd rather have it be uncensored and open to all participants. I think most of the other people who post on here prefer this too. That's why "anonymous critical statements" are tolerated, and that's why YOU and everyone else gets to post on here without being censored. Regards from Katie Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 17:08:18 (EST)
Poster: op Email: To: everybody, esp Katie Subject: Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response Message: I would suggest this act alone indicts the milificent one as a premie without moral scruples. (Is 'premie without moral scruples' a tautology?) I find this as heavy an insult as any. Four-letter words and flaming adjectives may cause more sparks to fly, but sharp daggers draw just as much blood. Mili and Jim's sparring has often ended in negotiations and contracts. No such treatment of something I do find rather horrendous: the gratuitous bites that are dropped constantly, almost unconsiously - the taken-for-granted digs and the casual acceptance of derrogatory terms, especially for M. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 19:29:37 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: op Subject: Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response Message: Hi op, I read your message, and am having trouble understanding why you addressed it especially to me. Do you think I am being unfair to Mili? I was only answering his post which was criticizing the forum as a place where anonymous ex-premies could freely insult premies by pointing out that he and anonymous premies has insulted quite a few exes along the way as well. I didn't agree with what Nigel said about premies either. I do like most premies, and I have tried to defend specific premies on here if I feel that they are being picked on unjustly. I won't defend Maharaji, however. I don't have good feelings about Maharaji AND I think that it's important that there be a place where ex-premies can freely express anger towards Maharaji. I know that this is offensive to you, and to other premies, and I am sorry. It's probably like being Chelsea Clinton or someone like that. That is one of the reasons that Brian felt that the introductory post to the Forum was necessary - so premies would know what to expect. Also, premies or other people are welcome to defend Maharaji here if they want to, and many people (as you know) have. Take care, Regards from Katie Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 02:17:52 (EST)
Poster: op Email: To: Katie Subject: Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response Message: Hi Katie: I addressed it to you because you've taken on the role of peacemaker here, and to point out that whereas you often try to make peace among those who are actually duking it out, there's never any mention of those mean-spirited attacks I see so often. In fact, you seem to defend them. These are the sort of thing you often see with siblings - the kick under the table, the pinch while walking BEHIND mom and dad, the hairpulling in the back seat. Almost unconscious, it's an act of hatred aimed at someone you resent being forced into a relationship with. My mother used to have scars on her wrists from scratches inflicted by her older sister. If their parents had wanted to be conscious of them, the sister certainly would have been punished. But unfortunately, these are the sort of wounds that fall into the 'kids will be kids' category. So what if someone takes for granted that ALL premies have no integrity? So what if M is constantly referred to as an alcoholic womanizer? It doesn't matter whether these epithets are true or not, as long as it abates some of the resentment the person using them is feeling. I beg to differ. I think that throwing insults into the atmosphere is just as hurtful as hurling them at a target. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 02:24:41 (EST)
Poster: op Email: To: sorry I forgot something Subject: Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response Message: Katie: I meant to say also - I don't think you're being unfair to Mili. There are plenty of times I think he's pretty off the wall with his sudden angry flare-ups. Not to sound sexist or anything, but I think it's more a male thing, these bursts of passion that carry curses, threats, unspeakable acts of torture. They don't bother me as much as they used to, because they usually are just that: a sudden burst that itself burns off the anger. It's just a good thing that these guys aren't facing off physically, or we'd have quite a few corpses on our hands :-) Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 08:20:04 (EST)
Poster: Scott T. Email: To: op Subject: Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response Message: op: From Mili's comments above, about MJ's driver's impressions of the Guru's dark moods it appears that no level of verification will convince premies that anything negative about Maharaji is anything more than slander. I doubt if these premies would be convinced even if they witnessed something firsthand. At some point your objections just cease to be credible. -Scott Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 09:19:01 (EST)
Poster: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Katie Subject: Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response Message: Katie, Milli and all, I hate to be sexist also and I do, for the record, believe in = pay for = work and joint efforts on the home front but I guess I wouldn't have been so shocked if it wasn't that I thought Milli was a woman's name. I knew Milli was from a place near Greece and Turkey but didn't know where. I love that we are communicating with people from all over and yes I will stay on the fourm, I'll just have to plug my ears! Robyn Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 09:50:07 (EST)
Poster: VP Email: To: op Subject: Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response Message: op, You are right about sudden angry flare-ups.(on both sides) Mili called us "perverts" above. Unless I misunderstood a joke, he also accused another poster above of being a racist because he saw a "dark side" to MJ. I believe this person was speaking of a temperment, not a skin color. (Mili, you have my apologies if I misunderstood your point in that post.) I have nothing against anyone posting on this site (it certainly keeps things interesting to have different points of view) but I don't understand how someone would want and choose to listen to people say negative (and stronger) things about someone that they love day after day. Mouse Murderer made a comment about not hearing any premies on here researching and disputing the allegations that have been made by exs on here. I think that this is a valid point. It seems that whenever someone posts a legitimate experience that they have had (like the MJ driver above) Mili or A premie, or someone else will get on here and react to the poster (flame) rather than tell why the content of what they have posted is false. I have read the posts by premies who tell of their positive experiences with M and they are much more legitimate posts than the ones that are just in there attacking exs. I do have to tell you from an "outsider" point of view (haha) that it does appear that the premies are "unable " to defend MJ rather than just choosing not too. I say this because if I loved someone and others were attacking this person, and I knew they were telling lies I would speak up and dispute the facts, not just say "you are a pervert or idiot for thinking that way." It looks really one-sided here. Mili tells me to do the research. He offers a book and I will look at it. (By the way, unless I have missed something -and I probably did-this is the first piece of positive evidence I have heard about.) I am sure that there are some happy premies out there. I am just saying that he (and others) are going to have to come up with a whole lot more than that to convince others that M is who he says he is. I say to the premies on here, answer the tough questions on here rather than flaming the questioners or ignoring them. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 09:57:58 (EST)
Poster: VP Email: To: Robyn Subject: Robyn, you sexist you, haha (Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response) Message: Robyn, I am not a sexist either, but I also thought Mili was a woman. This medium of communication can be deceiving... Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 10:19:36 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: op Subject: Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response Message: Hi Katie: I addressed it to you because you've taken on the role of peacemaker here, and to point out that whereas you often try to make peace among those who are actually duking it out, there's never any mention of those mean-spirited attacks I see so often. In fact, you seem to defend them. These are the sort of thing you often see with siblings - the kick under the table, the pinch while walking BEHIND mom and dad, the hairpulling in the back seat. Almost unconscious, it's an act of hatred aimed at someone you resent being forced into a relationship with. My mother used to have scars on her wrists from scratches inflicted by her older sister. If their parents had wanted to be conscious of them, the sister certainly would have been punished. But unfortunately, these are the sort of wounds that fall into the 'kids will be kids' category. So what if someone takes for granted that ALL premies have no integrity? So what if M is constantly referred to as an alcoholic womanizer? It doesn't matter whether these epithets are true or not, as long as it abates some of the resentment the person using them is feeling. I beg to differ. I think that throwing insults into the atmosphere is just as hurtful as hurling them at a target. Hi op, OK, I get it now. The problem is that I really DON'T want to be the peacemaker on the site. I agree that I tend to take on that role myself (and I've certainly been flamed for it a number of times!), but I'd like not to be expected to do that at all times and at all occasions. (I don't even have time to read all the posts most of the time.) When I read certain posts I feel compelled to say something, and that's pretty much my guideline for reacting as a "peacemaker" now. It's an emotional rather than a rational decision. I will certainly support you or anyone else if you wish to take issue with someone making blanket denunciations of premies, or so on. Also, I cannot defend Maharaji from charges of being an alcoholic womanizer, because I don't know if he is or not. I think that someone who knows Maharahi (like you) would be better able to convince people that that's untrue, if it is. Also, I don't think that it's OK to hurl accusations if they're not true - that's not what I meant by expressing anger. (For example, if I was angry at you, I would feel that it was OK to say "I am really angry at you, op", but not "OP, you are a #@%$&.") But, as much as I would like it if the people who are on here would express anger in that way, they don't, and I can't take on the responsibility of trying to police the site in that way. I hope you understand this. Regards from Katie Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 17:13:57 (EST)
Poster: Nigel Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: op, Katie et al. Subject: Pretty mild 'insults into the atmosphere' (Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response) Message: Hi folks. I don't really want to get involved in fruitless debates with premies about Mili, morality or anything else, and would be the first to agree that premies are probably o more or less moral than ex's. However: forging signatures IS immoral (IMHO), and M's teachings are amoral. To say premies are 'without moral scruples' may be overstating things, but premies often abandon conventional notions of right and wrong if they feel their actions are serving M or helping their practice of Knowledge. (I could cite many examples from my own past behaviour as well as that of others). I also think you might be a little oversensitive where M is concerned, op . It is, after all, just words - and M is big enough and rich enough to protect himself from serious libel. I believe Durga Ji recently referred to all non-practising premies as 'assholes'. Not terribly pleasant, but then again, not worth losing any sleep over. And, as has been pointed out many times before, if premies don't like what they read here, then no-one is forcing them. Maybe the new 'premie.org' site will have its own forum where the devotees can sing his praises all day long. If so, I for one will have better things to do than try to get that forum's plug pulled, or to even wander by looking for content that offends me (as much of it surely would). Regards Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 17:17:39 (EST)
Poster: Mr Ex Email: To: Scott T. Subject: Re: Katie's Post to Mili and Response Message: Hey ! don't be so pessimistic! It looks like more than 90% of the people who received m's k leave sooner or later. Many of them don't leave because they don't experience anyting in meditation. They see. It takes sometimes time to awake, it's painful, but they leave. Like when you realize that someone you love is cheating you: very painful, but you'll end up breaking that relationship. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 15:18:49 (EST)
Poster: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Everyone Subject: Intitutionalization: begining of the end? Message: I was looking at the archives because I missed checking in Fri afternoon and wanted to see what I missed. A little scary, is this addicting? Anyway I saw a post from bb to me, Robyn, refering to a posting I made about my belief that institutionalizing anything, using a job I had years ago at a home for retarded women which started out small and self sufficent and became an institution feeding itself rather that the women who lived there. He mentioned moving the topic to a thread but I didn't see it here so I thought I'd try getting it started maybe I should paste that post so it makes more sence to people. I'll wait and see what happens with this first. Robyn Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 17:35:15 (EST)
Poster: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Robyn Subject: Re: Intitutionalization: begining of the end? Message: I was looking at the archives because I missed checking in Fri afternoon and wanted to see what I missed. A little scary, is this addicting? Extremely :) ...my belief that institutionalizing anything, using a job I had years ago at a home for retarded women which started out small and self sufficent and became an institution feeding itself rather that the women who lived there I don't know that DLM/EV was ever a benign beneficial institution. These organizations don't just happen. Once you decide to solicit contributions, you have to shelter your money behind an organization. But the decision to 'start' this organization in the first place was made by those who most benefited from it. There is little comparison between providing for people who can't provide for themselves, and providing a means for people to provide for you. Even the ashrams had to pay for themselves, plus send money up the line. There was no cash flowing downward from the top. MJ rolls into town, and it's the locals who have to foot the bill for his gluttony. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 00:43:40 (EST)
Poster: red Email: *:* To: Robyn Subject: er, ah, (Re: Intitutionalization: begining of the end?) Message: go ahead and post that again. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 13:24:07 (EST)
Poster: Seymour Email: To: Everyone Subject: The Borg & King of the Hill Message: Just thought I'd say hello as I have not been around for a while. This week in the U.K. there have been a couple of good shows on T.V. (I know we are probably years behind you lot across the atlantic) One was a repeat of Star Trek in which Picard becomes assimilated into the Borg collective. There were a few good bits of dialogue between Worf and Picard(who had become Lucretus?) along the lines of 'why wouldn't anyone not want to become part of the Borg. It is a step forward towards a great high level of consciousness/ a natural evolution/ a great improvement on whatever level the species to be assimilated is.....' and some quite sensible replies - even from the likes of a Clingon. I seem to remember some old threads on this forum drawing comparissons with being drawn into a cult. The other show was King of the Hill in which the Father wanted to enjoy Haloween with his son but was thwarted by some religious woman who saw it all as a blasphemy and recruited the son into her holy movement which tried to ban trick or treating etc.( He eventually re-joined his father in wandering the streets dressed as a devil) I have only just started watching this - but it looks promising. Has anyone been watching it? Anyway All the best, Seymour Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 15:12:09 (EST)
Poster: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Seymour Subject: Re: The Borg & King of the Hill Message: Seymour, I live in RURAL Pennsylvania and no cable! Imagine. I never cared much for Star Treck, I had a friend, as a kid, who would lock her brother and sister in the bathroom if she was babysitting so they wouldn't interupt her enjoyment of the show. Needless to say I sat still and kept quite. I guess it gave me a Star Treck phobia! I have seen King of the Hill a couple of times if the weather was right and the TV was in the right room and I had nothing better to do that play with the antena for an hour or so. I liked it a lot but not enough to devote all that time and effort to it. Robyn Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 17:21:46 (EST)
Poster: John Cavad Email: To: Seymour Subject: Re: The Borg & King of the Hill Message: Hi, Seymour. I've seen those two shows also (awhile ago). Very amusing, indeed. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 18:38:40 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Seymour Subject: Re: The Borg & King of the Hill Message: Hi Seymour - I just wanted to say hello and that I'm glad you're back on the site (I was wondering about you the other day.) I'm not qualified to comment on TV shows (I haven't watched Star Trek since the original, which I loved by the way!). I'm probably years behind you lot on YOUR side of the Atlantic. We live in the wilds of Missouri and don't have cable TV, so don't get to watch things like "King of the Hill!". Plus we didn't have a TV for four years so we got out of the habit of watching anything but sports, believe it or not. Hope you're doing well. Best wishes from Katie Hope all is going well with you. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 19:25:43 (EST)
Poster: Mickey the Pharisee Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: Katie Subject: Re: The Borg & King of the Hill Message: Gee Katie, I never really liked the original Star Trek, but I really enjoyed 'The Next Generation" because it seemed a little more plausible (yeah, right!) than the original. At least Picard wasn't poking everything in the galaxy, and there were some actual stories which were quite intriguing. My favorite is one where the crew of the Enterprise encounter a race who speak exclusivly in metaphor. Since they (Picard, et al) didn't know the myths and stories on which the metaphors were based, they were unable to communicate! It was thought provoking and probably a more accurate depiction of what may be out there. As for 'King of the Hill,' I didn't think that one needed cable for that, it should be on Fox; it has some of the best writing on TV, right up there with 'The Simpsons.' Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 20:05:12 (EST)
Poster: nigel Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: Seymour Subject: Re: The Borg & King of the Hill Message: Hi Seymour, and yes, King of the Hill is wonderful. I promised you my email address way back, so please note, I now have one. Feel free to make contact as and when. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 22:47:23 (EST)
Poster: Katie off topic Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Re: The Borg & King of the Hill Message: Gee Katie, I never really liked the original Star Trek, but I really enjoyed 'The Next Generation' because it seemed a little more plausible (yeah, right!) than the original. At least Picard wasn't poking everything in the galaxy, and there were some actual stories which were quite intriguing. My favorite is one where the crew of the Enterprise encounter a race who speak exclusivly in metaphor. Since they (Picard, et al) didn't know the myths and stories on which the metaphors were based, they were unable to communicate! It was thought provoking and probably a more accurate depiction of what may be out there. As for 'King of the Hill,' I didn't think that one needed cable for that, it should be on Fox; it has some of the best writing on TV, right up there with 'The Simpsons.' Hi Michael - I've never even seen "the Next Generation" so can't comment. I know the orginal Star Trek is kind of silly and dated (not to mention sexist and low-budget) if you watch it now, but I'm sure you remember how revolutionary it was back in 1967 or whenever. Also, I can tell you live in a metro area of some kind, because out here Fox IS on cable! We live in a cultural backwater, what can I say? (I've never seen the Simpsons either.) Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 00:13:01 (EST)
Poster: gumby Email: mebumby@hotmail.com To: Katie off topic Subject: Re: The Borg & King of the Hill Message: Katie, My vote goes with you. I loved the original Star Trek. Used to watch it daily. After about 1977-8? I have never seen another episode of any of the follow on series. GAGBWY -gumby Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 20:39:23 (EST)
Poster: Mickey the Pharisee Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: Even further off topic Subject: Re: The Borg & King of the Hill Message: Geez, girl, you might as well be in an ashram!:-) Yes, I do live in a major metropolitan area: the San Francisco Bay Area. I watch Japanese TV, too, and my favorite show is "Iron Chefs," a Japanase cooking-game where the hottest new chefs in Japan challenge three of Japan's top chefs (the Iron Chefs). They have one hour to cook at least four dishes using the ingredient of the day (last night it was cucumbers). That's entertainment!!! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 21:10:38 (EST)
Poster: Katie off topic Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Re: The Borg & King of the Hill Message: Geez, girl, you might as well be in an ashram!:-) Yes, I do live in a major metropolitan area: the San Francisco Bay Area. I watch Japanese TV, too, and my favorite show is 'Iron Chefs,' a Japanase cooking-game where the hottest new chefs in Japan challenge three of Japan's top chefs (the Iron Chefs). They have one hour to cook at least four dishes using the ingredient of the day (last night it was cucumbers). That's entertainment!!! Hi Michael - As weird as it seems, I just never really got into watching TV. I read books instead. My parents didn't watch TV much so we had a cruddy black and white set that was hard to watch, and even when I was a kid, I never watched it for very long. I get bored and restless when I watch TV (unless something really great like Star Trek or NFL Football game is on, that is!). I lived in Japan when I was a kid and used to watch Japanese TV there. The only thing I remember is "Chippiko Gang" (Our Gang dubbed in Japanese). BTW I lived in Japan from approximately 1960 to 1962, and could speak and read Japanese (not any more though!). How about you? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 01:33:02 (EST)
Poster: Mickey the Pharisee Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: Katie off topic Subject: Re: The Borg & King of the Hill Message: Geez, girl, you might as well be in an ashram!:-) Yes, I do live in a major metropolitan area: the San Francisco Bay Area. I watch Japanese TV, too, and my favorite show is 'Iron Chefs,' a Japanase cooking-game where the hottest new chefs in Japan challenge three of Japan's top chefs (the Iron Chefs). They have one hour to cook at least four dishes using the ingredient of the day (last night it was cucumbers). That's entertainment!!! Hi Michael - As weird as it seems, I just never really got into watching TV. I read books instead. My parents didn't watch TV much so we had a cruddy black and white set that was hard to watch, and even when I was a kid, I never watched it for very long. I get bored and restless when I watch TV (unless something really great like Star Trek or NFL Football game is on, that is!). I lived in Japan when I was a kid and used to watch Japanese TV there. The only thing I remember is 'Chippiko Gang' (Our Gang dubbed in Japanese). BTW I lived in Japan from approximately 1960 to 1962, and could speak and read Japanese (not any more though!). How about you? I was just playing with you Katie, it's good to read instead of watch TV all the time. I read books, too, must the majority of my reading is required for classes. I lived in Okinawa from 1960 to 1970; I was 16 when I returned to the U.S. I can read Hiragana and some Katakana, but I can't read Kanji. My Japanese is relatively good, but I am no longer fluent; it gets mixed up with my Spanish! Regards, Michael Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 09:52:29 (EST)
Poster: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Re: The Borg & King of the Hill Message: Mickey, Why is it that they ever cooked a cucumber. Yuck!! The first time I had it I thought it was zuccinni and just thinking of it now is turning my stomach! Robyn Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 12:26:02 (EST)
Poster: Mickey the Pharisee Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: Everyone Subject: The Knowledge Session Message: At my Knowledge Session, I argued with Sulakshna (sp?) Bai about the techniques. I said "Of course you'll see light if you press your eyes; of course you'll hear inner sounds if you plug up you ears!" I was told to be quiet and meditate. I think that if I had left the room immediately, I might have saved myself a lot of heartache and pain later, but, being the "open-minded and fair guy" that I was in those days, I decided to give it a chance. My question to the ex-premies is: Did you feel burned when you learned the techniques? Did you feel mis-led? I was expecting something Cosmic, instead I got eyeball squeezing. Enquiring minds want to know! Regards, Michael Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 13:20:31 (EST)
Poster: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Re: The Knowledge Session Message: Micheal, I received K in the Brooklyn ashram that John Cavad talked about in his journey entry which was pretty neat but anyway there was no problem or qualifying for receiving it for me to start with I thought maybe those things started happening later but for some reason I missed so many of the bad things and I'm grateful but the small room was packed with people on the floor and the mahatma whose name I can't remember. I wasn't disappointed at learning the techniques but really only experienced the word. I was following my breath as instructed and not feeling anything but I don't even remember if we were told that we would or not but the mahatma was walking around and when he walked behind me I felt a 4" column of energy racing up and down from the top of my head to the floor. It was in the center of my body not along my spine and so besides giving me that outrageous experience I learned where to concetrate. I never had anything so dramatic happen again but it was wonderfuly undenyable. Also I just saw the usual donuts of color at first but after meditating for 6 months the light started to form symetrical shapes and became quite capturing. I don't know if I would have had similar experiences if I hadn't received K maybe yes and maybe no but I still have things like that happen to me with infrequent regularity and that is what keeps me going in a way. About 1 year ago I had driven about 15 hours in one day getting my daughter back from Conn. and getting lost in the process, not unusual for me, the geographer with no sence of direction. Anyway when I got home and went to sleep I started seeing the road moving along as if I was driving, no biggy I just thought a reaction from the road trip but then it turned into an almost white but with the faintest shade of violet, water lily in a pond and so I relaxed and enjoyed it for a bit and then tried to shake it off so I could go to sleep and it wouldn't go away so I just went with it. I wasn't meditating but I just don't know if things like that happen for me because I did that meditation and it like opened something up in me or if I would have had that and other experiences regardless. Robyn Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 14:07:53 (EST)
Poster: Rick Email: rtaraday@hotmail.com To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Re: The Knowledge Session Message: I was shown the techniques by a renegade premie before I ever received knowledge. I meditated a little and didn't experience much. I kept going to satsang during this time and was repeatedly told that I didn't really receive knowledge; that the techniques without m's grace wasn't knowledge and wasn't the real experience. I felt pretty guilty, like I had cheated because I was so anxious to get knowledge. I went to L.A. and went to m's residence and spoke to an initiator. I can't remember her name but I think she was the only American initiator at the time (from Idaho or Ohio I think). She scolded me pretty good and dressed me down. Told me that those who received knowledge from somewhere other than m, would suffer for 25 incarnations because of it. I was pretty freaked out. I went back and listened to satsang every night for a year, and then received knowledge. I wasn't dissappointed in the techniques, per se, because I already knew them. But in reality, the highs that I had experienced in satsang, as an aspirant were never passed after receiving knowledge. The great kabong never really happened, but I was in so much denial, and so desperate, that I pretended that it did. I think underneath I thought there might have been something wrong or flawed with me, and that that was why I wasn't experiencing the big K like I should. Or I thought that maybe, I didn't really receive K properly. Like maybe something had gone wrong and I didn't get zapped properly. I did experience some moments and short periods of something nice, in meditation, after receiving the "real" knowledge. But mostly I suffered from stuffing my thoughts and feelings down, as I took the stupid advice of maharaji and the intiators. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 14:42:08 (EST)
Poster: VP Email: To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Re: The Knowledge Session Message: Good post! Some on here will say that my input isn't valid because I never had a knowledge session. Anyway,I was also expecting something cosmic after all of the long build up that I had been given about what K was. It was very disappointing to finally practice the techniques after reading them on this site. It was also very liberating and it reinforced the deep feelings of doubt that I had all along so I think it was a very good thing from that standpoint. The experience of K itself was disappointing. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 17:47:20 (EST)
Poster: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: VP Subject: Re: The Knowledge Session Message: Well, no wonder you were disappointed! Everyone knows that you can't be a real virtual premie without practicing Virtual Devotion to the Ex-Lord. What you do, see, is get yourself a picture of Maharaji and put it in your room (a little altar with flowers is a plus). Then you sneak in there sometimes and close the door and sit in front of it. Meditate for a while, and ignore that urge to scratch your itches (and you will have them). Squirm around some. Feel guilty about it. Wonder what Maharaji is doing now. Wonder if he even knows you're alive. Stop wondering like that! Feel guilty about that. Try to meditate some more. And don't scratch. Then decide you've meditated enough. Sneak back out of the room. Feel good about yourself. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 17:54:00 (EST)
Poster: CD Email: To: VP Subject: Re: The Knowledge Session Message: Good post! Some on here will say that my input isn't valid because I never had a knowledge session. Anyway,I was also expecting something cosmic after all of the long build up that I had been given about what K was. It was very disappointing to finally practice the techniques after reading them on this site. It was also very liberating and it reinforced the deep feelings of doubt that I had all along so I think it was a very good thing from that standpoint. The experience of K itself was disappointing. VP If you send me an email I will send you a private email response to your post. Mention your new guitar model in the email. And I don't mean Silvertone. CD CDs Email: webmaster@cdickey.com www.cdickey.com Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 00:35:21 (EST)
Poster: cyber Email: *:* To: CD Subject: cop (Re: The Knowledge Session) Message: careful cd3po, it's still against the rules to play instructor. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 01:48:16 (EST)
Poster: v Email: *:* To: cyber Subject: p (Re: The Knowledge Session) Message: well virtue l lover, Your life is not a technique, some odd ducks like to feel thier breath most the time. I'm one of them. So for me, the debate over 5 minutes or 15 minutes that we had here is bizarre. you can 'look inside' to find the omnipresent thing, but that is also bizarre. Your ears hear the sounds of life. What inside tops crickets? You can marvel at your bodies features with your concentration. Some say we are supposed to try and find our true happiness 'inside' because bad times might come and everything else is vulnerable to crumble. Well, look at a known expert, for all that type of advice, maharji was devastated by his mom's death and he was not insulated in the least. You can't escape human nature and life's little realities. Some say the way to lose the ego hold on you is to adore a guru. A true guru mind you. And I don't suppose humility to god can accomplish that. Regular people are so vulnerable to mistakes and regrets that I don't think for most people long term solidly ego based living is a real problem. Most people are basically good. The reactions of others keeps ego in check for most people. You might be in trouble if everyone around you treats you like god or something, what will keep you in check? Famous people, political folks, rich people, priests, ect, they many times are surrounded by people who fawn over them, who put them on a pedestal, and the person on the pedestal many times gets out of whack as a result. Got to be careful in life! Knowing we are all built with the same features and accepting our equality where we are equal can keep that ego thing in check also. Some say the guru can break the ego hold briefly, but not kill the spirit. Doesn't a movie do that? I think someone dying can do that to you the same. How do you kill air anyway? That blabbermouth paul said way too much but he did come out with this one. 'We drink of the same spirit.'(breath) I was willing to hang in there because, I thought reality was that someone that was different was here. My mistake. It was extremely costly. Anyway, you can put emphasis in many varied things with similar results. If you love living, and have some enthusiasm, all the rest is style. I think. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 10:31:56 (EST)
Poster: lg Email: To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Re: The Knowledge Session Message: Michael I was a little disappointed of the techniques myself, not because I thought I was going experiencing something cosmic, because other premies already warned me that I should not have these expectations. I just find the techniques silly. I decided to give it a try, and I knew I was going to do a better job at concentrating in the privacy of my own appartment. I have found that there is some value to Holy name: the technique which you concentrate on the movement of the breath, but I found not much values on the other 3, especially "light or nectar". M.'s satsang was the most valuable at the time. I got deprogrammed from my catholic and also bible upbringing, and let go of a lot of old beliefs. I remember, when I was letting go of those believes in my mind, a lot a time I was experiencing those cosmic experiences you talk about. Concerning Holi name technique, a few times I experienced a very powerful energy. I get blissed out and energyzed for the day, but since this is not permanent, it is not very practical. Is it!!! These days, I prefer to be conscious of my own needs, and work at what I want in my life. The satisfaction of having created what I want, is much greater and indeed much more permanent than any hard to attain cosmic meditation experience. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 14:40:39 (EST)
Poster: VP Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: The Knowledge Session Message: Brian, Ha! Ha! Thanks for that insight. Now I can avoid the whole thing. I will definately have to pass on the picture of M. Flowers are nice, though! Fondly, VP Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 15:10:19 (EST)
Poster: VP Email: To: ** Subject: Crickets, children laughing, waves on the shore (Re: The Knowledge Session) Message: **, You wrote "Your ears hear the sounds of life. What inside tops crickets?" I hear you loud and clear. VP Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 15:15:04 (EST)
Poster: VP Email: To: CD Subject: E-mail (Re: The Knowledge Session) Message: CD, I appreciate your offer, but you know me and E-mails! (At least for now) I am considering getting an anonymous E-mail address and if I do you will hear from me then. Did someone say they were available through rocketmail? VP Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 16:54:17 (EST)
Poster: Scott T. Email: To: VP Subject: Re: Crickets, children laughing, waves on the shore (Re: The Knowledge Session) Message: Hi: Believe it or not, in my K session I heard flies buzzing, a jet taking off, and a long sustained note on a "stratocaster" (i.e. the kind of guitar played by Hendrix, etc.). Of course I also heard crickets. I've always been able to see and experience an extraordinary light show inside, within about three minutes. I get exhausted trying to keep up with it though, and I get a headache after about 20 minutes. -Scott Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 20:21:13 (EST)
Poster: Anon Email: To: Scott T. Subject: Re: Crickets, children laughing, waves on the shore (Re: The Knowledge Session) Message: Hi: Believe it or not, in my K session I heard flies buzzing, a jet taking off, and a long sustained note on a 'stratocaster' (i.e. the kind of guitar played by Hendrix, etc.). Of course I also heard crickets. I've always been able to see and experience an extraordinary light show inside, within about three minutes. I get exhausted trying to keep up with it though, and I get a headache after about 20 minutes. -Scott That's strange. In my knowledge session I distinctly heard the unmistakable twelfth fret harmonic of the B string, when struck with the finger nail of the index finger of the right hand, of a 1961 Gibson Flying V.(through a Marshall 100 Watt Amplifier at volume 6.5) Is it not a remarkable coincidence that this too was a guitar that was played occasionally by the late Jimi Hendrix? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Mar 16, 1998 at 10:01:13 (EST)
Poster: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: v Subject: Re: The Knowledge Session Message: If you love living, and have some enthusiasm, all the rest is style. I Love this- it is going to become my new screen saver! Thanks Robyn Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 12:24:09 (EST)
Poster: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Everyone Subject: Screwing with the forum Message: I just spent long hours trying to get the last archive to compile. The problem was finally determined to be Subject fields that were way longer than I had expected when I wrote the archiver. I had limited the length of the Name, Subject, Email, and To fields on the Start Thread form, but I overlooked the fact that Paradise places no limits on their auto-generated Reply forms built into the Read form. Someone had packed non-message fields with too much content in their posts. The archiver repeatedly crashed my computer when I ran the archiver through it. I couldn't see the problem in the 484 posts that I had to wade through, and finally had to increase the buffers in the archiver to allow for whatever was choking it. The only reason I didn't block the offender right away is that I spoke to Katie on the phone and she calmed me down some. But she wasn't able to return the time that I wasted trying to 'fix' something that never needed to be broken. In the short time remaining when we're forced to use this forum server, use some judgement in what you do with these forms. If you don't have to quote the entire message, don't. Check the NO button when asked if you want to quote in your reply. Use the form fields for their intended use. Please don't use the FONT commands. This forum exists to express ourselves, but keep in mind that someone has to maintain these posts. That someone is me, and I take a dim view of people tinkering with what normal adults leave alone. Especially when it costs me time that I could better spend on the new forum which won't allow stupid actions. Gawd, I hate Paradise. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 12:35:25 (EST)
Poster: And On Anand Ji Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com To: Brian Subject: Re: Screwing with the forum Message: I just spent long hours trying to get the last archive to compile. The problem was finally determined to be Subject fields that were way longer than I had expected when I wrote the archiver. I'm sorry, Brian. I didn't know my actions would crash anything, or create work for you. I did know it was a possibility. I didn't think it was a probability, however. Please don't call me stupid -- I was playing. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 15:01:41 (EST)
Poster: VP Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Screwing with the forum Message: Brian, Thank you for all of the hard work maintaining the site. You are doing a great job! VP Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 17:22:57 (EST)
Poster: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: And On Anand Ji Subject: Re: Screwing with the forum Message: I'm sorry, Brian. I didn't know my actions would crash anything, or create work for you. I did know it was a possibility. I didn't think it was a probability, however. I have to scratch my head when I see people benefiting from something and yet showing a willingness to risk losing it for themselves and everyone else. If there is a possibility that you could wipe out posts, why is probablility even considered? Please don't call me stupid -- I was playing. It's rickety. We all know that. Don't lean on it. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 18:00:20 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: And On Anand Ji Subject: Re: Screwing with the forum Message: Please don't call me stupid -- I was playing. Hi AOAJi - Brian didn't say you were stupid - he referred to your actions as being stupid. (I am assuming that you may have some emotional baggage related to being called stupid or dumb - I certainly do!) Anyway, doing a stupid action is totally different than being stupid. I don't think anyone on here thinks you are stupid, and I think many of the people on here have done or said things on the forum that turned out to be dumb, or mistakes, or just plain stupid. I'm not sure if you were on the forum before Brian took it over, but he is turning around the archives in an amazingly fast amount of time - usually a couple of hours. Any posts that diverge from the norm (not in content, but in fonts, or long titles, or things like that, just make archiving harder. If we weren't into saving all the posts, then it wouldn't matter, but most of the people who post here like to have the archives to refer to. Hope things are OK. Regards from Katie P.S. By the way, I understand where you're coming from when you say that you would like to have fun, and to play. And also, I know what you mean about premies in the seventies who were really serious and sanctimonious! I was lucky enough to hang out with a group of people who were my age and younger. It took as an hour to drive to satsang and we really cut up on the way there and back! Some of the things we did were so silly that they still make me laugh. Of course we acted totally serious and devoted WHILE we were at satsang. If you didn't have premiefriends like that, it truly must have been a relief meeting Bill Burke. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 18:28:27 (EST)
Poster: CD Email: To: Katie Subject: Re: Screwing with the forum Message: And On Anand Ji - Brian didn't say you were stupid - he referred to your actions as being stupid. Anyway, doing a stupid action is totally different than being stupid. I don't think anyone on here thinks you are stupid, and I think many of the people on here have done or said things on the forum that turned out to be dumb, or mistakes, or just plain stupid. Katie, I don't have the best self control so I did this post but I will hold my tongue on this one - G. Cheers, CD Robots are good at games Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 18:32:44 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@Mail.trib.net To: CD "Mr. Robot" Subject: Re: Screwing with the forum Message: What?! And anyway, how do you know I wasn't talking about YOU?! Best wishes, Katie Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 20:19:56 (EST)
Poster: And On Anand Ji Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com To: Katie Subject: Re: Screwing with the forum Message: ] From: Katie ] Sat Mar 14 1998 at 18:00:20 (EST) ] . . . doing a stupid action is totally different than being stupid . . .Burke was great -- and I appreciate the gesture of your post (as referenced above). Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 23:30:25 (EST)
Poster: Scott T. Email: To: VP Subject: Re: Screwing with the forum Message: Hi: Truth is, I probably would have pfutzed around with the fonts if I had known how. I considered it, but figured I didn't have time to figure out how to concentrate on form at the expense of content. Not noble. Just lazy. -Scott Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 07:52:20 (EST)
Poster: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Everyone Subject: Clean Slate Message: Be sure to expire your visited links. Netscape: Click on Options on your top Menu Select General Preferences Select Appearance Click on Expire Now to expire your links. Internet Explorer: Click on View on your top Menu Select Options Select Navigation Click on Clear History to expire your links. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 12:01:53 (EST)
Poster: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Everyone Subject: Archive Online (Re: Clean Slate) Message: The last archive is now online. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 12:18:48 (EST)
Poster: Mickey the Pharisee Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: Brian Subject: Re: Archive Online (Re: Clean Slate) Message: Brian, you are doing a wonderful job!!! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 12:25:36 (EST)
Poster: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Re: Archive Online (Re: Clean Slate) Message: Thanks, I needed that. It's been a tough morning... Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 12:28:35 (EST)
Poster: Mickey the Pharisee Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: Brian Subject: Re: Archive Online (Re: Clean Slate) Message: You have been incredibly efficient in compiling archives and re-setting the Forum everyweek, and I just want you to know that your efforts are appreciated. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 13:07:03 (EST)
Poster: Seymour Email: To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Re: Archive Online (Re: Clean Slate) Message: I have not been around for a while but it is nice to tune in and find everything still up and running. I would like to add my appreciation, Brian - you are a diamond geezer. I don't know how you have the patience and perseverance. The problems that you describe sound worse than Greek to me and I am supposed to be a professional analyst/programmer. Well done. Cheers Seymour. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 15:32:56 (EST)
Poster: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Brian Subject: Re: Archive Online (Re: Clean Slate) Message: Brian, I am not sure how this web site is operated and maintained. Are you the "man"? What an undertaking. Thank you, even if you don't do it alone you apparently do a lot and I have a feeling for little or no money so that would mean from the goodness of your heart. Thanks again. Robyn Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 18:05:05 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Robyn Subject: Re: Archive Online (Re: Clean Slate) Message: Hi Robyn - I should probably let Brian answer this, but he tends to be too modest. He does almost everything on the web site, including archiving the forum, writing programs for our new improved forum (coming soon), designing the site, and writing content. I help him a little, mostly writing a few things and providing a listening ear. He does it all out of the kindness of his heart (he doesn't get paid, in other words). P.S. Not sure if you read the archives but I definitely did appreciate you sticking up for me yesterday! I don't feel like you were trying to be a referee, or butting in, or whatever. Thanks! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Mar 14, 1998 at 23:47:06 (EST)
Poster: Scott T. Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Archive Online (Re: Clean Slate) Message: Brian: Thanks for all of your effort to keep this Forum up and running, even if you do make me afraid to quote Julie Andrews... Katie told me where you are from. I grew up in a small town about 70 miles west of Spokane. -Scott T. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Mar 15, 1998 at 08:35:09 (EST)
Poster: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Scott T. Subject: Re: Archive Online (Re: Clean Slate) Message: even if you do make me afraid to quote Julie Andrews That sentence looks pretty bizarre just standing alone there [grin]. Scott had written me email when Paradise crashed during his attempt to post with the subject field containing a 4-syllable word. I of course chastized him mightily for feeding that sort of extreme content into the Paradise server, and warned him of dire consequences if I ever found him feeding lyrics to Julie Andrews songs into the forum. [And, yes Scott - I did mean the 'super' word.] Katie told me where you are from. I grew up in a small town about 70 miles west of Spokane. Spokane probably boasts about being only 70 miles east of the the big city :) Back To Index -:- Top of Index |