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Date: Sun, Jun 22, 1997 at 08:08:55 (EDT)
Poster: Brian Email: To: Everyone Subject: Puzzles and Word Games Message: I've been reading the 'Inner Peace' posts below, if only to mark them 'read'. The assumption is that 'someone' hid something out in plain sight for those of us curious enough to discover. Fiddle with it long enough and we just might stumble over the answer. But there is a difference between discovering something on your own, and sharing that information with others. In my experience (the E word again), what I discover via my own curiousity and questing is really none of anyone else's business. I only look for what interests me, not because I'm trying to garner the acclaim of having discovered some hidden truth. I figure any hidden truth is hidden for a purpose - from me, and from others likely to look for it. I don't know the reason, but if something is hidden in the first place (and having seen what people are capable of doing to each other), I prefer to not share what I find. I've seen what happens when people talk about their experiences with others who haven't had them - yet or ever. All these 'great religions' are based on sharing what you know. All may have started with good intentions. All of them have done damage to people - real or imagined. I
believe that MJ is a fraud. I'll continue to voice that opinion
and my reasons for it. Not everyone shares that belief, I know. I
see a value in Knowledge that I'm not going to dispute, but I'm
still going to warn others about the trappings of belief that MJ
wraps himself comfortably in. I'm not trying to discourage people
from posting what they believe here, but I also know that some
might draw that conclusion. It's easy to attack another person's
posts with your own discoveries. I'm going to avoid that as long
as the subject isn't MJ-related. Let's just say that what I know
is only known with 99% certainty. Lacking that 1% verification, I
will keep my beliefs to myself. If I ever gain that verification,
I will still keep it to myself, since people still have to make
their own discoveries in order to appreciate them. Let's just say
I respect the Universe's (or whatever) right to hide any way it
wants, as long as it wants. It probably has good reasons not to
have trusted me in the first place :)
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Date: Sun, Jun 22, 1997 at 11:45:05 (EDT)
Poster: bb Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Puzzles and Word Games Message: excellent that helps me out I was waiting for anon to weigh in and give an overview and it was you instead. anon may have 2 cents more of course. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 22, 1997 at 14:07:27 (EDT)
Poster: Bobby Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Puzzles and Word Games Message: You're entitled to your opinion. I feel differently. I'm into sharing information about personal experiences, especially personal spiritual experiences. This is not a process of one-upmanship but an exploration of the ranges of human and spiritual experience. I continue this project with my Sacred Transformations web page and I continue this project with "Telling Our Stories", an opportunity for people who have been through the mental health / mental illness system to speak their story, their personal experience. In my opinion we live in monolithic times, times where reality is largely shaped by megalithic/monolithic corporate structures. In the fields of mental health / mental illness, treatments are often forced on people, quite often against their will. People are made to conform to "reality" as set forth in the psychiatric bible the DSM-IV. I believe reality to be multidimensional. Ranges of experience are multidimensional as well. Most people are afraid to speak their experiences for fear of censure or appearing weird. In my opinion, most if not all of us experience anomalistic, inexplicable, "weird" experiences. Rhea White calls these EHE's or Exceptional Human Experiences. Those interested can view what she has to say through links on my Sacred Transformations page. Counter to the fundamentalist CSICOP (Committee for Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal), with their house organ *The Skepical Inquirer*, is CSICON (Committee for Surrealist Investigation of the Normal). They offer $10,000 to any "normalist" who can produce a "perfectly normal person, place or thing -- or even an ordinary sunset. Or average day." Screw the reality police.
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Date: Sun, Jun 22, 1997 at 17:09:01 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Bobby Subject: Re: Puzzles and Word Games Message: You're entitled to your opinion. I feel differently. I'm into sharing information about personal experiences, especially personal spiritual experiences. This is not a process of one-upmanship but an exploration of the ranges of human and spiritual experience. I continue this project with my Sacred Transformations web page and I continue this project with 'Telling Our Stories', an opportunity for people who have been through the mental health / mental illness system to speak their story, their personal experience. In my opinion we live in monolithic times, times where reality is largely shaped by megalithic/monolithic corporate structures. In the fields of mental health / mental illness, treatments are often forced on people, quite often against their will. People are made to conform to 'reality' as set forth in the psychiatric bible the DSM-IV. I believe reality to be multidimensional. Ranges of experience are multidimensional as well. Most people are afraid to speak their experiences for fear of censure or appearing weird. In my opinion, most if not all of us experience anomalistic, inexplicable, 'weird' experiences. Rhea White calls these EHE's or Exceptional Human Experiences. Those interested can view what she has to say through links on my Sacred Transformations page. Counter to the fundamentalist CSICOP (Committee for Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal), with their house organ *The Skepical Inquirer*, is CSICON (Committee for Surrealist Investigation of the Normal). They offer $10,000 to any 'normalist' who can produce a 'perfectly normal person, place or thing -- or even an ordinary sunset. Or average day.' Screw
the reality police.
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Date: Sun, Jun 22, 1997 at 18:14:17 (EDT)
Poster: Bobby Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Puzzles and Word Games Message: Jim says: Bobby, is there really such a blunt sense of humour out there? I'd like to know,'cause if I ever have kids they'll need to be warned. You don't like the skeptics because they question your sand castles. Hey, man, it's called building inspection. Lighten up a bit. I've
got kids. Two of them. You don't.
You are telling me to lighten up a bit? You are one of the most arrogant, slanderous people I have ever met. You are not inerested in hearing what others have to say, you are interested in supporting your sandcastles by misappropriation of language and refusals to consider other views than the narrow window available through your steel engirdered blinders. Examples of your obfuscations spill throughout your spewings on this board. You are irritating me again. That's
all I have to say to you.
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Date: Sun, Jun 22, 1997 at 19:25:44 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Bobby Subject: Re: Puzzles and Word Games Message: Jim says: Bobby, is there really such a blunt sense of humour out there? I'd like to know,'cause if I ever have kids they'll need to be warned. You don't like the skeptics because they question your sand castles. Hey, man, it's called building inspection. Lighten up a bit. I've got kids. Two of them. You don't.
You are telling me to lighten up a bit? You are one of the most arrogant, slanderous people I have ever met. You are not inerested in hearing what others have to say, you are interested in supporting your sandcastles by misappropriation of language and refusals to consider other views than the narrow window available through your steel engirdered blinders. Examples of your obfuscations spill throughout your spewings on this board. You are
irritating me again. That's all I have to say to you.
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Date: Sun, Jun 22, 1997 at 22:24:43 (EDT)
Poster: Bobby Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Puzzles and Word Games Message: You don't like the skeptics because they question your sand castles. Hey, man, it's called building inspection. Lighten up a bit. Your words here evade and obfuscate the sense of what I stated. Your tactics remind me of courtroom dramas. Your evasions and obfuscations of issues others raise are the same tactics you so gleefully accuse other of. You do this all the time on this forum. I can really
understand how people get so upset at lawyers. You embody the
stereotype. You use word games that go for the jugular. You don't
really care about "reason". You like to play head games that
insult and demean. You don't care about "truth". You get your
rocks off messing with people's minds.
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Date: Sun, Jun 22, 1997 at 22:37:37 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Bobby Subject: Re: Puzzles and Word Games Message: You don't like the skeptics because they question your sand castles. Hey, man, it's called building inspection. Lighten up a bit. Your words here evade and obfuscate the sense of what I stated. Your tactics remind me of courtroom dramas. Your evasions and obfuscations of issues others raise are the same tactics you so gleefully accuse other of. You do this all the time on this forum. I can really understand how people get so upset at
lawyers. You embody the stereotype. You use word games that go
for the jugular. You don't really care about 'reason'. You like
to play head games that insult and demean. You don't care about
'truth'. You get your rocks off messing with people's minds.
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Date: Sun, Jun 22, 1997 at 23:03:08 (EDT)
Poster: Bobby Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Puzzles and Word Games Message: Yeah. I guess. Sorry. Well I'm yawning too. We won't be seeing eye to eye on very much at all. I'm done talking with you. It's really interesting how you inspire me to anger. However, I do realize the anger is in me. I really wish you no harm. You're an exercise for me on the nature of my own mind. I seek to cultivate compassion. I'll just let go of the word games. May you find your answers.
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Date: Sun, Jun 22, 1997 at 23:10:08 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Bobby Subject: Re: Puzzles and Word Games Message: Yeah. I guess. Sorry. Well I'm yawning too. We won't be seeing eye to eye on very much at all. I'm done talking with you. It's really interesting how you inspire me to anger. However, I do realize the anger is in me. I really wish you no harm. You're an exercise for me on the nature of my own mind. I seek to cultivate compassion. I'll just let go of the word games. May you find
your answers.
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Date: Mon, Jun 23, 1997 at 05:47:00 (EDT)
Poster: Bobby Jim and Jimmy Bob Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Puzzles and Word Games Message: OH YEAH? YEAH! OH YEAH?
OH YEAH?
OH YEAH?
OH YEAH?
OH YEAH?
OH YEAH?
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Date: Mon, Jun 23, 1997 at 14:14:21 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: Bobby Subject: Re: Puzzles and Word Games Message: I also find that Jim is good at bringing out a bit of anger. He does have
some good points and can inspire you to become a better debater
and reflect on certain emotions and beliefs if you respond to the
exchange in those directions.
I tend to think that his most
negative feelings about Maharaji are a reflection of his mind
games.
I am curious if he is any good at playing the guitar. CD
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Date: Mon, Jun 23, 1997 at 16:15:46 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Puzzles and Word Games Message: I also find that Jim is good at bringing out a bit of anger. He does have some
good points and can inspire you to become a better debater and
reflect on certain emotions and beliefs if you respond to the
exchange in those directions.
I tend to think that his most
negative feelings about Maharaji are a reflection of his mind
games.
I am curious if he is any good at playing the guitar. CD Chris, I'm an okay guitarist. Sometimes our band is great. This weekend they called us awesome. Games? You,
dear friend, are the game player. I've asked you a bunch of
questions that you've ducked and dodged. If you call what I've
done 'game playing' then I'd ask you to send me the Chrisspeak
glossary for once and for all and we can leave this English shit
behind.
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Date: Mon, Jun 23, 1997 at 21:46:12 (EDT)
Poster: Anon Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Puzzles and Word Games Message: I am curious if he is any good at playing the guitar. Why.. Do you think that ones musicality suffers if you stop practising? ! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 23, 1997 at 22:07:20 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Anon Subject: Re: Puzzles and Word Games Message: I am curious if he is any good at playing the guitar. Why.. Do you think that ones musicality suffers if you stop practising? ! A good funny for Anon! How 'bout that?
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Date: Mon, Jun 23, 1997 at 22:41:55 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: Anon Subject: Re: Puzzles and Word Games Message: Jerry Garcia claimed that he practised 8 hours a day. What good is practice anyway? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 23, 1997 at 22:55:45 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Puzzles and Word Games Message: Next year after the bandwidth increases we can duke it out with an on-line guitar duel. Maybe I will set up a guitar dueling server on NT using the upcoming NetMeeting server. If everybody gets a miniature video camera we can even make faces at each other on-line. CD
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Date: Mon, Jun 23, 1997 at 23:05:54 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Puzzles and Word Games Message: Jerry Garcia claimed that he practised 8 hours a day. What good is practice anyway? Funny (sorry Bobby,
cosmic) you should mention him. He was my first idol. I
worshipped Garcia before the word Deadhead. It was years before
I came to admit that a) he was just a guitar player and
not somehow preternaturally wise, and b)good, sometimes great,
but probably not the best. In fact, I had to admit at some show
in the late '80s, the Dead could actually bore me. Sound
familiar? Kind of?
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Date: Tues, Jun 24, 1997 at 12:38:54 (EDT)
Poster: Brother Andrew Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Puzzles and Word Games Message: If I believe I have inner peace - and tell someone - I'll no doubt be called a craphead Will
that disturb my inner peace?
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Date: Tues, Jun 24, 1997 at 21:09:52 (EDT)
Poster: Brian Email: To: Brother Andrew Subject: Re: Puzzles and Word Games Message: If I believe I have inner peace - and tell someone - I'll no doubt be called a craphead No doubt about it. I'd even bet you've been thrown out of enough of MJ's programs, for calling him just that, to know what you're talking about. Will that disturb my inner peace? How could it not? But take comfort in knowing that you probably earned it. Besides, what do those skeptics know, anyway? It's not like they've ever kissed MJ's feet on their way up his anatomy, right? Ignore em. As an aside: You're spending far too much time
around that Eddie Haskell. Really, Beaver! 'Craphead'?? Now,
there's just no need for that kind of profanity.
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Date: Sat, Jun 21, 1997 at 20:48:53 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Everyone Subject: We are not Alone! Message: I dropped in on the ex-SYDHA Yoga site (Guru Mayi) and chuckled at the parallel issues that abound. One, the cancelling of darshan, was worth showing you guys. First, this (from a SYDHA announcement in December, 1996): 'Darshan is no longer
going to be a regular or expected part of the siddha yoga
programs, commencing with
Do this experiment: see in
how many ways the guru's help comes to you. Really do this
experiment. You will
Then, the ex-sucker commentary: 'So what's going on? Why has she
stopped giving darshan? Darshan has been an intricate part of
siddha yoga
The reason's given
relate to "divine direction" of which we have no knowledge of
what that means, just that is
Maybe she can't tolerate all those people pulling at her
anymore in darshan. Maybe it's simply become too much
And of course I would expect that her darshan's for
pay will continue. If you give enough money you will have
The
whole purpose I thought of having a living guru was to receive
person to person direction, to help keep
Is this the beginning of the end? Only time will tell. Until then, keep the faith.' OP? Chris?
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Date: Sat, Jun 21, 1997 at 23:32:48 (EDT)
Poster: Brian Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: We are not Alone! Message: Thanks, Jim. That is too funny! I was in the wrong cult, evidently. How come we didn't have an 'Amrit and the 4 star rooms'? I like the part about devotees only being allowed darshan when the chair is empty. Cosmic Catch 22. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 22, 1997 at 01:10:46 (EDT)
Poster: birk Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: We are not Alone! Message: Wow what a hoot! We are definately
going to be led if we dont lead ourselves. She wont be a large
historical messiah because she doesnt have the drive to bust from
the pack and go big time international, and unless she has the
knowledge shes not really equipped like the other messiahs.
Also, she is a woman and like the pope says---
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Date: Sun, Jun 22, 1997 at 02:06:06 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: We are not Alone! Message: Jim, Yes, parking in New York City can be a bitch. I really only do cabs. The strip club across the street from Letterman's theatre does have those special star rooms that you have to pay extra for. You would like the place now that you are not so repressed. Of course an empty chair does you no good. Do you like a big kilbosa with dripping mustard? Does legal analysis and courtroom jousting give you that special release you deserve? You may not be compatible with other varieties of ex's. Be gentle. Jackie O's might be your style. Take care. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 21, 1997 at 12:23:44 (EDT)
Poster: You Gotta Email: Scotts world To: all knowing godhead Subject: Love That Khrishna! Message: Arjuna is in a battle field and his friends and relatives and lots of innocent people are lined up ready to fight to the death. Arjuna comes to his senses thank god and starts to cry and says I am not going to start this insanity over some mundane worthless goal. Well lo and behold
his charioteer starts to talk.
So Arjuna starts the battle and a 5,000 year old religion is born. Excuse me for complaining but god is a really strange power.
No matter what religion you look at it is loaded
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Date: Sat, Jun 21, 1997 at 14:22:01 (EDT)
Poster: Scott: Email: To: Tom Subject: Re: Love That Khrishna! Message: Earn Extra Money Working from Home, Part-time or Full-time: - Could you use an extra $500 to $1,500 this month? Would you like to earn $100,000 or more a year? We work from our homes and earn incredible incomes! - This opportunity can work for you too! The work-at-home messiah business is part of a $400 billion a year industry. There are plenty of eager disciples awaiting you. Your movement will have unlimited growth potential. We'll teach you! We'll show you! You will love it! They will love you! - Simply mail a check for $150 US to the: S.B.E.D. Fund (Sucker Born Every Day Fund)
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Seriously Tom, maybe M.'s meditation does come with a few
thrills attached. Still, as long as M. is out there telling
folks that they owe him their whole lives in exchange for his
half hour of meditation instruction, I don't find myself being
very thrilled by the whole deal.
From the Guru Puja 1972 Shri Hans
Productions magazine pg. 12:
- Now, was Knowledge really free, or did it come
with hidden strings attached? The strings of indebtedness and
obligation that we were all told we must recognize and accept,
even before we were allowed to recieve Knowledge. To me,
spirituality is great, but only so long as the old profit or
power motives are completely, absolutely, unquestionably removed
from the picture.
Sincerely, Scott
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Date: Sat, Jun 21, 1997 at 14:57:29 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: You Gotta Subject: Re: Love That Khrishna! Message: As you can tell by most of the pictures Jesus was not like Krishna. He was a mellow surfer dude. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 22, 1997 at 07:45:26 (EDT)
Poster: berk Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Love That Khrishna! Message: Did you ever notice that in the movies about Jesu, the lead characters and directors never knew how to make yeshua look? His eyes were always like he smoked hash recently, or spaced out or otherworldly, never like a happy guy who liked being here. He is always acting and looking like he is just putting up with this place because his father? needs him to be here to be sacri Hmm, I feel a thread coming on Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 22, 1997 at 12:10:20 (EDT)
Poster: bb Email: To: Scott Subject: Re: Love That Khrishna! Message: Thats interesting, your probably right. What a process! At least things happen quickly here. What a resource! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 3, 1997 at 10:13:10 (EDT)
Poster: Mili Email: To: Scott: Subject: Re: Love That Khrishna! Message: This is just to show you that a different interpratation is possible than your usual cynical one. You are not just being cynical, though - you are being so ham-fisted and insulting that you do not even deserve this response. Anyway, suppose, even theoretically, that all us thousands of non-ex people DO feel relief, inspiration and even extreme pleasure, bliss through the means that Maharaji offers. Suppose people consider his work worthwhile and his incessant touring a boon, a blessing in their lives. Now, it's obvious even to a child if he is touring and spending all his time and energy in doing what he is doing, that he can't be working shifts in some factory at the same time. Well, just suppose people feel that it is worthwhile to support his cause, and even support him physically - on a strictly voluntary basis. What's wrong with that? Why should that bother you? I mean, I could understand your resentment if someone told you that you were obliged to support him. But why should you mind someone else personally donating their time or money if they felt like it? If it's not bothering the person who is donating, and it's not bothering Maharaji, why should it bother you? You know, his not accepting my gift would actually be offending me were I to offer it. Now, this was just a simple little non-offensive explanation that I just gave you, and it need not even correspond to the actual events (though, I am sure it pretty much does). The point is, if he is busy flying around the world seeing premies and giving people hope of fulfillment in life and the means thereof , he doesn't have the time to punch a clock in somebody else's office. He is punching his own clock in his own office working overtime all the time, and he should get a decent salary for it. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 3, 1997 at 11:18:14 (EDT)
Poster: Mili Email: To: Scott. Subject: Re: Love That Khrishna! Message: Actually, in the first book of the New Testament, there even Jesus says, call no man on Earth your Father, for you have only one Father in Heaven. Still Maharaji used to revel, (and may still do so), when we used to call him 'Father' in Arti. Personally, I tend to guess that it was probably the people after Jesus that fucked up the church. But with M., it looks to me like things are already pretty screwed up while the guy is still alive. - The earliest practice of Buddhism was also a purely personal thing that didn't revolve around the Buddha. The earliest teachings there were all about personal and mental discipline and spoke nothing about the need for a 'perfect master'. - Likewise with Judaism, if not more so. Moses, the one we credit with founding Judaism as it has survived to this day, was never worshiped in any way. (Still isn't.)
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Date: Thurs, Jul 3, 1997 at 18:14:35 (EDT)
Poster: Mili Email: To: Scott Subject: Re: Love That Khrishna! Message: This is just to show you that a different interpretation is possible than your usual cynical one. You are not just being cynical, though - you are being so ham-fisted and insulting that you do not even deserve this response.
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Date: Fri, Jun 20, 1997 at 01:24:36 (EDT)
Poster: Michael Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: Everyone Subject: Telling our children Message: I am new to this site, and I have not yet finished reading all the archived messages, but I am wondering how many of the visitors to this site have adolescent or young adult children, and how do you explain your time with the DLM to them? I have a daughter who just graduated from High School last week, and another daughter who is just turning sixteen. I have been honest with them about drug experimentation and lots of other things, but I really get embarassed when I talk about my time with DLM and Maharaji. I have warned them about being prey to cults, and I have really tried to encourage them to use their minds and reason, but I'm never really sure if it gets through to them. How do the rest of you deal with this situation? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 20, 1997 at 07:01:51 (EDT)
Poster: Brian Email: To: Michael Subject: Re: Telling our children Message: I was a non-custodial parent. My ex-wife received knowledge before we were married. Neither of us has told the kids about our experiences, as far as I know. Me, because of lack of opportunity to be around them as they grew and now their off on their own young-adult adventures. So I'm not qualified to talk on the subject from the parental side. But I know from the child side by heart. If my parents, or some other 'concerned' relative, had taken the time to attend satsang with me and looked at what I found to be so attractive, they might have helped me to put it into some perspective. I had my doubts all along about MJ, but 'his' credibility was my own life-force. A timely observation from someone might have pointed that out to me, and helped me discount one while appreciating the other. Maybe there's
nothing you can ultimately do to save people steps around
possible problems that they find in their lives. But taking
enough personal interest in what they actually think and feel
would be a great first step. We probably all went to our most
important 'someone' at one point and described our experiences to
them. My 'someones' just looked at me like I was crazy, and it
might be contagious.
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Date: Fri, Jun 20, 1997 at 12:04:39 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Michael Subject: Re: Telling our children Message: Michael, what kind of relationship do you have with your kid that you can't expose the whole sublimely ridiculousness of it all to her? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 20, 1997 at 13:20:07 (EDT)
Poster: Michael Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Telling our children Message: My relationship with my daughter at this point is at the 'almost everything Dad says is probably stupid' phase, which will probably play out in a few years. I just try to keep communication open. I also realize that she needs to find her own path and learn somethings for herself, but, like most parents, I want to save her the trouble, even though learning things on my own was an important factor of my own maturation. She presently claims to be a Pagan (very big thing here in Berkeley) but she really doesn't know too much about it. I have talked with the kids about DLM and cults in general, but you never really know how much of it gets through. I'm interested in learning how others deal with this because it will help my own understanding. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 22, 1997 at 12:23:46 (EDT)
Poster: bb Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Telling our children Message: boy you are hot stuff Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 23, 1997 at 06:45:05 (EDT)
Poster: Brian Email: To: Michael Subject: Re: Telling our children Message: In thinking about this some more, I came up with some ways to help your certain avoid falling victim to cults. These methods work best if started when the kids are older, say about 16 years old: 1) Encourage them to show you 'proper respect' by loving them only in proportion to the amount of respect that they show you. 2) Speak to them only if and when you choose, and always from your Easy-Boy Recliner. They should be seated on the floor at the time for maximum effect. 3) Sell them videos of yourself speaking at length on the topic 'What You Owe Your Parents'. Encourage them to watch these constantly. Withdraw your love if they don't. 4) Re-write the 14 verses to Arti and make the kids learn them by heart. Each night, and every morning, permit them to sing this to a picture of yourself that you have placed on the Easy-Boy. 5) Make sure that they develop proper nutritional habits by feeding them only lentils and yogurt. On special occasions, you can vary the menu - perhaps yogurt and lentils. 6) Encourage them to help around the house by assigning them simple chores to do. Example: approach them in the evening and demand that the house be repainted by dawn. 7) Insist that they help spread this philosophy by bringing their little friends home to help. This will certainly increase their popularity at school. 8) Show them the rewards of their efforts by purchasing as many expensive items as you can possibly think you might ever need. Buy 30 or 40 at a time, and purchase them on time-payments. 9) Promote self-reliance in them by insisting that they each hold down a few after-school jobs, and allowing them to pay all of the household bills each month. 10) Quit your job. Parenting is a full-time
responsibility.
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Date: Mon, Jun 23, 1997 at 08:48:10 (EDT)
Poster: Bobby Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Telling our children Message: Ha-ha-ha..... Now there's a man that
understands parenting!
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Date: Mon, Jun 23, 1997 at 18:27:01 (EDT)
Poster: Michael Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Telling our children Message: Great advice, Brian! I wish I had thought of that! Now, my only question is, should I wear a three piece suit or see if I can rent an Krishna outfit? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 24, 1997 at 02:00:13 (EDT)
Poster: Tom Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Telling our children Message: The first time I read it it was funny then it was sobering then it hit my memory banks 1) Insist on ultimate respect then dont love them at all. have your wife doubt that you love her. Have her doubt it all the time. 2)Blast them if they piss you off. get pissed off over nothing. Yell at people like no one else can. Insist that it does them good. even in 96. 3)Discover the definition of sincerity in 96 and try to speak without pretense and deciet. Better late than never. 4)discard arti but dont discuss that it is not true with your true believers. Let them spend another decade thinking its basically true. Or longer! 5)come from a vegetarian country but dont tell anyone about combineing rice and beans and vegetables. Let decades go by. Say you dont care what they eat. let the true believers slowly figure it out to escape thier own death. 6)Have them work 5 days without sleep. 7)Have them build all thier human relationships around bringing them to you. Thereby makeing them completely out of touch with thier own real personality. 8)have thier only desire besides devotion be to make you the 2 billion you want. 9)provide them an opportunity to feel guilty that the wifes medical bills eat up the divine donation allotment. 10)Use very strong language to discourage them from having children. Dont let them know you disavow previous comments --IF you have changed that opinion. Amazingly, after writing this I am still going to ny I guess I'm of two minds about this.
Unless I wake up to another view, I want the knowledge
available to my neighbors, because its of value, but god does not
really give much priority to people finding out.
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Date: Tues, Jun 24, 1997 at 22:46:55 (EDT)
Poster: tom Email: To: Tom Subject: Re: Telling our children Message: You are delusional, you are so intwined after 24 years that you need a break. Stick with the feeling and blot out the whole god arena. Stop going to the mens breakfast and let your friends go to ny. Graduate yourself from your focus on god and just feel your way through your remaining time. recognise the mercy and help that comes your way, and notice all the things that are going for you. Just smile at lifes fun and blot out all the shit. You have dedicated yourself to everyone else always. Be selfish and do what you like and dont try to help everybody. Give it all a rest and retire from obligation. You have the knowledge and you understand it and now just be free. Its graduation time for all the other students and now since no one else cares enough about you, I will graduate you officially now. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 24, 1997 at 23:49:05 (EDT)
Poster: Tom Email: To: tom Subject: Re: Telling our children Message: Ladies and gentlemen, mr. webmaster, mr. satan, mr. buddha, saint chris, op the gopi, richard the tonguemaster, the brainy brit, the interpretive dancer jw, mr.'i will miss that of course' brian, mr. bag, and the divine ms.D. Thank you for coming, I mean being here. In starting out fresh today I leave behind all my memories
Now the free
living begins. Embraceing my breath, I mean diploma, I venture
forth slightly wasted from the examination process.
tom@rocketmail.com the password is truthreigns
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Date: Wed, Jun 25, 1997 at 00:00:39 (EDT)
Poster: tom Email: To: Tom Subject: Re: Telling our children Message: It's a new day! It's a new dawn. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 19, 1997 at 05:14:38 (EDT)
Poster: Scott Email: To: Everyone Subject: What if you don't like the new look? Message: Just in case you might have logged onto this site and said to yourself, 'Cute, but now I just have more junk cluttering up my screen', there is still hope for you. Click on the new 'Help' button and read through the stuff and you'll see what I mean. - Scott
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